Your advice, please, about an offer

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Last year I charged $97 for the recordings from my No-Hype Copywriting Telesummit. Attending the live sessions was free.

This year I would like to charge $97 as an early-bird rate for the recordings from last year AND this year. Attending the live sessions will again be free.

My question for you is, to the people who bought last year's recordings for $97, might the deal in the previous paragraph be perceived as unfair? Should I give the people who bought last year's recordings this year's for free or for $7 or $17 if they buy by a certain date?

Or am I being silly to worry about what people who bought last year will feel about this year's deal?

Thanks for your input on this.

Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author KreativCopy
    Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post


    Or am I being silly to worry about what people who bought last year will feel about this year's deal?
    I suppose it is a bit like going to a store and seeing something you bought for full price in the latest sale...personally it does irk me.

    I don't think you are being 'silly' to worry about the people who bought last year...these are potential repeat customers...you know...the whole 80/20 rule.

    Taking care and providing value to the customers you already have is key to successful business imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    I'd give a discount to people who bought last year's, because they don't need last year's recording again.

    Maybe try $47 as the discounted price.

    If people found value in your first recording they'll believe there's value in the second.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      How about just offering the current year's recording for $97.

      For the early bird bonus you could include a PDF or audio summary of the biggest takeaways from the previous year's recordings.

      The new customers would get the best info from the year before. The returning customers would get a nifty reference to their last purchase so they don't have to review the entire recording.
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  • Profile picture of the author angiecolee
    The 97 offer sounds like a great one for the new buyers, especially if you frame last year's recordings as a bonus.

    I agree with incentivizing your previous customers, but I don't know that I'd cut nearly 50% off to do so. There's gotta be some better way to add value than drastically affecting your earnings.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      Thank you, everyone for your comments. Even the post that seems to have misunderstood what I was proposing was helpful in clarifying how to handle this.

      This is what I'm thinking now.

      The cost of this year's recordings will be $97. If you order before [DATE], however, you get not only this year's recordings but a complete set of last year's as well.

      After [DATE], you'll have to pay $47 extra to get last year's recordings along with this year's.

      Then I send a separate mailing only to people who bought last year's recordings that if they order this year's recordings before [DATE], they can get them for only $47 instead of the $97 everyone else is paying.

      Do you think that will head off any perceived unfairness in the pricing?

      I just don't want the folks who bought last year to think they're being cheated.

      Thanks again,
      Marcia Yudkin
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
        Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

        Then I send a separate mailing only to people who bought last year's recordings that if they order this year's recordings before [DATE], they can get them for only $47 instead of the $97 everyone else is paying.

        Do you think that will head off any perceived unfairness in the pricing?

        I just don't want the folks who bought last year to think they're being cheated.
        Just thinking out loud...

        But if people bought the recording for $97 last year... and this year's recording are totally different, why discount them at all?

        Sure, you could give them $10... or even $30 off - if they order before a certain date, but if the value's there and you had little or no refunds last year, then it's just a matter of reiterating the value they received...

        And how much MORE value they'll be getting.

        What are the biggest benefits people have reported impacting their business... and life?

        What about owning the recording, so people can listen to them again and again, will help customers keep learning new techniques and insights?

        How are you personally getting value? Share your story... and keep elevating the perceived value - when you send out the email.

        Then charge was feels good to you.

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  • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
    Marcia, here's my opinion:

    As a prior customer, I would interpret your offer of last year's package as a bonus as still relevant but dated.

    As we know, everybody wants the most up-to-date info.

    So I see no problem in making the offer.

    Now, that's not to say someone won't complain. How you handle them is up to you.

    I like your idea of making prior customers an exclusive one time offer for the upcoming program.

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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      But if people bought the recording for $97 last year... and this year's recording are totally different, why discount them at all?

      Sure, you could give them $10... or even $30 off - if they order before a certain date, but if the value's there and you had little or no refunds last year, then it's just a matter of reiterating the value they received...
      Good points. No refunds at all last year, no complaints from anyone who purchased.

      I expect people who attended last year but didn't buy the recordings to snatch up the $97-for-both-years offer this year. Maybe that offer will go by email only to those who attended last year and new people won't even see that offer. That would heighten the perceived value of the offer even more.

      Again, all the comments have been helpful. Thank you.

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      • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
        Your prices seem low to me for the value you must give. Who's the target market?
        Target market is working copywriters at a beginner to intermediate level as well as people who write their own copy - all of whom care about being honest and authentic.

        Four of the five speakers this year will be Sean D'Souza on storytelling in copy, Karon Thackston on SEO copywriting, Peter Bowerman on voice, me on metaphor - and one more I'm in the process of nailing down.

        I haven't seen anyone charging more than $97 for a summit of this scope on craft rather than direct money-making skills/info. Have you, Jason? For this project my strategy is to price middle-of-the-road-ish and sell more units. Maybe next year I can "up-level" the event.

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        • Profile picture of the author RickDuris
          Originally Posted by marciayudkin View Post

          Target market is working copywriters at a beginner to intermediate level as well as people who write their own copy - all of whom care about being honest and authentic.

          Four of the five speakers this year will be Sean D'Souza on storytelling in copy, Karon Thackston on SEO copywriting, Peter Bowerman on voice, me on metaphor - and one more I'm in the process of nailing down.

          I haven't seen anyone charging more than $97 for a summit of this scope on craft rather than direct money-making skills/info. Have you, Jason? For this project my strategy is to price middle-of-the-road-ish and sell more units. Maybe next year I can "up-level" the event.

          Marcia Yudkin
          Marcia, I sincerely believe you could get more. At least double.

          Your offer needs to be structured differently. But it's doable.

          I hope you do well with it.

          Good luck!
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  • If you got people to pay $97.00 for something that was free - you did very well.

    Even better your people must love you.

    If the sales were good - I don't see any great need to change anything (maybe a price bump, just show this years increased value).

    Maybe one more thing...

    Some might be a touch peeved that they have to pay again.

    "Dammit I missed the free seminars twice in a row!"

    You could make them feel appreciated and a touch better and give them a bonus.

    Could be a transcript of the seminars - so they have the written details.

    Which are always useful.


    Steve



    P.S. Even if its the people "on" the free seminars who also buy the recordings - giving them the transcripts won't do any harm. It's difficult concentrating on the speakers and taking notes at the same time.
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    Met Peter last year, very cool dude. I credit him with inspiring me to launch my career.
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    • Profile picture of the author NickN
      Originally Posted by angiecolee View Post

      Met Peter last year, very cool dude. I credit him with inspiring me to launch my career.
      Same. Specifically, <i>The Well-Fed Writer</i>The Well-Fed Writer . (No affiliation.)

      It's not the most in-depth copywriting book.

      And it focuses a little too much on cold calling for my liking.

      But it really opens your eyes to the enormous success you can achieve in the copywriting industry and gets you in a "Hell Yes, I Can Do This!" mindset.

      I would recommend it to anyone considering a career in freelancing copywriting.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hrwoye
    I would recommend one price for new buyers and discount for does who have already bought last year.
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  • Profile picture of the author max5ty
    Sounds to me like you're putting absolutely no value in last years recordings.

    Didn't the people who bought last year have a whole year to put into use what they discovered? And didn't by putting into use what they discovered help them become more successful, which allowed them to earn more money? They had a whole year to earn more than those who didn't have the recordings.

    The ones who didn't buy last years recordings are a year behind in their success.

    You'll only ever be able to charge as much as the value you build.

    Those that bought last year and discovered the value will be happy to buy again this year. Most, if the recordings were helpful, would even pay more.

    Business doesn't thrive on new customers. They make their living off repeat customers. You have some repeat customers...work them.

    I'd charge even more for this years recordings and charge the same for last years (at the very least).

    You probably have lots of testimonials from last year to build even more value in this years stuff. Plus, with the testimonials, you could probably even charge more for last years stuff since it became so popular.

    If what you're doing is valuable, quit being passive. Tell me the great things you've got...and how they're even getting better.

    Bottom line, at the very least, I'd charge more for this year and sell last years at the same price. After all, a lot from this year probably builds on last year.

    If you want to do early bird bonuses or something, I'd make it something else besides last years recordings. Don't demean the value of the recordings.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewRHallEsq
    Including last year's information might be a good way to justify a price hike.

    Something like, "Last year's price was $97. This year it's even bigger yadayada...$297! I know it's a price hike, so I'm including last year's information (still great!) as a special gift, plus all these other bonuses..."

    (Please spend more time on your copy than those lines I just crapped out, but you get the idea!)

    Increasing the size of your offer allows you to charge more, esp. if what you're offering is really good. I don't know any great copywriting trainings that are less than $500, let alone $97.
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    • Profile picture of the author marciayudkin
      Thanks again for all the advice in this thread.

      I finally have the official lineup for the (free) telesummit, which takes place in early November (2nd Annual No-Hype Copywriting Summit | Peter Bowerman, Sean D'Souza, Karon Thackston, Vickie Sullivan, Marcia Yudkin), and what I decided to do about the recordings is to charge $97 for the 2014 recordings, $97 for the 2013 recordings and there's an early-bird special of $127 for the 2013 and 2014 recordings combo. That will go up to $147 after the early-bird deadline and probably up to $167 or $177 after the conference.

      I'll probably do this one more year, after which time I'll rebrand the recordings and pitch them separately from any reference to a telesummit. Hopefully they will age well!

      Thanks again,
      Marcia Yudkin
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  • Profile picture of the author rudi
    It's as Simple as this, last years information is last year. The new seminar from this year should be bringing something fresh and new therefore warrant the price tag.
    You could offer customers from last year as discount to get this years. But make sure it is fresh and new or they will have something to say about it.
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