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Unread 6th February 2013, 06:30 PM   #1
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Default Is WorldWide Brands worth the $299 membership fee?

I am a web and graphic designer that freelances through my design agency, and I am looking at ways for generating some passive income. I have decided to look into setting up and automating some online stores that use dropshipping, as I want this to be as automated as possible. As I am well versed in web design, branding, marketing, etc, I feel like if I can get a number of these stores up and automated it could make for some nice passive income when I have downtime from my agency.

Currently, I am in the research phase and am just wondering about some of dropshipping/wholesale directories, and what ones are generally looked upon favourably and what ones are not. Being in Canada, I'm hoping to find some quality Canadian dropshippers, and WWB seems to be one of the main ones that offer Canadian hubs.

Is the $299 fee worth the membership, or are there better/cheaper alternatives? I'm interested in hearing some experiences with these guys and also maybe hearing some of the alternatives that I could look into.

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I would like an answere to that question as well.

Also, their is another WSO that you can search and have a look at it. Its a blue print of sorts for doing just what your doing... Search "The Four Hour Millionaires"...
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Default Re: Is WorldWide Brands worth the $299 membership fee?

It is actually much better to do some research and then contact companies directly.

WorldWide Brands gets recommended a lot because they pay a nice commission. From their affiliate page:
How much can you earn?

For every single sale, generated through your unique affiliate id, we will pay you 25% of the price of a Worldwide Brands Membership!

So you could earn up to $74.75 for just making one sale!

You can make even more money recommending the Affiliate Program. Our 2nd Tier Affiliate program pays you 10% of every sale generated by Affiliates who have joined through your unique affiliate link!
Here is one thing I can tell you from experience:
If you go in communication with a manufacturer they are very often more than happy to dropship for you. Most of the time they do not bother to list this.


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Default Re: Is WorldWide Brands worth the $299 membership fee?

Yeah in the additional research I did after making the thread, I would have to agree with you.

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All of these sites, programs, memberships and so forth suffer under the same problem. All the members get the same access, so how do YOU make money if everyone is on the same cost structure? Well, most just lower their price to next to nothing margin. That's no way to run a business.

Take your $300 and save it. As other posters suggest, find a market segment, look for manufacturers and find some who will drop ship. You will likely get better pricing and won't have as much competition. Better yet, find an offshore manufacturer and import it. Only then will you really be able to make money! As they say in the eBay world, you make your money when you BUY, not SELL (meaning, get low cost product and make money).

I am looking for affiliate sellers and/or drop shippers in the furniture market place. We offer a line of products for what I call the LL Bean and Cabelas demographic. We have wine racks, hope chests, smaller kindling wood boxes, small book cases and gun cases. Prices range from $100 to $1,500 per item and we pay a 10% commission (affiliate or drop ship). We are launching in a week or two. Please PM me for details and sign up.
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It is actually much better to do some research and then contact companies directly.

WorldWide Brands gets recommended a lot because they pay a nice commission. From their affiliate page:
How much can you earn?

For every single sale, generated through your unique affiliate id, we will pay you 25% of the price of a Worldwide Brands Membership!

So you could earn up to $74.75 for just making one sale!

You can make even more money recommending the Affiliate Program. Our 2nd Tier Affiliate program pays you 10% of every sale generated by Affiliates who have joined through your unique affiliate link!
Here is one thing I can tell you from experience:
If you go in communication with a manufacturer they are very often more than happy to dropship for you. Most of the time they do not bother to list this.


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200% truly said.

I also suggest to contact manufacturer directly this is because you get products at cheap rates and they are often happy to dropship for you under your name.The only thing they are looking for is the sales of their product anyhow
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Although I am both a lifetime member and affiliate of Worldwide Brands, you will not find an affiliate link within this post.

I simply wish to post my thoughts about some of the comments made above and why a WWB membership may or may not be for you.

In regards to the high affiliate payout, since when is there something wrong with being paid to recommend a good service? That is what most of the commentors are doing on a daily basis, if they are involved in affiliate marketing.

As to the $299 price - I do not wish to turn this into a sales pitch but I would strongly suggest that you take a long look around WWB's website and first, without spending any money you will find they are a very valuable resource to help you learn what works and what doesn't in the world of dropshipping. If you cannot find value in the free stuff they have posted there then you probably should not buy a membership.

I have known the owner almost from the time he started the business when the directory used to be available on a CD Rom disk. My business was presented with many directories to review in the hope we would offer it among the other B2B resources we offered at the time.

I always did a test of the directories to see how valid the listings were - all but WWB's failed terribly -- I tested 25 listings out of the WWB disk at the time and ALL tested as being current and valid.

WWB is also an eBay certified solutions provider, something that most, if not all other similar directories out there cannot say about their services.

To everyone stating that you should just call manufacturers and you will find them waiting with baited breath to work with you - here again, what is your time worth??

WWB offers a directory of suppliers that have been vetted and who have to abide by certain rules WWB dictates in order to stay posted within their database - a database which is updated on a regular basis with new suppliers.

Yes, you can find companies that will dropship for you, but again what is your time worth and if there is enough value in having new suppliers vetted for you on a regular basis, then there is value in the $299 one-time membership fee - remember it is one time.

In addition to the database of dropship and light bulk suppliers they also have many other resources that help you determine if an item is worthwhile selling, as well as other resources that you can see for yourself.

In closing my comments, I would simply again re-emphasize the value of their site, whether you purchase a membership or not - use it in your research, it will be of great assistance to you. Then decide if you wish to use your time researching various manufacturers, then calling those manufacturers, and doing everything that WWB has already done for you, then by all means skip buying a membership, but remember time is money!

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All of these sites, programs, memberships and so forth suffer under the same problem. All the members get the same access, so how do YOU make money if everyone is on the same cost structure? Well, most just lower their price to next to nothing margin. That's no way to run a business.

Take your $300 and save it. As other posters suggest, find a market segment, look for manufacturers and find some who will drop ship. You will likely get better pricing and won't have as much competition. Better yet, find an offshore manufacturer and import it. Only then will you really be able to make money! As they say in the eBay world, you make your money when you BUY, not SELL (meaning, get low cost product and make money).
redlegrich knows what he is talking about. Not only do you pay $299 for the privilege of becoming a customer, but you get nothing exclusive, you simply join the crowds all trying to sell the same products and competing on price alone.

If you do some original thinking you will see that the advice given by redlegrich to find an offshore manufacturer and import the product is when you can really be able to make money. Just ask yourself: "Where do the wholesalers buy from?" Answer: From the manufacturers. "Where do dropshippers buy their products from?" Same answer.

But importing is horribly complex and requires lots of capital doesn't it? NO! That is what the wholesalers (and other importers) want you to think. I have shown in my book that it is ridiculously easy to import, and you can buy direct in small quantities if you want to.

I just wish I could charge $299 for my book instead of the $50 that I now get paid. Yes, it does help people to quickly and safely find reliable suppliers. It does show where to locate absolutely any product you could imagine and many that you would never think of otherwise. What it does not do is limit your choices.

To learn safe overseas sourcing and how to buy small (or large) quantities at best prices visit: Import Direct from China - How to Avoid the Middleman Learn to find genuine manufacturers and negotiate small orders at prices way below what wholesalers charge. Written after my health enforced retirement and provides insider information from veteran with experience exporting 1978-1987 importing since 1987 Learn to import the easy way
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Thank you, that's good information that makes sense.
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I just got an email from World Wide Brands in response to a product analysis that was off the chart--they checked it out, re-analyzed it for me and explained the entire process of demand, competition and sellability with some great insights. And all within the same afternoon.
I have been a member for over 4 years and use it very often when I get an idea to brainstorm. Their analysis tool helped me dump some bad ideas and found sources of drop shippers for the good ones.
You can spend much more than the membership price on time wasted looking on your own or you can have the suppliers at your fingertips. Best thing is, there is never any other fees!
My suggestion is to ask those who are members if it is worth it than to have speculation from those who have never owned/used it before.

Wholesale/drop ship tutorials--LEARN HOW and where to get drop shippers
http://www.storkandveil.com/wholesale-drop-ship-info/
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You can spend much more than the membership price on time wasted looking on your own or you can have the suppliers at your fingertips. Best thing is, there is never any other fees!
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I agree with Julia about the potential for time being wasted. If you just start searching the Internet not only will it take many hours of wasted time, but you will probably not have any assurance that you are dealing with the actual manufacturer or that it is a reliable business.

However, if you have proper guidance as outlined in my book you can go straight to the handful of sites that I know from 22 years experience can provide access to multitudes of reliable suppliers who are the real manufacturers, and you can find virtually any product you could ever dream of. You are not limited to the same product range that you will see over and over again on places like eBay, where you will have to cut margins to the bone to compete.

Direct importing in small or large volume is ridiculously easy when you know how and I can show you how. There is no need to learn the rules and regulations.

P.S. There are two product sourcing sites with identical names, except that one of them is hyphenated. One site is completely safe, but the other is not. How will you know the difference? There is another site that is advertising heavily, and as a result people believe it must be OK, but I would warn against using it. How do you know which ones to trust?

To learn safe overseas sourcing and how to buy small (or large) quantities at best prices visit: Import Direct from China - How to Avoid the Middleman Learn to find genuine manufacturers and negotiate small orders at prices way below what wholesalers charge. Written after my health enforced retirement and provides insider information from veteran with experience exporting 1978-1987 importing since 1987 Learn to import the easy way
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Buying into a product where they 'do the research for you' is never a good idea.

They are NO experts. Especially since the markets move all of the time.

Let me illustrate this point with a personal story I'm sure I've told before.

I remember when I was in college I was roommates with a fellow that was really smart in his department. Worked for a professor in research, was on scholarship, etc. So it was no surprise when he got a cushy job working for a huge stock brokerage firm.

Then one day we were talking and he said HEY! You should check out THIS stock... It's AWESOME. I just bought xxxxx number of shares - and you should buy into it as well. I mean, I'VE DONE A TON OF RESEARCH ON IT and it is going to do AWESOME.

So what did I do?

I bought it. A lot of it. After all, he was smart - and did ALL OF THE RESEARCH FOR ME.

Years later, and being stubborn, It was the biggest dog in my portfolio, losing 90 percent of it's worth.

Dumb.

It would have been better for me to DO THE RESEARCH MYSELF and EDUCATE MYSELF on the company, the markets, the valuation, etc.

Being suckered in by promises of how much you WILL make is a red flag.

This one is my favorite:

"This is a product, and this is how much it WILL sell for!" (Then they quote an MSRP)

I roll my eyes so hard it gives me headaches for weeks.

Is it worth it?

Not a shaved-naked Weiner-dog's chance in Antarctica.

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Just Google "Alibaba"
They are a HUGE wholesale connection company. You will be put in contact with over 2 million suppliers in a nanosecond (ok, maybe 2 or 3 full seconds, but you get the point).

Then you can sell on Amazon and use Amazons fulfillment service and bank.

I know, I should flesh that out into 7 pages and sell it as a wso. But oh well.

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I agree with Julia; ask those who are actually members if it is worth it or not. It's not the be all and end all but it is a great tool, as long as you know it is only a tool, and treat it as such, it is worth it. And yes I do have a membership.
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Just Google "Alibaba"
They are a HUGE wholesale connection company. You will be put in contact with over 2 million suppliers in a nanosecond (ok, maybe 2 or 3 full seconds, but you get the point).

Then you can sell on Amazon and use Amazons fulfillment service and bank.

I know, I should flesh that out into 7 pages and sell it as a wso. But oh well.

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Why not try them and see for yourselves. After reading this post I looked up Alibaba and searched for leather jackets. The second VERIFIED supplier I looked at had some nice looking ladies' leather jackets at a very good price.

Then I read the fine print. They are NOT LEATHER. They are "PU Leather." For those who don't know much about leather, PU is polyurethane. It is plastic, not leather. In the EU, USA, Canada, Australia, and many other countries, if you dared advertise such products as leather you would be in big trouble.

The point is that you must do your research, whatever product you want to buy and sell, and you must research the seller also. There are simple ways to do your own verification, but that is another story.

There was one small matter missing from Patrick's post. It is the gap between finding the supplier on Alibaba, and selling on Amazon. I am frequently helping out people who have started the buying process without knowing what to do next, so I teach them how easy it is to handle the importing process. Sometimes they turn to me too late and they have incurred huge unnecessary costs.

Just one more thing - when you search on places like Alibaba, how do you know if you are dealing direct with the manufacturer or with a wholesaler who has added a margin to the manufacturer's price? In my 22 years as an importer I have only ever dealt direct with the manufacturer and that is where the big profits are.

To learn safe overseas sourcing and how to buy small (or large) quantities at best prices visit: Import Direct from China - How to Avoid the Middleman Learn to find genuine manufacturers and negotiate small orders at prices way below what wholesalers charge. Written after my health enforced retirement and provides insider information from veteran with experience exporting 1978-1987 importing since 1987 Learn to import the easy way
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You mean to tell me that if I contact a supplier and ask them if their item is 'Authentic' and they tell me it is --- they could be lying?

And you mean to tell me that I can contact someone who is a 'verified' supplier and they can be terrible?

You mean to tell me that people can tell me to buy their products and I can be profitable because they have 'done all the research for me?


Man........... Looks like we should actually know what we're talking about before we contact suppliers --- including pricing, markets, authenticity, etc...

Who woulda thunk?

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In the UK, we have esources dot co.uk and it's more or less the same as WorldWide Brands. Unfortunately from what I've heard from friends who are members of both, you could easily find the list of suppliers/wholesalers yourself by searching on Google. The market research tools within the members areas are a joke, either not working or giving out wrong information. When you send out messages to the suppliers, you are very unlikely to hear from them and if your lucky to get a response, the wholesale prices are cheaper elsewhere. The members area look great and the sales pages for both companies are powerful but once your in, it goes horribly wrong.

My advice is to do your research to find products to source from Google and local wholesalers in your area.
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That goes for suppliers who are 'Authorized eBay dealers' and try to sell you that they are great to work with on eBay as well.

That just basically means that they paid a fee to eBay to say that.

They have no other qualifications that state they're good.

I prefer to have a good, positive, FREE business relationship with a supplier.

In fact, I send mine a Christmas cards every year, and my best ones do the same. (Actually, my best supplier sends me a Hanukkah card)

That is the level of cordiality you have with a supplier. It's not a 'who are you?' relationship.

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You mean to tell me that if I contact a supplier and ask them if their item is 'Authentic' and they tell me it is --- they could be lying?

And you mean to tell me that I can contact someone who is a 'verified' supplier and they can be terrible?

You mean to tell me that people can tell me to buy their products and I can be profitable because they have 'done all the research for me?


Man........... Looks like we should actually know what we're talking about before we contact suppliers --- including pricing, markets, authenticity, etc...

Who woulda thunk?
I like your humor. Thanks for your satirical reinforcement of what I and others have said about the need for research.

The sad fact is that there are so many people out there who should not be trying to run their own business.

You know, I have recently had to tell one would-be importer to cut his losses and let the supplier keep the merchandise and the money, because the freight cost would have sent him broke. And that was using the cheapest possible freight method.

It was an expensive lesson. There was no way the supplier would have given even a partial refund.

At least anyone reading this thread should by now have got the message that research is the critical first step.

To learn safe overseas sourcing and how to buy small (or large) quantities at best prices visit: Import Direct from China - How to Avoid the Middleman Learn to find genuine manufacturers and negotiate small orders at prices way below what wholesalers charge. Written after my health enforced retirement and provides insider information from veteran with experience exporting 1978-1987 importing since 1987 Learn to import the easy way
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That goes for suppliers who are 'Authorized eBay dealers' and try to sell you that they are great to work with on eBay as well.

That just basically means that they paid a fee to eBay to say that.

They have no other qualifications that state they're good.

I prefer to have a good, positive, FREE business relationship with a supplier.

In fact, I send mine a Christmas cards every year, and my best ones do the same. (Actually, my best supplier sends me a Hanukkah card)

That is the level of cordiality you have with a supplier. It's not a 'who are you?' relationship.
Excellent point!

Although I am now retired I still get cards from several of my former suppliers. If one of my frequent visits to China coincided with the birth of a baby for one of the staff members I would take along a small gift for her. From memory I think that happened with three suppliers. (22 years is a long time to remember it all.)

Relationships mean lot in any ongoing business, but especially in China.

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I like your humor. Thanks for your satirical reinforcement of what I and others have said about the need for research.

The sad fact is that there are so many people out there who should not be trying to run their own business.

You know, I have recently had to tell one would-be importer to cut his losses and let the supplier keep the merchandise and the money, because the freight cost would have sent him broke. And that was using the cheapest possible freight method.

It was an expensive lesson. There was no way the supplier would have given even a partial refund.

At least anyone reading this thread should by now have got the message that research is the critical first step.
It's what I plug an preach every day here.

It's when you rely on others when you get burned.

When you enter negotiations knowing more than the other guy (or gal) you ALWAYS win.

However, I've never considered 'cutting losses' as 'losing money'. You only lose money if you go through with the original, disaster of a plan.

But, it is an expensive lesson - sure. (Like college.)

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In my opinion it is worth the $299. I have been a member of WWB since 2008.

Granted there are a lot of members and you will be competing with others to sell the same product. You have to decide how much time you want to spend trying to find a reliable supplier or if spending the $299 would be better.

In order to differentiate yourself from the crowd you would have to take your own pictures and write your own unique descriptions. Once you receive the products you will find new ways to marketing them and your pictures will be uniquely yours.

You can also search for international suppliers in the "Search Wholesalers" section.

What I liked best about them is that their suppliers have already been checked out.

When you dropship you want to make sure that the turn around time is quick. Customers want their products yesterday.

Keep in mind there are many ways to differentiate yourself online.

You can offer an outrageous return policy (an idea from Jim Cockrum's book "Free Marketing" - this is a must read if you haven't already).

You must respond to your potential customers questions quickly. Simply setting up several websites and watching the money roll in may work with simple products, but products that normally generate questions will take up more of your time.

I used to sell the same products as others on eBay and I did fairly well.

Unfortunately, eBay and I don't see eye to eye anymore. But they are a great way to start building your traffic (just follow the rules).

I hope this helps.

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I have never used World Wide Brands so can't tell you my experience with them bit. I almost did but even their demo I could never find the product I was looking for and there is no sense paying them to give me competition in a niche they aren't targeting.

That being said, in many cases it could be a function of what do you have more of? Time? Do it yourself. Money? Maybe buy in. Or maybe pay an assistant to reach out to companies for you. I did all my contact through email and was able to hit several niches that way. I can also tell you right now I know several dropshippers that are not on their list.

Other advice, thomasnet is another site to check out. That is how I found the contract manufacturer I used for one of my products and they let me list their products on some of my sites... They own their plant in China while still being based in the US

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I agree with Julia about the potential for time being wasted. If you just start searching the Internet not only will it take many hours of wasted time, but you will probably not have any assurance that you are dealing with the actual manufacturer or that it is a reliable business.

However, if you have proper guidance as outlined in my book you can go straight to the handful of sites that I know from 22 years experience can provide access to multitudes of reliable suppliers who are the real manufacturers, and you can find virtually any product you could ever dream of. You are not limited to the same product range that you will see over and over again on places like eBay, where you will have to cut margins to the bone to compete.

Direct importing in small or large volume is ridiculously easy when you know how and I can show you how. There is no need to learn the rules and regulations.

P.S. There are two product sourcing sites with identical names, except that one of them is hyphenated. One site is completely safe, but the other is not. How will you know the difference? There is another site that is advertising heavily, and as a result people believe it must be OK, but I would warn against using it. How do you know which ones to trust?
I disagree with you and sounds kind of a sales pitch. If you want to give some real value then name the websites you say have reliable suppliers.

First, if you are new and even if you are experienced, you never know what and if the product is going to sell well or sell at all.
Second, you need to test a niche. Why you need to spend "little" money as you say and go through a complicated process of importing if you can spend NO money? With dropshipping you don't spend anything. Yes you pay a little more, you have lower margins but first rule of making money is not to loose money! Especially when you enter a new a market you don't know. Once you have some sales you can start to buy few dozens and so on, start from little to bigger,do not put the cart in front of horses!

A lot of manufacturers would not even talk with you except if you are some big retailer like k-mart. They are interested in making the product not distributing that's why they have wholesalers. Factories that do, usually are smaller.
DO NOT look that let's say an item on alibaba costs 1$ and here 10$. You need shipping, customs and vat fees, advertising, risk involved with not knowing the quality of the products. I know a person who imports from China for about 7 years now, different phone and electronic accessories. He stays there for a month still his order is complete and checks vigorously the merchandise, because chinese still cheat on him with the quality,they show good samples and after that he gets bad samples. In other words chinese operate very differently from americans.
Worldwide Brands have 60 days redund policy. If you don't like you can cancel it.
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I disagree with you and sounds kind of a sales pitch. If you want to give some real value then name the websites you say have reliable suppliers.

First, if you are new and even if you are experienced, you never know what and if the product is going to sell well or sell at all.
Second, you need to test a niche.
Why you need to spend "little" money as you say and go through a complicated process of importing if you can spend NO money? With dropshipping you don't spend anything. Yes you pay a little more, you have lower margins but first rule of making money is not to loose money! Especially when you enter a new a market you don't know. Once you have some sales you can start to buy few dozens and so on, start from little to bigger,do not put the cart in front of horses!

A lot of manufacturers would not even talk with you except if you are some big retailer like k-mart. They are interested in making the product not distributing that's why they have wholesalers. Factories that do, usually are smaller.
DO NOT look that let's say an item on alibaba costs 1$ and here 10$. You need shipping, customs and vat fees, advertising, risk involved with not knowing the quality of the products. I know a person who imports from China for about 7 years now, different phone and electronic accessories. He stays there for a month still his order is complete and checks vigorously the merchandise, because chinese still cheat on him with the quality,they show good samples and after that he gets bad samples. In other words chinese operate very differently from americans.
Worldwide Brands have 60 days redund policy. If you don't like you can cancel it.
If you want to see a blatant sales pitch, just have a look at the original post at [METHOD] How You Can Make Big Money Importing From China – The Rise and Fall of My Empire…
I post the way I do because I hate to see people needlessly throwing money away.

I agree entirely that you you need to research your product's saleability before you even look for suppliers. From there on you have completely missed the point of my posts.

Importing need not be complicated. Those who do what I suggest find it as easy as buying locally.

You also say "Yes you pay a little more, you have lower margin", but you clearly have no idea of the vast difference in profits. Other members on this thread know that. See: redlegrich -" Better yet, find an offshore manufacturer and import it. Only then will you really be able to make money! As they say in the eBay world, you make your money when you BUY, not SELL (meaning, get low cost product and make money)." He is not selling a book on importing. There are many similar statements on other threads but I won't bore everyone with more quotes.

You say: "A lot of manufacturers would not even talk with you except if you are some big retailer like k-mart." In my importing business one of my suppliers had 6,000 employees in 3 factories, but orders my franchisees placed were quite often very small. I mean as little as $100 for a shipment.

The person you know who has to go to China and sit there for a month obviously has not developed a good business relationship or has not found a trustworthy supplier. He is the kind of person who really needs to read my book.

I have been visiting China since 1978 as an exporter and since 1987 as an importer. As a result I do know how to deal with people in that country.

To learn safe overseas sourcing and how to buy small (or large) quantities at best prices visit: Import Direct from China - How to Avoid the Middleman Learn to find genuine manufacturers and negotiate small orders at prices way below what wholesalers charge. Written after my health enforced retirement and provides insider information from veteran with experience exporting 1978-1987 importing since 1987 Learn to import the easy way
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If you want to see a blatant sales pitch, just have a look at the original post at [METHOD] How You Can Make Big Money Importing From China – The Rise and Fall of My Empire…
I post the way I do because I hate to see people needlessly throwing money away.

I agree entirely that you you need to research your product's saleability before you even look for suppliers. From there on you have completely missed the point of my posts.

Importing need not be complicated. Those who do what I suggest find it as easy as buying locally.

You also say "Yes you pay a little more, you have lower margin", but you clearly have no idea of the vast difference in profits. Other members on this thread know that. See: redlegrich -" Better yet, find an offshore manufacturer and import it. Only then will you really be able to make money! As they say in the eBay world, you make your money when you BUY, not SELL (meaning, get low cost product and make money)." He is not selling a book on importing. There are many similar statements on other threads but I won't bore everyone with more quotes.

You say: "A lot of manufacturers would not even talk with you except if you are some big retailer like k-mart." In my importing business one of my suppliers had 6,000 employees in 3 factories, but orders my franchisees placed were quite often very small. I mean as little as $100 for a shipment.

The person you know who has to go to China and sit there for a month obviously has not developed a good business relationship or has not found a trustworthy supplier. He is the kind of person who really needs to read my book.

I have been visiting China since 1978 as an exporter and since 1987 as an importer. As a result I do know how to deal with people in that country.
Sorry a bit confused. are you will? or were you referring to that thread for your post a bit below it?
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Sorry a bit confused. are you will? or were you referring to that thread for your post a bit below it?
No I am not Will.

I just included a link to Will's post in response to VMan's statement: "I disagree with you and sounds kind of a sales pitch". My "sales pitch" pales into insignificance compared to the one I linked to. I was offering sound advice.

The main purpose of my post was to correct several incorrect statements in VMan's post. He was repeating many of the wrong assumptions about importing that appear to have been embedded in the minds of so many people by the wholesale and drop ship industry. It is clearly in their interest to have people believe that importing is horribly complex and orders must be for large amounts.

If you know how to do it properly, importing is ridiculously easy. As for order size, I show people how they can order a handful of items direct from a manufacturer at ex-factory prices.

To learn safe overseas sourcing and how to buy small (or large) quantities at best prices visit: Import Direct from China - How to Avoid the Middleman Learn to find genuine manufacturers and negotiate small orders at prices way below what wholesalers charge. Written after my health enforced retirement and provides insider information from veteran with experience exporting 1978-1987 importing since 1987 Learn to import the easy way
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Until recently, I worked as an operations executive for an independent distributor of aviation maintenance equipment, most of which was drop-shipped. I applaud your entrepreneurial spirit. But you are asking the wrong question.

You should be asking whether you want to enter the drop-shipping field at all. This is NOT a passive form of income, because you are in fact a distributor who purchases and then resells physical goods. That makes you an active participant in the supply chain, with all of the responsibilities and liabilities that go along with it.

Unlike affiliate programs, you have a "hands on" relationship with the actual transaction. If anything goes wrong - the shipment is held up at Customs, the goods arrived damaged, your supplier refuses to honor a service contract, your customer gets himself a lawyer, then YOU are the one who has to make good or stand in front of a civil court judge. Your customer won't care what kind of contract you have with your supplier. His contract is with you.

We carefully selected our suppliers, reviewed every sale contract before agreeing to the transaction, often handled shipping ourselves, tracked the entire process from bid to payment, and took steps to make sure that the supplier didn't go around our backs to undersell us. Every sale, regardless of price, was a potential headache. Over the years we developed a good system, so it was worth it. But it took work.
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I just cancelled my account and asked for a refund after less than a week. The supplier search interface is very difficult to use and you cannot export anything to csv or excel. They have also turned off the ability to copy and paste from the search results, so if you are comparing multiple products in a spreadsheet, you have to manually type the information. Its very cumbersome and looks as if it were coded in 2001.

Seems like most of the products listed there are mom and pop type stuff that is incredibly niche specific, like homemade baby strollers.

One supplier on there was selling a type of wood glue that has less than 10 searches a month on google.

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I can answer that for you, I joined a couple of years ago, and I think you can find the same wholesalers that he provides just by doing some research on the internet. Not worth the 299 dollars.
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For some people it may be worth it, for others it isn't. I personally was a member and after a couple of days realized it was not for me and I canceled/refunded. Customer support was very helpful and it was a no-hassle process. The reason for canceling? I was unhappy with the types of products/manufacturers in their directory and felt it was much more beneficial to do the research and contact suppliers directly.
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Another good alternative is Saleshoo. Membership is much much cheaper also. Personally I prefer Google search.

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No, not worth it. Not even close. I had a membership there back in 2006 and never found any quality companies to deal with in there. You need to ID your niche, then search out the real suppliers. Just as an experiment, I would usually find the bigger suppliers at trade shows or wherever and check to see if they were in the WWB directory and they never were.

Realistically, if you're a "real" supplier, would you want to be listed in WWB? You know it's all people that are part-timers selling on ebay.

Your best bet is finding a trade show to attend. If you can't afford it, then look up the trade show directory online and start searching out their websites. Trade shows are great though because it's efficient.
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I used to run my own wholesale membership. If I didn't sell it I would give you free access.
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All of these sites, programs, memberships and so forth suffer under the same problem. All the members get the same access, so how do YOU make money if everyone is on the same cost structure? Well, most just lower their price to next to nothing margin. That's no way to run a business.

Take your $300 and save it. As other posters suggest, find a market segment, look for manufacturers and find some who will drop ship. You will likely get better pricing and won't have as much competition. Better yet, find an offshore manufacturer and import it. Only then will you really be able to make money! As they say in the eBay world, you make your money when you BUY, not SELL (meaning, get low cost product and make money).
I would disagree. It takes a lot of time and effort to locate wholesalers that are willing to deal with people who don't have a physical storefront. Supposedly WorldWide Brands has already done all of your research so you can get started today. If you try to do it on your own and it takes you 2 months to find the right wholesaler, that's 2 months down the hole. That's suggesting that you even find the wholesalers that are listed on WorldWide Brands.
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I would disagree. It takes a lot of time and effort to locate wholesalers that are willing to deal with people who don't have a physical storefront. Supposedly WorldWide Brands has already done all of your research so you can get started today. If you try to do it on your own and it takes you 2 months to find the right wholesaler, that's 2 months down the hole. That's suggesting that you even find the wholesalers that are listed on WorldWide Brands.
You have not addressed redlegrich's very important point "Better yet, find an offshore manufacturer and import it. Only then will you really be able to make money! As they say in the eBay world, you make your money when you BUY, not SELL (meaning, get low cost product and make money)."
He is certainly not alone with that opinion as many posts on this forum support him.

There is a strong mindset evident among warrior members that dropshipping is the only way to obtain products to sell without a huge cash outlay. That is simply not true. I teach how to safely locate and buy direct from genuine manufacturers in small or large quantities.

If dropshippers would explore that option they would be blown away at the profit margins they can achieve.

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I won't post a link or my website in case you think I'm getting something out of this response.

I don't hate WWB, I bought it a year ago or so and haven't regretted it.
Prior to getting it I spent weeks trying to find a supplier for specific products.

I personally find some comfort in the price tag because it means
a. less competition for the same suppliers (but not always, depends on the supplier as well)
b. less time finding out whether the supplier is legitimate

although the success calculator thing is absolutely useless.
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I am a member of WWB and I can offer the following ...

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1. Giant database with lots of suppliers
2. Most suppliers, in my experience, are legit

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1. Search tools are not refined. It takes a lot of work to search through and use the tool effectively.
2. I really wish I could download the database (or even copy/paste listings) so I could sort through it in Excel, keep my own notes, etc. They've locked it down pretty tight and I haven not found a way to do so.
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I like your humor. Thanks for your satirical reinforcement of what I and others have said about the need for research.

The sad fact is that there are so many people out there who should not be trying to run their own business.

You know, I have recently had to tell one would-be importer to cut his losses and let the supplier keep the merchandise and the money, because the freight cost would have sent him broke. And that was using the cheapest possible freight method.

It was an expensive lesson. There was no way the supplier would have given even a partial refund.

At least anyone reading this thread should by now have got the message that research is the critical first step.
Where could I get info on your book.
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During the whole thread there is barely the mention of authenticity, how do you know what you are selling is authentic. If you don't know the supply chain or you don't know the wholesaler is the most respected in the industry there is a good chance that you could come unstuck.

We have seen reports that not even the OEM staff can tell the difference between theirs and the fake products. The difference is the quality of materials, for example with beauty it can cause skin irritations due to low quality ingredients. In these litigation times it won't take much to be sued - either by the consumer or the OEM - look at the eBay & LVMH arrangement. This is a huge problem and one of the reasons you see department stores growth 20-50% YOY and SMEs static or declining - trust.

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If dropshippers would explore that option they would be blown away at the profit margins they can achieve.
In more ways than one if they source non-authentic products and/or poor quality items which mislead consumers and cause health issues.

The amount of due dilligence you have to do is beyond what most people have the stamina for - go through an agent and you are presuming they did their due dilligence - don't just assume because 1,000s use it that it's fine - you only need one black swan to disprove people who believe there are only white swans in the world.
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The best thing to do is actually contact the wholesalers directly. What I do is let's say for example I want to sell cookware wholesale. What i do is look for them on Google and once I find a couple of themi like I send them all emails. Some will respond and some don't. The ones that respond are always happy to work with you. In the beginning you start with small orders then you just get bigger and bigger orders as your company grows.
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@redlegrich

You mention offering dropshipping for products with 10% comission. Can these products be shipped to Canada?
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Where could I get info on your book.
@dreloc. Sorry I missed your post.

You can find my book at http://provenchinasourcing.com

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