How does importing from China work?

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Say I've found a supplier on Alibaba located in Hon Kong/China and make a deal with them. What happens next?
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  • Profile picture of the author Importexport
    Originally Posted by pats4801 View Post

    Say I've found a supplier on Alibaba located in Hon Kong/China and make a deal with them. What happens next?
    Maybe they might ask you to pay and that's the last you hear from them. It does happen.

    Seriously, Alibaba is one of the last places I would recommend to find suppliers. Do you know that most of the "manufacturers" listed on the popular B2B sourcing sites like Alibaba are really traders or wholesalers.

    You won't get the best prices from wholesalers, you have to buy direct from the manufacturers.

    When you say "make a deal with them" it's not like buying from the corner store. Here are a few things you need to know or check out:
    • When looking at their quote you need to know the difference between shipping terms such as FOB and C&F. FOB means Free On Board and if you buy on that basis you have to arrange freight and there are a lot of charges that could be hidden. C&F means Cost + Freight so at least you would know that there should be no hidden charges but...
    • Is it C&F door to door? If so, the only extra costs will be Duty and Tax if both are payable.
    • If it is a big brand name or a copy, DON'T buy it.
    • Are they real manufacturers? Don't take their word for it.
    • Are they reliable and trustworthy? "Gold Supplier" status tells you only that the business actually exists and they were willing to pay extra to give the impression that they are reliable and trustworthy.
    This is just a start. You need to do a lot more research before you think of placing an order.
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    • Profile picture of the author onlinecommerce
      Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

      Maybe they might ask you to pay and that's the last you hear from them. It does happen.

      Seriously, Alibaba is one of the last places I would recommend to find suppliers. Do you know that most of the "manufacturers" listed on the popular B2B sourcing sites like Alibaba are really traders or wholesalers.
      They don't really even try and hide the fact they are not manufactures. On supplier pages it blatantly says " Business Type: Trading Company "... The vast majority of companies on alibaba do have this designation as their business type.

      On another note some small but legit suppliers of certain parts or materials do not know where else to advertise online other then sites like alibaba to get world exposure.
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        Originally Posted by onlinecommerce View Post

        They don't really even try and hide the fact they are not manufactures. On supplier pages it blatantly says " Business Type: Trading Company "... The vast majority of companies on alibaba do have this designation as their business type.

        On another note some small but legit suppliers of certain parts or materials do not know where else to advertise online other then sites like alibaba to get world exposure.
        It is true that there are many listings as traders and they declare that to be the case, but the point I make is that a huge % of listings as manufacturers are in fact traders. They are not manufacturers.

        Alibaba make very little effort to verify the businesses that they list as verified and no more effort to check out those they sell Gold Supplier status to.

        For those who have only started to read this thread at this point, I suggest it is worthwhile to get the full picture by reading the whole thread, or they might like to look at the thread How Trustworthy is Alibaba.com?

        It is also true that many small manufacturers don't know where else to advertise, and for those astute buyers willing to ignore the near useless verification and Gold Supplier rating systems promoted by Alibaba, there can be great opportunities there.

        Non verified suppliers get almost nil business, but some of them are genuine and well worth dealing with. To do so you need to know how to verify them yourself. I have mentioned a couple of verification steps in earlier posts but there is a lot more that should be done.

        You can bypass a lot of that work by using safe sourcing sites that have done most of the work for you with serious verification procedures.
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  • Profile picture of the author kjamesnv
    The previous poster has an excellent eBook that covers these topics very well. I strongly recommend it to anyone starting out importing merchandise. Look in his signature for details.
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  • Profile picture of the author rms1
    I have a friend who is highly experienced in importing cycling related items from China. I had an idea some time ago which I soon dismissed and it involved importing from China. His advice to me was that you should never under any circumstances import from China until you have met the party face to face. If this involves a trip to China then you will need to factor this in.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by rms1 View Post

      I have a friend who is highly experienced in importing cycling related items from China. I had an idea some time ago which I soon dismissed and it involved importing from China. His advice to me was that you should never under any circumstances import from China until you have met the party face to face. If this involves a trip to China then you will need to factor this in.
      I have taught hundreds of people how to safely import from China, and it is rare for any of them to go to China personally to meet suppliers.

      I have made countless visits to China since I began exporting there in 1978 and then importing since 1987 and as a result I know the Chinese business processes thoroughly and I am able to pass that knowledge on to my students. There are many differences in the way they operate compared to westerners, and once you know the vital differences you can safely work with them.

      With people in over 30 countries now following my methods I have only had one report being scammed. He did everything wrong. He used a risky B2B website that I advise should not be used for sourcing. He placed an order before even seeing a sample, and he sent $2,000 by Western Union. I really wonder why he bought my book!

      In 22 years of running my importing business in 4 countries neither I nor any of my many franchisees in those countries were ever ripped of by a Chinese supplier. Only a handful of those franchisees actually visited the suppliers, so I suggest you don't waste money going to China unless you can spare it.

      Face to face dealings are always beneficial, but not essential.
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      • Profile picture of the author JdubyaEm
        I've used Alibaba as an "info source" so to say and had GREAT success with it...

        You don't deal with them directly through Alibaba,if so you will most likely get a "middle man" or even worse.someone who lives near the manufacturer or knows someone in there and give you horrible high priced deals...or worse yet runs off with your money

        Search through Alibaba for the type of product you are looking for,write down the manufacturer's name and google that name..then you can go directly to their website and deal with them from there..no middle man involved and you know you are not dealing with a "wholesaler" who marks up the prices for his profit.

        I have had great success in the last few months using this method to find my sources to sell online and a local 4x4 store front my family i recently opened and making a go at it.

        You can also use other of the B2B websites to do the same thing....
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        • Profile picture of the author Importexport
          Originally Posted by JdubyaEm View Post

          I've used Alibaba as an "info source" so to say and had GREAT success with it...

          You don't deal with them directly through Alibaba,if so you will most likely get a "middle man" or even worse.someone who lives near the manufacturer or knows someone in there and give you horrible high priced deals...or worse yet runs off with your money

          Search through Alibaba for the type of product you are looking for,write down the manufacturer's name and google that name..then you can go directly to their website and deal with them from there..no middle man involved and you know you are not dealing with a "wholesaler" who marks up the prices for his profit.

          I have had great success in the last few months using this method to find my sources to sell online and a local 4x4 store front my family i recently opened and making a go at it.

          You can also use other of the B2B websites to do the same thing....
          How do you know you are not dealing with a wholesaler? Just because they have a website and there they claim to be a manufacturer that is no proof that they are a genuine manufacturer.

          When you deal with someone through Alibaba or the other popular B2B sites you are dealing with the advertiser. Going to their website does not take you to the manufacturer it takes you to the advertiser's website.

          I am sorry to tell you that it is highly possible that you are dealing with wholesalers even if you think they are manufacturers. For best prices you must find the real manufacturer.

          The great majority of advertisers on B2B sites falsely claim to be manufacturers. Sorting out who is telling the truth is a major undertaking. I know how to do it, but I would not waste my time or the time of my students because there are lesser-known sites where you can be sure that if they are listed as a manufacturer, that is what they really are.
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          • Profile picture of the author JdubyaEm
            Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

            How do you know you are not dealing with a wholesaler? Just because they have a website and there they claim to be a manufacturer that is no proof that they are a genuine manufacturer.

            When you deal with someone through Alibaba or the other popular B2B sites you are dealing with the advertiser. Going to their website does not take you to the manufacturer it takes you to the advertiser's website.

            I am sorry to tell you that it is highly possible that you are dealing with wholesalers even if you think they are manufacturers. For best prices you must find the real manufacturer.

            The great majority of advertisers on B2B sites falsely claim to be manufacturers. Sorting out who is telling the truth is a major undertaking. I know how to do it, but I would not waste my time or the time of my students because there are lesser-known sites where you can be sure that if they are listed as a manufacturer, that is what they really are.
            either you are not understanding what i said..or don't want to.............

            I find the advertised manufacturer's name on alibaba of products i am interested in....they all have the supposed name fo the manufacturer...

            Then do an internet search for such a company and find out if it is actualy a legit manufacturer name...

            enter the manufacturer's website and breeze through it and see all the types of products the manufacturer is making and offering....

            It's real easy to tell if its a wholesaler or the real manufacturer

            Deal directly though them..you just skipped over alibaba's bull and went directly to the manufacturer..you only used alibaba as an info resource...

            Beleive or say what you want to..but i am dealing DIRECT with 3 manufacturers of certian products..no middle man or wholesalers...............

            And i am making an unbeleivable profit margin..no dropshipping or having to deal wholesalers raping for extra money....
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            • Profile picture of the author Importexport
              Originally Posted by JdubyaEm View Post

              either you are not understanding what i said..or don't want to.............

              I find the advertised manufacturer's name on alibaba of products i am interested in....they all have the supposed name fo the manufacturer...

              Then do an internet search for such a company and find out if it is actualy a legit manufacturer name...

              enter the manufacturer's website and breeze through it and see all the types of products the manufacturer is making and offering....

              It's real easy to tell if its a wholesaler or the real manufacturer

              Deal directly though them..you just skipped over alibaba's bull and went directly to the manufacturer..you only used alibaba as an info resource...

              Beleive or say what you want to..but i am dealing DIRECT with 3 manufacturers of certian products..no middle man or wholesalers...............

              And i am making an unbeleivable profit margin..no dropshipping or having to deal wholesalers raping for extra money....
              I understand exactly what you said and would never pretend not to. I am not trying to correct you, I just want others to know that they don't have to go to so much effort when there is a much easier way.

              You may know all the tricks to find out if someone claiming to be a manufacturer really is such, but I know from my dealings with hundreds of newbie importers that most would have no idea.

              This is why they value the method that I teach because it makes it so easy for them. Alibaba's list of "manufacturers" is vast and few newbies are willing to wade through them and try to sort out which of them really is genuine.

              Instead, they take my advice and go to safer B2B sites where the work has already been done for them.
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              • Profile picture of the author JdubyaEm
                Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                I understand exactly what you said and would never pretend not to. I am not trying to correct you, I just want others to know that they don't have to go to so much effort when there is a much easier way.

                You may know all the tricks to find out if someone claiming to be a manufacturer really is such, but I know from my dealings with hundreds of newbie importers that most would have no idea.

                This is why they value the method that I teach because it makes it so easy for them. Alibaba's list of "manufacturers" is vast and few newbies are willing to wade through them and try to sort out which of them really is genuine.

                Instead, they take my advice and go to safer B2B sites where the work has already been done for them.
                I have to disagree..as i was a "newbie" to all this just a short time ago....

                I have found out personaly buying through those B2B sites have a much higher price per product than buying DIRECTLY from the manufacturer itself..

                How do those B2B sites stay in bussiness?....they charge the manufacturer money..and in a lot of cases the customer money...........

                The prices are "bumped up" from the manufacturer to compensate their cost....

                As in your own words"deal directly with the manufacturer is the only way to make high profits"

                That means no middle man,which is ANY B2B website....
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            • Profile picture of the author boobooch5
              [QUOTE=JdubyaEm;9483518]Then do an internet search for such a company and find out if it is actualy a legit manufacturer name...QUOTE]


              How do you actually verify the legitimacy?
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              • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                Originally Posted by JdubyaEm View Post

                Then do an internet search for such a company and find out if it is actualy a legit manufacturer name...
                Originally Posted by boobooch5 View Post

                How do you actually verify the legitimacy?
                I have taught hundreds of people safe sourcing and I would also be very interested to know how JdubyaEm can actually verify the legitimacy.

                He also says in that post "It's real easy to tell if its a wholesaler or the real manufacturer." I have been doing this for many years and I can tell you it is not easy. I can do it within a couple of minutes but it takes me several pages in my book to explain what to look for and what to avoid.

                There are three letters of the alphabet to look for on Chinese websites that can prove that the business is legitimate and I challenge JdubyaEm to tell Warriors which are the three letters of the alphabet to look for.

                This is only one of the many ways you can check, but why use sites like Alibaba? I recommend B2B sourcing sites where the work has been done for you and if a supplier is listed there as a manufacturer, that is what they really are.
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            • Profile picture of the author younglite
              Originally Posted by JdubyaEm View Post

              either you are not understanding what i said..or don't want to.............

              I find the advertised manufacturer's name on alibaba of products i am interested in....they all have the supposed name fo the manufacturer...

              Then do an internet search for such a company and find out if it is actualy a legit manufacturer name...

              enter the manufacturer's website and breeze through it and see all the types of products the manufacturer is making and offering....

              It's real easy to tell if its a wholesaler or the real manufacturer

              Deal directly though them..you just skipped over alibaba's bull and went directly to the manufacturer..you only used alibaba as an info resource...

              Beleive or say what you want to..but i am dealing DIRECT with 3 manufacturers of certian products..no middle man or wholesalers...............

              And i am making an unbeleivable profit margin..no dropshipping or having to deal wholesalers raping for extra money....
              This has been my exact experience as well. I have done quite well with this method.
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              • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                Originally Posted by younglite View Post

                This has been my exact experience as well. I have done quite well with this method.
                I find it disappointing that the warrior you quote, JdubyaEm has not answered my suggestion: " I would also be very interested to know how JdubyaEm can actually verify the legitimacy." Boobooch5 also asked how it can be done.

                Neither has he responded to my challenge to quote the three letters of the alphabet: "There are three letters of the alphabet to look for on Chinese websites that can prove that the business is legitimate and I challenge JdubyaEm to tell Warriors which are the three letters of the alphabet to look for."

                If you have enjoyed the exact same experience as JdubyaEm in finding it so easy to verify the legitimacy of a supplier, then maybe you will help out warriors like boobooch5 who asked how it can be done.

                I have been sourcing from China and other overseas countries since 1987, and since the internet became available I have not only used it myself for product sourcing, but I have taught my franchisees in 4 countries how to safely source overseas. I can state without any hesitation that although JdubyaEm says: "It's real easy to tell if its a wholesaler or the real manufacturer", it is not easy to tell.

                If you or JdubyaEm think I am wrong, please let me and all the other warriors know your "real easy" method.
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                • Profile picture of the author younglite
                  Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

                  If you or JdubyaEm think I am wrong, please let me and all the other warriors know your "real easy" method.
                  Importexport, this is less about you being wrong, and more about offering another way besides yours. In nearly every post you refer to your students, and in your signature you mention your teachings I can purchase. I appreciate that you need to make a living, too. But your way isn't the only way.

                  I have no idea how JdubyaEm verifies her vendor. My experience was similar in that I used Alibaba as an info source, went to their website, researched their history on forums and similar places to see if they ripped people off. I tend to use vendors with a longer history on Alibaba as they usually won't last if they're scam artists.

                  After that initial test, I see if they follow through. Trust is built on doing what you say. I personally stay in contact with vendors. When they send me a sample at a lesser price than most, great. When their quality matches other top brands, great. Trust takes time. I begin with small orders to see if they can be trusted, then work my way up to medium and larger orders.

                  When they give me a fair price and great quality, I trust them. Maybe they're still lying to me about being a mfgr, but I am not paying the higher prices, and I'm still getting awesome margins.

                  Those in a rush to get product before they've done their due diligence, may suffer great losses. I like to take my time.

                  At the end of the day, it's about relationships. That applies to any relationship, anywhere in the world. I am happy with my method. I likely have something to learn from you, too. But again, your way isn't the only way.

                  Speaking of your way, how exactly do you verify your suppliers?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                    Originally Posted by younglite View Post

                    Importexport, this is less about you being wrong, and more about offering another way besides yours. In nearly every post you refer to your students, and in your signature you mention your teachings I can purchase. I appreciate that you need to make a living, too. But your way isn't the only way.

                    I have no idea how JdubyaEm verifies her vendor. My experience was similar in that I used Alibaba as an info source, went to their website, researched their history on forums and similar places to see if they ripped people off. I tend to use vendors with a longer history on Alibaba as they usually won't last if they're scam artists.

                    After that initial test, I see if they follow through. Trust is built on doing what you say. I personally stay in contact with vendors. When they send me a sample at a lesser price than most, great. When their quality matches other top brands, great. Trust takes time. I begin with small orders to see if they can be trusted, then work my way up to medium and larger orders.

                    When they give me a fair price and great quality, I trust them. Maybe they're still lying to me about being a mfgr, but I am not paying the higher prices, and I'm still getting awesome margins.

                    Those in a rush to get product before they've done their due diligence, may suffer great losses. I like to take my time.

                    At the end of the day, it's about relationships. That applies to any relationship, anywhere in the world. I am happy with my method. I likely have something to learn from you, too. But again, your way isn't the only way.

                    Speaking of your way, how exactly do you verify your suppliers?
                    Thanks for your courteous reply. I certainly agree with most of what you say, but I would just like to point out that I don't have to make a living. I am retired due to heart surgery, but my brain won't slow down, so I wrote my book and I am enjoying helping a large number of new entrepreneurs enter the high profit world of importing.

                    From what you wrote in agreement with JdubyaEm I took it that you followed the same path to find your way direct to manufacturers. Sorry if I misunderstood.

                    The fact remains that a wholesaler will never be able to give you the low prices that a manufacturer can. Sure you can get great prices from a wholesaler in China, but if they have already paid the manufacturer's price to buy the product to resell to you, then you are missing out on a higher margin than what you now get.

                    Your due diligence process is good and building trust and a good relationship as you do is extremely important. It can take time and too many people rush in. Also, too many people rely on the near useless verification and rating systems promoted by Alibaba and other similar sites.

                    The verification methods that I recommend will depend to a large extent on sourcing through websites that do thorough verification before they list suppliers, but as I mentioned to JdubyaEm there is a simple check to do if the supplier has a .cn website. Other things involve correlating telephone area codes with postal codes for the address given for the business.

                    There are numerous other steps that can be taken but one very simple one is to ask if you can visit their factory when you next go to China. If they say "Yes", that is not proof that they manufacture, but if they say "No", then you know they are not a manufacturer.

                    To a Chinese business person, Yes can mean anything from no, probably, possibly, through to yes. It is not lying it is just Chinese custom to avoid saying no because it is deemed to be impolite.
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            • Originally Posted by JdubyaEm View Post

              either you are not understanding what i said..or don't want to.............

              I find the advertised manufacturer's name on alibaba of products i am interested in....they all have the supposed name fo the manufacturer...

              Then do an internet search for such a company and find out if it is actualy a legit manufacturer name...

              enter the manufacturer's website and breeze through it and see all the types of products the manufacturer is making and offering....

              It's real easy to tell if its a wholesaler or the real manufacturer

              Deal directly though them..you just skipped over alibaba's bull and went directly to the manufacturer..you only used alibaba as an info resource...

              Beleive or say what you want to..but i am dealing DIRECT with 3 manufacturers of certian products..no middle man or wholesalers...............

              And i am making an unbeleivable profit margin..no dropshipping or having to deal wholesalers raping for extra money....
              NO...you miss the point!

              Scammers have been known to copy huge oil trading web sites and act like they are the actual compmany Gazprom..and fleeced companies for millions...so you with your "I did 2 mins research on the net.." is a joke! You have no idea nor experience
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              • Profile picture of the author Importexport
                Originally Posted by JdubyaEm
                either you are not understanding what i said..or don't want to.............

                I find the advertised manufacturer's name on alibaba of products i am interested in....they all have the supposed name fo the manufacturer...

                Then do an internet search for such a company and find out if it is actualy a legit manufacturer name...

                enter the manufacturer's website and breeze through it and see all the types of products the manufacturer is making and offering....

                It's real easy to tell if its a wholesaler or the real manufacturer

                Deal directly though them..you just skipped over alibaba's bull and went directly to the manufacturer..you only used alibaba as an info resource...

                Beleive or say what you want to..but i am dealing DIRECT with 3 manufacturers of certian products..no middle man or wholesalers...............

                And i am making an unbeleivable profit margin..no dropshipping or having to deal wholesalers raping for extra money....


                Originally Posted by gettingricherdaily View Post

                NO...you miss the point!

                Scammers have been known to copy huge oil trading web sites and act like they are the actual compmany Gazprom..and fleeced companies for millions...so you with your "I did 2 mins research on the net.." is a joke! You have no idea nor experience
                @gettingricherdaily, thanks for supporting what I said about JdubyaEm's risky approach to finding genuine manufacturers.

                It is interesting to note that he has not been back since August 30th, and has never answered my challenge. If he had answered and got it right he would have proven that he knew at least something on the subject.

                As it is, I hope I have given sufficient evidence in this thread to discourage others from risking their hard earned money by following his advice.

                JdubyaEm is typical of many amateur importers who think they are getting a great deal, but they have no idea what they are missing out on as far as profit is concerned.
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        • Profile picture of the author hotto
          Originally Posted by JdubyaEm View Post

          I've used Alibaba as an "info source" so to say and had GREAT success with it...

          You don't deal with them directly through Alibaba,if so you will most likely get a "middle man" or even worse.someone who lives near the manufacturer or knows someone in there and give you horrible high priced deals...or worse yet runs off with your money

          Search through Alibaba for the type of product you are looking for,write down the manufacturer's name and google that name..then you can go directly to their website and deal with them from there..no middle man involved and you know you are not dealing with a "wholesaler" who marks up the prices for his profit.

          I have had great success in the last few months using this method to find my sources to sell online and a local 4x4 store front my family i recently opened and making a go at it.

          You can also use other of the B2B websites to do the same thing....
          True, this might happen sometimes but most of them are not "middle men".
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          • Profile picture of the author Importexport
            Originally Posted by hotto View Post

            True, this might happen sometimes but most of them are not "middle men".
            On the contrary, most of the suppliers on Alibaba and the other big, popular sourcing sites are middlemen. There are only a small % of suppliers listed who are genuine manufacturers.

            You quoted JdubyaEm who said "You don't deal with them directly through Alibaba,if so you will most likely get a "middle man" or even worse.someone who lives near the manufacturer or knows someone in there and give you horrible high priced deals...or worse yet runs off with your money."

            He was quite right. Prices quoted by most suppliers on Alibaba and the other big, popular sourcing sites are way above the best prices you can get by buying direct from the real manufacturers, even when you buy small quantities.

            As my earlier post #7 explained, his method for trying to find those real manufacturers is not the way to go. It simply does not work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by hotto View Post

      B2B is not good for small business. Try Hoyoyo.com - Online Shopping for Apparel, Bags, Auto Parts, Electronics, Home & Garden, Toys, Watches from China & Japan. , they can buy from taobao which is Chinese biggest B2C website ( also in alibaba group), and then ship to your country in small amount. Well just think about it for market testing or so. Good luck.
      B2B is good for small business. I have taught hundreds of people how to enter the high profit world of importing on a small scale. Some of them have become big time importers, and many have written to say what huge profits they are making.

      There are posts on Warrior Forum expressing amazement at the low prices they pay when buying direct from the manufacturers overseas, so yes B2B is good for small business.

      The Japanese wholesaler Hoyoyo is just that -- a wholesaler, and wholesalers will never be able to give you the profit margins that you can get direct from the real manufacturer even when you order small quantities.

      As for ordering from suppliers on the Chinese site Taobao through the Japanese site Hoyoyo, you are just adding another middleman to the whole process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Exman2099
    Alibaba is a horrible place to buy from.... I used Dhgate...... much better manufacturer results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by Exman2099 View Post

      Alibaba is a horrible place to buy from.... I used Dhgate...... much better manufacturer results.
      If you have found some genuine manufacturers on DHGate you can consider yourself very lucky.

      Have a look at the bad reports on Ripoffreport Ripoff Report | dhgate Search of Complaints & Reviews

      Just the same as Alibaba and the other popular B2B sites, the vast majority of suppliers listed on DHgate as manufacturers are not.

      They can look very convincing and just because any business in China claims to be a manufacturer that is not evidence to prove that they are. Even if they have a great website with pictures of their factory, that is still not proof.

      There are safe B2B sourcing sites where you can be certain who you are dealing with.
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  • Profile picture of the author WarGasm
    Importexport, in your experience, how much money on average for small to medium ticket items should a newbie be prepared to invest when ordering from a manufacturer?

    In other words, how much would a typical minimum order cost when ordering direct including shipping? I'm just looking for a price range so I can decide if its something I'm even capable of pursuing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by WarGasm View Post

      Importexport, in your experience, how much money on average for small to medium ticket items should a newbie be prepared to invest when ordering from a manufacturer?

      In other words, how much would a typical minimum order cost when ordering direct including shipping? I'm just looking for a price range so I can decide if its something I'm even capable of pursuing.
      You should never place a large order before sampling. The process of obtaining a single sample is costly as far as freight is concerned, but you must know what quality you are intending to buy.

      Many people say that a sample will always be better quality than a full order, but that can only apply in relation to products where quality can easily be modified during production. That is not easy to do with many products.

      Many of my students have started importing with just a few hundred dollars. It is possible to place a sample order that depending on unit price can give you a quantity big enough to test the market and make a good profit. Some have done this and put the profits back into their next order, increasing quantity as sales increase.

      Summing up, I would say that I would be uncomfortable spending more than a few hundred dollars on my first order. That order is a major factor that could make or break your new venture. It will confirm the reliability of the supplier. It will give you a good introduction to importing. It will enable you to test the market.

      The less you can spend on that first order the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author joey28
    I am also trying to start my importing business but I don't know where to start, I thought of doing FBA amazon but living in australia it could be more costly to ship to the middle man to receive the stock to amazon. Why don't know I import and sell on ebay or open a shop. So I would like more info on how to start importing business. The only advantage I have that I got a trusted agency that can go and look around for me I don't care if he/she takes 10% as long I find trusted manufacture and good quality products. I like the discussion between younglife & importexport.

    I found this http://www.globalmarket.com/ anyone knows about it

    Thanks guys
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by joey28 View Post

      I am also trying to start my importing business but I don't know where to start, I thought of doing FBA amazon but living in australia it could be more costly to ship to the middle man to receive the stock to amazon. Why don't know I import and sell on ebay or open a shop. So I would like more info on how to start importing business. The only advantage I have that I got a trusted agency that can go and look around for me I don't care if he/she takes 10% as long I find trusted manufacture and good quality products. I like the discussion between younglife & importexport.

      I found this GMC Certified Manufacturers, Suppliers, Factories, Exporters from China & Hong Kong-GlobalMarket.com anyone knows about it

      Thanks guys
      @joey28, I can't help you much with the selling side because I am not an online marketer. From what I do know I think it is quite possible for you to buy in China and ship to a facilitator in the US, who can check and package your goods to suit Amazon FBA requirements.

      I notice you have just sent me a PM, so I will see if I can reply there with more information.

      If using a sourcing agent in China it is probably a good idea to contact some manufacturers yourself just to be sure that you are not paying more than the 10% you refer to. By that I mean sometimes sourcing agents get a commission from the supplier as well as charging you a fee.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukng
    How about aliexpress.com, it is oversea version of taobao.com. They offer free shipping to US, UK, and other major countries. You would chat with them if agree for drop shipping business. I am going to use them to kick off my store soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by yukng View Post

      How about aliexpress.com, it is oversea version of taobao.com. They offer free shipping to US, UK, and other major countries. You would chat with them if agree for drop shipping business. I am going to use them to kick off my store soon.
      Like Taobao, Aliexpress is a retail site. That means you are paying Chinese retail prices.

      You can buy small inventory direct from the factory if you know how to negotiate way below the big MOQs. Then you will pay the prices that those retailers on Taobao pay.
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  • Profile picture of the author bonvideo
    It completely depends on what kind of products you are trying to import I have been importing from China for the last 10 years and never had a single issue. if you are planning to import in large quantities I suggest you go with the Middle man or wholesaler or distributor, why? Because large factories will not sell anything under 2.000 items, etc making it impossible for the average retailer to go for such huge orders. That is why a lot of web wholesalers from Asia have appeared in recent years to cover that need. Think of portals like Alibaba, TK5.biz, ChinaVasion.com etc, etc
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by bonvideo View Post

      It completely depends on what kind of products you are trying to import I have been importing from China for the last 10 years and never had a single issue. if you are planning to import in large quantities I suggest you go with the Middle man or wholesaler or distributor, why? Because large factories will not sell anything under 2.000 items, etc making it impossible for the average retailer to go for such huge orders. That is why a lot of web wholesalers from Asia have appeared in recent years to cover that need. Think of portals like Alibaba, TK5.biz, ChinaVasion.com etc, etc
      I have taught hundreds of people how to get manufacturers to supply orders much smaller than the big MOQs they quote.

      Alibaba is a B2B portal but the other two you mention are retail sites. Most of the suppliers listed on Alibaba as manufacturers are wholesalers so that site is no use to anyone who wants to buy direct in order to get maximum profits.

      Buying from a middle man or wholesaler or distributor as you recommend just guarantees that you will pay more for your products than you need to.
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  • Profile picture of the author spooksdenimes
    Hi. I've been living in China for the past 5 years, and trust me, you need someone you can trust here, either yourself or a friend / business partner. You can't just rely on everything "going smooth" .
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  • Profile picture of the author Salvador Junior
    Hi Importexport,

    I'm trying to download your free ebook, but it keeps taking me to an unsecure warning page:

    This Connection is Untrusted

    You have asked Firefox to connect securely to provenchinasourcing.com, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure.

    Normally, when you try to connect securely, sites will present trusted identification to prove that you are going to the right place. However, this site's identity can't be verified.
    I'd really like to get your ebook. Please advise.

    Thanks,

    -Salvador Jr.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by Salvador Junior View Post

      Hi Importexport,

      I'm trying to download your free ebook, but it keeps taking me to an unsecure warning page:

      I'd really like to get your ebook. Please advise.

      Thanks,

      -Salvador Jr.
      Hi Salvador,

      Sorry you are having this problem. I use Firefox and a moment ago I entered the name provenchinasourcing and it took me straight to the site.

      Are you using any security filters? Maybe if you just use IE you will get there. If the problem persists please let me know. Meanwhile I have reported you problem to my webmaster.

      Walter
      P.S the book is not free. It will cost you less than $50
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  • Profile picture of the author xwl
    Is your order quantity large? If your order quantity is small, it is unlikely you can buy directly from a manufacturer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by xwl View Post

      Is your order quantity large? If your order quantity is small, it is unlikely you can buy directly from a manufacturer.
      I know that wholesalers such as yourself work hard to convince people that they must place large orders if they want to buy direct from manufacturers, but that is not so.

      I have taught hundreds of people how to buy direct from real manufacturers and how to get them to supply small orders.
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      • Profile picture of the author DX
        OK I bought the book and I'm reading it right now
        I'm happy with the purchase
        there is much more to importing from China then finding a manufacturer
        after you've found the manufacturer there's more stuff to verify that if you don't do you could regret

        so this book is a must even for those that think they already know it all..

        one last suggestion can you start a private FB group so the students can ping ideas off each other

        cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author Importexport
          Originally Posted by DX View Post

          OK I bought the book and I'm reading it right now
          I'm happy with the purchase
          there is much more to importing from China then finding a manufacturer
          after you've found the manufacturer there's more stuff to verify that if you don't do you could regret

          so this book is a must even for those that think they already know it all..

          cheers
          Unfortunately there is a large number of wanabee importers who think that a few posts from people on forums who may or may not know what they are talking about is all they need to know.

          This is why I see so many sad stories about being scammed. It is also the reason why so many don't make money in their new ventures.

          Most will blunder into using unsafe sites because those sites are the ones that are always being recommended by other amateur importers. There are threads on the forum where people says things such as "I have been scammed a couple of times" but they continue to use those sites because they don't know any better.

          Your comment "there is much more to importing from China then finding a manufacturer " is the answer to why I don't publish online my safe sourcing sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author mindtricks18
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    Remember that when you import, from an insurer's point of view you are deemed the manufacturer and will pay the premium accordingly. Depending on the type of product you import it could really increase your insurance bill so its worthwhile obtaining quotes before proceeding with the import.
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    • Profile picture of the author Importexport
      Originally Posted by mindtricks18 View Post

      Remember that when you import, from an insurer's point of view you are deemed the manufacturer and will pay the premium accordingly. Depending on the type of product you import it could really increase your insurance bill so its worthwhile obtaining quotes before proceeding with the import.
      I assume you are referring to product liability insurance? A very important subject.

      The point you raise is relevant to all product resellers whether they import or buy from local manufacturers or wholesalers.

      As a general rule if a consumer goes to a lawyer wanting to make a claim for some real or perceived harm or loss resulting from the use of a product, the first place they will look to sue will be the easiest target; the retailer. That includes online retailers, including dropshippers.

      The products you supply would be considered as very high risk for an insurer and as a result your premiums would be very high. If someone is selling imported phone cases the risk of loss or damage is minimal and therefore the premiums would be too.

      I agree with your suggestion to find out the cost before placing your first order. Every person operating a business should have product liability insurance if selling physical products.

      Note: This post is not to be taken as legal advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author leilapearse
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    I agree, product liability insurance is indeed a very important matter when it comes to dealing with manufacturers, and I must say that you should consider having one. It used protect the business from claims related to the manufacture or sale of products, food, medicines or other goods to the public. It covers either the manufacturer's or you as a seller's liability for losses or injuries to a buyer, user or bystander caused by a defect or malfunction of the product, and, in some instances, a defective design or a failure to warn.
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  • he's probably busy writing some course on how to import your way to billions of $$'s..$9 of course.
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