Mailwizz vs ArpReach

I have used Mailwizz in a project and would support it. It has parallel processing and use redis too to send emails at very high speed to mta. If you have good mta infrastructure, then, its a great go.
Frankly, I have never used ArpReach. Currently, I use Amazon SES / Mandrill MTA with Sendy which is taken care by EasySendy.

The last time I contacted ArpReach (summer 2015) they mentioned that they were in the process of creating their own hosting platform because many of their customers were complaining about a lack of alternatives.

My advice, is to contact ArpReach and ask them what hosting they recommend these days, and if they ever got their hosting platform up and running.

Ultimately, I prefer ArpReach because they've been around forever, and as far as I remember they are a one time sunken cost (minus the cost of hosting of course).

So, my advice is to contact them and ask; they won't lie to you if they cannot meet your functional requirements.

Wish you the best.

The first thing my team will tell you is that to add 12 million emails to any server and then try to send to all of them without warming up your IP address first is a sure way to get your IP address blacklisted.

You would be better breaking your list down in to 10K segments and mailing out 10K a day for a week to start the warm-up process. Then you can gradually ramp up your sending rate over a period of 30 - 45 days. May be even longer. You really do need to build up 'credibility' to get that many emails into the inbox of your recipients.

I'd also suggest that you scrub your list before sending anything to remove dead addresses before you add them into the software.

If you have dead addresses that result in bounces your sender score will drop like a lead balloon and you'll find it difficult to recover within 45 - 60 days. If the bounce percentage is to high then you might not recover for months. If you have anyone that might also complain about you sending spam on top of bounces, frankly you'd be wasting your effort.

The next issue you'll face with any software (including arpReach) when trying to send 12M emails per day is not so much the sending but the fact it is a two way process. Outbound and inbound responses. The results of clicks, tracking etc will all need to be stored and updated in the database and that volume will create a huge performance hit to the hardware.

arpReach allows you to send your emails in batches up to the capacity of the server but we would not recommend you do that. You need to allow overhead.

I can tell you that with that volume of emails you really will need a *great* server admin to configure not only the MTA but also the database as well. What you're asking for is to send 139 emails a second. And then process all of the responses that get sent back.

My suggestion would be to run two or three servers to give you some form of resilience. We do have users sending 4 - 5M daily but even then the servers are *well* configured. And server config is something we don't get involved in.

I hope that helps some.

There are much better programs than the ones you mention that can handle high volume. Your just not going to be aware of them, as WF doesn't really have high volume mailers as members that discuss this kind of stuff. However, they are way more expensive! You can easily spend $5K-$10K per year for a single license. Keep in mind that bandwidth will also be key and the actual domains in the list, as some domains smtp's are much slower to process mail than the large providers. Sending 12mm per day is very possible, there are just things that have to be taken into consideration.

You say you have a list that is single opt-in. Is it your list that you built and the recipients are going to recognize you as the sender and not generate complaints or have spam traps, etc... in the list?

If the answer is no, then you will be in for a rude awakening, as it will be much more complicated pulling it off.

lol you didnt even bother to read the posts in this thread.

quit posting in threads just to advertise your link signature...

and i am sure you are just copying and pasting but just to make it clear sending bulk mail with the right software is not as complicated as one would think. It might be complicated for average joes but even people with basic certs like RHCE can properly configure Exim or Postfix enough to send out a couple hundred thousands emails via a server with quad core, 8 gigs of ram, ssd drives and decently tuned database and basic bandwidth. Just gotta make sure you use cleaning from reputable companies like HygieneAgent or ImpressionWise and not some bs cleaning like the one in your signature ($400 for 1 million records LOL...I bet you guys are not even up to par with the companies i listed above and they only charge like $250-300 per million and they've been around for years and every well known mailer will back them up all day).

in fact you are probably just trying to make it sound complicated so people will fall for your advertising link and pay for overpriced garbage smtp servers.

I usually dont out people but everything you said in that post has been spoken for (I already said the data has been cleaned thoroughly, i also mentioned how I use PMTA with premium hardware and bandwidth. I also mentioned how after using reputable hygiene companies I've been able to avoid major blacklistings (Zen, Barracuda, etc) And to say bulk email is not possible anymore and yet your link is advertising everything related to bulk email lmao..jesus what nonsense..at least try and put some effort next time you spam forums with your link signature..no wonder your business looks shady as f***.

I ended up purchasing mailwizz.

and wow it really is an amazing platform for the price. only 50 bucks but easily worth hundreds of dollars

My MailWizz Review:

I've been now using MailWizz for a while and although it has many decent features here are some
limitations that IMHO, are critical:

MailWizz Biggest Limitations....

In general, you can't get decent information about your lists. If you come from Aweber,
GetResponse etc...

...you'll feel blind with the information that you get from your lists here.

You can "add people to lists"....but you need more than that (you need to get statistical
info about those lists + some other things).

Let me show you some specific examples.

--> You can't know which subscribers are becoming unresponsive (not opening your emails).

Every email that you send costs you money. And being able to delete those who are not opening your emails, could help you to do something with them (delete, send emails to re engage etc).

This function is present in almost every autoresponder (Aweber, GetResponse or any other) but unfortunately, it's not present in MailWizz.

You can only know which users didn't open a specific campaign (broadcast) of your choice but this won't help you at all as you need to be able to know "Unopens" for a given period (example: no opens between date 1 and date 2).

This way you could delete subscribers with "Unopens" for 2 or 3 months (for example).

--> In General, The Segmentation is ....Toooooooo Basic (This is a Huge Limitation)

And when i say it's too basic....i'm generous (you can create segments of people who
have some email address (???) or people with a certain name (are you desperate for segments like these?)).

Doesn't make sense.

ARPReach seems to have a serious approach....

"....Segment your campaigns on unlimited fields, including custom fields. Segment by individual or multiple fields for maximum personalization. Include or exclude autoresponders, customer lists, subscription date, link-clicks (or not clicked), message opened (or not opened). There truly are endless possibilities for segmentation because you can set any number of "include" or "exclude" criteria per segment...."

....In short, You can do nothing with the segmentation that MailWizz provides. Really.

--> You Can't Tag Your Subscribers.

This is something that you can't do with MailWizz but can do with ArpReach.

For example, if a subscriber clicks a link about "seo software", that tag can be added to
the subscriber so you can later create a campaign only for the subscribers who have that
specific interest.

MailWizz only allows you to "copy" subscribers to different lists but doesn't support
a tagging system. With ArpReach you can handle unlimited tags without having to
copy people to different lists.

--> You Can't Exclude Lists From Your Broadcasts (Like with Aweber etc).

Suppose that you have these 2 lists: "Freebies" and "Buyers", and
both have 1000subscribers in common.

You may want to send emails to the "Freebies" list more frequently,
excluding the subscribers who are in the "Buyers" list (the subs in common).

Well, unfortunately this is not possible because they don't have the option to exclude lists
from broadcasts (subscribers that may be subscribed to other lists that you may indicate).

All that they have is a tool that creates a third list where you can remove subs that 2 lists
have in common but this doesn't help at all as it's a list that contains the subscribers that you
had up to a certain date (new subs will be excluded).

Comment: You can add lists to a broadcast (campaign), but you can't exclude lists from a broadcast.

These are basically the big limitations that i've found but if you can live without them, this tool can be fine but nothing else.

I don't own a copy of ARPReach but taking a look at its features, it looks like a better tool (from what i see, it covers the previous items that i've described before + it allows you to have more control over you lists).

not sure if you are an arpreach rep or just dont know how to operate a self hosted platform because the above list tracking is not true and segmentation is all about link/subscriber tracking not mail delivery. As for excluding subscribers from lists, again that is false.

no offense just speaking the truth.

the tagging part might be true idk its not something i ever thought about using, all my emails are collected from targeted campaigns so why tag when you should already know what your subscriber wants before even sending a single email?

i sound harsh i know but its just the truth.

maybe talk with the developer and he'll teach you how to user mailwizz? not sure he'll help with the segmentation as that is something that is dependent on how you track your campaigns.

And you only pay a one time cost and get every update plus access to forums and ticket support from the developer. All for just $50 bucks.

OP, the first to consider is your list, in case of a single optin email list, you may be having anyone subscribing to your list, without the email confirmation. So not all of the contacts in your lists having the valid emails, you are likely to receive hard bounces. So unless you segment your list well, you will hardly be able to sustain your sending reputation.


Parallel sending is good idea, but with the capability to implement advance email list segmentation strategy. Idea of using Commercial MTA application like the PowerMTA is again the right thing you can do, but do consider front end software which is more optimized to work with PowerMTA and helps configuring the infrastructure. Consider something able to implement behavioral triggers to segment based on interests, ability of tracking geographical location of clickers and openers, and several options to separate out subscribers by accounting logs. Do search for other options like Interspire, Mumara etc..

In my opinion... I think Arpreach is better though aam currently using sendy

To be fair, the developer of MailWizz has listened to many suggestions which has implemented:

Here are some:

- Track Unresponsive Subs: You can now see who opened (or not) your emails for a given period of time. This is good to keep your lists clean.

- Conversion Tracking: You can know which subscribers purchased a product (affiliate or your own).

This is cool as (if you're promoting an affiliate product that supports conversion tracking), you can pass the id of each subscriber as the tracking code.

Then, when you make a sale you can find the subscriber by its id and do whatever you want (for example if you've created a custom field - like "VIP" - you can tag those subscribers so you treat them differently).

The app is making a good progress and i'll be posting more about its updates when possible.

I can't speak to which program does better sending high volumes. One little hassle about ARPreach is that you have to create a tracking link and then manually insert the tracking link tag in the email. Compared to the automatic tracking of most hosted email services it's pretty cumbersome. Other than that I liked ARPreach.