How much is the average IM list worth? Guess?

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I know they say the average is 1.00/month per subscriber but considering, the IM/make money niche is a tougher crowd (for obvious reasons)I was thinking the average in this niche would be must lower per subscriber.

If you had to guess, what would you say the average value per subscriber is? Assuming the content is decent and the offers are reasonable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    I don't think it's possible to come up with an "average", since most marketers aren't making their earnings public.

    Plus frequency of promotions, average prices that someone promotes for, conversion rates, open rates...would really vary a lot among any group of marketers...too much data would be needed to come up with an average.

    Like Sid Hale would say, "Your guess is as good as mine."
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  • Profile picture of the author Zavarzin
    It will largely depend on how responsive is your list and on your relationship with them. If they're eager to receive emails from you, than you can squeeze the most out of your list. You could monetize in different ways, creating muliple funnels, doing JVs with other marketers, doing clicks and leads swapping, creating your own products and promoting the affiliate ones. $1 per subscriber is a symbolic value that tends to indicate the profitability of this model. But of course the figure can be much higher like even $10 per subscriber on average (like with MLM or MOBE type products) or less impressive.
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  • Profile picture of the author scottgallagher
    An average figure is meaningless until you get into massive lists and an engine feeding many thousand new leads daily.

    For the 99% of us, a list of 10k can easily generate you 6 figures in profit per annum.
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    • Profile picture of the author MValmont
      Depends of so many things...

      For example I have a list of about 100 real estate investors and developers in Montreal that all have a net worth of more than 20 million and are always looking for good deals. I got this list by being a Real Estate Consultant for them and made them a lot of money. So if I say I have a good deal, they TRUST ME because Ultimately, they come to a guy like me anyways to know the value of the building. This list is worth A LOT over a lifetime even though it is only 100 people.

      You could have a list of 100 000 people and not make any money because it is not targeted traffic, they don't trust you, your e-mail marketing skills are not good and the offer is also not good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Phillip Jackson
      Originally Posted by scottgallagher View Post


      For the 99% of us, a list of 10k can easily generate you 6 figures in profit per annum.
      From the IM niche?
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    • Profile picture of the author Witty
      Originally Posted by scottgallagher View Post

      For the 99% of us, a list of 10k can easily generate you 6 figures in profit per annum.
      Sorry, but this is sheer waffle.

      A list of 10k might generate $100k plus in profit / per year - for a small percentage of expert Internet Marketers.

      To claim 99% of those in IM manage this, is laughable.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    Originally Posted by Phillip Jackson View Post

    I know they say the average is 1.00/month per subscriber but considering, the IM/make money niche is a tougher crowd (for obvious reasons)I was thinking the average in this niche would be must lower per subscriber.

    If you had to guess, what would you say the average value per subscriber is? Assuming the content is decent and the offers are reasonable.
    There is never really an average in this business, I wish I could give a better answer but unfortunately it's really impossible IMO
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I can only go by what my the average subscriber on my own list is worth. I don't think it's possible for anyone to come up with a solid number for other people because everyone manages their lists differently.

    One of the trends that I have been noticing lately, and I think it's a good one, is that people are beginning to make more money with smaller lists. I think that marketers who don't adjust and adapt to that strategy will be missing the boat.

    More and more marketers are competing for those subscribers every day. I have noticed that as the years go by it gets harder and harder to acquire good leads. Gone are the days of ad swapping. The AR companies hate it, and frankly, I agree with them. It seems to me that all swapping is is a bunch of the same marketers trading the same leads around and then in the end, competing with each other for the attention of said leads.

    I am about halfway through my business & growth plan for 2016 and one of the main supports of my lead generation system is going to be a HEAVY focus on blogging and content marketing. I have also just finished building a pretty decent video studio in one of my spare rooms and I plan to make video my core content production vehicle.

    I'll admit I've never been one for building my list through blogging, but I realize now that a visitor who comes to my blog from a search engine and likes my content enough to subscribe to my newsletter is probably going to be about the highest quality lead you can get.

    Bottom line -- I would rather have a list of 1000 subscribers that I got from organic search traffic than a list of 10,000 subscribers from ad swaps or click banking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Phillip Jackson
    Anyone care to give their own personal experience in the IM niche?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      What's the point of trying to guess this? Even if we could somehow come up with a meaningful number, it wouldn't change anything.

      Within your business, you are dealing with a sample size of one (lumping any segmented lists into one entity for the business). As others have mentioned, there are way too many parameters affecting list performance to make any kind of 'average' value useful.

      As for the $1/subscriber/month stat?

      That came from a presentation at an IM event, and the $1 number was plucked from thin air to make the math easy. Turns out, it isn't a bad goal for a beginner to shoot for. But I know a lot of people for whom $1/month would be a disaster.
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  • Profile picture of the author PopeMarketing
    As others have mentioned there are too many variables to take in to account. Depends on how the list was built, what level of trust that you have with the subscribers, and much more.

    A common view is that each subscriber is worth a dollar a month (as you said), but at the end of the day that comes down to the individual. Some people can have consistent 5 figure months with less than 10k subscribers.

    The dynamics are completely different if that list is your "following" buying your products and eating up your content, if you market affiliate products to them, or if you sell solos/funnel clicks.

    One of those questions that's a bit tricky to answer in all honesty...
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    So far, some really good feedback here.

    My first reaction to the question is that if you are concerned with an "average"... you're in the wrong game.

    Marketing is about excelling. If your goal is "average" you'll get eaten alive.
    Be the absolute best that you can be, and then raise the bar once again... aim a little higher.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I'm not sure if the average value of the subscriber is more important than the average value of a customer. This is where you should be putting most of your time and efforts in. Make sure you have very high end items that you can sell to your backend customers - that will eventually allow you to easily break even on frontend sales - and even profit immediately big time from each subsequent sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author JC Web
    Phillip, you're starting out with the wrong mindset by asking this question. Your success or lack of it is mostly dependent on you. I say mostly, instead of entirely, because there are always external factors that cannot be controlled and unexpected things can always happen, both to your detriment or to your benefit. Some people do everything right and fail and some people do everything wrong and succeed. But those are the minority on both ends.

    There is no such thing as an average IM list or an average earning per subscriber. Any number someone gives you for that is meaningless. The $1/month/subscriber is made up and of no relevance to anything. The only numbers that matter are your own. I know someone with a list of a few hundred who makes a full time income from them. I also know someone with a list of over 120,000 who only makes on average $900-1000 a month from that list. (Garbage in - garbage out). A former colleague of mine with a successful offline business averages around $500 per subscriber - that one is not an internet marketing list.

    It's up to you to build a quality list of quality subscribers and provide quality information or services to them. Or you could go the route of the guy with the 120K list, or anywhere in between those two. Either way, you will need to build your own list and decide how you want to treat that list and how you want to monetize that list to get the only numbers that hold any meaning. You need to find out for yourself what the numbers are for your own list. My list numbers or the list of anyone else in this thread or this forum have no relation whatsoever to what you will or will not make with your list.
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    • Profile picture of the author Phillip Jackson
      Originally Posted by JC Web View Post

      Phillip, you're starting out with the wrong mindset by asking this question. Your success or lack of it is mostly dependent on you. I say mostly, instead of entirely, because there are always external factors that cannot be controlled and unexpected things can always happen, both to your detriment or to your benefit. Some people do everything right and fail and some people do everything wrong and succeed. But those are the minority on both ends.

      There is no such thing as an average IM list or an average earning per subscriber. Any number someone gives you for that is meaningless. The $1/month/subscriber is made up and of no relevance to anything. The only numbers that matter are your own. I know someone with a list of a few hundred who makes a full time income from them. I also know someone with a list of over 120,000 who only makes on average $900-1000 a month from that list. (Garbage in - garbage out). A former colleague of mine with a successful offline business averages around $500 per subscriber - that one is not an internet marketing list.

      It's up to you to build a quality list of quality subscribers and provide quality information or services to them. Or you could go the route of the guy with the 120K list, or anywhere in between those two. Either way, you will need to build your own list and decide how you want to treat that list and how you want to monetize that list to get the only numbers that hold any meaning. You need to find out for yourself what the numbers are for your own list. My list numbers or the list of anyone else in this thread or this forum have no relation whatsoever to what you will or will not make with your list.

      JC Thanks for the reply (and everyone else). Thing is, Ive had lists in other niches but I've never had one in the IM niche because Ive always been skeptical of the profitability because everyone is doing it and these subscribers sign up to a LOT of lists. I suspect its just a totally different animal.

      I"ve see people doing it in the WF special offer area for years but never tried because Im such a huge skeptic of the value of a list around this niche.

      But recently I decided I might try something new. I guess I was just wondering what the possibilities are.

      Maybe a better question would be..If I had a good offer with good content etc is it an UNREASONABLE goal to expect at least 1.00 per subscriber/month selling clickbank products etc to this list?

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffreydale
    All lists aren't created equal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Typical or 'average' results usually mean next to nothing in the way of earnings. The people who are getting great results online are not average.

    People who look for average don't make much money in IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author Shana M
      How long is a piece of string?
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmcdonald909
    97% are broke people looking to sell or make some quick cash...for free of course. So whatever the size...knock at least 90% off and that's what you have as real customers. That's the reality of life.(even more so on the Net.)

    If you had a responsive list of big buyers with money....that's a different story... but they aren't for sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author jimmcdonald909
    Actually it's a really stupid, newbie, dumb question. Just like 98%+ of newbie questions here.

    How do i..

    "how can I

    Show me
    do it for me
    tell me..."

    stop being spoon fed and find out for your-self.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omarkenawy
    It depends on how and from where were you collecting or building your subscribers list. If you were focusing on getting traffic to your squeeze pages from quality traffic sources like organic visits ( it`s the peak one) solo ads or swipe emails, then you will find that the average may reach up to $1 per subscriber.

    In other side, if you got the most majority of your list from traffic exchange websites, salelist websites or low quality traffic resources, then your average may be under $0.5 per person.

    The funnels you use to build your list may also affect the average value per subscriber
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Phillip Jackson View Post

      Maybe a better question would be..If I had a good offer with good content etc is it an UNREASONABLE goal to expect at least 1.00 per subscriber/month selling clickbank products etc to this list?

      Thanks
      Much better question.

      It's not an unreasonable goal at all.

      It might take some experimentation to find the right mix of content and offers for that particular list, but $1/month/sub is definitely doable.

      Talking stats, my guess is the the 'average' IM list is worth much less than the median for an IM list (half of all lists make more, half make less) given the number of '0' values that would go into calculating the average even if it could be done.
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