Are 'Guaranteed Clicks Solo Ads' a Scam?

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So I've been doing some research into solo ads for quite some time.

Spent money here and there to test out many things.

I've also looked deeply into the buyers and sellers of these so-called solo ads.

For those who don't know, if someone has an email list of 100,000 subscribers, you can buy a solo ad which will be a stand alone email of yours to be sent out to that list of 100,000.

Now to me, it makes no logical sense how anyone can GUARANTEE clicks.

Everyone seems to get their rocks off about guaranteed clicks, pointless leads, or non profitable sales.

What you need to be getting your rocks off on is profitable ROI.

You have no control whatsoever of your list and if they choose to open, or let alone, click the link inside.

You have absolutely no control on that.

Unless.....

You have full control of that list yourself.

After talking to many marketers, the closest any true honest marketer will say, is they have a good estimation on open rate, and possible clicks.

None of them ever send out an email to their list knowing they are going to get even one click.

They only have an assumed estimation.

Places like Udimi.

Don't waste your money.

You'll get clicks. You'll get leads that are useless. Depending on how much and often you spend, you might get a sale or two.

Just not enough to make a profit.

Let's paint that picture.

You: $500 solo ad budget

Me: Selling 1,000 clicks for $500

$0.50 per click. Not bad at all.

If I send your "solo ad" to my list of a million subscribers (supposedly)

I some how magically know that you'll get 1,000 clicks.

Because I'm a phsychic and all....

But we'll take it one step further.

Because you spent so much. I also know that you are selling a $47 product, with an upsell to another product for $197.


I go to my circle of scammy Solo ad sellers (more on this later)

I say I need a purchase of a product with the upswell.

The other party uses a system like HideMyAss, purchased your product and upsell, and you're happy ass hell.

- You paid for 1,000 clicks.
- You received a fair amount leads. Say, 200 leads. +$1.00 per lead.
- you also get one sale + an upsell. For a total of close to $250 (you can do the math for exact numbers....)

You walk away only having spent a little over $250 + plus a bunch of "leads". (More like dead end leads)

You think you scored pretty good buying the 1,000 leads for only $500, which only cost $250 after your sales.


And as for me... I walked away with:
- $250 in my pocket.
- You'll leave a glowing review for others to take part in my scam.

It's all smooth sailing for me and my fake clicks, leads, and sales.


So there you have it. Any real person with a real list cannot guarantee clicks.

Places like SelfGrowth.com or ArcaMax who have solo ads for $1,500 - $3,000 will NEVER

**Wait, I want to make sure you read that**


Places like SelfGrowth.com or ArcaMax who have solo ads for $1,500 - $3,000, will NEVER EVER at any point in their sales process, guarantee you clicks.

Why?

Because no really marketer with a real list can ever guarantee clicks.


Oh yeah, and if you look into the reviews of people on Udimi, you'll quickly see how those glowing reviews are from fellow solo ad sellers.

It's like a carnival and all the Carnies are backing everyone up to rip you off of your money.


What are your thoughts?

Maybe some folks who have extensive knowledge can put in some information about how one can guarantee the control of what their subscribers do on the other end of the internet.
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  • Profile picture of the author p30webhost
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by p30webhost View Post

      very good thank you
      This could be the best post on Warrior Forum of 2017.
      Thank you for contributing so much to our community.
      You should pat yourself on the back.
  • Profile picture of the author TOPLife Solo Ads
    You can guarantee clicks based on previous stats. If you know that your list converts at about 6% daily Click through rate then you know how many clicks you can sell, or how fast you can sell them.
    Anyhow, to send exactly 1000 clicks you don't need magic or to be a psychic, you just need to use Clickmagick or any tracking and redirecting service
    • Profile picture of the author heaththompson
      This is typical of all types of marketing and sale generation. I offer telemarketing to businesses and often win contracts that I have no experience in their specific field, but it makes very little difference, I know that I simply have to contact the people to find the one who is looking right now, or soon. It's the old saying "you have to put wood on the fire to make it burn."
  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    I think its very easy to guarantee clicks if you have a good baseline on how your lists responds to certain types of advertisements.

    If I have a list of lets say 100,000 subscribers, and any biz opp offer I send them generates me at least 10,000 clicks, and has done so for the last 4 years, offering 5000 guaranteed clicks would make perfect sense.

    And if for whatever reason something goes catastrophically wrong, I can always send them a partial of full refund to compensate them, no harm no foul.

    The main issue with solo ads is that many of the leads and clicks are the same leads that get pummeled with the same offers over and over again. On top of that, in my experience, most people who are buying solo ads dont have a clue how to write good copy or convert hot leads, therefore leaving them in the negative.

    People who truly understand lead generation do it themself, using a variety of traffic sources, including email, sms, social media, ppc, ppv and more. They generate their own leads and sell them their own products and services, or they sell the leads for cash, mostly depending on the niche and amount of fields gathered for each lead.

    Solo ads are just a big circle jerk in my opinion. I am sure plenty of people will disagree with me.
    • Profile picture of the author TOPLife Solo Ads
      I can understand your point of view and actually there is a lot of distrust in the industry given some wrong practices been applied by some vendors, but like in any kind of service, there are good vendors and bad vendors.

      The point is to find a good Solo Ad vendor, which means a real service provider focused on providing a honest and valuable service
  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Well if you have a good solo ad provider this thing will work
  • Profile picture of the author Ellen Chedid
    Excellent post. Thank you for the insight
  • Profile picture of the author p30webhost
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  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by mdallen View Post

      The OP has obviously never been around the solo ad industry and it is easy to distrust what we are ignorant of. Fear of the unknown is a very basic human quality. It is so weird that all the people making money online (Millionaires) swear by solo ads... I wonder how they made all that money getting scammed by solo ad folks? Maybe there are bad people around but there are plenty of good eggs out there too. Most solo ads over deliver. You can see a ton of solo ad sellers who have good reviews on Facebook. There are a ton of people reporting that they made more than they spent... This does not seem consistent with your OP. It sounds like you did not do research and just want to fear monger. This seems unkind to speak evil of people as a group without knowing them. I did some research and found these are the top trustworthy sellers
      Traffic Tutor: Top 10 Trustworthy Solo Ad Sellers
      Hope some of you run away from the fear and progress in 2017
      You make some great points.

      There's two big people who I know of who talk highly of Soloads, Matt Lloyd and Daegan Smith.

      Both highly recommend places like SelfGrowth and ArcaMax.

      Those are the two biggest they use.

      Neither of the two ever guarantee clicks. One video, Matt Lloyd even shows how he spent (I think) $1,000 and not one sale.

      They also talk about options maybe reaching about 25%. Definitely not 50-75%.

      Now I've seen that list of Solo Ads you provided I my research.

      I'm currently going to test out some.

      Here's what I find hilarious in many of the "reviews" from people.

      They'll put their stats like this.
      Clicks ordered: 200 (probably cost about $200)
      Clicks received: 250
      Optin Rate: 47%
      Sales: YES!! Or they'll say 3 Sales.


      Now why wouldn't they say that they made a profit?

      That's because none of them ever do.

      If you made a Profit, I'm sure many people would say that.

      So very few people ever do.

      That's because they probably did make one sale or maybe 3.

      But when your product only sells for $9.97, it's hard to be excited when you spent $200.

      I'll continue to throw money away if that's what it takes to get to the truth.

      Someone has to lead the way and if that means it has to be me, then so be it.

      When I do decide to fork out the money for SelfGrowth, I'll let you know how that goes.
  • Profile picture of the author martbost
    Just to put my 20 or 30 cents worth in on this thread...

    I have been a Solo provider for a few years now and have backed off of it simply because I am more focused on product creation and marketing to my lists with my preferred style.

    I can say that I have used Quality Click Control on dedicated hosting for a while and regularly offered Tier-1 guaranteed clicks as I had complete control over the country designations in the link management. Any non-tier 1 countries would be redirected to other campaigns that I was fulfilling orders for.

    The business of providing a guarantee of the clicks is quite possible by using the right rotators and click management solutions.

    My biggest obstacle during that time was keeping enough steady lead flow inbound daily to account for the wash rate of unsubscribes in some of my other list segments. I eventually moved towards grooming and maintaining my lists for my own use rather than "pimping out" my lists with other customer's offers.
    • Profile picture of the author Zoe_21
      Originally Posted by martbost;

      My biggest obstacle during that time was keeping enough steady lead flow inbound daily to account for the wash rate of unsubscribes in some of my other list segments. I eventually moved towards grooming and maintaining my lists for my own use rather than "pimping out" my lists with other customer's offers.
      Were the inbound lead flow aware (and agreed) that they were opting in to be pimped out for financial gain?
  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
    I see ones all the time with a ROI listed. The Facebook groups are called solo ad testimonials. You can guarantee clicks only if you know what percentage of your list will open and repeat until you deliver the quantity. That is why you never see clicks ordered 100 clicks deliver 100... There's usually some spill over because it is not an exact science without a crystal ball.... Solo ad people who under deliver don't end up staying in business...
    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Lol. That's exactly my point.

      Read those testimonials. They're garbage and pretty much tell you nothing.

      If you read between the lines you'll actually see that they say they made no profit.


      A good testimonial would be:

      I've ordered with Johns Solos for the past 6 months.

      I've invested $1,257 (screenshot of invoices)

      I've made over 500 leads for my business. (Screenshot of tracking link stats)

      2 of which I've personally brought into my business.

      I also made 27 sales for a total profit of $2,631 (screenshot of sales)



      Where are those reviews? There are no actual good reviews.

      There's only a smoke and mirror show going on, which I described in my original post, and good people are being taken advantage of.
  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
    The site does not allow that format. If everyone is losing money buying these ads, then they would stop. You can't keep putting money in forever without getting a return. I would never invest in something that I was losing money on for long term. How could I? Maybe we could start a new FB group solo ad testimonials with screenshots and sales info... That way we could see the truth very clearly. I think it is important to note they guarantee clicks not sales. If your site is not converting, no ad will help until it has what it needs to make sales
  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    Does not allow that format?

    That's fishy.

    Yes. Does not guarantee sales.

    However, clicks mean nothing. I can go o Fiverr and buy a million clicks if I wanted to.

    Those clicks need to lead to a 'lead', which would hopefully lead to a sale.

    If I'm investing $1,000 a month, and I return making back $500 in "sales" and dead beat leads.

    Spending that $500 a month is not working.

    I had a Magnetic Sponsoring (back before it was Elite Marketing Pro) account filled with leads and products.

    I eventually sold that account for about $1,000 or something. Was a few years back.


    The receiver got my products inside the account along with all of the leads and the recurring sales. (There was not a couple)

    I know what a good lead is and is not.

    I know when I see a smoke and mirror show going on.

    Right now I'm also testing banner ads. When those campaigns finish I'll let people know how that went and if it was profitable.

    From the many people I've talked with who have advertised SelfGrowth.com soloads.

    They've quite enjoyed it. A couple
    Have said they didn't get much out of it and a few have been advertising with them for years.

    This can be proven by being subscribed to the list and seeing the same ads from the same people every now and then.
  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    I just blew another $100 fr a
    So-called reputable source from the list you Provided me.

    This one is quite hilarious and such a total scam. They're not going to like the review I'll be leaving for them.

    I'll post more on the latest post I just made.

    It's not up yet but it's called

    How Solo Ads are scamming
    Your hard earned money

    Or something like that. It should be up soon.
  • Profile picture of the author p30webhost
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  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
    The reviews are not all from other solo ad providers. There are not secret meetings like the Masons or something. They just sell a service. If it did not work, people would stop using it and the service would die. I honestly believe the reviews are real. Another way to arrive at the truth is to private message some of the reviewers and ask for more details...
    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by mdallen View Post

      The reviews are not all from other solo ad providers. There are not secret meetings like the Masons or something. They just sell a service. If it did not work, people would stop using it and the service would die. I honestly believe the reviews are real. Another way to arrive at the truth is to private message some of the reviewers and ask for more details...

      As for the reviews.

      You provided a list yesterday which I seen before from my research. But yesterday I decided to test it out to prove my point.

      I chose #1.

      I read through all of the reviews. And proceeded with a 100 click package.

      I waited for my solo ad to be requested....

      She just went ahead and supposedly sent my link to her list. I didn't even see the ad.

      I don't know what it said or anything.

      *Red Flag*

      How does no one see this scam going on.

      Yes you get clicks.
      Yes you get leads.
      Yes you get sales.

      But when your clicks mean nothing. Go to fiverr and buy a million clicks if you want to get your rocks off.

      When your leads mean nothing and are dead end, you can have a list of ten million that's worth absolutely nothing.

      The sales never go over the top unless you're an avid buyer. They'll lose money on one or two of them to make you keep coming back.

      It's a beautiful scheme going on and we're going to blow the lid off this.

      Solo ads are a scam from 90% of providers who don't have real lists.

      As for the 10%. You'll pay dearly and you won't get any guarantees of clicks. They'll actually ask for your ad you want to send, but if your copy sucks.... you'll get nothing.


      This girl I threw my money away with, I didn't even have to write any copy.

      She was supposedly very reputable.

      Solo ads are a scam.

      Unless you are buying from actual sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
    You said Yes you get sales. If I get sales, scam me like that every day!!
    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by mdallen View Post

      You said Yes you get sales. If I get sales, scam me like that every day!!
      Are you serious!??!



      If you give me $1,000.

      I give you back $500.


      Want to continue playing this game?

      Because if so, I'm all for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author rritz
    When you put in an ad on facebook, google or bing you won't get any guarantee for sales either. If you pay per impression you won't even get a guarantee of clicks.

    Solo ads is just another way of generating traffic.

    I always wonder why people are happily throwing their money to adwords and getting 100% negative ROI but the second a solo ad does not produce sales they say it's a scam ..

    A campaign is a combination of a traffic source, a lander, a funnel and maybe a follow up email campaign
    Tons of things that can go wrong, tons of things to test and optimize. But if a solo ad doesn't convert it's fake traffic and bots.

    You can get crappy traffic from any source - meaning by that that the leads may not be targeted enough, they are oversaturated, they are just browsing and in no mood to buy or sign up for a list you are trying to build
    You can get traffic that doesn't convert because your landers or sales pages suck
    Your leads may not follow up with your emails because they are boring or because they simply never land in any inboxes but go straight to spam folders

    But hey, if you don't like solo ads then simply don't buy them. It's as easy as that. There are enough other ways of buying traffic.
    To say all solo ads are scam is simply wrong
    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by rritz View Post

      When you put in an ad on facebook, google or bing you won't get any guarantee for sales either. If you pay per impression you won't even get a guarantee of clicks.

      Solo ads is just another way of generating traffic.

      I always wonder why people are happily throwing their money to adwords and getting 100% negative ROI but the second a solo ad does not produce sales they say it's a scam ..

      A campaign is a combination of a traffic source, a lander, a funnel and maybe a follow up email campaign
      Tons of things that can go wrong, tons of things to test and optimize. But if a solo ad doesn't convert it's fake traffic and bots.

      You can get crappy traffic from any source - meaning by that that the leads may not be targeted enough, they are oversaturated, they are just browsing and in no mood to buy or sign up for a list you are trying to build
      You can get traffic that doesn't convert because your landers or sales pages suck
      Your leads may not follow up with your emails because they are boring or because they simply never land in any inboxes but go straight to spam folders

      But hey, if you don't like solo ads then simply don't buy them. It's as easy as that. There are enough other ways of buying traffic.
      To say all solo ads are scam is simply wrong


      Here's what's going on.

      I'll explain in simple terms.

      I'm giving you $100.

      You're giving me back $40.

      I continue to give you $100.

      You continue to give me back $40.


      If we do this enough, you'll even give me back all my $100 and maybe more.

      But only after I have given you $100 many more times.


      That's what's happening.
  • Profile picture of the author mdallen
    No one would keep paying money only to losing money. I guess I need crayons to explain to you. No one would give someone 100 to get back 50 over and over again. There is no way a scam like that could work. The only logical answer is that people are spending 100 to get 150 or 200. Otherwise no one would do it. You are determined to have your prejudice without any factual substantiation. Use your mind and think it through instead of being all emotional
    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by mdallen View Post

      No one would keep paying money only to losing money. I guess I need crayons to explain to you. No one would give someone 100 to get back 50 over and over again. There is no way a scam like that could work. The only logical answer is that people are spending 100 to get 150 or 200. Otherwise no one would do it. You are determined to have your prejudice without any factual substantiation. Use your mind and think it through instead of being all emotional
      Holy crap. You're ridiculous.


      Keep buying them.

      You probably sell them by the sounds of it.
    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by mdallen View Post

      No one would keep paying money only to losing money. I guess I need crayons to explain to you. No one would give someone 100 to get back 50 over and over again.
      In hope I'm not replying to a seller, in answer to your question; they don't.

      They (ideally), eventually come to their senses and stop, because they never make a profit.

      If they don't stop, they see it as a lottery in the sense that maybe the next one will be the winner - and some gamble a lot longer than others.

      You haven't made a profit using solo ad sellers and you never will - nor has anyone else. Business isn't that easy and no-one would exploit true, valuable lists.

      The main problem why people don't grasp the fact that the sign-up's they get are useless is because they expect the follow up offers to convert - and they never do. Sometime people mix up subscribers from many sources too.

      The advice you are receiving is quite literally a gift. It doesn't need a hard sell. Take heed and you'll avoid all detriments!
    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by mdallen View Post

      No one would keep paying money only to losing money. I guess I need crayons to explain to you. No one would give someone 100 to get back 50 over and over again. There is no way a scam like that could work. The only logical answer is that people are spending 100 to get 150 or 200. Otherwise no one would do it. You are determined to have your prejudice without any factual substantiation. Use your mind and think it through instead of being all emotional
      Are you kidding me?

      Do you know how many gullible people there are in this world to exploit?

      We have not even spoken about the fake and bot clicks many of these providers use?

      On top of that, if everyone was making money with solo ads, nobody would be complaining.

      There are so many people so desperate to get out of the 9-5 and make money on the side, and there are all these people preying on them, and ripping them off.

      Facebook and other paid traffic sources have crappy traffic too, but at least, with some strong optimizations and cutting out bad traffic sources, you can create profitable campaigns fairly easy.

      Solo ads just mean you have to trust the person to send you good traffic, which 99% of the time is the same traffic being sold over and over and over and over again to other people.

      Here is why people run Solo Ads, because they can charge $.50 a click to other users to buy them. If they were to run their list to any other biz opp or mlm opportunity at a CPA Network, their EPC would be under $.05, and likely under $.01, just proving the fact that these lists are dead and filled with users who sign up for anything and rarely convert or spend any money on the backend.
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  • Profile picture of the author robyoder
    Hey Guys Most Solo ads providers like myself . We don't have huge email list and mass mail ,hoping to get clicks .

    No we sell per click like .35 per click . So 100 clicks would be $35 and most ever body gives 10% over delivery. So u get 110 clicks.

    This is how I look at it . It's advertising. Somebody reads a email talking about making money online ,they click the link and go see what it is .
    Now it's your Job to have a high converting funnel in place. To make profit.
    Think for a second if a solo ad was always profitable would there be solo ad sellers ? No they would just send straight to offers themselves .
    It's just a advertising solution . No scam . Now there are some questionable sellers so do your research before buying!

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