How Solo Ads Are Scamming Your Hard Earned Money

by Nathan Isaac 111 replies
I recently wrote a post about Solo Ads called:
Are 'Guaranteed Clicks Solo Ads' A Scam?

You can search for it.

I was looking around for different ways to promote my Affiliate product Elite Marketing Pro.

Heard of Solo Ads a while back.

Bought a few courses regarding the type of adversing from such big names like Matt Lloyd and Daegan Smith.

Both had mentioned SelfGrowth.com for Solo Ads.

The only problem is it costs $1,500 - $3,000 for a solo ad, with NO guaranteed clicks.

I know what you're thinking.

"That's hogwash! No guaranteed clicks for a price like that!?"

That's right. Not one guarantee of even the slightest of a click.

But stay with me as you hear why.

These solo ad providers you see on Warrior and places like Safeswaps or Udimi. Think of them like carnies at the Carnival.

You know the games you walk by and they're trying to get you to lose some money.

"Hey sweetheart, got 300 top tier clicks with your name on it for $200"

They're all intertwined with one another.

Many of them leave the really glowing reviews for each other.

They know you'll lose money, but they make it so that it looks like you walked away a winner.

You get the Pink Unicorn to give to your mate.

Let's say you're walking by and one catches your eye with a delicious offer of 1,000 clicks for only $250 GUARANTEED.

You think just how amazing if you could get your offer in front of 1,000 people.

You'd have to make a sale for sure.

*oh you definitely do! That's their secret*


So you have a product for sale worth $50.

You take up the Carnie on his offer for 1,000 clicks for only $250.

A few days later you see a whole bunch of leads show up, and you even walk away with 2 sales!

That's $100!!

Plus all the leads you got.

What an amazing deal!!

*This is what I like to call the smoke and mirror show and this is where the magic happens* But not for you.

You run back to your friends howling in excitement about all your new leads and the two sales you made.

You follow up with your leads, only to hit a dead end with all of them.

The carnie comes back with an even sweeter deal.

5,000 clicks for $900 guaranteed 90% top tier.

Wow! How can you turn that deal down.

"Just imagine..... 5,000 people who see my offer."

This time you get 6 sales of $50.

Plus one upswell worth $300

Wow! That's amazing!!

"I made $600!! Plus a tonne of leads!"

You run off again in excitement about your sales and leads (that lead to know where)

You seem to forget the $300 you lost.

Now you tell your friends.

Your friend comes along and repeats the same process you just endured.

Which he then tells his friends and they tell their friends.

Resulting in 100's if not 1,000's of people running to play the carnies game.


The carnie made $150 off of you the first time and then $300 the second time. For a total of $450.

Now multiply that by 10 people who came to play the game after you shared your excitement.

The carnie walks away with $4,500.

All while everyone else walked away losing a total of $4,500.

But it was made to look like they actually made way with so much more. When in fact they actually didn't.


This is smoke and mirror show that's been happening and will continue to happen, unless we put a stop to this.

You can guess how many clicks you might receive, but you can never guarantee clicks.

You can only guess. So anyone who is guaranteeing clicks, should be approached with caution.

Places like ArcaMax, or SelfGrowth cost that much because you get real people and real people are random.

That's why you'll never get guaranteed clicks from real solo ad providers.

How can this be proven?

Buy a solo ad and write your title "open me"

In the solo ad, write:

Click the link below.


Watch how you magically get 100's of clicks.

You can write the absolutely worst copy, and you'll still get clicks.

Try that with a real solo ad provider.

You cannot guarantee clicks. You can only at best, guess but with the buyer knowing that's a guess based on previous stats.

You're better off cutting out the middle man and going straight to Fiverr.com and ordering top tier leads and clicks.

Then taking the rest of the $450 you would have given the Carnie, you give to your friend and say, I need you to buy this product from my site.


This is a complete smoke and mirror show.

Snake oil at its finest.

The purest of pure snake oil.

Not only have they sold ice to the Eskimos, they sold them a damn ice maker too so they can have ice all year round....

Keep your money.

Only go to places like ArcaMax or Selfgrowth and many of the other reputable solo ad providers.

Thoughts, comments, and even hate is welcome.

The more the merrier, please
#email marketing #ads #earned #hard #money #scamming #solo
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  • Profile picture of the author Orion3003
    You're very correct, and even though people find this hard to swallow, its the truth. There are no guarantees with any sort off paid traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    Any mailer that knows their data can estimate the response rate fairly well, be it clicks and even conversions.

    So solo sellers can guarantee clicks and if they fall short, they simply will resend a list or portion, another list, those that didn't open, etc, etc... whatever it takes to get the guaranteed amount of clicks offered.

    I don't understand why you think it's a scam.

    I don't sell solo ads, so I'm in no way bias one way or another if someone buys them or doesn't. Just stating the obvious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      "I don't understand why you think it's a scam."

      I just wrote an entire post talking about why Solo Ads are a scam.

      I even explained in pretty good detail how the entire smoke and mirror show works.

      I bought one the other day for $100. I might as well have flushed it down the toilet. Probably would have enjoyed it more.

      I bought a package of 100 clicks from a well know girl with many reviews.

      After making the payment, I awaited the email that asked for my solo ad......

      My solo ad that I wrote was never asked for. She took my $100 and my link and put it through her scammy system.

      She's not going to like my review when I write it.

      That's why solo ads are a scam.

      Wait.... I mean real marketers who have real lists and provide real solo ads are the best. Expensive but the best.

      None of which will ever guarantee you clicks either.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    I think I'll do some Facebook advertising to share this post. More people
    Need to know this before losing their money.
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  • Profile picture of the author wentzco
    Now Nathan - you overlooked a scam that I have caught people with 3 times now.

    I use double-optin & those that scam people with fake email accounts don't confirm their opt-ins.

    Yes there are legit solo ad sellers. Here is what usually happens with me because I have a double opt-in. Example of a legitimate seller from who I buy 100 clicks & they send 109 clicks in a fast time - I get 23 confirmed with double opt-in shortly with another 23 pending. In a few hours about 12 of those 23 that were pending confirm so I have 35% opt-in. (30-45% is typical depending on seller). 2-3 more confirmations usually trickle in the next day.

    Bogus solo ad sellers would have 0 of those 46 subscribers confirm.

    Because so many people don't use double optin autoresponders... these scammers get away with it often with a positive review. This includes positive reviews from other solo ad sellers who themselves unknowingly were getting scammed. Of course all these positive reviews just cause more people to get scammed. I even caught someone at safe-swaps a while back doing this scam. I guess it wasn't even "safe" there.

    Subscribers you get that buy something is what that counts. I have seen a couple people who have provided stats from solo ad purchases which included subscriber #s & those that actually made purchases. If I remember it wasn't solo ad sellers with the highest subscription rates that actually produced buyers. So not all solo ad sellers are selling junk clicks but I've come to the conclusion that most are. The quality is not as good as it should be for the costs IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zoe_21
    Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac;

    Keep your money. Only go to places like ArcaMax or Selfgrowth and many of the other reputable solo ad providers.
    These two mentioned sites - are they def solo ad providers?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by Zoe_21 View Post

      These two mentioned sites - are they def solo ad providers?


      Yes but they'll cost you. They're expensive.

      I've been on their lists for a while and I see the solo ads and sponsored ads from them.

      I usually message the website owner of the solo ad and ask what they thought of the solo ad.

      Some are recurring customers (probably $1,500 per solo ad)

      Others was a one time deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    For an easy to understand picture of what's happening.

    If you give me $1,000

    And I give you back $500.

    Are you winning?

    Want to play again? I might even give you back $750 this time though.


    You might as well skip the bs and just ask for their email to send them money for nothing.


    That's what's happening. You're giving them money. They're making it look like you got something from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author psod
    Nathan, Where's the scam? I think you are misrepresenting the issue and what you are telling everyone is a scam. I've been selling Internet clicks (the result of Solo ads) for five months. I have an experienced mentor who trained me. There are testimonials written to praise my results in the FB Solo Ads Testimonials group and the FB Solo Ads Sales Testimonials group. I started from zero and now I have nearly 8 ,000 names and emails on my subscriber lists. Some people subscribe, unsubscribe, and complain every day. My name, email, and snail mail address are on every email, as is a button to unsubscribe. I have subscribers joining my lists every hour of every day. I don't force or coerce the subscribers; in order to sign up they must leave their name and email address of their own accord on one of my optin forms (and I have several connected with various offers); if they wish to stay on my list, they will receive emails sent on autopilot and by broadcast from me every day, sometime twice a day. When I sell clicks to a client, I can neither guarantee optins nor signups; however, only rarely has there been a client that has complained about a lack of quality. If I buy top tier clicks from a vendor that offers 40% optin, it is because they keep giving me clicks until I have received the amount purchased and 40% of those people have signed up on my optin page. There is no harm in this, no scam, and if the vendor wishes to give me more clicks to guarantee me an agreed amount of optins, what is the harm? If someone complains to me, then I give them more clicks. Clients only rarely ask to send their own solo ad. The messages that I send to my list daily are designed to do the same thing, to get people to click to my solo ad rotator which sends them to an offer that they can participate in or not depending on their interest. I do participate in clickbanking with verified sellers (in which I involuntarily send 200 clicks to another verified seller and he involuntarily gives me 200 clicks that I have never had). The process is akin a beehive and bees going in and out. I control the amount leaving and enter, but I don't control the bees. When I want more bees to leave I rile them up with solo ads, and they get "sent" to another hive. But they leave on their own and they go where they want. I do give 10% over delivery (OD) which is the industry standard amount intended to offset the quantity of unintentionally sent false clicks sent through a tracking software (Clickmagick) and the amount requested by the client. I can produce a record of the IP address and date for every click in my system. I do know that persons sign up on my optin pages more than once , some as many as 6 or 7 times, but their names and emails do not go on my list more a single time. I don't know why those people do it, but there are a lot of them. Perhaps it is a sickness or addiction they have, needing to feel like they are getting something for free multiple times. I think the argument about double optin is ridiculous, about as ridiculous as saying that that you smoke and don't know that it's giving you cancer. if you sign up for an offer online, you are telling a vendor that you want to receive information about goods of interest. If that vendor should send you an offer that is different from the one he/she sells and you click on it out of interest, and sign up on another site with new interest in another product, service, or information piece, and as a result you become lodged on another and another and another email list and receive additional offers, whose fault is that? Yours. Where is the scam? Best, Peter
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by psod View Post

      Nathan, Where's the scam? I think you are misrepresenting the issue and what you are telling everyone is a scam. I've been selling Internet clicks (the result of Solo ads) for five months. I have an experienced mentor who trained me. There are testimonials written to praise my results in the FB Solo Ads Testimonials group and the FB Solo Ads Sales Testimonials group. I started from zero and now I have nearly 8 ,000 names and emails on my subscriber lists. Some people subscribe, unsubscribe, and complain every day. My name, email, and snail mail address are on every email, as is a button to unsubscribe. I have subscribers joining my lists every hour of every day. I don't force or coerce the subscribers; in order to sign up they must leave their name and email address of their own accord on one of my optin forms (and I have several connected with various offers); if they wish to stay on my list, they will receive emails sent on autopilot and by broadcast from me every day, sometime twice a day. When I sell clicks to a client, I can neither guarantee optins nor signups; however, only rarely has there been a client that has complained about a lack of quality. If I buy top tier clicks from a vendor that offers 40% optin, it is because they keep giving me clicks until I have received the amount purchased and 40% of those people have signed up on my optin page. There is no harm in this, no scam, and if the vendor wishes to give me more clicks to guarantee me an agreed amount of optins, what is the harm? If someone complains to me, then I give them more clicks. Clients only rarely ask to send their own solo ad. The messages that I send to my list daily are designed to do the same thing, to get people to click to my solo ad rotator which sends them to an offer that they can participate in or not depending on their interest. I do participate in clickbanking with verified sellers (in which I involuntarily send 200 clicks to another verified seller and he involuntarily gives me 200 clicks that I have never had). The process is akin a beehive and bees going in and out. I control the amount leaving and enter, but I don't control the bees. When I want more bees to leave I rile them up with solo ads, and they get "sent" to another hive. But they leave on their own and they go where they want. I do give 10% over delivery (OD) which is the industry standard amount intended to offset the quantity of unintentionally sent false clicks sent through a tracking software (Clickmagick) and the amount requested by the client. I can produce a record of the IP address and date for every click in my system. I do know that persons sign up on my optin pages more than once , some as many as 6 or 7 times, but their names and emails do not go on my list more a single time. I don't know why those people do it, but there are a lot of them. Perhaps it is a sickness or addiction they have, needing to feel like they are getting something for free multiple times. I think the argument about double optin is ridiculous, about as ridiculous as saying that that you smoke and don't know that it's giving you cancer. if you sign up for an offer online, you are telling a vendor that you want to receive information about goods of interest. If that vendor should send you an offer that is different from the one he/she sells and you click on it out of interest, and sign up on another site with new interest in another product, service, or information piece, and as a result you become lodged on another and another and another email list and receive additional offers, whose fault is that? Yours. Where is the scam? Best, Peter
      Where is the scam?


      Okay. I don't know how much more clear I can make this.

      I give someone $1,000.

      They then give me in return $500.

      Am I winning? How long can I last with this?


      That's basically what's happening here with solo ads from places like Clickonomy, Udimi, and safe swaps.


      Why do people buy clicks?

      To get their product in front of people.

      Why do they want that?

      To get leads.

      Why do they want that?

      To get sales?

      Why does that matter?

      So they can eventually make enough sales to leave their job and work from home.




      That's why they buy solo ads and clicks.

      However, if they are going with the marketing plan of "I give you $1,000, you give me back $500"

      They're never going to reach the goals they hope for.

      They don't realize the clicks are fake.

      They don't realize the leads are dead end.

      They don't realize the sales are nothing except the seller giving you back some
      Of what you gave to them.


      It's a smoke and mirror show only
      To make you feel like you won at the carnival game.

      But you didn't.

      You've lost every time.

      Every. Single. Time.


      It's a terrible scam and good people are being taken advantage of every single money of the day.

      While people laugh all the way to the bank.
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      • Profile picture of the author psod
        Nathan, This part "They don't realize the sales are nothing except the seller giving you back some if what you gave to them. " is false if the seller uses SmartSwap setting in their tracking software. If I trade with someone, then I don't want them to give me something I already received from them another time. Using the SmartSwap setting in Clickmagick avoids this issue. Yes, I do know that it does not work across from seller to a different seller, but the autoresponder companies do not permit multiple entries of subscribers on their lists. Now there is no issue. Sure, many solo ad providers don't use tracking software that offers these controls, but that is their problem. The duplication stops with the autoresponder company.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    After doing some more research into seeing if most solo ads are legitimate or fake, I found an interesting thing.


    I started reading the reviews in the Facebook groups Solo Ads testimonials.

    In total the number of members for all groups is just shy of 50,000 members.


    They are very strict on how you Share your reviews.

    Some only allow you to share if you had sales.

    Remember, sales don't matter if you
    Don't make a profit. (You give me $1,000, I give you back $500. You lose)


    After contacting many of the people who left reviews.

    I quickly found out that many of them sold solo ads themselves.

    Remember how I said Solo ad vendors are like Carnies at the carnival?

    They stick together and most likely have a Carnie Code (AKA: The Simpsons)


    If you look at the really
    Big purchases people had

    1,000 up to 10,000 clicks.

    Those reviewers are solo ad sellers themselves.

    It's a carnival game at its finest.

    Then the everyday people read these reviews thinking they're getting
    Something of value.

    So they give away $100 only
    To be given back $40.

    Wow! Way to go!

    Care to try your luck again??
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    Is something interesting.

    Ever since the excitement with my post. *This one*

    I've contacted some buyers and they've all retracted wanting my business.

    They wanted it but then all of a sudden they don't anymore.

    Not only that, I've been blocked from the Solo Ads Testimonials Facebook group.


    Their scheme is starting to come undone.

    That's okay. I'll leave a detailed review on Warrior forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author psod
      I still think you're misrespresenting the issue. You say someone gives us $1000 and we give them $500. I'm sorry, but it doesn't work like that. Let's get right to the issue. We're not talking about money; we're talking about value of goods paid versus value of goods received. Why? Because if someone gives me $100 it is conceivable that I will return to them $300, if and only if the sales funnel employed at the buyer's side returns sufficient value for the clicks returned. If the sales funnel on the buyer's side does not return sufficient value to liquidate the cost (and value) of the advertising spend, then the buyer may think they were ripped off, when in fact it really shows that they didn't work hard enough to test their own funnel to ensure that their return would be higher. I've been in sales a long time, long enough to know that some people buy right away and some people don't buy within the same amount of time because they've not been shown sufficient value to compel a sale. I've done email, cold calling, knocking on doors, and postal mail since I was 11 years old. People buy for various reasons unrelated to the ones you would normally expect. Nathan, your argument is poorly constructed because you are assuming that we sellers understand the value of the click before the sale. I'm sure there are snake oil salesmen among us, but I think the majority of us are going with the flow, selling clicks because people think they offer more value. There are some important points that no one talks about that even you neither know or don't talk about. When someone comes to me to a seller to buy solo ad clicks and they want to buy more than be produced by that seller, then the seller outsources that need for clicks. So if you come to me and want to buy 300 clicks of 100T1 () and I have a small list of 10,000 (which will produce 100 clicks internally per day ($195 at $0.65cpc)), then I will sell you 300 clicks (my own 100 and 200 more that I have outsourced from the community of sellers for $70-80 and I will still generate a profit. Where's the scam? This is called business or arbitrage. We buy something for less and sell it for more. We are successful at that because the perceived value of the clicks or actual value of those clicks is quite high (because of the value achieved by the buyer's funnel). To return to your argument, if you think that the solo ad seller gives back less value in each sale, the validity of that assumption depends on the ability of the funnel to produce or offer value (it's ability to self-liquidate). So your argument, though interesting, is flawed because you're not recognizing that the value of solo ad sale is dependent on the buyer, not the seller.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
        Okay..... Let's try this again.


        People are looking for traffic. Facebook PPC is complicated for them, expensive and no guarantees.

        SEO takes to long and people are looking for sales.

        Many other options cost too much for a lot of uncertainty if anyone will click or even convert or buy.


        Then those people see these things called "Solo ads".

        They start seeing all of the "reviews" of people with clicks, leads and even sales.

        They get excited because they're guaranteed traffic.

        They read all of the reviews so they take a bit of their advertising budget, and probably start with $100.

        They buy a package deal.

        The seller, plays the smoke and mirrors show, or the carnival game and makes it LOOK like the person is a winner.

        They get traffic (garbage)
        They get leads. (dead end)
        They get sales. (Less than they purchased of course. This sale is only to make the person feel like it was worth it.)

        The buyer is now all excited. Traffic, Leads, and sales!!

        So they go again.

        This time bigger. They read all of the reviews of people who have bought 1,000's of clicks and are happy.

        What they don't realize is most of those reviews are from other solo ad providers. They're all in on the scam

        This person continues to buy and "win" and the seller can manipulate it so much that the person comes back.

        Let's say the seller already did this to 20 people and has made a total of $2,500 profit.

        The 21st person come along and buys a package for $200.

        The seller manipulates this one so they get $700 in sales.

        Imagine the review left by this customer.

        While the seller still walks away with $2,000 profit.

        Now because of this latest glowing review from the 21st customer, a huge flood of customers start coming in.

        The scam repeats itself over and over.

        Taking advantage of people again and again.

        Most reviewers of soloads are by other soloed sellers. Especially when you see people buying up to 10,000 clicks.

        Those are to fool the public.
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        • Profile picture of the author psod
          There is something that you're not getting Nathan. Almost no one buys on their first trip to the carnival. they buy after they have seen an ad several times, sometimes 7-8 times is necessary before they buy the product. That's why the money is in backend sales not in frontend sales. I can almost guarantee you that each time I buy 200 clicks from a particular seller at Udimi that I will get a sale, but I don't usually get 4 or 7 sales (though sometimes this happens). Now the fact that these frontend sales don't liquidate my adspend is not the fault of the seller. So trying to make the seller look badly doesn't work with me, because the seller doesn't know which part of his list is going choose to migrate to the buyers offer. I can tell you which part of my list has not opened for 1 month or more, and even if I write tons of solo ads they're still not going to open. So because they don't open, there is no way for me to sell them to a client. Your argument assumes that we sellers sell dead leads to our customers but we can't sell any clicks to anyone if that click does not respond to an offer. We don't manufacture sales. We can't and if we could, do you really think we'd be waiting around for someone to buy them? No, we would be using them ourselves. So, your argument is a non-argument for me. If you're upset that you didn't have enough front end sales or make enough back from your ad-spend, I suggest you work harder to create a more valuable offer that will be of sufficient interest for someone to purchase. Everybody has needs/desires, and has a price at which they will purchase to fill those needs. The fact that you don't or can't create a funnel or product of sufficient value that our solo ad audience lists will feel are attractive enough to buy to fill their needs is not mine nor my colleagues faults. While I will agree that there is sometimes a mismatch between the value of the front-end subscribers and ad-spend, I am adamant that there is no scam here and no one is intentionally bilking anyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arowan
    Like in every business, unfortunately there are people that will try to scam you.
    But you won't say all the industry is scam or fake if you are cheated by few people.
    So why you're doing that for solo ads?

    Before you buy, do your research. There are many solo ad groups on Facebook with lots of honest testimonials. There are even groups with sales testimonials.

    Also, you need to make sure that your product is good and legit and that you have a good email sequence in place. Your new subscribers need to know you and trust you before they start to buy from you more expensive stuff. If you don't have that in place, even the best traffic sent to your offer will never convert.

    It looks like you thought after you buy clicks and send them to your offer you will immediately make money. Those days are long gone. You need to work for that, test, improve and then test and improve even more.

    But, if you do your research and use a little common sense in the process, you will easily find lots of legit solo ad sellers from who you'll want to buy again.

    Hope this helped
    All the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    Ohhhhh, this one is getting juicy!
    I am popping my popcorn.

    I hate solo ads, but I am going to sideline and watch this one continue to unfold.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

      Ohhhhh, this one is getting juicy!
      I am popping my popcorn.

      I hate solo ads, but I am going to sideline and watch this one continue to unfold.
      Yes please stay for this show as we blow the lid off of this

      Solo Ads Scam. <--- keyword 😉
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Baxter
    I don't come to this section often but this thread is good lol..
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    There's one thing You're not getting.

    That's most of the reviews are from other solo ads sellers.

    I have screenshot and screenshot of people who say they bought 1,000s of clicks, one even said 10,000 clicks.

    After messaging Them and asking if they sold solo ads.....

    Can you guess what they said
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    "I can almost guarantee you that each time I buy 200 clicks from a particular seller at Udimi that I will get a sale, but I don't usually get 4 or 7 sales"




    I can guarantee you that too!! That's what I'm saying.

    You give $1,000.

    They give you back $500 in sales.

    You walk away THINKING you're a winner.

    I'm sorry but you're not.

    They bent you over.

    Tied your wrists to your ankles and had their way with you.

    These people are taking advantage of good people. They all know it and they don't care.

    Good hardworking people are falling for the fake reviews.

    They fall for the dead end leads and the fake sales.

    It's about time someone exposed this lie.
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    • Profile picture of the author psod
      But the crux of your assumption is that this is being done intentionally (e.g. a scam), and I for one don't believe it is possible to cheat the system in the way that you represent it (if we are doing our business the way it is supposed to be done). However, your model also assumes that the front end sales will always beat the adspend and it will not. If front end sales were the way of the world, then no vendor would only charge $4-7 bucks for the front end. Do you think sellers are intentionally saying oh I need to add in a couple buyers to this run so that there will be at least one sale. I'm sorry, it doesn't work like that. I would certainly love to make sure the front end results could always be better than the adspend, but no one has any control over that, neither the seller nor the buyer.
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      • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
        Originally Posted by psod View Post

        But the crux of your assumption is that this is being done intentionally (e.g. a scam), and I for one don't believe it is possible to cheat the system in the way that you represent it (if we are doing our business the way it is supposed to be done). However, your model also assumes that the front end sales will always beat the adspend and it will not. If front end sales were the way of the world, then no vendor would only charge $4-7 bucks for the front end. Do you think sellers are intentionally saying oh I need to add in a couple buyers to this run so that there will be at least one sale. I'm sorry, it doesn't work like that. I would certainly love to make sure the front end results could always be better than the adspend, but no one has any control over that, neither the seller nor the buyer.
        The only reason solo ad sellers sell to other gullible people is because they can charge $.50 a click. Compared to the measly $.05 or below EPC they would see if they were actually running other comparable offers.

        I have worked in the email marketing game for a long long long time, and I can run most CPA offers and achieve EPC that is well beyond $.50.

        Further to that, why would anyone who can run any offer successfully, wait for people to come and buy their clicks, then they could be running other offer 247 and be making money that way every minute of every single day.

        Fighting with other solo ads providers to take people for a couple of times at $.50 a click, and monetize them for maybe $500 max before they move on, just does not make sense.

        if solo ad sellers had real high quality lists and traffic, they would be monetizing it themselves all the time, but as we all know, this is simply not the case.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
          Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

          The only reason solo ad sellers sell to other gullible people is because they can charge $.50 a click. Compared to the measly $.05 or below EPC they would see if they were actually running other comparable offers.

          I have worked in the email marketing game for a long long long time, and I can run most CPA offers and achieve EPC that is well beyond $.50.

          Further to that, why would anyone who can run any offer successfully, wait for people to come and buy their clicks, then they could be running other offer 247 and be making money that way every minute of every single day.

          Fighting with other solo ads providers to take people for a couple of times at $.50 a click, and monetize them for maybe $500 max before they move on, just does not make sense.

          if solo ad sellers had real high quality lists and traffic, they would be monetizing it themselves all the time, but as we all know, this is simply not the case.

          I like what you said,
          "if solo ad sellers had real high quality lists and traffic, they would be monetizing it themselves all the time, but as we all know, this is simply not the case"

          But they don't. They make their money by running their solo ads scam.
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by psod View Post

        But the crux of your assumption is that this is being done intentionally (e.g. a scam), and I for one don't believe it is possible to cheat the system in the way that you represent it (if we are doing our business the way it is supposed to be done). However, your model also assumes that the front end sales will always beat the adspend and it will not. If front end sales were the way of the world, then no vendor would only charge $4-7 bucks for the front end. Do you think sellers are intentionally saying oh I need to add in a couple buyers to this run so that there will be at least one sale. I'm sorry, it doesn't work like that. I would certainly love to make sure the front end results could always be better than the adspend, but no one has any control over that, neither the seller nor the buyer.
        The non-reliance upon front end sales is the very clincher that the entire system rests upon - and exactly how it's still fooling people today.

        People don't worry or complain because they assume that the sales (and the profits) will come in time with their follow up offers, but they never do and the initial solo purchase is long since forgotten.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          The non-reliance upon front end sales is the very clincher that the entire system rests upon - and exactly how it's still fooling people today.

          People don't worry or complain because they assume that the sales (and the profits) will come in time with their follow up offers, but they never do and the initial solo purchase is long since forgotten.
          This summed everything up perfectly. Thank you.
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          • Profile picture of the author psod
            Perhaps so, but there is no scam. The fact that followup is necessary is already understood by all parties in the solo-ad industry and many others. As a cold caller, I made 50 calls a day via Skype looking for a front-end agreement with the responder that they would take a call from salespersons to discuss solutions to their business needs -- this is called B2B appointment setting. The front-end appointment like the $4-7 FE for a Warrior or JVZoo offer is just a foot in the door, and the back-end sales to sell medical coding, MMO, or whatever was the product or service sold, was where the money was. It's not a scam; it's a way of doing business. As an Edward Jones financial rep I needed to knock on 30 doors a day looking for people willing to take followup calls or appointments with an financial adviser. The front-end "sale" or accomplishment was vital to the back-end "sales". What's going on here with solo-ad sales is the same thing is the same thing as what is going on in other business opportunities, except that some of us (including Nathan, here) have got it in our heads that the value of the front-end proceeds must exceed the value in the back-end, and that's just not the case. There may be misunderstanding, miscommunication, and ignorance involved, but the front-end sale is almost never going to exceed the adspend (and certainly never with the cases of dime-sale-type Warriorplus offers). But this is already known and the buyer of these solo-ad clicks has to already know how many FE sales must be made to accommodate their adspend. I fail to see any scam. Those of us who are selling already know this and what to do we do? We recoup the difference in other ways: CPA, CPL, PPC, affiliate marketing, etc. We monetize what we can through clicks and the rest as needed through other mechanisms. Perhaps a some percentage of solo ad sellers are doing the job like a 'carnival 'as Nathan describes it, but I haven't seen any of this.
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            • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
              Originally Posted by psod View Post

              Perhaps so, but there is no scam. The fact that followup is necessary is already understood by all parties in the solo-ad industry and many others. As a cold caller, I made 50 calls a day via Skype looking for a front-end agreement with the responder that they would take a call from salespersons to discuss solutions to their business needs -- this is called B2B appointment setting. The front-end appointment like the $4-7 FE for a Warrior or JVZoo offer is just a foot in the door, and the back-end sales to sell medical coding, MMO, or whatever was the product or service sold, was where the money was. It's not a scam; it's a way of doing business. As an Edward Jones financial rep I needed to knock on 30 doors a day looking for people willing to take followup calls or appointments with an financial adviser. The front-end "sale" or accomplishment was vital to the back-end "sales". What's going on here with solo-ad sales is the same thing is the same thing as what is going on in other business opportunities, except that some of us (including Nathan, here) have got it in our heads that the value of the front-end proceeds must exceed the value in the back-end, and that's just not the case. There may be misunderstanding, miscommunication, and ignorance involved, but the front-end sale is almost never going to exceed the adspend (and certainly never with the cases of dime-sale-type Warriorplus offers). But this is already known and the buyer of these solo-ad clicks has to already know how many FE sales must be made to accommodate their adspend. I fail to see any scam. Those of us who are selling already know this and what to do we do? We recoup the difference in other ways: CPA, CPL, PPC, affiliate marketing, etc. We monetize what we can through clicks and the rest as needed through other mechanisms. Perhaps a some percentage of solo ad sellers are doing the job like a 'carnival 'as Nathan describes it, but I haven't seen any of this.

              Is this guy serious.....


              **Brings out the crayons**

              Okay how do we even explain this even more clear?

              I'll see if I can.

              It's already been explained above but maybe that was to difficult to understand.


              You: Want traffic. Want leads. Want sales.

              ME: I sell solo ads. (Apparently) at least that's what I tell you. You'll get clicks guaranteed. Might get leads and hopefully sales.

              But from my many solo ads scam reviews, you'll see many of my happy customers got many leads (though dead end) and many received sales (but that's only to make them feel like they're winning when in fact they are not.)

              Also, you don't know but many of my reviews are from other carnies *cough* I mean solo ad sellers. But that's my little secret that you won't know. They're just there to make you think someone actually bought 10,000 clicks.


              You: Take me up on my desirable offer. Let's say $200 for 500 clicks.

              Me: Already laughing all the way to the bank because you just dropped your drawers and I'm about to have my way with you.

              I put your solo ad through my list. (Even though I didn't event take a written solo ad from you. I just magically pulled one out of my *exploitive deleted* and sent it to my list because I'm a master copywriter and my copy gets guaranteed clicks and opens every time.

              You: Within hours if not minutes, you start seeing a flood of traffic.

              Soon after a flood of leads start pouring in.

              Then all of a sudden A SALE!!!

              Your heart starts racing. You feel the adrenaline pumping. Thoughts of living the beach life start to flood your mind. Could this be it? Could these solo ads be your ticket to paradise??

              Then all of a sudden another sale!!

              Then another!

              And another!!

              Woah! I've lost count to how many sales that is.

              *but when your offer only sells for $7, it's not that exciting*

              Me: I think about how much do I want to make off of you. So I say about $100. So I throw a few more sales your way.


              You: SALE! SALE!! SALE!!!

              You start jumping and skipping around the house. You're so excited.


              After a while when all the guaranteed clicks have been reached. Everything starts to die down.


              You feel like you just had the best sex ever. You're exhausted from all the excitement.

              You roll over and light up a smoke. That was amazing.


              You put in $200 and have a tonne of leads and got $100 back in sales.

              You think your marketing efforts was so worth it, because just think of the money that's going to be made when my followup emails start flowing.

              Me: Trying to keep a straight face, I ask you how it went. Like I just gave you the best orgasm of your life.


              You: Don't realize that all those leads will lead to nowhere. They're called leads because they're hopefully going to lead to a sale. That's a fun fact you can tell your friends.

              However, these leads don't and won't ever lead to a sale. They only lead to a dead end. You'll soon find that out.

              As for the sales, hopefully they buy more because it's easier to sell to an existing customer than trying to create a new one.

              That's another fun fact you can tell your friends next time you're out for a drink.


              Me: I ask if you can leave a review.

              You: Leave a glowing review of having just received the best sex ever in your life and you're thinking of going again once you gather yourself together.

              And so you do a few days later. This time you put in a little more $500.

              Me: Biggest grin on my face. Let's go again.



              Imagine when ten other people come through my doors. I continue to make a profit.

              They continue to lose money.

              They continue to receive dead end leads. And only front end sales and never upsells or purchases after the initial lead signup.


              The sales are only to make the buyer THINK they are winning when they are not.

              There never are backend sales and never will be like in usual business.

              It's a Solo Ads Scam. <--- Keyword for some Google love


              The leads will lead to nowhere.

              If I received leads like this through my Facebook campaigns, I'd be laughing because I know those are real people and real leads so I know I convert about 12-15% so I then make back my marketing budget.

              The solo ads scam (keyword) will never allow someone to make back their budget to continue investing into solo ads.

              I continue to invest into Facebook because it's profitable. It pays me back.

              The solo ads scam is exactly as the name calls it, a scam with many people on the inside and are all involved in it.


              Whew.... I don't know if I can explain it any more clear.
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              • Profile picture of the author psod
                Dear Nathan,
                The emotion and histrionics (e.g. crayons, best orgasm, best sex ever) that you add to the explanation doesn't make it any clearer for someone trying to follow and understand this thread. Additionally, there are several parts of the solo-ad transaction that you misrepresent and fail to describe adequately. These are:

                1) A seller of solo-ads doesn't (as you put it) "throw sales" to a buyer. Those buying an offer buy of their own accord. If I buy clicks from you, you aren't entering my offer and putting money in my Paypal account under the names of my various clients because you want to intentionally make me feel satisfied or think your clicks are good.

                2) Your explanation of how the leads come into my account because you have opened a spigot on your side because you are a master copywriter and can get your leads to be excited enought to go to a new offer, is missing the part that your have brokered clicks at 30cpc from another seller to meet the needs of your client (and profit on his 50cpc payment) because actually your copywriting sucks and your leads have been dead for 4 years and don't want to leave you. And really all that is going on here is that you are looking for an excuse to leave the industry and want it to look that you gave it your all and it was the system that failed you, not your lack of effort. As I mentioned earlier, your leads would come back to life if you gave them a subject line worth a rebirth and a revival (e.g. an offer with sufficient value to on which to act on).

                3) Very few sellers of solo-ads ask offer the option of sending a solo ad to a list. And I can't remember a single case of someone asking me to use their solo ad with my list. If I go to Udimi to purchase solos (which I do often), I have the option to enter my own copy, as we do at many click-selling companies. However, several of these same firms offer to make a optin page for us, and send to it their own solo ad copy because they have more confidence in it and are offering the guarantee. If we take them up on their guarantee, we need in most cases to use their optin page and solo ad copy.

                4) I've been doing this for six months and I haven't ripped off any of my clients, but let's see, you have been in this for a number of years. Are you trying to tell us that you've been complicit in a crime/scam that you accuse everyone else in the solo ads industry of also participating in knowingly or unknowingly?

                5) You have painted all participants with the same brush. But the industry is far and wide. Solo ad clicks buy all sorts of products, and some of these are very profitable. You can't paint a picture that includes everyone, because some products use the same leads that are not profitable in other parts of the industry. It seems like you are trying to speak about all of the player types at one time (freebees, Warriorplus/JvZoo buyers, Clickbank buyers, CPA/CPL buyers, MLM buyers). If this was the enormous scam to portray it to be, then none of those other industry sectors would be viable, when in fact some of them are very productive.

                6) You are suggesting to us all (me included, and to the potential buyers with whom we deal) that we solo ad sellers are all thieves and scam artists. I have to tell you that I have confidence in everyone of the selling partners with whom I continue to do business; there are a few times when that confidence has waned (when someone has not delivered what was contracted and/nor on time). I'm sorry, but I'm not in the same group of dishonest sellers that you describe, regardless of what color and corner in which you paint them.

                Look! let's get past the complaints. I think that so far you have hurt the industry more than you have helped it. What is the point that you are trying to achieve by this rant?
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          The non-reliance upon front end sales is the very clincher that the entire system rests upon - and exactly how it's still fooling people today.

          People don't worry or complain because they assume that the sales (and the profits) will come in time with their follow up offers, but they never do and the initial solo purchase is long since forgotten.

          Daniel sums up the Solo Ads Scam quite well.
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    • Profile picture of the author psod
      Nathan, this is the part I don't agree with:

      You write:

      >They give you back $500 in sales.

      >You walk away THINKING you're a winner.

      >I'm sorry but you're not.

      They bent you over.

      >Tied your wrists to your ankles and had their way with you.

      >These people are taking advantage of good people. They all know it and they don't care.

      >Good hardworking people are falling for the fake reviews.

      >They fall for the dead end leads and the fake sales.

      >It's about time someone exposed this lie.

      This is like saying that 25 years ago there was some scam that the Internet Service Providers were posing because they didn't give us 9600 baud and instead only gave us 1200 baud.

      There is no lie. The reviews are not fake. Here is one:

      Marvin Adam wrote about Anton Khatsanovich in "Solo Ads Testimonials"

      Seller: Anton Khatsanovich

      Clicks Ordered: 200

      Clicks Received: Received: 266

      Optin Rate: 58%

      Tier 1: 90%

      Sales: Yes, 2

      Comments: First run with realsoloads.com and Anton massively overdelivered in what I expected for overall clicks, optins, Tier 1-quality and also in terms of Sales. Very satisfying first run, can recommend.

      Both the buyer and the seller are purveyors of solo ads. Marvin is well known in our community for outstanding service. Marvin has asked for 200 clicks, and he has received 266 clicks. Were there sales? Yes there were sales, 2 of them. Were there optins. Yes, there were optins.

      Where is the lie?

      Nathan if you would like to do the solo ads community a service, telling us someone we know and saying it is intentionally-caused when it is not is not very useful for anyone nor productive. In not one of your replies or in the main piece have you offered a single solution.

      Since you have not, I will.

      We could improve on the testimonials by adding a line after the Sales line that says the Sales Amount in Dollars or some currency. This would show the quantity of money raised by the two sales. Now, if people start to write $35 continuously in that amount, then I would agree with you about the lie. But, if they are honest and show 2 front-end sales of 4, 6, 8, or 10 bucks then I would have faith.

      Could you live with this?
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by psod View Post

        We could improve on the testimonials by adding a line after the Sales line that says the Sales Amount in Dollars or some currency. This would show the quantity of money raised by the two sales. Now, if people start to write $35 continuously in that amount, then I would agree with you about the lie. But, if they are honest and show 2 front-end sales of 4, 6, 8, or 10 bucks then I would have faith.

        Could you live with this?
        When you say 'we' Peter, are we to understand you are a representative of a solo ads site?

        For the sake of acquiring knowledge relating to the actual value of a purchased 'solo ad', it would be interesting a buyer reported initial sales ....then four weeks later send them a reminder to chime back into the site with an update as to how many exact sales and how much revenue they acquired from their follow up emails / offers.

        You could choose to elect non-bias, real testers for the system too such as those who don't believe in the effectiveness of solo ad buying.

        So that you can't blame the sales pages, you could test the funnels yourself too and involve yourself in the testing process, approving only those people who you think have quality offers, presented professionally, that should convert in your opinion. You could split test this several times over.

        A recorded account of how you proved people wrong with regards to the sheer effectiveness of your service could only serve to your advantage in the interests of promotion.

        Until then, the age old buzzword 'overdelivered' and a plethora of high rating percentages probably aren't going to swing educated opinions of those who are ultimately interested in business profit.
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        • Profile picture of the author psod
          I like your ideas. When I wrote "We" I was writing that "We" as a solo-ad sellers community. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
          Originally Posted by Daniel Evans View Post

          When you say 'we' Peter, are we to understand you are a representative of a solo ads site?

          If so, what would be interesting for the sake of acquiring knowledge relating to the actual value of a solo ad, would be for the person to report initial sales.

          ....then four weeks later send them a reminder to chime back into the site with an update as to how many exact sales the they acquired from their follow up emails.

          You could choose to elect non-bias, real testers for the system too such as those who don't believe in the effectiveness of solo ad buying.

          So that you can't blame the sales pages, you could test the funnels yourself too and involve yourself in the testing process, approving only those people who you think have quality offers, presented professionally, that should convert in your opinion. You could split test this several times over.

          A recorded account of how you proved people wrong with regards to the sheer effectiveness of your service could only serve to your advantage in the interests of promotion.
          Daniel, you are asking for disclosure, transparency and honesty!

          Here is some very good information about all that:

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honesty
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
        Originally Posted by psod View Post

        Nathan, this is the part I don't agree with:

        You write:

        >They give you back $500 in sales.

        >You walk away THINKING you're a winner.

        >I'm sorry but you're not.

        They bent you over.

        >Tied your wrists to your ankles and had their way with you.

        >These people are taking advantage of good people. They all know it and they don't care.

        >Good hardworking people are falling for the fake reviews.

        >They fall for the dead end leads and the fake sales.

        >It's about time someone exposed this lie.

        This is like saying that 25 years ago there was some scam that the Internet Service Providers were posing because they didn't give us 9600 baud and instead only gave us 1200 baud.

        There is no lie. The reviews are not fake. Here is one:

        Marvin Adam wrote about Anton Khatsanovich in "Solo Ads Testimonials"

        Seller: Anton Khatsanovich

        Clicks Ordered: 200

        Clicks Received: Received: 266

        Optin Rate: 58%

        Tier 1: 90%

        Sales: Yes, 2

        Comments: First run with realsoloads.com and Anton massively overdelivered in what I expected for overall clicks, optins, Tier 1-quality and also in terms of Sales. Very satisfying first run, can recommend.

        Both the buyer and the seller are purveyors of solo ads. Marvin is well known in our community for outstanding service. Marvin has asked for 200 clicks, and he has received 266 clicks. Were there sales? Yes there were sales, 2 of them. Were there optins. Yes, there were optins.

        Where is the lie?

        Nathan if you would like to do the solo ads community a service, telling us someone we know and saying it is intentionally-caused when it is not is not very useful for anyone nor productive. In not one of your replies or in the main piece have you offered a single solution.

        Since you have not, I will.

        We could improve on the testimonials by adding a line after the Sales line that says the Sales Amount in Dollars or some currency. This would show the quantity of money raised by the two sales. Now, if people start to write $35 continuously in that amount, then I would agree with you about the lie. But, if they are honest and show 2 front-end sales of 4, 6, 8, or 10 bucks then I would have faith.

        Could you live with this?

        The reviews are so fake. Especially the ones saying they bought 1,000's of clicks.

        If you click on those people's profiles or send them a message, you'll quickly find out they're a solo ad seller themselves.

        One guy even said he bought 10,000 clicks. Lol!


        Okay the reviews are from actual people might not be fake, but they're deceiving.

        Like the post above said, everyone THINKS all the money is going to be made on those backend sales.

        So they don't care if they gave $500 and received $250 back. All the money is on its way soooooooooon.

        SOLUTION:

        I actually don't like saying this to a Solo Ad Seller because I feel the entire Solo Ads Scam will be refined so they're not so blatantly stealing from people and ripping them off. They'll just be a little more discreet about it.

        - As mentioned before, encourage reviews from a few weeks after. Encourage in depth reviews.
        - allow people on the Facebook groups to give reviews in their own words, not having to follow a format.
        - Allow everyone to leave reviews. Not just people who had sales. (Some Facebook groups do this)
        - tell the truth.
        - If someone is a seller of Solo Ads, they MUST disclose that in their review right away.
        - don't act like carnies sticking to a carnie code. Put the people first.
        - Be transparent. Show people where and how you get your current traffic. Show them behind the curtain.
        - educate the customer. Let them know what to look for when buying solo ads.
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  • Profile picture of the author jayroller
    Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac View Post

    I recently wrote a post about Solo Ads called:
    Are 'Guaranteed Clicks Solo Ads' A Scam?

    You can search for it.

    I was looking around for different ways to promote my Affiliate product Elite Marketing Pro.

    Heard of Solo Ads a while back.

    Bought a few courses regarding the type of adversing from such big names like Matt Lloyd and Daegan Smith.

    Both had mentioned SelfGrowth.com for Solo Ads.

    The only problem is it costs $1,500 - $3,000 for a solo ad, with NO guaranteed clicks.

    I know what you're thinking.

    "That's hogwash! No guaranteed clicks for a price like that!?"

    That's right. Not one guarantee of even the slightest of a click.

    But stay with me as you hear why.

    These solo ad providers you see on Warrior and places like Safeswaps or Udimi. Think of them like carnies at the Carnival.

    You know the games you walk by and they're trying to get you to lose some money.

    "Hey sweetheart, got 300 top tier clicks with your name on it for $200"

    They're all intertwined with one another.

    Many of them leave the really glowing reviews for each other.

    They know you'll lose money, but they make it so that it looks like you walked away a winner.

    You get the Pink Unicorn to give to your mate.

    Let's say you're walking by and one catches your eye with a delicious offer of 1,000 clicks for only $250 GUARANTEED.

    You think just how amazing if you could get your offer in front of 1,000 people.

    You'd have to make a sale for sure.

    *oh you definitely do! That's their secret*


    So you have a product for sale worth $50.

    You take up the Carnie on his offer for 1,000 clicks for only $250.

    A few days later you see a whole bunch of leads show up, and you even walk away with 2 sales!

    That's $100!!

    Plus all the leads you got.

    What an amazing deal!!

    *This is what I like to call the smoke and mirror show and this is where the magic happens* But not for you.

    You run back to your friends howling in excitement about all your new leads and the two sales you made.

    You follow up with your leads, only to hit a dead end with all of them.

    The carnie comes back with an even sweeter deal.

    5,000 clicks for $900 guaranteed 90% top tier.

    Wow! How can you turn that deal down.

    "Just imagine..... 5,000 people who see my offer."

    This time you get 6 sales of $50.

    Plus one upswell worth $300

    Wow! That's amazing!!

    "I made $600!! Plus a tonne of leads!"

    You run off again in excitement about your sales and leads (that lead to know where)

    You seem to forget the $300 you lost.

    Now you tell your friends.

    Your friend comes along and repeats the same process you just endured.

    Which he then tells his friends and they tell their friends.

    Resulting in 100's if not 1,000's of people running to play the carnies game.


    The carnie made $150 off of you the first time and then $300 the second time. For a total of $450.

    Now multiply that by 10 people who came to play the game after you shared your excitement.

    The carnie walks away with $4,500.

    All while everyone else walked away losing a total of $4,500.

    But it was made to look like they actually made way with so much more. When in fact they actually didn't.


    This is smoke and mirror show that's been happening and will continue to happen, unless we put a stop to this.

    You can guess how many clicks you might receive, but you can never guarantee clicks.

    You can only guess. So anyone who is guaranteeing clicks, should be approached with caution.

    Places like ArcaMax, or SelfGrowth cost that much because you get real people and real people are random.

    That's why you'll never get guaranteed clicks from real solo ad providers.

    How can this be proven?

    Buy a solo ad and write your title "open me"

    In the solo ad, write:

    Click the link below.


    Watch how you magically get 100's of clicks.

    You can write the absolutely worst copy, and you'll still get clicks.

    Try that with a real solo ad provider.

    You cannot guarantee clicks. You can only at best, guess but with the buyer knowing that's a guess based on previous stats.

    You're better off cutting out the middle man and going straight to Fiverr.com and ordering top tier leads and clicks.

    Then taking the rest of the $450 you would have given the Carnie, you give to your friend and say, I need you to buy this product from my site.


    This is a complete smoke and mirror show.

    Snake oil at its finest.

    The purest of pure snake oil.

    Not only have they sold ice to the Eskimos, they sold them a damn ice maker too so they can have ice all year round....

    Keep your money.

    Only go to places like ArcaMax or Selfgrowth and many of the other reputable solo ad providers.

    Thoughts, comments, and even hate is welcome.

    The more the merrier, please
    What traffic source would you recommend for someone looking to build a list or sell products on a limited budget? I am trying to get traffic that is reliable but affordable. Like you said, there are no guarantees and I have seen this with the paid sources I have tried. I don't want to keep losing money. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by jayroller View Post

      What traffic source would you recommend for someone looking to build a list or sell products on a limited budget? I am trying to get traffic that is reliable but affordable. Like you said, there are no guarantees and I have seen this with the paid sources I have tried. I don't want to keep losing money. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
      This is the million dollar question. It's tough to really say, and depends on your offer.

      Right now I'm running Facebook ads for about $0.50/click. A couple leads over a couple of days and have spent about $76 on that one.

      I just created another ad with some new targeting and see how that one goes. I think it will be better.

      Facebook unfortunately is testing and adjusting, which ultimately costs money.

      I'm also testing out banner ads here on the warrior forum. A few leads so far in a few days.

      I also have banner ads on seomastering blog, and one on webmaster sun.

      They've only been up a few days and have a few ads.

      In total so far I've spent about $300USD on banner ads + about $100 on Facebook ads.

      No sales. But a handful of leads.


      It's a tough gig because you really need about $2,000-$5,000 to play with. You'll create ads, then test them, refine them and make new ones because those ones get shown too much.

      all while not knowing if they'll get clicked or if you'll get leads or sales.


      ***Now going back to the solo ads scam***

      That's exactly how they get you. They'd tell me that I should have spent my $300 with them and they would have gotten far more leads and clicks and sales. But that's how they hook you and trick you. I'm sure you understand how their scam works though. I've explained it quite clearly.



      If you have a very limited budget, you'll have to start really small and do mostly free stuff.

      I'm not sure what your product or what you're promoting, but be honest with people. Share things you've tried yourself. Write or make reviews of products you use daily. Maybe about books you've read or perhaps marketing courses you've done already.

      The key thing is, be honest. It will take time but as long as you keep at it, imagine where you'll be in a year from now. It's clich, but it's true.

      There's so much good free stuff out there. Use it until you start making some money so you can reinvest that into your marketing budget.

      I'm not sure where you're at or who you know but I'll leave a few names of people so others who read this post can learn as well.

      - Mike Dillard Magnetic Sponsoring (I started with this book long ago)
      - Ramit Sethi (Has some amazing free content on YouTube)
      - Patt Flynn (Such amazing content on his blog and so honest)
      - Tony Robbins (Want to learn about people, this is the guy to learn from)
      - Eben Pagan (Amazing content to learn from)


      Anyways I hope that helps. It can be slow, very slow. But I remember a long time ago when I didn't even know what hosting was. I thought you just bought a domain name and you had a website.

      Start with the free stuff, implement it, create a first sale and continue with that to build your ad budget.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
    Great thread Nathan.

    I hope people will listen.

    Being a savvy internet marketer is knowing that 'solo ad sellers' are operating a dishonest syndicate.

    No-one is profiting from buying from 'solo ad sellers'.

    'Solo ads' are a effective, but only when they aren't bought from sellers. The best way is to contact someone in your niche with a proposal. This is honest, targeted, effective marketing.

    Its time to wake up and do business properly!

    We don't 'buy' profits as easy as this. It takes effort and dedication.
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  • Profile picture of the author Connann
    This is an intrigue HYPOTHESIS.

    Yes, only an HYPOTHESIS.

    why? cause there are no proofs.

    I MEAN: the game may be like this, Nathan is proposin a way where this could be.

    But there are no proofs (screenshost he says he has are no proofs).

    What should be a proof?

    Nathan says that ALL (or the most) people on Udimi, Clickmoney, etc, are SCAMMERS.
    They sell fake clicks, the simulate purchases by buy themselves, and they sell dead leads.

    So the proof what should be?

    If a group of people buy from these sellers on these marketplaces, and see that leads dont interact, dont have engagement on a continuous basis.

    Purchases? This should be for statistical reason even more on a large basis.

    Yes cause purchases depends on the copy, on the product itself, etc, so if these large group of people dont sell ANYTHING to these fake leads on MONTHS, different products with different copy, and there are even no leads which arrive on the cart and abandon it.... yes this hypothesis should be true.

    But we need a large group of people buyin from different seller in these marketplaces and see no engagements in the leads acquired.

    Not only one who sees that leads dont open his future mails: this is not a proof.

    In the Science, if someone propose an hypothesis, it's THAT person that has to prove that hypothesis, and after the other ones try to see if the process implemented to give that proof is good.

    So here it's only an explanation, intruiguing of course, of how the process may be.

    We need more than an hypothesis to say that all the solo ads markeplace are scam, all the vendors are scam,, all the fb groups are too.

    And im not a solo ad seller now, never sold a solo ad in my life.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by Connann View Post

      This is an intrigue HYPOTHESIS.

      Yes, only an HYPOTHESIS.

      why? cause there are no proofs.

      I MEAN: the game may be like this, Nathan is proposin a way where this could be.

      But there are no proofs (screenshost he says he has are no proofs).

      What should be a proof?

      Nathan says that ALL (or the most) people on Udimi, Clickmoney, etc, are SCAMMERS.
      They sell fake clicks, the simulate purchases by buy themselves, and they sell dead leads.

      So the proof what should be?

      If a group of people buy from these sellers on these marketplaces, and see that leads dont interact, dont have engagement on a continuous basis.

      Purchases? This should be for statistical reason even more on a large basis.

      Yes cause purchases depends on the copy, on the product itself, etc, so if these large group of people dont sell ANYTHING to these fake leads on MONTHS, different products with different copy, and there are even no leads which arrive on the cart and abandon it.... yes this hypothesis should be true.

      But we need a large group of people buyin from different seller in these marketplaces and see no engagements in the leads acquired.

      Not only one who sees that leads dont open his future mails: this is not a proof.

      In the Science, if someone propose an hypothesis, it's THAT person that has to prove that hypothesis, and after the other ones try to see if the process implemented to give that proof is good.

      So here it's only an explanation, intruiguing of course, of how the process may be.

      We need more than an hypothesis to say that all the solo ads markeplace are scam, all the vendors are scam,, all the fb groups are too.

      And im not a solo ad seller now, never sold a solo ad in my life.

      You sir are correct.

      However, like in a murder case, we can look at the circumstantial evidence.

      The husband of the murdered wife had motive because of the insurance policy and the amount of debt that he was in.

      He was the last person to see her alive.

      Many people reported arguments they had.

      He is now with another woman.

      There are emails of a circumstantial affair.


      Where's the science?

      In this case, there's only common sense that comes into play. He may be innocent, but we have reason to believe he's the killer based upon the facts.


      What is my hypothesis based upon?

      I'm glad you asked:

      - No one ever ever makes the riches by solo ads alone. If anyone had results like what they received from solo ads, they could easily live the beach life.

      All they would have to do is save up $2,000-$5,000. Drop that all into solo ads and sit back and relax. Because you'd get maybe half of that back in sales, an enourmius amount of leads, and when the followup emails start going out, even more sales will start to come in and you just keep buying and it's a scam easy as that.

      Because this cannot happen, therefore people lose all their budget trying to get that.

      - Most reviews are from other solo ad sellers. Easily achieved by messaging the reviewers and finding out for yourself. That's fishy.

      - Any big click purchases (1,000 up to 10,000) are from solo ad sellers themselves. That's fishy.

      - Many Facebook groups only want testimonials of people who had sales.

      - Many Facebook groups will block you for spreading anything other than promoting the purchase you made.

      - You'll never make your money back from solo ads. People invest in a marketing plan, and only reinvest in it if it's profitable. Or else they would go out of business. You'll never return your investment. The house only ever wins. (Except for the occasional on they let through because they want that glowing review, which will bring in far more customers to take advantage of)

      - The solo ads sellers are not real marketers. They never post how they get their leads or traffic. They just magically have them because they're a ninja marketer in the background that you'll never see.

      - Some solo ad sellers don't even ask for an ad from you. That's fishy.

      - You could write the worst solo ad ever and still get your clicks. This would never happen in a real solo ad.


      Need I really go on about the solo ads scam?

      It's really light as day.

      So yes. Even though this may be a "hypothesis", it's based on quite good evidence and good reasoning for it to be true.


      Here's my prediction, because I many not be a ninja marketer with a magical list of eager buyers, I am what you may call a prophet.

      Not only can I see through the B.S. Of the solo ads scam, I can also foresee the coming future from all of this.

      The sellers are scared that their scam is being brought forth.

      They are wondering what they can do.

      They are intently reading this forum thread and quietly going to be adjusting their scam so that it is not so blatant that they are ripping good hard working honest people off.

      Still beware. Approach solo ads with caution.

      Ask how they get there list and what are there current marketing efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author millieporter
    i have one question which place best for paid marketing ??
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by millieporter View Post

      i have one question which place best for paid marketing ??
      There's plenty and I'll name a few.

      PPC:
      Google Adwords
      Bing ads
      Facebook ads


      Banner ads:
      Warrior Forum
      Seomastering
      Webmastersun
      JohnChow Blog


      Legitimate Solo Ads:
      SelfGrowth
      ArcaMax
      Moneymakingmommy
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  • Profile picture of the author Sonny Tee
    Nathan,

    While I do understand your opinion that solos in general are a scam, I have to say that I think it is unwise to group so many solo ad sellers together as "scammers" as that is simply unfair and untrue.

    I buy solos VERY regularly as in 1000s of clicks per week and I can honestly say that IF I'm not making a profit on the solos, I'm at minimum breaking even. When it comes to solos, you need to realize the type of audience you are marketing to, you need to realize the demographics of people who subscribe to email lists over and over and what it would take for a person like that to actually open up their wallets and buy something.

    I've seen many posts like yours on this forum and other forums as well but the fact remains that there are some people out there who know how solos work and know how to use that specific audience of people to turn a profit.

    Mind you, at this point I ONLY buy my solos from three people. So once again, I understand WHY you want to group the whole industry together as a scam but there are definitely some fantastic sellers out there so I'd recommend you doing a test on a few sellers and tracking your results to a T so that you know who is good and who is not. Once you know that, simply steer clear of the bozos and get into profit mode with your traffic buys!

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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by Sonny Tee View Post

      Nathan,

      While I do understand your opinion that solos in general are a scam, I have to say that I think it is unwise to group so many solo ad sellers together as "scammers" as that is simply unfair and untrue.

      I buy solos VERY regularly as in 1000s of clicks per week and I can honestly say that IF I'm not making a profit on the solos, I'm at minimum breaking even. When it comes to solos, you need to realize the type of audience you are marketing to, you need to realize the demographics of people who subscribe to email lists over and over and what it would take for a person like that to actually open up their wallets and buy something.

      I've seen many posts like yours on this forum and other forums as well but the fact remains that there are some people out there who know how solos work and know how to use that specific audience of people to turn a profit.

      Mind you, at this point I ONLY buy my solos from three people. So once again, I understand WHY you want to group the whole industry together as a scam but there are definitely some fantastic sellers out there so I'd recommend you doing a test on a few sellers and tracking your results to a T so that you know who is good and who is not. Once you know that, simply steer clear of the bozos and get into profit mode with your traffic buys!

      Sonny

      The ones who are not part of the solo ads scam know who they are.

      This post will shed light on the industry in hopes that those taking part in the solo ads scam will change their ways of business.

      Also, I have left resources of other possible paid advertising and even a few legitimate places they can get high quality Solo Ads that are not part of the solo ads scam.

      As long as they know to approach 90% of Solo ad providers with caution, then that means a job well done by blowing the lid off of this scam.

      As I continue to do more research, I'll post more legitimate places for solo ads.

      As it stands right now, avoid 90% of them at all costs.

      Avoid the scheme running Facebook groups.

      Avoid clickonomy.

      Avoid Safeswaps.

      Avoid Udimi.

      Avoid WSO's promising the world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    Even though this post uncovers the solo ads scam.

    They're only
    Going to get smarter. They'll take the information we provided and will make their solo ads scam even more elaborate so it's harder to tell it's a smoke and mirror show.


    It's best to avoid 90% of them:

    To be safe Only go to places like:
    SelfGrowth(200,000 + list)
    ArcaMax (Many niche lists up to 1 million+)
    Moneymakingmommy


    These three solo ads providers are real and safe. No guaranteed clicks but if you do get clicks, leads and sales, you can trust that they're real.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Chapple
    Nathan - Hero

    you've probably saved warriors a lot of money, never had ROI on solo ads either.

    Best
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by Gary Chapple View Post

      Nathan - Hero

      you've probably saved warriors a lot of money, never had ROI on solo ads either.

      Best
      Yes!

      You'll never have a positive ROI on these solo ads scams. Unless you're the lucky one who they choose to give a positive ROI to, because that person will leave an incredible review for others to fall into the trap.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMMer1975
    Ok I have to jump in on this one. This issue isn't nearly as black and white as Nathan is purporting it to be. No offense Nathan - no doubt solo ads didn't work for you and absolutely without an iota of doubt, there are TONS of solo ad scams out there. And your critical ROI driven review is a welcome one.

    Full disclaimer: I used to sell solo ads in the weight loss industry - but I don't anymore - so any bias here is limited.

    As with any service provider, there are good ones, bad ones and ugly ones. I'd like to think I fell into the good category. Did my solo ads derive a positive ROI for the buyer? Truthfully I don't know. My users were 100% legitimate and not acquired through purchases or solo ads. My buyers loved them. I took pains to not over blast my list, limiting sends to at most 1-2 week. I provided guidance and feedback on the squeeze page to maximize opt-in. Whether or not you subscribe to "top of funnel" marketing theory that requires subsequent nurturing, I delivered 100% honest, real traffic to my buyers sites with a targeted offer. My opt-ins were lower than "industry averages", probably due to the pattern of real users reviewing offers that appeal or don't appeal to them.

    I find Google PPC to have the best conversion - it's intent driven - whereas personally I didn't have good experience with FB ads which is interest driven. Solo ads, in my opinion, are similar to FB ads in that they're largely interest driven (that is, reactive).

    I guess I'd conclude by saying that solo ad sellers are as much a scam as half of the "MMO" stuff peddled online even here on the Warrior Forum. How many offers do you find around here of absolute crap assembled by a newbie and a sales letter promising to show others how to make money. It's like one giant pyramid scheme, but alas, now it is me getting off topic!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by IMMer1975 View Post

      Ok I have to jump in on this one. This issue isn't nearly as black and white as Nathan is purporting it to be. No offense Nathan - no doubt solo ads didn't work for you and absolutely without an iota of doubt, there are TONS of solo ad scams out there. And your critical ROI driven review is a welcome one.

      Full disclaimer: I used to sell solo ads in the weight loss industry - but I don't anymore - so any bias here is limited.

      As with any service provider, there are good ones, bad ones and ugly ones. I'd like to think I fell into the good category. Did my solo ads derive a positive ROI for the buyer? Truthfully I don't know. My users were 100% legitimate and not acquired through purchases or solo ads. My buyers loved them. I took pains to not over blast my list, limiting sends to at most 1-2 week. I provided guidance and feedback on the squeeze page to maximize opt-in. Whether or not you subscribe to "top of funnel" marketing theory that requires subsequent nurturing, I delivered 100% honest, real traffic to my buyers sites with a targeted offer. My opt-ins were lower than "industry averages", probably due to the pattern of real users reviewing offers that appeal or don't appeal to them.

      I find Google PPC to have the best conversion - it's intent driven - whereas personally I didn't have good experience with FB ads which is interest driven. Solo ads, in my opinion, are similar to FB ads in that they're largely interest driven (that is, reactive).

      I guess I'd conclude by saying that solo ad sellers are as much a scam as half of the "MMO" stuff peddled online even here on the Warrior Forum. How many offers do you find around here of absolute crap assembled by a newbie and a sales letter promising to show others how to make money. It's like one giant pyramid scheme, but alas, now it is me getting off topic!
      You're probably one of the hard honest solo ads testimonial sellers to find.

      It's hard to find honest ones, which is why my list consists of three places so far.

      SelfGrowth
      ArcaMax
      MoneyMakingMommy
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      • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
        Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac View Post

        It's hard to find honest ones, which is why my list consists of three places so far.

        SelfGrowth
        ArcaMax
        MoneyMakingMommy
        So if I use the 3 sources that you listed above and recommend...will you guarantee that I will generate sales and if I don't, you will refund any amount that I spend?

        Because if I don't generate any sales, then as you have stated about all other sources that fail to generate sales, that they are nothing more than scams. So they would obviously be scams as well.

        If you won't guarantee, why?
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          Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

          So if I use the 3 sources that you listed above and recommend...will you guarantee that I will generate sales and if I don't, you will refund any amount that I spend?

          Because if I don't generate any sales, then as you have stated about all other sources that fail to generate sales, that they are nothing more than scams.

          If you won't guarantee, why?
          You obviously did not read my last statement.

          Before commenting, please make sure you've read and understood the Solo Ads Testimonials Scam

          Your comment easily lets everyone know you do not understand.

          The solo ads testimonials scam is well explained multiple times throughout this post.
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          • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
            Originally Posted by DIABL0 View Post

            So if I use the 3 sources that you listed above and recommend...will you guarantee that I will generate sales and if I don't, you will refund any amount that I spend?

            Because if I don't generate any sales, then as you have stated about all other sources that fail to generate sales, that they are nothing more than scams. So they would obviously be scams as well.

            If you won't guarantee, why?
            Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac View Post

            You obviously did not read my last statement.

            Before commenting, please make sure you've read and understood the Solo Ads Testimonials Scam

            Your comment easily lets everyone know you do not understand.

            The solo ads testimonials scam is well explained multiple times throughout this post.
            I did read it.

            You are saying all solo ads are scams and those are the only sources you recommend.

            So will you guarantee?
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    It's best to just avoid most solo ad sellers except for the three places I mentioned.

    Or else you'll most likely end up losing money from the solo ads scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobby_shahzad
    This post was long due, finally some one broke the silence.

    The lists of these solo sellers are nothing but a crap of freebies and very few conversions. You will be lucky to get a single sale
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by bobby_shahzad View Post

      This post was long due, finally some one broke the silence.

      The lists of these solo sellers are nothing but a crap of freebies and very few conversions. You will be lucky to get a single sale
      They've mastered red tape heir scam so much, that you'll most likely always get a sale.

      But that sale is only to make you THINK like your capture page and sales page are good.

      That sale is only for getting you excited to come back for more or to tell your friends, so you all can lose even more money at the carnival game.

      The solo ads scam is live and real and these people know it and are all in on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author suehila
        Ok this thread is huge and it's great. I was just about to buy a solo ad, today or tomorrow, because someone I truly respect and who has taught me a lot about marketing said that solo ads were probably the best way for a beginner to go about it (though he does have lots of tutorials on free methods as well).

        So Nathan, I'd like to ask you a practical question. I am ready to bring people to my site and offer. I have $100 to spend for bringing in visitors. If you were me - how would you spend that $100?

        Thank you for all the effort you have put into this issue. I am not prepared anymore to spend $100 on Udimi which was recommended. Looking forward to your response.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
          Originally Posted by suehila View Post

          Ok this thread is huge and it's great. I was just about to buy a solo ad, today or tomorrow, because someone I truly respect and who has taught me a lot about marketing said that solo ads were probably the best way for a beginner to go about it (though he does have lots of tutorials on free methods as well).

          So Nathan, I'd like to ask you a practical question. I am ready to bring people to my site and offer. I have $100 to spend for bringing in visitors. If you were me - how would you spend that $100?

          Thank you for all the effort you have put into this issue. I am not prepared anymore to spend $100 on Udimi which was recommended. Looking forward to your response.

          Here's the truth.

          You're hundred dollars won't go far at all. Especially in the beginning when you're just starting out.

          This is because you don't know what works yet.

          In the beginning, you'll lose money testing out ads (headlines, copy, banners, landing pages and so much more)

          $100 is nothing.

          I just recently bought a package from Charlie Page and it's suspiciously doing horrible.

          That's $250 gone like nothing. Which I could have spent elsewhere.

          I'll post more on that when it finishes.

          I'd say, save your $100.

          Put a little money to the side for your marketing budget every week or so.

          Put in some more hours at work, sell some stuff on eBay anc try to get $1,000.

          Even that can go fairly fast. But you have some room to test and get some results.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZachMiller
    WHAT?!?! Not all SOLO sellers are scams.. I'd bet that 80% of them are false-hope dream-catchers that scam you for your money..

    But there is a good 20% that make people A LOT of money..

    See, you can guarantee clicks.. have you heard of ClickMagick for tracking. I use it everyday. The SOLO seller sends emails 4-8x a day.. so they know their list and it's responsiveness. They'll keep sending your SWIPE email until you get the # of clicks they guaranteed.

    Now will you make sales? Depends on your follow up sequence, your offer, appeal, sales funnel sequence and other things..

    All in all.. sales should not be the outcome, leads should..

    Then within 30 days, you should obtain a 100% ROI from your list building efforts.. if not THEN the SOLO seller is to be skipped over and not used again..

    But if I have a product worth $100, I'll spend $200 with a SOLO provider.. wait 30 days, check the ROI and come back if it's good enough..

    If you keep throwing money at anything that moves.. you're gonna end up with holes in the system..
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by ZachMiller View Post

      WHAT?!?! Not all SOLO sellers are scams.. I'd bet that 80% of them are false-hope dream-catchers that scam you for your money..

      But there is a good 20% that make people A LOT of money..

      See, you can guarantee clicks.. have you heard of ClickMagick for tracking. I use it everyday. The SOLO seller sends emails 4-8x a day.. so they know their list and it's responsiveness. They'll keep sending your SWIPE email until you get the # of clicks they guaranteed.

      Now will you make sales? Depends on your follow up sequence, your offer, appeal, sales funnel sequence and other things..

      All in all.. sales should not be the outcome, leads should..

      Then within 30 days, you should obtain a 100% ROI from your list building efforts.. if not THEN the SOLO seller is to be skipped over and not used again..

      But if I have a product worth $100, I'll spend $200 with a SOLO provider.. wait 30 days, check the ROI and come back if it's good enough..

      If you keep throwing money at anything that moves.. you're gonna end up with holes in the system..

      Sales should not be the outcome?

      That's hilarious.

      You can get a million leads, but if none of them are buying, then you go out of business.

      We buy leads, we buy traffic, we buy clicks, and ma y more things with one thing in mind..... sales.

      If there are no sales, there is no business.
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  • Profile picture of the author luciesmazanska
    Solo sellers can really guarantee clicks and when they fall short, they will simply resend another list or those that didn't open. Whatever it takes them to achieve the guaranteed amount of clicks provided. So any Mailer who knows his data can fairly estimate the response rate, whether clicks or even conversions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by luciesmazanska View Post

      Solo sellers can really guarantee clicks and when they fall short, they will simply resend another list or those that didn't open. Whatever it takes them to achieve the guaranteed amount of clicks provided. So any Mailer who knows his data can fairly estimate the response rate, whether clicks or even conversions.
      either way you won't make a profit from the solo ads testimonials scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author rritz
    Dear Nathan
    There are hundreds of people who advertise on bing or adsense and never make a cent in return.
    So following your reasoning adaense and bing too are scam
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  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    1100 Views!
    Nice work, millions of shitty clicks must have been saved by now.
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  • Profile picture of the author robo916
    So if you don't make a profit on every single solo ad you buy, they are scamming you? I think people in the MMO space have been scammed so much, they want to call everything a scam and throw this word around way too easily.

    With any sort of paid advertising, you are not guaranteed sales. You are not guaranteed to profit from the ad. Ever. You are dealing with real people who may or may not like what you are showing them.

    You aren't just getting sales from a solo ad, you are getting leads as well. Leads that could buy from you down the line over and over. Those leads have value assuming they are real people. I've had people on my list that joined 7 months prior before they bought a single thing. So I didn't make money on them initially, but instead of throwing up my hands and calling it a scam, I kept selling to that lead as long as they don't unsubscribe.

    This is not to say that yes SOME solo ad sellers are selling complete crap clicks because there are. And if you are getting crap clicks, you need to get away from that seller asap. But some aren't.

    I've spent over 3000 on FB Ads and never made a cent. Do I say that FB is sending my offer to fake profiles to drive up impressions? No I just say I suck at FB ads and I'm learning how to better use them.

    Have you ever thought about maybe your offer sucks so nobody wants to buy it? I'm not saying that to be rude but just to say maybe it's your offer, maybe it's your capture page. I don't sell solos so I have no dog in this fight just stating another point of view.
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    • Profile picture of the author rritz
      Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

      So if you don't make a profit on every single solo ad you buy, they are scamming you? I think people in the MMO space have been scammed so much, they want to call everything a scam and throw this word around way too easily.

      With any sort of paid advertising, you are not guaranteed sales. Ever. You are dealing with real people who may or may not like what you are showing them.

      You aren't just getting sales from a solo ad, you are getting leads as well. Leads that could buy from you down the line over and over. Those leads have value assuming they are real people. I've had people on my list that joined 7 months prior before they bought a single thing. So I didn't make money on them initially, but instead of throwing up my hands and calling it a scam, I kept selling to that lead as long as they don't unsubscribe.

      This is not to say that yes SOME solo ad sellers are selling complete crap clicks because there are. And if you are getting crap clicks, you need to get away from that seller asap. But some aren't.

      I've spent over 3000 on FB Ads and never made a cent. Do I say that FB is sending my offer to fake profiles to drive up impressions? No I just say I suck at FB ads and I'm learning how to better use them.

      Have you ever thought about maybe your offer sucks so nobody wants to buy it? I'm not saying that to be rude but just to say maybe it's your offer, maybe it's your capture page. I don't sell solos so I have no dog in this fight just stating another point of view.
      right ... and that's all there is to it
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
        Originally Posted by rritz View Post

        right ... and that's all there is to it
        lol. You two are hilarious.

        For everyone else, before commenting, please make sure you read the thread so you fully understand how the solo ads testimonials scam works.
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        • Profile picture of the author robo916
          In one ear and out the other. Whatever.
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    • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
      Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

      So if you don't make a profit on every single solo ad you buy, they are scamming you? I think people in the MMO space have been scammed so much, they want to call everything a scam and throw this word around way too easily.

      With any sort of paid advertising, you are not guaranteed sales. You are not guaranteed to profit from the ad. Ever. You are dealing with real people who may or may not like what you are showing them.

      You aren't just getting sales from a solo ad, you are getting leads as well. Leads that could buy from you down the line over and over. Those leads have value assuming they are real people. I've had people on my list that joined 7 months prior before they bought a single thing. So I didn't make money on them initially, but instead of throwing up my hands and calling it a scam, I kept selling to that lead as long as they don't unsubscribe.

      This is not to say that yes SOME solo ad sellers are selling complete crap clicks because there are. And if you are getting crap clicks, you need to get away from that seller asap. But some aren't.

      I've spent over 3000 on FB Ads and never made a cent. Do I say that FB is sending my offer to fake profiles to drive up impressions? No I just say I suck at FB ads and I'm learning how to better use them.

      Have you ever thought about maybe your offer sucks so nobody wants to buy it? I'm not saying that to be rude but just to say maybe it's your offer, maybe it's your capture page. I don't sell solos so I have no dog in this fight just stating another point of view.
      bahahahahahahaha, you don't suck at Facebook Ads, you are just enjoying being bent over the desk and letting facebook charge you for fraudulent clicks.

      Wake up bro. At least on Facebook you can optimize and cut your sources, solo ads you just have to "take their word for it".

      For all you know, they could be running a simple pho script clicking on your site with a bot and using a small network of proxies to make everything look unique.
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      • Profile picture of the author robo916
        Aren't you taking facebooks "word" that they are optimizing? Any way you slice it, you have to take somebody's word for it and track results. Don't be an idiot.
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        • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
          Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

          Aren't you taking facebooks "word" that they are optimizing? Any way you slice it, you have to take somebody's word for it and track results. Don't be an idiot.
          You are clearly the idiot.
          If you had any idea how to optimize a campaign, you would clearly have profitable ones.
          Facebook has internal and partner traffic, and it is comprised from a massive network of URLs, sources and publishers. Facebook allows you to easily pick and choose which of these you want to include and exclude in your campaigns, hence optimizing it.

          Go flush another $3000 down the toilet.
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          • Profile picture of the author robo916
            How do you know what Facebook has? By what you read? What they tell you? You don't get it. At some point you have to trust that it's real traffic you are getting. Jesus christ you're dense
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            • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
              Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

              How do you know what Facebook has? By what you read? What they tell you? You don't get it. At some point you have to trust that it's real traffic you are getting. Jesus christ you're dense
              Go dump $3,000 in solo ads and see how you go.
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              • Profile picture of the author robo916
                I already have. And I have a list of engaged customers and countless sales to show for it. You see because I don't buy from scammers. I buy from real solo sellers who send real traffic.
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                • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
                  Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

                  I already have. And I have a list of engaged customers and countless sales to show for it. You see because I don't buy from scammers. I buy from real solo sellers who send real traffic.
                  Alright! Well, since you seem to be the Solo Ads Whisperer, the people are waiting.....

                  Let's hear your huuuuuuge list of credible solo ad vendors.

                  Everyone wants real

                  Solo Ads Testimonials
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                • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
                  Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

                  I already have. And I have a list of engaged customers and countless sales to show for it. You see because I don't buy from scammers. I buy from real solo sellers who send real traffic.
                  Any one else hear that..... *CRICKETS*

                  Exactly. That pretty much sums up the

                  Solo Ads Testimonials scam
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                • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
                  Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

                  I already have. And I have a list of engaged customers and countless sales to show for it. You see because I don't buy from scammers. I buy from real solo sellers who send real traffic.
                  $1 Zip Submits don't count as "sales" bro.
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                • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
                  Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

                  I already have. And I have a list of engaged customers and countless sales to show for it. You see because I don't buy from scammers. I buy from real solo sellers who send real traffic.
                  Sure is quiet around here... still waiting on the solo ads whisperers golden list of providers.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
    God this thread gets me heated every time I read it over and over again.
    All of you solo ads addicts should just give me all your money, I will at least tell you I am screwing you over while I send your clicks to your site.

    I only accept Bitcoin, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author robo916
    Some of you need to take a xanax or something. Getting all worked up over a traffic source you supposedly don't even use. That's like me getting upset because of the prince of Nigeria scammers...
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
    I was searching for Solo Ads Testimonials and I found this article but unfortunately it must have been taken down.

    It looks like a really good article

    MODERN SCAM in SOLO AD INDUSTRY

    The fact is: Solo ads tribes write testimonials for each other. They stay together, they sell together and they fake together. They defend each other no matter what
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  • Profile picture of the author jw22777
    a lot of golden nuggets here
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  • Profile picture of the author MortonHill
    Some really interesting information in this article. And chocking too. Something to think about - and beware of.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephenm44
    There are sadly, lots of people on the Net who will take your money and not deliver - coming up with all sorts of excuses as to why things didn't turn out as promised. There is never a guarantee with any paid traffic source but there are some genuine ones out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trufiliate
    The point being missed here is the fact that an email list is an asset. An asset is something that makes you money over time. The goal of Solo Ads is not to make sales. It's to get leads that you can build trust with and eventually sell to. Yes, you may get some sales off of a well-designed thank you page, but that's not the ultimate goal; it's a bonus. In fact, you could get hundreds of leads and NO sales and come out profitable in the long run with the right perspective.

    Use a peer-reviewed source from a bona fide marketer like Anik Singal - check out Clickonomy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by Trufiliate View Post

      The point being missed here is the fact that an email list is an asset. An asset is something that makes you money over time. The goal of Solo Ads is not to make sales. It's to get leads that you can build trust with and eventually sell to. Yes, you may get some sales off of a well-designed thank you page, but that's not the ultimate goal; it's a bonus. In fact, you could get hundreds of leads and NO sales and come out profitable in the long run with the right perspective.

      Use a peer-reviewed source from a bona fide marketer like Anik Singal - check out Clickonomy.
      Yes definitely that is the idea and dream of building a list and building one through solo ads, but how the solo ads testimonials scam works, is that you'll never make any money.

      People buy into a marketing campaign because they hope to get a ROI.

      If they do not, they'll go out of business.

      It's as simple as that.

      People can pump as much money as they want into the solo ads testimonials scam, but they'll never get the ROI they were hoping for.

      "But they got the clicks they purchased, there is no scam."

      Yes. Correct.

      They received the 500 clicks they were guaranteed.

      People don't buy clicks just to have clicks.

      People don't buy traffic just to have traffic.

      What they're after are leads and sales for their ROI.

      So even though they did receive the clicks they bought from the solo ads testimonials scam, they are after an ROI.

      A million visitors means nothing if no one buys.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Scott Jr
    I think that there's alot that is really being overlooked in this thread. I agree there are alot of scammers selling solo ads but there are also alot of legit sellers. Another thing to keep in mind is that there are more buyers with ineffective funnels than the scammers and the legit solo sellers combined.

    If you spend $1,000 on a solo ad and only make $500.00 and it all stops there something is wrong with your funnel. You should have a product that right off the bat you can make a sale from with a one time offer, in the back end you should have products that provide recurring income, and you should also have a high ticket product in the back end. You need to have a well balanced list of items to sell be it Facebook, Adwords, or whatever advertising source you are using because if you don't most likely you will spend $1,000 and not make the money back.

    You have to have a strong sales funnel period. I'm not a solo ad vendor. I have actually been scammed a few times but in the long run you will find the good sellers if you have a strong well balanced funnel and it's not just about the right products but sales copy has to also be strong.

    If you don't have a strong funnel in place you will never find the legit sellers. Also you should not have to spend thousands and thousands of dollars in FB or Adwords to make a profit. Unless maybe it's a high ticket product.

    Am I going to post the solo ads sellers that bring me a ROI? No I'm not. I know I'm getting results with them, don't need to prove it to anyone. I'm sure they are on the scam list combined with the actual scammers because as I mentioned above, more people have ineffective funnels than the legit and scam solo ad sellers combined and when they don't get an ROI they put the scammers and legit solo sellers in the same category.
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    • Profile picture of the author robo916
      Thank you. Finally someone that understands marketing, funnels, backends etc and how they how they work in harmony. Someone that understands that with list building all of your roi is not always achieved on the front end.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
        Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

        Thank you. Finally someone that understands marketing, funnels, backends etc and how they how they work in harmony. Someone that understands that with list building all of your roi is not always achieved on the front end.
        Still waiting on your magical list of vendors....
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        • Profile picture of the author robo916
          Keep waiting. I'll be right back. Way to change the subject btw.
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      • Profile picture of the author ProducerK
        Originally Posted by robo916 View Post

        Thank you. Finally someone that understands marketing, funnels, backends etc and how they how they work in harmony. Someone that understands that with list building all of your roi is not always achieved on the front end.
        No amount of optimization of landing pages and/or funnels is going to allow you to convert fraudulent and fake clicks.

        Unless somehow you have learned how to convert bots, then sir, you should be applauded.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
          Originally Posted by ProducerK View Post

          No amount of optimization of landing pages and/or funnels is going to allow you to convert fraudulent and fake clicks.

          Unless somehow you have learned how to convert bots, then sir, you should be applauded.
          Takes some skill to convert them bots...
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        • Profile picture of the author robo916
          Wtf are you even talking about? Who said anything about bot clicks? If you are getting bot clicks then yes, you are being scammed. Find someone else to buy from next time. Duh.
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  • Profile picture of the author daronch
    It depends on your click-through-rates and conversion rates for sure. Also depends on whether your product is a good fit for the audience.

    Have you checked your landing page and made sure it is converting well?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nathan Isaac
      Originally Posted by daronch View Post

      It depends on your click-through-rates and conversion rates for sure. Also depends on whether your product is a good fit for the audience.

      Have you checked your landing page and made sure it is converting well?
      Who are you talking to?
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      • Profile picture of the author daronch
        Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac View Post

        Who are you talking to?
        You.

        Originally Posted by Nathan Isaac View Post

        For an easy to understand picture of what's happening.

        If you give me $1,000

        And I give you back $500.

        Are you winning?

        Want to play again? I might even give you back $750 this time though.


        You might as well skip the bs and just ask for their email to send them money for nothing.


        That's what's happening. You're giving them money. They're making it look like you got something from it.
        Have you tried to tweak and impove your landing page? Has your landing page been proven to convert at a high rate but does poorly with solo ads?
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    96% of people fail at solo ads while the other 4% do really well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Delapaz
    Nathan, to your point:

    I bought a 100-click package from someone and my offer was a free report. What I found concerning and suspicious was that virtually nobody who opted in, actually clicked my link to the free report. Also, when I sent them follow up email sequences, many of those emails bounced due to bad/fake email addresses.

    Now, I know that this is a part of the whole email marketing game, and I know theoretically that email marketing is still where the money is at, so I am shifting my approach to non-guaranteed clicks and will explore your recommendations.

    Thanks for your insight, Nathan!
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    LOL!

    I wonder when people buy solo ads, if they close their eyes and go "Please Please Please Please Please Please Please let this convert, I spent all my rent money on this so I can work from home like the cool kids do"
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    1500+ Views+++
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