Getting 75-95 new subs daily across my lists but nobody buys.

by soutthills01 39 replies
I have like 10 different email lists for about 5 different niches. I get all of my subs from Instagram (which everybody is on these days) but nobody buys once on my list. I have a total of 25,000 subs and struggle to make $150 per week.

I have worked with other people a little bit but they seem to not be able to help increase sales much. I know these people need to solve their problems or they would never join an email list but with a list of 25,000 subs I should easily be making $200 per day and that is on the low end in my opinion.

I have read a ton of email marketing stuff too from Ben Settle, Gary Halbert and others but I just can't seem to get any sales from everything I am doing. Even the AIDA formula don't work for me so I am looking for somebody to really help me out.

I am desperate at this point since I have been doing this almost full-time for the past 4 months.

I even have the courses: inbox blueprint by Anik Signal, the Mcyintyre method by john McIntyre and have been following tips from both.
#email marketing #7595 #buys #daily #lists #subs
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  • Profile picture of the author Pedro Campos
    Man, make sure that you have a correct email follow up system that is providing value to the subscribers in a consistent manner. With so many of them, you should already have more sales. The product value is a good question to consider. If you can promote a program with multiple product choices, that could help you get more sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      yes i definitely give value. i have tried everything. they just won't buy anything. so frustrating.
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
        Delve deep into your money blocks ST....it is unpleasant, but from my experience, when you feel the frustration, desperation and grief, and cry it out, you clear the cause of your financial struggles, and then, you will see more clearly, build more 1 to 1 bonds, you'll move out of the manipulation deal, will help folks 1 to 1, and sales will increase.

        PS....4 months, to me, is a blink of any eye I have been online for a decade. More Warriors have been online twice as long. Take a deep breath, slow down, take 1 day at a time, and set a 1-2 year window for building up the proper mindset and moving into the proper actions - practicing skills, creating, connecting - to earn income.
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          thanks for the email but I haven been doing online marketing part time for 2 years. and i consider 40 hours per week part time btw. but i have been probably reading books and rewriting my emails and just focusing on getting better about 50-60 hours per week now. soooo frustrated.
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          • Profile picture of the author TraderScooter
            Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

            thanks for the email but I haven been doing online marketing part time for 2 years. and i consider 40 hours per week part time btw. but i have been probably reading books and rewriting my emails and just focusing on getting better about 50-60 hours per week now. soooo frustrated.
            You are so frustrated because you are not listening to what people are telling you. ryanbiddulph gave you the solution to your problem: make REAL connections with your list. Email them one by one. Start discussions. Get to know them, and let them get to know you. Any top marketer will tell you the same thing.

            The amount of people subscribing to your list everyday is meaningless if you aren't networking and working with them 1 on 1 to solve their problems.

            Put yourself out there, and make yourself available to every single member on your list (via email/skype/phone calls, etc). You will find success this way. Guaranteed.
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            • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
              how do you email 25,000 ppl one by one? i understand that they need to trust you but not sure how i could email them the way you stated.
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              • Profile picture of the author TraderScooter
                Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

                how do you email 25,000 ppl one by one? i understand that they need to trust you but not sure how i could email them the way you stated.
                The point is that you need to stop focusing on numbers of subscribers and start building relationships. Would you rather have 100 die-hard subscribers who consider you to be a friend or 25,000 who don't know a single thing about you? I'll take the 100 who share my enthusiasm and forget about the rest any day of the week.

                Just start talking to some of these people.
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  • Profile picture of the author depotgang
    Consider your source of traffic. ..... that would be my best guess
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      Thanks but everyone on earth is on Instagram so if the traffic is bad there then it isn't good anywhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    What are the lists and what is the process that someone subscribes?

    If you're not targeting, you are probably getting a lot of users that are not ideal targets.

    Last updated: 1/23/17

    Instagram Demographics

    68% of Instagram users are Females.
    80% of Instagram users come from outside of the U.S.
    77.6 million Instagram users are from US.
    Instagram is used by 31% of American women and 24% of men.
    32% of all Internet users are on Instagram.
    59% of internet users between the ages of 18 and 29 use Instagram and 33% of internet users between the ages of 30 and 49 use Instagram
    38% of female internet users use Instagram and 26% of male internet users use Instagram
    17% of teens say Instagram is the most important social media site (up from 12% in 2012)

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    68% female may or may not be good.
    80% of Instagram users come from outside of the U.S. (how much are from countries that will likely never buy)
    59% of internet users between the ages of 18 and 29 use Instagram (not ideal to me)
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  • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
    i have instagram profiles designed around a certain niche. like for example one is weight loss and i give away a free guide on how to speed up your metabolism. they either text in a 5 digit code to sign up or fill out a landing page email submit. so i am definitely targeting.
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  • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
    not if they signup thru the text message. no way to track. already contacted aweber about this and 65% of my leads come in that way.

    Clickbank products can be purchased by anybody from any country I do believe though correct?
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    What is the location break down for the 35% you do have info for?

    What are your open rates?

    Do you know the domain makeup and do you test your inbox placement?

    How does the 5 digit code (text) work?
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  • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
    first email that gets sent out is 50-60 percent. the 5 digit code works by just texting a word to a 5 digit #. then i send back a message that says enter your email for the free gift.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Lots of money blocks here.

    1 screams at me: you believe big numbers on a screen (75 plus subs a day) can physically buy products. Impossible. Only human beings buy products. Human beings who you address and bond with, 1 to 1.

    I finally began earning some coin when I realized that the money is not in numbers, email lists or any inanimate objects. Never seen a number buy an eBook of mine. But when I built 1 to 1 bonds with human beings, through various online channels and cared less about numbers, human beings began to buy my stuff and hire me....plus those inanimate numbers grew too
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  • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
    yeah i understand that but not really sure how that helps me? i follow all of the big email marketers advise and tips on how to do email marketing. i would think that even if 90% of my subs are free bee seekers, the other would buy...
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  • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
    Do you know the answers to the other questions?

    The first email is somewhat irrelevant, as they want the gift.

    What are your open rates on follow up messages?

    I would scrap or at least pause the 5 digit code and collect their email / IP.

    The first thing I would want to know is the location of all users.
    Then I would want to know the domain makeup and inbox placement.

    Do you get buyer emails from Clickbank?

    What are all the lists and what are you promoting?
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      actually in most of my gifts the first email does not contain the gift if they opted in thru the text. that gets sent first in another email from leadpages. the next 5 or 6 messages are around 25 % open rate.

      what do you mean by domain makeup? my domain? i have the dkim and spf record setup to make sure for optimum inboxing.

      my lists are weight loss, weightlifting, dog training, paleo diet, smoothies and how to get a flatter belly (fitness/weight loss) and i have 1 more list that shows people how to get their first 10,000 real instagram followers. so very diverse and yet still striking out with my subs when it comes to coversions.

      when i send a broadcast, i will see open rates as high as 15% but the click rate is always low.
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      • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
        Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

        actually in most of my gifts the first email does not contain the gift if they opted in thru the text. that gets sent first in another email from leadpages. the next 5 or 6 messages are around 25 % open rate.

        what do you mean by domain makeup? my domain? i have the dkim and spf record setup to make sure for optimum inboxing.

        my lists are weight loss, weightlifting, dog training, paleo diet, smoothies and how to get a flatter belly (fitness/weight loss) and i have 1 more list that shows people how to get their first 10,000 real instagram followers. so very diverse and yet still striking out with my subs when it comes to coversions.

        when i send a broadcast, i will see open rates as high as 15% but the click rate is always low.
        As I said, I would want to know the location of all users. For all you know, you have tons from 3rd world countries that will never buy.

        Domain makeup is the breakdown of the percentage of users per domain.

        I would then get seed accounts for as many of the biggest domains and test your inbox placement. Also, test your inbox placement before every mailing.

        Do you resend messages to users that don't open? While this doesn't increase your open rate percentage, it should increase the number of users that actually open the message.

        Users that consistently don't open, I would test using free Gmail accounts. Tough to beat the deliverability. Those that you can't get to open anything I would remove.

        You could technically send a message, resend multiple times to those that don't open and then resend using Gmail accounts.

        Once you know you are sending to users that have the best chance of buying and your deliverability is solid. Then test other offers.

        Do you belong to any CPA networks?

        Have you tested any free trial + S/H offers for the weight loss?
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          yes i belong to maxbounty. i make around $4 with them. as far as the rest of your message i dont understand seed accounts. what is that?

          oh i forgot to mention, the ppl on my list that used the text option to sign up, they are all USA. it does not work outside the states. so at least 70% of my list is from the usa if at the very least, 5% of the email submits thru optin page are from usa which is more like 50% of them are

          and the shipping and handling dont exist since they are information products (instant downloads)
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          • Profile picture of the author DIABL0
            Originally Posted by soutthills01 View Post

            yes i belong to maxbounty. i make around $4 with them. as far as the rest of your message i dont understand seed accounts. what is that?

            oh i forgot to mention, the ppl on my list that used the text option to sign up, they are all USA. it does not work outside the states. so at least 70% of my list is from the usa if at the very least, 5% of the email submits thru optin page are from usa which is more like 50% of them are

            and the shipping and handling dont exist since they are information prodcuts (instant downloads)
            So all you are promoting is info products?

            Seed accounts are email accounts that you set up and then send messages to them to test your inbox placement.
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            • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
              yeah I will never use yahoo or gmail to send emails. no internet marketer does that. I am doing everything by the book if you believe in email marketing principles. I would just be really surprised if somebody could fix my situation. Cause if they could they would be on the path to millions ....
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      • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
        my lists are weight loss, weightlifting, dog training, paleo diet, smoothies and how to get a flatter belly (fitness/weight loss) and i have 1 more list that shows people how to get their first 10,000 real instagram followers. so very diverse and yet still striking out with my subs when it comes to coversions.
        There's your problem and solution right there. You're in a hyper competitive niche.

        You're getting traffic from a platform; Instagram which is mostly a place where people can fantasize about what they want to become and the things they want to buy (cars, homes, jewelry, etc.).

        They live out their "dreams" by viewing others' photos. Even worse, you're competing with so many others in the body building, weightlifting, etc. niches.

        You'll be able to monetize that list if you focus on differentiating yourself from the competition.

        You can differentiate yourself by LIVING WHAT YOU POST. Are you posting photos of yourself in the gym weightlifting? Are you making IG stories featuring yourself weighing yourself? Are you connecting these eyeballs to a real person with a real story?

        People don't buy products anymore. They buy people. With 25,000 people you are uniquely positioned to be able to begin crafting and telling your story.

        You have to connect yourself to the content and distribute content through other platforms. Turn yourself into the product - lead with your own product, BEFORE pumping affiliate offers (as I assume you're doing).

        The rules of internet marketing will be changing as generations get older. What worked for Frank Kern in the late 90's / early zeroes won't work for most. My list is small, only 5,000 or so people, but I know every single Friday I can "print" myself a nice 4 figure paycheck because I spend the rest of the week connecting people to my story. I am the product. No one can compete with me.

        That being said, if you're looking to monetize that list I would start promoting offers that are universally appealing; how to make money comes to mind. It doesn't have to be about making money online - it could be "How to Make $100 on Your Next 1,000 IG Followers" for instance...

        I hope this helps.

        P.S. Forget about giving away free stuff. You're going to get more quality opt-ins when folks opt-in to your list as a means to get behind the scenes access to your journey.

        Or, you can get them opt-ed into your list to receive first alert about a PAID product you'll be launching soon where you'll show them "exactly how I got shredded abs in 8 weeks." But the key is to deliver. So, get yourself in the gym, get results, and get paid to achieve them. Win. Win. Win!
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        • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
          Hey bee thanks for the response.

          I have never actually taken a picture of myself in my life so I do not use Instagram to promote myself. I use aliases. The niches I am in I really don't even have an extreme amount of knowledge in but with magazines, books and blogs, you can find all the knowledge you need to help someone with their problem.

          I have very successful (ish) Instagram accounts in each niche. Some accounts have over 60,000 followers and they would not be interested in following an account about weight lifting or losing weight if they didn't want to lose weight or build muscle.

          I really think I am doing everything correct when it comes to email marketing other than being totally different I guess but I should be able to be at least moderately successful regardless by providing value and promoting the best converting information products.

          In regards to the teaching them how to make money. I can't even make money so I definitely can't show them how to.

          I know about eating healthy lifting weights and growing instagram accounts so I would like to stick with what I sort of know.

          I really don't think I can go from telling people how to lose weight or building muscle to how to making money. That just seems completely out of left field for them reading the emails.

          One day I am telling them about a diet and then the next I am telling them how to make money. I want to stay consistent at the very least.

          I am willing to try anything at this point but I feel like all I need is one good funnel and I can run like hell with it but I can't seem to even get the engine running at this point.

          I am getting almost 300 clicks per day on my affiliate offers I promote but nobody buys so I am at least getting them to the offers but only sales matter in reality.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
            I used to be like you...

            I used to defend myself by saying "I'm doing EVERYTHING right... but I'm not making money."

            You took my suggestions way too literally. You have a list of 25,000 people who will not open their wallet to give you a dime. Rather than fixing the problem, you're telling yourself, the forum, and me the following:

            I really think I am doing everything correct when it comes to email marketing other than being totally different I guess but I should be able to be at least moderately successful regardless by providing value and promoting the best converting information products.
            My CORE list is less than half the size of yours.

            I add about 200 total subs to my list every single week and roughly 20 of them give me $200-$300 every single week.

            What am I doing right that you aren't? Why are folks willing to give me $4k to $6k every single Friday whereas they won't buy your affiliate offers?

            Finally, you have taken my examples too literally. Here's the bottom line

            AUTHENTICITY SELLS

            Find a niche where you can be AUTHENTIC and people believe in YOU and not what you're "offering" and you'll never starve.
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            • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
              I meant that I am following the blueprints and AIDA formulas that are in all of the courses and marketing books I have read.

              Obviously I am not doing what is right to make them buy but the techniques that are taught thru books, blogs and courses, I have followed.

              The real question is how do you email your subs. Daily? I try to. I've also tried every other day.

              What do you talk about when you email them. Do you just provide value, tell stories, hard sell. What exactly do you put in your emails?

              That's the secret potion isn't it? Knowing what to write and when to write it.

              I just have no clue how to educate someone without giving away the farm so they don't need to purchase anything but just read my emails.

              I would love to just work with somebody that thinks they could turn my list into buyers but it seems nobody is interested even for a percentage of sales.

              I did briefly work with one guy who got my open rates up but his emails were to just get clicks on my links. The emails were useless other than that and still no sales.

              I feel like the emails that have the most value have the absolute worst clicks and the ones that just look like a crappy solo email get better clicks but those emails are garbage to your subs after about a week since it just screams buy my crap.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
                I have never in my life purchased a book, course, or coaching on IM. I've used this forum and it's many great contributors to my benefit. I am physically incapable of buying and / or following a system someone wrote with the intent to get my money. You got hustled sir. You were a target. A mark. You were easy money for all these people you gave money to.

                The MINUTE you wake up passionate and focused on offering something UNIQUELY valuable to folks, you won't go to bed hungry. Keep buying books and trying to push affiliate offers to an e-mail list who was only interested in your freebie and see how far it gets you.

                You could have spent ZERO DOLLARS and consumed Jeff Walkers' free content on YouTube and be in a better position than you're in now. He charged $2,000 for the paid stuff. I didn't pay a dime. I took was was important from the FREE stuff, implemented it, then I looked at guys like Frank Kern, Tony Robbins, Tai Lopez, etc. and I sat, thought, opted in, analyzed sales pages, etc.

                You expect to become an IM success by giving folks money who tell you they have the "blueprint."

                Instagram is a good traffic source if you're offering something UNIQUELY valuable. I get leads / sales from IG and I BARELY post. Imagine if I posted? What happens is, they'll PM me asking; "I saw your post, how can I learn what you're featuring in your post?"

                When you get folks sending you PM"s BEGGING you to access whatever it is you're marketing on IG, you'll do well.

                Right now, I'm afraid that list of 25,000 people has little value to you, me, or anyone else. They aren't prospective buyers.
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                • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
                  Well I wasn't ever hustled thankfully.

                  I bought all my books used on amazon thru the 2nd or 3rd owner of that particular book and I never consider reading a book a bad thing, especially when I knew nothing about internet marketing to begin with and the courses I bought were thru a third party website that sells internet marketing course for like 2% of what the actual courses cost from original creator.

                  So like a $1997 course is $22 and the creator of the course never sees a dime of that money but (semantics). I catch your drift.

                  I would never pay full price for any marketing class or book or even 10% of the original cost.

                  I understand they only teach you 80% of what you need to know and the other 20% you have to just figure out how...

                  To be fair to the books and courses I read I am on pace to double what I made last year so I got some value from them but I see your point. The free stuff can be just as valuable if not more sometimes.
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  • Profile picture of the author abhijith2011
    Hey,

    Umm... It's just my opinion but most of the subscribers are just freebie seekers and don't actually have an interest in spending anything.
    Did you offer them a report or something to opt-in to your list?

    It's important to warm up your list before promoting anything or even before providing value.
    Do they know who you are? Frankly, I won't buy anything from someone I don't know.

    You gotta introduce yourself first and let them know what they'll be getting - like who you are - what you do - what are you going to provide them - also let them know you'll be promoting occasionally to cover up the costs etc --> They just need a reason to buy anything.

    Maybe I am way off of your problem but I just interpreted it my way and gave a reply here
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      yes i offer the something free like a pdf. i also introduce myself, tell my story and how i will be helping them. just seems like it doesn't matter what i change or try since i get the same results no matter what.
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  • Profile picture of the author duterian
    I used to be in a similar situation (although not as bad as yours).

    I had an email funnel on my site (4 emails) for my product. I was getting about 70 - 110 subs per day. But I didn't make many sales. So I sent emails to people who had read the last email (the sales pitch) and asked them why they didn't why.

    That's what I would do if I were you. It's better than guessing...
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    • Profile picture of the author soutthills01
      thanks for the reply but not sure what you mean. i warm them up and tell them exactly what they are to expect. even if 90% are freebie seekers why dont the othe 10% buy?
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  • Profile picture of the author Harry Exper
    Simply change the things you are offering to them. Since your goal is to make $100 or more daily and not to make sales, try going the route of ppd or pps. The key to making $100 or more daily is getting conversions, not getting sales. If you can't get sales, try getting sign ups or downloads that you will make money from.
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  • It has to be in the emails or it could have something to do with people subscribing that are freebie seekers. If your accidentally targeting those looking for something free, you're list could be full of freebie seekers.

    If they are going to your links and not buying, it's your landing/sales page. If they are not even clicking on the links in the emails, it could be your email content. It could also be the way you're getting your subscribers as many people have an old email, second email or specific email for spam. They may use this just to get what you're giving away and never pay attention to what you send after that.

    Look at what your subscribers are doing and you can start to trace the problem.

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Isaiah Jackson
    Drop a link for your email capture page.

    Let us subscribe and see what you are doing right and what you are doing wrong.
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