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Wilson Agbeyegbe |
 Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:15:49
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There is a thread about this already  |
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Steven Wagenheim |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:17:35
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Wow, this is probably the biggest change to Ebay since I can remember.
I can't even fathom what this is going to do to marketers who use Ebay, even
just for something like list building.
I guess they're trying to send Ebay back to what it was originally intended
to be...a marketplace to sell physical products.
Can't say I'm surprised and quite honestly, this is great for those of us who
create PLR and MRR digital products. We don't have to worry about idiots
selling them for $2 on Ebay anymore.
Personally, I think this is the best thing Ebay has done.
Though I have a feeling I may be alone in that opinion.
What's everybody else think? |
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adeel-chowdhry |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:21:24
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THIS IS UNBELIEVABLE AND OUTRAGEOUS!
This WILL have a massive impact worldwide.
We'll just have to wait and see the effects it has.
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Andrew Jacobs |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:24:26
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| Great! I love changes like these.. it usually weeds out some of the idiots/spammers/etc. |
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Chance McDermott |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:29:32
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Massive impact worldwide?
It won't even be a blip on the radar.
Good luck,
Chance |
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adeel-chowdhry |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:34:51
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quote : Originally posted by Andrew Jacobs
Great! I love changes like these.. it usually weeds out some of the idiots/spammers/etc.
Yeah, it'll make things even more challenging. |
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Rick Wilson |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:35:43
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quote : Originally posted by Steven Wagenheim
I guess they're trying to send Ebay back to what it was originally intended to be...a marketplace to sell physical products.
Yeah ... But I don't see anything wrong with that. There's gonna be alot of groaning and gnashing of teeth about this. Many have been "gaming" the eBay system for years now and it's gonna make them change their ways. Doesn't seem tha eBay is too worried about it so far.
That's life online! heh heh
quote :
Can't say I'm surprised and quite honestly, this is great for those of us who create PLR and MRR digital products. We don't have to worry about idiots selling them for $2 on Ebay anymore.
LOL ... That WILL be a more noticeable scenario!
Rick Wilson aka CorpRebel  |
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Michael Silvester |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:36:06
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WOW!
That really sucks ass! I've been
using ebay to build lists for years!
Looks like my products have to be shipped
out on CD now 
Take Care,
Michael Silvester |
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J.Cash |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:36:46
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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n/a |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:42:27
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That Damn eBay
They always find ways to make things way
more difficult than they have to be.
- Nate |
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Kevin Riley |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:42:45
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Where's the problem?
I've used the Classified Ads before. Worked fine. You just don't get feedback.
quote : Hello...This is Brian Burke, Director Global Feedback Policy. Digital goods are often reproduced at little to no cost to the seller. On eBay, this creates the potential for Feedback Manipulation (both real and perceived). To preserve the integrity of the Feedback system, effective March 31 all goods that can be digitally downloaded or transferred electronically must be listed using the Classified Ads format.
Using the Classified Ads format, sellers receive a 30-day ad at a fixed price. This solution enables sellers to continue to market their digital goods on eBay; however, because Classified Ad listings are a lead generation tool and do not result in transactions that go through eBay, Feedback cannot be exchanged between buyer and seller.
Sellers who wish to continue to offer digital goods can do so by selecting the Everything Else>Information Products category in the Sell Your Item form and choosing the Classified Ads format (not auction-style or fixed price). For more information about the Classified Ads format, please read Advertising with Classified Ads. |
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Wilson Agbeyegbe |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:45:03
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quote : Originally posted by Kevin RileyWhere's the problem? I've used the Classified Ads before. Worked fine. You just don't get feedback. quote : Hello...This is Brian Burke, Director Global Feedback Policy. Digital goods are often reproduced at little to no cost to the seller. On eBay, this creates the potential for Feedback Manipulation (both real and perceived). To preserve the integrity of the Feedback system, effective March 31 all goods that can be digitally downloaded or transferred electronically must be listed using the Classified Ads format.
Using the Classified Ads format, sellers receive a 30-day ad at a fixed price. This solution enables sellers to continue to market their digital goods on eBay; however, because Classified Ad listings are a lead generation tool and do not result in transactions that go through eBay, Feedback cannot be exchanged between buyer and seller.
Sellers who wish to continue to offer digital goods can do so by selecting the Everything Else>Information Products category in the Sell Your Item form and choosing the Classified Ads format (not auction-style or fixed price). For more information about the Classified Ads format, please read Advertising with Classified Ads.
Classified ads cost $9.99 to list, plus how do you become a
powerseller now, since ebay cannot track classifieds sales |
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Joe Giannetti |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:49:00
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I agree with Steven .
Tired of seeing great products on ebay for 2 cents....it just destroys the value of ebooks in general....I think ebay is starting to see a way to increase their profit margins with this new policy. |
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MSutton |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:50:43
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quote : Originally posted by Nathan_Johnson
That Damn eBay
They always find ways to make things way
more difficult than they have to be.
- Nate
And that is why it is utterly foolish to rely on a marketplace that you do not own for sales and leads. You are at the mercy of the marketplace and you have no say in their decision making process.
Ask all the electronics and "everything else" sellers on Half.com how it is. When half.com (a division of ebay) decided to go back ot their original ways and disallow sales of anything other than media (books, CD's, games, etc) lots of people and businesses that did not want to or could not sell on ebay for whatever reason got left out in the cold.
And ask all the long-time online booksellers at Amazon how devastating it was when Amazon began to not show their listings and then other times show them and never own up to the fact that they were either doing it on purpose or had a major server problem, leaving many with nothing but to have to look for a job all of a sudden.
Never allow your business to rely heavily on a marketplace. Never. It's probably the single most foolish thing you can do in online selling and marketing. |
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n/a |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:54:38
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quote : Originally posted by MSuttonquote : Originally posted by Nathan_Johnson
That Damn eBay
They always find ways to make things way
more difficult than they have to be.
- Nate
And that is why it is utterly foolish to rely on a marketplace that you do not own for sales and leads. You are at the mercy of the marketplace and you have no say in their decision making process. Ask all the electronics and "everything else" sellers on Half.com how it is. When half.com (a division of ebay) decided to disallow sales of anything other than media (books, CD's, games, etc) lots of people and businesses that did not want to or could not sell on ebay for whatever reason got left out in the cold. Never allow your business to rely heavily on a marketplace. Never.
Haha, I never said that I relied heavily on a marketplace,
but it was just easy marketing. That's all I'm saying. |
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MSutton |
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MSutton |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 19:58:09
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quote : Originally posted by Nathan_Johnsonquote : Originally posted by MSuttonquote : Originally posted by Nathan_Johnson
That Damn eBay
They always find ways to make things way
more difficult than they have to be.
- Nate
And that is why it is utterly foolish to rely on a marketplace that you do not own for sales and leads. You are at the mercy of the marketplace and you have no say in their decision making process. Ask all the electronics and "everything else" sellers on Half.com how it is. When half.com (a division of ebay) decided to disallow sales of anything other than media (books, CD's, games, etc) lots of people and businesses that did not want to or could not sell on ebay for whatever reason got left out in the cold. Never allow your business to rely heavily on a marketplace. Never. Haha, I never said that I relied heavily on a marketplace, but it was just easy marketing. That's all I'm saying.
Don't take it personally. I was just making a general point. Sorry you took offense. |
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n/a |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:07:54
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quote : Originally posted by MSuttonquote : Originally posted by Nathan_Johnsonquote : Originally posted by MSuttonquote : Originally posted by Nathan_Johnson
That Damn eBay
They always find ways to make things way
more difficult than they have to be.
- Nate
And that is why it is utterly foolish to rely on a marketplace that you do not own for sales and leads. You are at the mercy of the marketplace and you have no say in their decision making process. Ask all the electronics and "everything else" sellers on Half.com how it is. When half.com (a division of ebay) decided to disallow sales of anything other than media (books, CD's, games, etc) lots of people and businesses that did not want to or could not sell on ebay for whatever reason got left out in the cold. Never allow your business to rely heavily on a marketplace. Never. Haha, I never said that I relied heavily on a marketplace, but it was just easy marketing. That's all I'm saying. Don't take it personally. I was just making a general point. Sorry you took offense.
Oh, I didn't take offense and it is a great point.
Nothing personal buddy, I agree with you.
- Nate |
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pwebbiz |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:17:27
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A few additional points:
This will stop people from being able to RACK UP massive amounts of feedback for a few dollars
I'm curious to see what DLGuard Sam thinks about this since he put so much time into making DLGuard work well with ebay
Hmmmm....time to get a kunaki automator that works with ebay ;)
And I think this will GREATLY help stop ebook price depreciation! |
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buckapple |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:30:14
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As far as getting rid of the cheap ebooks, I don't think that will happen. You will just see a bunch of ads selling a hundred ebooks for $1....start your own business. They will still show up along with the other auctions.
Who knows why ebay does anything?? :) They make good money off of thousands of ebook listings, whether they sell or not. So they probably smell money by throwing it in the ad section. They say it's because cheap ebooks tend to degrade the feedback system but to me their feedback system is going to be mute with just buyers leaving feedback after awhile....it will be interesting to watch this unfold.
Before the ebook craze hit, I believe people were getting quick feedback with coupons and such, I wonder if the other cheap stuff will go away also...I'm sure people were leaving feedback before the coupons arrived in the mail... |
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DennisM |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:43:44
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Hi All,
I used to be an eBay Powerseller. I still have my original account. I just hit 10 years with it! You'd thought eBay would have mailed me a certificate or a watch. LOL
One idea I had was to offer the item on CD with FREE shipping and say something in the listing "Winning bidders, contact me for shipping options including digital delivery". I guess the only way this would work is if eBay still allows digital products to be sold on media. If not, then it looks like it's the classified section.
It's like the trick with open box software now. You have to sell the software with a computer part. Most of the listings are with a dead hard drive or a broken CD drive.
There is a workaround I guess if one really wants to sell on there.
Dennis |
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buddafuko69 |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:51:49
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This really sucks! 10 months ago I switched from sending out my products on cd to making them instantly digital and it's been so great, but DAMN! Is there REALLY a valid, I mean, REAL valid reason for this? This really sucks beyond recognition.
I decided to go digital because sometimes mailings would get lost or take longer than usually, resulting in ANGRY ebayers leaving me negative feedback. Since going digital I have NEVER received any negative feedback.
Again, this really sucks beyond recognition. This really pisses me and a lot of legitimate sellers that offer quality digital products off, I'm sure!
Im slowly moving on from ebay and just relying on my own sites and clickbank, which make me more money anyways and I don't have to be governed by a system such as ebay's that at any given moment can completely screw up my business by actions like this.
And who says that ebay is supposed to be a marketplace to sell physical products only? That's bullcrap, it's the 21st century, digital products are where it's at, instant delivery, no waiting for mail, mail delays or even lost mail anymore. I would think it was step up for products that can easily be made accessible digitally.
It might really suck now, but Im sure there is a light at the end of this - and that is to get more control of your online business and venture beyond ebay. Unless you mainly sell physical products of course.
Again, this sucks and I know I ain't the only one that feels this way. |
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Alexandre Valois |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 20:57:41
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Wait a minute .... am I the only one to see this as a world of new opportunities opening?
Good.
Less competition :)
Alex. |
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Kyle Tully |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 21:05:33
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If your entire business lives or dies by the rules set by another business the bad news came the minute you started it ;) |
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George Wright |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 21:36:59
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Hi All,
One of the first products I bought on eBay was a "How To" set of eBay instructions. It was sold by eBay member DaddFrank and It had to be at least 10 years ago, I think more. It cost about $12 + postage.
DaddFrank is long gone (there is a dadfrank but he is not the same) but he sold a ton of those instructions according to his feedback.
It was not a digital download. It was not a floppy or CD. It was an 8 1/2 blue card stock printed on both sides with fine print.
Following through with that idea today under the new rules what is to stop basically the same thing. Your downloads printed on card stock.
In fact you could send an entire printed booklet.
No, not from lulu.com or any other fulfillment house except one. The United States Post office.
The USPS web site has a service that for little more than the cost of postage they will print and mail anything from a standard post card to an 8 1/2 X 11 sheet to an entire booklet.
What does that song say, "everything old is new again."
Of course if you wanted to "modern it up," you could use A CD fulfillment house for $1.65 ea CD or DVD including jewel case + postage.
I think the ones here who said this will open up new opportunity are right.
Kevin mentioned that eBay Classifieds worked fine for him except no feed back. This might be a good thing because with the no negative feed back for buyers rule many more buyers are going to be giving sellers neg. feedback. Why? Just because they can.
George Wright |
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jcockrum |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 22:00:21
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I've only had a few minutes to digest the news, but I'm not seeing the downside here...
Classifieds ads on eBay are GREAT. They show up right along all the other listings and eBay has actually just given us OFFICIALLY the green light to put links to external websites inside classified ads. They didn't have a policy on this issue before. WOW - this is GREAT NEWS guys.
This will be a hot topic for a week or so, but the end result is going to be some HUGE opportunities for all of us that are paying attention. |
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roulettered56 |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 22:00:39
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Please can someone clarify what this means please?
obviously it doesn't mean you can't sell an ebook unless it's classified format right?
of course not.
The biggest ebook market place?
Seriously? |
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garyv |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 22:20:46
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quote : Originally posted by jcockrum
Classifieds ads on eBay are GREAT. They show up right along all the other listings and eBay has actually just given us OFFICIALLY the green light to put links to external websites inside classified ads. They didn't have a policy on this issue before. WOW - this is GREAT NEWS guys.
Actually it's not that great. A Classified ad lasts for 30 days. That means that it will take about 30 days for your auction to show up on the first page for your search words. Most ebayers use the search function to buy their products. And by default, ebays search results list the auctions that are ending soonest.
Also - Classified ads don't have nearly the conversion rate that a regular auction does, because you're not using the ebay checkout procedure. People go to ebay to buy from ebay. If they are directed away from ebay, they tend not to buy. |
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Hendry Lee |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 23:39:57
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Does it include the web site for sell type of product?
Those who make five figures per month selling how to get rich for $9.95 with their girl friend photos are outraging... :-)
Now people can't collect feedback quickly by buying or selling $.01 wallpapers...
It's sad that lead generation is also affected. Classified is not working as well as the auction format.
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shreekay85 |
Posted - 03/24/2008 : 23:53:53
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well this drives all fair weather marketers(not even marketers,more like online retailers) out and gives opportunity to the more intelligent ones..would definitely remove alot of clutter.,all those selling 1 dollar ebooks for feedback purposes more or less dead.
those who know what their cost per customer acquisition is know how much they can afford to get each customer,so there are ways around it.they can change the digital delivery to a CD delivery.Sure it costs more,so instead of 1 dollar auctions you put 5 dollar auctions,less customers,BUT your prospects are a hell lot more qualified.Better quality customers.
P.S Classified ads also turn up together with normal auctions in listings.:whistle: |
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Meharis |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 00:09:25
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quote : Originally posted by George Wright
Hi All,
The USPS web site has a service that for little more than the cost of postage they will print and mail anything from a standard post card to an 8 1/2 X 11 sheet to an entire booklet.
The above posting is partial. I'm showing the portion I'm interested in.
Hi George Wright,
I couldn't find that service at the USPS website.
I'll certainly appreciate if you could share the link with us.
Thank you for your time,
Meharis
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nascar2 |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 00:32:17
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| I can understand the issues, however you can still offer an "almost" digital download, by setting it up through Outlook or Outlook express. |
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ExRat |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 01:44:17
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Hi,
I'm interested in what Planetsms thinks about it all, although he has already built a huge list, no doubt.
Thorny, what's the score? |
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thebestgenius |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 02:20:45
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That is huge news to me. I've been a Power Seller for E-books for awhile now (still am officially but stopped selling). Luckily I decided to move off of ebay and haven't looked back. They simply have too much power to rely on it as a primary source of income.
However I do see CD's being an excellent way to make some good money in light of the change. I've seen a fair amount of sellers for awhile now selling the same E-books as everyone else, but charge much higher (and still make sales) because it is on a CD.
I'd also love to hear Planetsms' thoughts on this. |
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research |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 02:44:38
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quote : Originally posted by Steven Wagenheim
Wow, this is probably the biggest change to Ebay since I can remember.
I can't even fathom what this is going to do to marketers who use Ebay, even
just for something like list building.
I guess they're trying to send Ebay back to what it was originally intended
to be...a marketplace to sell physical products.
Can't say I'm surprised and quite honestly, this is great for those of us who
create PLR and MRR digital products. We don't have to worry about idiots
selling them for $2 on Ebay anymore.
Personally, I think this is the best thing Ebay has done.
Though I have a feeling I may be alone in that opinion.
What's everybody else think?
I think it will be interesting to see if . . . finally we will see a return to normally within the Ebook marketplace.
Perhaps the 1 cent, 99 cent and all other low, low bargain priced eBooks will come to an end. (Not before time, in my opinion).
If marketers now have to resort to CD-R delivery of eBooks and Digital Products surely prices will increase dramatically as an adjustment to combat operational costs, production, packing, handling and despatch.
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MrLewisSmile |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 02:57:27
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It's interesting that their new rules would seem to include websites for sale, php scripts, graphics designers, etc.
They can all be downloaded digitally.
I have been expecting ebay to make a move like this for a few years.
This will put an end to floodle.net now I imagine! |
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Tristan Bull |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 03:02:01
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| Does this apply to just eBay US or all eBay sites. I know the US is the biggest market but you still have Australia and the UK. |
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nascar2 |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 03:54:27
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| All ebay sites! |
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traceye |
Posted - 03/25/2008 : 04:31:09
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The news item isn't listed anywhere on the UK or Aus ebay sites, only the US one.
I guess I'll find out in a week whether my business will tumble to the ground or not!
Tracey
P.S. I just applied for Clickbank approval on a product on how to sell ebooks on ebay - how great is my timing! |
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BAD NEWS Ebay Limits Digital Dowloads 2 Classified
Problem is, this affects all digital product sellers so even those selling their own scripts get shafted. 