warrior2008

Hey Warriors,

I just got an email from PayGear.com about switching over from PDC.

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Email Sent:

Subject: affiliate system

From: "Ryan Campbell" <(email Blocked Out)> (Add as Preferred Sender)

Date: Tue, Jul 07, 2009 9:46 am
To: (email Blocked Out)

I see you are using PayDotCom to process your orders. Not
only do they supply their members with limited features, they
are far more expensive and supply almost no support.
My name is Ryan Campbell and I am affiliated with the site
PayGear.com

I want to start off by saying we will give you your first 500
sales for free if you would like to try our system. That’s
right your first 500 orders will be processed by us at no
charge, we pay your transaction fee for you.

Plus you will see we offer far more to our members. Just some
of the extra features you get with us include: free to list as
many products as you want. Process orders by PayPal, Google
Checkout or your own credit card processor. Offer coupon
codes to your customers to entice a sale. Customize your own
logo on your checkout page, plus you can Import custom PayPal
checkout pages for each product. Better reporting system …
The list goes on and on.

Plus we charge about half price, but that will not matter for
months because you can try our system for free right now.
If you’re interested please send me a reply and I will forward
you a promotion code so your first 500 trades will be paid for
by us.

Thank you,

Ryan Campbell
(email Blocked Out)

P.S If you have any questions also please let me know.


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I will not be switching but may want to diversify a bit. The marketplace looks new... so there are Pros and Cons to this. Some top sites have no affiliate stats yet. Here is what I and maybe others would like to know... Have you heard of these guys and if so what has your research of this company brought back? Please, tell all here. There are loads of similarities to Paydotcom it seems, so it looks as if it will try to go head to head with Mike Filsaime's PayDotcom.

Please let us know what you think before we list here. If you think it's worth beta testing.



I see that PayDotCom.com has an Alexa Ranking of... 7,641 Traffic Rank

and PayGear.com has an Alexa Ranking of... 163,297 Traffic Rank



Once again, your opinion is GREATLY appreciated here!

Cheers,

Warrior2008

Michael Mayo

Hi Warrior2008,

Anything that you can logically look at and test is most likely worth a try/test run.

All new markets begin this way and they either live or die a quick death.

I'll do some research before I choose to diversify my portfolio.

Thanks for the heads up about the possible new venue.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

warrior2008

Yes, you bet. I just don't have any new sites yet to place here but I will see what I can write. My other ones are hanging in there at ClickBank and Paydotcom but it sure would be nice to see if one could get instant affiliate join spotlight here fast!

Thanks,

Warrior2008

warrior2008

Looks like they have no advertisers yet either. Hmm... maybe good or maybe
just an opportunity to lock in a spot if they do get there...
Here is what they say for advertising opportunities...

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"How would you like to have your ad viewed thousands of
time in a single week? Every time a guest visits our site
logged in or not they see ads on the Marketplace page.
For just $25, your ad can be part of that rotation for a
full seven days, getting you in front of an unlimited number
of visitors. That’s a great deal, and it can bring you an
amazing return on your investment!".

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Not sure why no spots are filled yet!

Cheers,

Warrior2008

SolomonHuey

There's more sites that try to duplicate Clickbank and PayDotCom's success than many realize.

Unless they already have a massive, targeted, growing mailing list built BEFORE they launched this site, they aren't a serious threat. I don't care if their fees are less.

Top affiliates already know where to go to find products to promote.

I want affiliates that know how to make sales. Clickbank and PayDotCom has that.

Solomon Huey

warrior2008

Mike,

It's been a while. Nice of you to help advise. Thanks for your input as always

Stay Golden,

Warrior2008

dsmpublishing

I must admit i had the exact same email myself yesterday - so they must be picking us at random on paydotcom.

kind regards


sam
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warrior2008

Thanks for the heads up!

Cheers,

Warrior2008

RevenueRabbi

although, if it's real, it would make a good way for the folks at fatwallet to get credit card miles.

Alan Petersen

I got that email as well so they must be mining PDC somehow to get all those email addresses. I guess it's not that hard to automate a program to harvest PDC merchant URL's then harvest emails from that.

I'm with Mike, any business whose first contact with me is via spam, I will stay away from. I put them in the same category with the spam I get about "SEO services", "weight loss", "enhancements", etc.

RevenueRabbi

TomM1234 = paygear troll?

warrior2008

Not sure what PayGear Troll means but I have an idea. Care to elaborate please?

Thanks,

Warrior2008

Rolliesworld

I find their website and what they offer intriguing. I sent them a support ticket with a pre-sales question the other day and got a prompt reply. I wanted to know if I would be able to communicate with the affiliates of my products and add to my list so I can provide ongoing training and support and build a relationship with them?

They responded saying yes, you can contact one affiliate, all the affiliates for a specific product, or all your affiliates for all products at any time.

I haven't signed up with PayDotCom nor them as yet, so I am guessing this is a messaging service via their vendor user panel? Is that an effective way of maintaining a good relationship with affiliates? Using an affiliate network is obviously a good way of promoting and selling your product, but at the end of the day they "own" the relationship. I am just wondering if I would have access to the affiliates' contact details or be able to have them opt into my autoresponder?

I have also been wondering how to go about having affiliates promote and be compensated for selling memberships ... for fixed term eCourses and lifetime access to products?

MarkMcDonald

They're a new player & the fact they're randomly spamming people to get more business isn't a positive sign.

Not to mention that YOU WANT AFFILIATES. It's worth paying more money to Clickbank or PaydotCom for that reason: They have the affiliates.

Imo it's not worth the move as a merchant until it picks up more.

Mark

Project-Octagon

Havent tried this out, but to add to PDC and CB, I really like CCBill.

dave147

It's nice to see a bit of healthy competition isn't it? rather than letting one run away with the whole lot

ragstworiches

Hi,

I have just signed up myself, as it is very simple to do. It is a good interface, with
much lower fees and also has a two tier aff commission option. Whether or not they can compete with paydotcom and clickbank is another story. I think Clickbank has way to much of a monopoly and once new networks start competing it is going to be far better for vendors and affiliates.

I don't see why it has to be a decision on which one is the best, if you have products you can quite easily list them on all affiliate networks, by duplicating your site.

As for the way they have gone about contacting, I have no problem someone emailing me about a business service that relates to what I do. As far as I was aware emails from company to another company is not spam.

Phil

Mike Hill

A better approach to starting a business like this would to have been to collect physical mailing addresses from users they are targeting (most sales pages or Whois information can provide this) and send a targeted direct mail campaign...

That's what I would have done

For those whose addresses I could find would be a good starting point to establish a presence in the market. Doing something above and beyond is the way to go if you want to be noticed in a highly competitive area like this.

Let's face it, ClickBank and PayDotCom have a good thing going but if I got a mailing piece about this new service I probably would have checked them out and been a lot more excited about it than just getting a spammed email.

Mike Hill

PS. Something for anyone to think about that is trying to break into a highly competitive market!

seasoned

I'm doing the same thing with clickbank. NOT to get email addresses, but the same thing none the less.

Steve

Ron Killian

I don't like the way they had to put down another service in their e-mail.

Much better ways to market, then this.

Rolliesworld

I don't know why you are all making it such a big issue that a new player in the affiliate network market took the liberty to inform you of a potential alternative to using such a service.

Not only do they appear to have features that are not seen in PDC or CB, but the fees are lower and there is a 2-tier level program.

I think you should not chose an affiliate network based on your belief you will have an army of willing affiliates in no time ... as there is so much low level junk products listed especially in the CB marketplace that it becomes really hard to even be noticed. Moreover, unless you are using an add-on affiliate management script, using CB's hoplink system is prone to commission theft.

Therefore, rather than relying on being found in an affiliate network's marketplace, I would be relying on proactively promoting your affiliate program as you would your own products. This way, it does not really matter which network has the most affiliate members. It's simply a benefit to be able to be found in the network, but one thing to look at it is to consider your buyers to be your best potential new affiliates.

With regard to PDC, I would chose them over CB anytime ... the restrictions CB imposes on its members is rediculous. However, with PDC I feel their support seriously lacks responsiveness - I sent a ticket and marked it pre-sales question - this was 24 hours ago and I still have not heard back. Paygear - within the hour!

I am curious about PDC's announced new features though ... apparently planned for this (northern hemisphere's) summer ...
-like multiple product checkout!!
-receiving data of shopping cart abandonment so leads can be followed up by email and phone!!

Paygear - will you include this, too...??????

warrior2008

Wow! Loads of different opinions here! I test drove their software yesterday to get to know it and if it was not for PDC I would have had a longer learning curve. It seems to test drive and play to the same theme as PDC so it was easy to find what I needed... anyways we will see. I have now learned that they are ONLY 2 months old.

Cheers,

Warrior2008

R Hagel

There are also new players in the Viagra market that have taken the liberty to inform me of a potential alternative to the other online Viagra shops.

Very similar to what we're talking about here, which is why people are making a big issue out of it.

Cheers,
Becky

Michael Mayo

Umm...Becky,
Could you forward me a copy of that email?

J/K

Have a Great Day!
Michael

R Hagel

Again? Really, Michael? It's getting tiresome having to forward every little Viagra and male enhancement ad that hits my inbox...





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Becky

Ryan Campbell

Hi my name is Ryan Campbell and I am in charge of marketing for the new site PayGear.com. I am the one emailing people, I send individual emails only, never spam. I send them to sites that I think can benefit from our service.

I am not asking people to buy anything, I simply ask people if they would like to use our system for free. Most people are delighted at my offer. The bottom line is we do not expect people to stay with our system if they do not think it can add value to their business. At the very least everyone can certainly take advantage of running their product in multiple affiliate systems.

The bottom line is we think order processing/affiliate systems today charge too much and we want to do something about it.

I don’t think anyone else offers as many features as PayGear, but one thing most people seem to love is the fact that you can process orders through several different systems in one interface. PayPal, your credit card processor, or Google Checkout.

It is true we are a new system, but we had to start somewhere.

If anyone here wants to test our system for free for a few months PM me and I will give you the same deal. If you don’t like us, don’t use us and it will cost you zero. If you do like us we will save you thousands over the next year and into the future.

danette77

Thanks for the recommendation, think I might move a few products over there myself and give PayGear a try!

googlerankingexpert

Never tried Paygear, but it sounds pretty good compared to Paydotcom. If they get a lot of advertisers, I might consider switching over.

warrior2008

Hey Ryan,

Thanks for coming on here and giving us more info. It makes us feel a lot better hearing from you. Thanks for the info.

Warrior2008

Alan Petersen

I also appreciate you coming on here to tell your side of things but I still think you spammed. How did you get the email addresses? It appears you got the email addresses from the PDC market place so you were harvesting emails which violates the CAN-SPAM act. I doubt PDC gave you permission to peruse their website looking for emails.

If we had a transactional history it's one thing. But we've never done business before. I never asked for info about your site or gave you my email address.

Since you probably got it from the PDC market place and then emailed your un-solicited commercial email. That's SPAM. Even if you sent them one by one.

CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The CAN-SPAM Act: Requirements for Commercial Emailers

Ryan Campbell

Alan, I never harvested any emails, not sure why you are accusing me of that. I simply would go the site, click the contact link and send the user an email or submit a ticket. That is certainly not spam in any way defined by the can spam act.

Rolliesworld

Hi Ryan, great move from you to comment on this thread.

I mentioned in my earlier post features that PayDotCom were announcing for "this summer", like ...

[... Coming Soon!
Coming in Summer of 2009 we are adding new features like allowing you to accept credit cards via Authorize.net, Google Checkout, 2Checkout, and PayPal Payments Pro. We are also adding shoppingc art features to allow you to sell multiple products at check out with custom affiliate payouts. As well we are adding expiring download pages. And soon we will be providing you with data on customers that abandoned the checkout so you can follow up with them via email, mail, or phone....]

I was wondering if you could tell us if PayGear will come up with the same cool features ... ??

warrior2008

I get a lot of offers within PDC and I sure don't mind. I always welcome other offers. Actually I am very thanksful I knew about PayGear.com this early in the game.

Cheers,

Warrior2008

Ryan Campbell

Rolliesworld,

I can tell you that PayGear already offers Authorize.net, Google Checkout and PayPal Payments Pro.

In fact PayPal Payments Pro is a great feature, if you have a PayGear account it allows you to auto pay your affiliates, and you can do so weekly or monthly, the option is yours. You will never have to download a mass payment file, then upload it to PayPal if you don’t want to.

These are all features being offered a PayGear.com TODAY.

As for the shopping cart, you should see it in PayGear soon, who do you think is going to bring it to you first?

Plus if you have any special needs send them to PayGear, if we deem it to be a useful suggestion we will implement it. PayGear want to make sure you have the tools to succeed.

warrior2008

Hmm... re: "PayGear account it allows you to auto pay your affiliates, and you can do so weekly or monthly", that seems like an interesting feature although I still like paying monthly due to any refund issues... but it's nice that the option is there.

Warrior2008

Ryan Campbell

Warrior2008,

Paying monthly due to refunds is a good idea, but if you pay weekly and an affiliate is paid commission, then the order is refunded, that commission will be deducted off their next week payment. Of course you could still run into trouble if the affiliate never makes another sale again.

warrior2008

Hmm... I definitely like that kind of accounting. So can we pay bi-weekly like CB does?

Warrior2008

SolomonHuey

I'd like to also echo the thoughts that it's a great sign to see someone from PayGear here.

Solomon Huey

Black Hat Cat

Because some people have nothing better to do than rant about things they know little about.

RussGu3

Sounds good to me, but I'm reminded of a couple of other rising stars that went by the wayside - StormPay and GreenZap.

Anyone remember them?

Not sure what caused their demise, but hopefully the PayGear folks have investigated their downfall and taken steps to avoid any bad business decisions that might lead to the same.

But yes, I REALLY LIKE new ideas, concepts, ways of doing things - and the companies that spring up from them.

Competition is a good thing - it keeps everyone sharp. Those who don't keep their edge, fall behind, wither and die. And rightfully so.

So, bring it on PayGear!

I think that if you put your affiliates first and your profits second, you will build a very strong, loyal organization.

Reversing these though, will undoubtedly send you down the same path as StormPay and GreenZap...

Be well,

Ryan Campbell

Warrior2008,

There is no biweekly option, we considered it, but having too many options might be confusing for affiliates who promote a lot of programs. We figured we absolutely needed monthly, then for those who want to pay fast can do weekly.

If you like weekly, but have refund risk you can setup the product in monthly and put it into the marketplace. Then set up the product again on weekly autopay and not list it. Then send personal invites only to those super affiliates you know or trust, this will allow your best and trusted affiliates to be paid weekly while almost completely eliminating your refund risk.

Again, if anyone here wants to try our service for free just PM me, I will be happy to send you a promotion code so you can do so.

warrior2008

Cool, thanks Ryan.

Warrior2008

mentorondemand

I would go online and see if there is any complaints
about this new site. Growing pains can be expected
however non payment issues is what I would
be concern with.

Please let us know how it going.

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yves
the mentor on demand

warrior2008

I could not find any complaints. This Company is two months old so things seem to be just starting to get EXCITING! I like the Alexa ranking for such a new site.

Warrior2008

Ryan Campbell

There are no complaints about us, in fact most people are delighted by how fast we answer their questions or implement something which they require to run their business.
Here is an email I received yesterday.
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Hi Ryan

Thank you very much.

You are really prompt at answering me.
You are very helpful, which is more than I can say for either Clickbank (I often couldn't understand them) or Paydotcom.

If you don't whizz to the top of the charts in record time, then we live in a sorry world. But I think you will.

I have another question, which you may not be able to help me with, but if I don't ask, I'll never know.

I want to be able to offer both of my ebooks at a combined discount. I think I need to think of a links page after they click on your link, but I also wondered if that is in your area?

Kind regards
Madeleine
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We were also able to explain to Madeleine how she can do exactly what we wanted to. Also if anyone else needs something specific for their checkout system that they don’t get anywhere else send us an email, if it’s something we believe to be worthwhile we can design it and install it for you, free of charge.

warrior2008

Ryan,

Is there any kind of APS rating like PDC has, so we know how much we need to grow with affiliate sales to get ranked #1 in each selected marketplace sections?

Also, not to overwhelm you here but... I saw some kind of "ads by PayGear" thing going on and code to grab for our websites and such. What is that for, PPC?

Thanks,

Warrior2008

Ryan Campbell

warrior2008,

There is a scoring system in place but the scores are not posted just rank, we may consider posting actual scores in the future.

I can tell you sales are good for your score, affiliate sales are good for your score and newer sales have the highest weight.

As for the “Ads by PayGear” this is found under the Affiliate Tools >> Website Ad Feed tab. Here you can design your own banner with text links to the products within our system. Works very similar to Google AdSense except you receive full commission when someone makes a sale. We have several different banners to select from, you may change your font, color or several other features of your ad feed to fit your website look.

Emma Ngin

I do feel the same. Unfortunately, that's how they make business.

Madeleine8

I too had an individual email from Ryan (which is not spam). And I decided to make the switch over from Paydotcom, as I found their support was less than I required. I have found Ryan to be extremely helpful, very quick to respond and friendly. Apart from the no set up fees, and no fees for sometime, can you ask for anything more in a company?

I'm still finding my feet with internet marketing, so all the help available is greatly appreciated. I have found that help is readily available from Pay Gear via Ryan. Highly recommended. I wish them the very best.

warrior2008

Thanks Ryan. I have implemented your “Ads by PayGear” system within my signature link below. Now, do they pull all products that are listed in the marketplace? When you say "FULL" commission can you please explain a bit. The webmaster of that site makes his or her percentage so are you saying that PayGear does not get a cut of this?

Thanks Ryan,

Warrior2008