Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4)

Alminc · 07-14-2009, 08:06 AM

Hi Guys,

In a nutshell:

Jeremy and Simon have just launched MME4: Reseller licenses for 5 ready-made membership sites powered by Member Speed software.

Price: $797

Income:
For each site you can: offer free silver membership and hope that they will upgrade to gold membership for $37 (OTO) one time payment.

Plus 50% on reseller licenses sold through your links ($148.5 monthly for each reseller).

Since they know that the traffic is problem they offer some kind of traffic training.

I looked at those 5 sites sales pages and I think that sales letters are very basic.

I'd like to know what you guys think about this offer, would it be
worth the investment?

Almin

drnet · 07-14-2009, 08:17 AM

Personally I am not a fan of the turn-key membership systems.

I have purchased previous Marketing Main Events but they were software products and other excellent PLR material. I really enjoyed them and made decent money with some of the products.

As far as the current MME4 ... I will not be buying this time around. Just not a fan of turn-key membership systems.

Dr Net

Paulo · 07-14-2009, 10:53 AM

On the surface it´s a good deal.

However the reality is that not everything that sounds
good is actually good. Not for you.

I should say those guys are smart marketers who
found a "need" and are delivering.

I´m sure for the creators is good because you´ll be
promoting their products/services...

Now...

How would you be able to compete and differentiate
yourself with hundred others offering the same thing?

This is paramount in marketing.

It doens´t seem clear to me.

Paulo

kiosk2 · 07-14-2009, 10:59 AM

The concept looks reall good but I agree with Paulo in that the better marketers will make the money but that is true with any product.

My one question, and I would love to hear from either Simon, Jeremy or someone who has purchased the sites, are they on separate domains or will it be a kind of site.com?owner1 - site.com?owner2 etc link that all buyers will get?

Alminc · 07-14-2009, 12:13 PM

When I think about this I see that it can be good for
someone who doesn't need to build a business, someone
who already has established online business. In that case
it can be quite easy to switch some existing traffic to those
sites and make some extra income.

But this is not good for building a business. I does not give
you any control over members, it does not allow you to
build a list. You are basically affiliate with 100% commission.
Well, that's maybe why the price is only $797.
I purchased MME3 and I expected this one to be something
really big as they have announced, but I think I will pass this one.

Paulo · 07-14-2009, 12:34 PM

Don´t get me wrong...

This can be quite profitable to established marketers
with big lists to compliment their existing businesses
- but not so sure for most people that need a reliable
source of extra income.

That is what I meant and what I think the site and offer
is not demonstrating clearly.

Paulo

RankHigh · 07-14-2009, 01:00 PM

Quite a disappointment compared to MME3, this time it just looks like a affiliate system with 100% commission... then why we need to pay for the 700+??

AllanWM · 07-14-2009, 03:35 PM

Looks similar to the Mega Red Packet offering a few months back.

Soren Jordansen · 07-14-2009, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiosk2

The concept looks reall good but I agree with Paulo in that the better marketers will make the money but that is true with any product.

My one question, and I would love to hear from either Simon, Jeremy or someone who has purchased the sites, are they on separate domains or will it be a kind of site.com?owner1 - site.com?owner2 etc link that all buyers will get?

It's on 1 domain (well 5, one for each turnkey site) - so the savvy people
would run to buy nice domains for redirects

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alminc

When I think about this I see that it can be good for
someone who doesn't need to build a business, someone
who already has established online business. In that case
it can be quite easy to switch some existing traffic to those
sites and make some extra income.

But this is not good for building a business. I does not give
you any control over members, it does not allow you to
build a list. You are basically affiliate with 100% commission.
Well, that's maybe why the price is only $797.
I purchased MME3 and I expected this one to be something
really big as they have announced, but I think I will pass this one.

Actually you do get squeeze pages and some super neat
stuff that will allow you to build your own list first and then
promote your turnkey sites.

Of course I'm a JV partner and have a bonus down in the
WF classified section, so you might see me as biased...

But I do think this is a killer product and super value and
we will be using it to increase profits from our sales funnel.

And yes I will probably make more than the average joe,
because I have existing traffic, sites, lists etc. but as
someone said that's the case with any product.

Azlan.MY · 07-14-2009, 05:03 PM

My inbox today is full with MME pitching. But sorry, too expensive. Won't buy.

AllanWM · 07-14-2009, 05:05 PM

It is unclear from the salesletter, but is there any control over the membership site? Can the look be changed other than rotatng the ads? Can the owner add/modify content within the memberhip site? Also, can the owner interact with members via email or is this limited to the email scripts provided by the membership?

Any info is greatly appreciated.

AllanWM · 07-14-2009, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiosk2

My one question, and I would love to hear from either Simon, Jeremy or someone who has purchased the sites, are they on separate domains or will it be a kind of site.com?owner1 - site.com?owner2 etc link that all buyers will get?

Great question, does everyone own a subdirectory of the main membership site?

Alminc · 07-15-2009, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllanWM

It is unclear from the salesletter, but is there any control over the membership site? Can the look be changed other than rotatng the ads? Can the owner add/modify content within the memberhip site? Also, can the owner interact with members via email or is this limited to the email scripts provided by the membership?

Any info is greatly appreciated.

You get reseller account for each membership site.
No control over design/content.
No interaction via email with members.

Reseller's url will look like: website.com?rep=resellerID

Actually I am sitting on the fance. There is not enough information
about each site's content and updates, but what's most turning
me off is the very basic sales pages. I would never join the membership
site with such a basic sales letter, so why would my referees?
They could have provided much better sales letters for those sites.
On the other hand there are some super bonuses offered by some
big guns that are maybe more worth than reseller licenses.
If I buy it will be more because of bonuses then the main offer.

gcintermed · 07-15-2009, 03:55 AM

I also purchased MME3, and after all the hype around MME4, I have to admit I was underwhelmed. Or I could just be getting jaded...

Concern #1:
As I understand it, for your $797 you're essentially getting 5 PLR membership sites wrapped in the tools and training to monetize them. One of the criteria I use to evaluate these types of offers is would I buy the product I'm going to be selling. For most PLR products the answer is No. And as Alminc says, for this offer there is simply not enough information to evaluate the content of what you'll be selling.

This is important because without confidence in the value of what you're offering, you're just participating in a multi-level "greater fool theory" business. As in, "I'd never pay $50 for this bottle of vitamins, but if it comes with the rights to sell it to someone else for $50, I can make money with it!" It doesn't matter how easy or automated the system is, if what you're selling isn't worth the price, you don't have a viable business, just a pyramid scheme. Which brings me to ...

Concern #2:
Whenever a salesletter promises that "everything is done for me", and I'll earn income "hands-free", a red flag goes up in my mind. If the system doesn't need me in any way to generate income then why don't they just run it without me? Someone has concluded that they will make more money selling 1000 copies of this for $797 than they would if they just ran all the sites themselves. Which means that at least some of the people will not make their $797 back. Clearly there must be SOME value that the user must add. Not surprisingly, the missing ingredient is usually traffic. At which point you have to ask yourself would you not be better off just spending the $797 to generate traffic to high converting affiliate offers?

To summarize, if a ton of people are promoting the same membership sites, a) why would someone buy from you, and b) why would someone buy at all? Or to put it another way, if you had the traffic to make money from this, is this really where you'd want to send it?

Sorry if this sounds harsh. Maybe I've read too many salesletters from mega-launches and have become cynical. I just think it is important to look beyond the sizzle and evaluate the business proposition.

Soren Jordansen · 07-15-2009, 05:37 AM

Ok first of all on the sales letters for the 5 sites - if you have followed
the prelaunch and/or paid attention to what Simon and Jeremy are
doing you'll know that the $27 sales pages is only there to justify
giving away special free access passes - that's where the money is,
in what they call the Freemium model.

As for the content in the sites themselves... well if you have seen
some of Simon and Jeremy's previous sites you know they always
overdeliver - the content is awesome and something you can feel
proud giving away (or even selling for the $27)

As for the whole they could make more money using these themselves.
Gimme a break - you are marketers right?

Simon and Jeremy has hundreds of membership sites - yes they
could make a lot with these 5 - but they could just build 5 more
(Simon in a content creation fiend).

Lets say they sell 1000 copies - that's a list of $797 buyers -
and they will probably turn quite a few into raving fans, because
they help them make their first money online. Don't think I have
to tell you what that's worth.

TheMole · 07-15-2009, 08:23 AM

I purchased MME4 and spent a few hours to check it out. At this point in time I am more than thrilled with the product. My name will be on a product that surpasses the quality of 99% of IM products out there. Credibility is important to me because I'm building what I hope to be a long term business in this industry. With MME4 I need not fear that I will stuff up because the product was created by specialists and carries the reputation of 2 highly regarded individuals who will NEVER risk damaging a 5 year + track record.

If you are relatively new to online marketing and consider doing membership sites at some stage, I believe this is a great product to build your own list. Yes it is a reseller site and yes there will be many around selling it but you will be able to build your list using autoresponding e-mail letters, banner ads, bonus products, etc, written and created by people who have already made millions doing just that.
The internet marketing industry is growing at lightning speed outside of America and less than 1% has ever heard of the warrior forum or the creators of this package, Hodgkinson and Gislason. I therefor have no problem selling a similar product to other marketers.

This doesn't mean that the product is perfect. I personally would like to see that the paid subsription part of the membership sites are costantly injected with new material to try and keep members for as long as possible. I'm a little concerned that members will join for one month, download everything and unsubscribe if there isn't a compelling reason to stay for next month, but this issue will probably be addressed.

Alminc · 07-15-2009, 09:46 AM

On building a list:

You can build a list only by sending your traffic (if you have any) to
squeeze pages. If you want to have them on your list, they all have to
subscribe to your list before they get access to memberships. You
cannot contact members through your reseller account, only membership
site owners can do that through their admin account.

Visitors must sign up twice: first once on your squeeze page, and when they have confirmed,
you need to send them to membership site home page. Then they have to sign up for membership and confirm again.
So they will be on one external list (yours) and one internal list (owner's).

But okey, a free access to $27 membership can be a good bribe on your
squeeze pages.

Good luck to all who purchase. It may turn to be good investemt for buyers,
but I'm not convinced in profitability. I'll pass this one.

SimonHodgkinson · 07-15-2009, 11:00 AM

Hi Guys

Thanks Soren for explaining a few things and thanks TheMole for your kind words

If you are prepared to listen to my ramblings I'd like to tell you why we created MME4 and perhaps answer some of the other posters questions along the way...

First some history - In 2005 we launched MME1. Inside we offered members a large collection of resell, master resell and PLR materials that they could download and resell themselves. This was mine and Jeremy's first real coalition site and it was (for the time) a hugely successful membership -

Hundreds of members went away happy and made money because they were our members.

Here's some testimonials from way back then:
http://www.marketingmainevent.com/testimonial/

In 2006 we launched MME2... This time we expanded on what we had done in MME1 and brought even more products people could sell themselves. People loved that membership and many successful marketers around today built their business with some of those products. Our goal back then (as it is today) is to provide products that we ourselves would be happy to sell and to help other people become successful as we have.

Here's some testimonials from MME2:
http://www.marketingmainevent2.com/testimonial/

Now after MME2 many of our members asked us about the custom built system we were using to run our sites -

We recognized there was a need in the marketplace for a comprehensive tool that people could use to build their businesses. So we set about turning our custom built system into something more accessible for mass use. The result was MME3 - It launched in June 2007 and sold $1.7M of places in just 7 days (proof I think that we brought out a solution that was needed in our marketplace)

Along with our software (which has since become MemberSpeed) we added rights to more high quality products, tools, services and training and reseller membership systems.

Here's what people said about this membership
http://www.marketingmainevent3.com/testimonial/

We felt that the Marketing Main Events had run their distance... We'd provided quality products, we'd offered training and we'd put in place the tools to help people run their business.

However some members failed in their attempts to put all these things together... The reality is when you are one person on your own learning, researching, planning, developing and building a business is HARD.

Some people they lack time, some lack the technical skills and others just lack experience that can only be gained from actually building a business over a period of years.

Now both Jeremy and I consider ourselves to be incredibly fortunate people. We work hard and we put in the effort and that (along with the 8 or 9 years we have been doing this for) has given us the experience to become very successful in what we do.

So just to answer gcintermed's question here: "why don't they just run it without me?"

We already do - We have over 40 active membership sites between us, we have a network of over 235,000 members and in the last 3 years we have generated $7.9 Million in membership sales. (This is in addition to our regular business interests which are varied and profitable)

Now we're offering to run it with "you" because not everything is about how much money we can make -

Maybe you think like that but we are NOT doing this just to 'make money' - I can assure you there are easier ways.

Our biggest driving factor (and reason why MME4 came back) was because we want to help other people become successful too. (Some people don't understand that I'm sure, but while I enjoy the fruits of my labour and the trappings of wealth we still both believe that you can only become truly successful by bringing people along for the ride with you.)

Simply put - At the end of the day you cannot take money with you, life has to be about something more...

A year ago the option was - Do nothing - or create a HUGE training course that would teach people how we run our membership sites, how we drive people into our sales funnels and how we monetize those systems. It would have also included - How we create content, how we manage our business and a hell of a lot more...

Demand is there and it would have been an easy seller.

But instead we went for a third option - Help people *more* by removing a 5 year learning curve and some hefty costs -

Just do it for them.

The world and his dog might want to sell you a training course... and another and another ... we wanted to be a different and challenge ourselves by building you a business.

Rather than continue to provide people products they might not know how to sell, rather than continue providing people with tools they would need to learn how to use and master, and rather than force people into intensive training and a VERY sharp learning curve where ultimately many would not go the distance we went with *building the system for them*

In the process we eliminated all the labour and time intensive actions for people - Researching and creating very high quality content (including reports, audios, videos), designing the sites (saving them the trouble of hiring a designer... many of whom would charge more for 1 site design than we are offering 5 fully built membership systems for)

We also wanted to save people the time it takes to learn how to write sales copy or the cost of hiring a copywriter to do it for them, we also wanted to remove the need for them to buy domain names, aquire hosting or employ / staff a customer support desk.

And just to answer your comment Almin - what you can see (without looking further) is just one element (a small one) of the sales system - As Soren mentioned the page you have seen is effectively a long form squeeze page people can use to bring in FREE members into their sales funnel.

And yes we also wanted to give people the opportunity to instantly own something and profit from it right away - Not 6, 12 or 18 months down the road.

Are we stupid for wanting to do that?

Should we have just stuck with a formula we know would have made us a lot of money in a very short space of time but that would probably still leave many in the same position they were when they started?

Sure it would have been MUCH easier to package together a training system to teach people what we do.

Heck we could have done that a year ago and been on to MME5 right now - BUT shock horror ... we actually care what happens to our members - Giving people 10 ring binders worth of content and 40 hours of video is no guarante they'll get through it let alone putting everything into action, test it, trial it and finally profit from it.

So we spent a year of our time and built a system that in just a few hours MME4 members could be up and running just like us.

Yes we hope they will learn from indirectly (there is a lot of great information here on traffic generation, email marketing, affiliate marketing, success mindset and general web marketing) - It's inside every membership site our members will own. We also hope that by making this instantly available our members will in turn teach thousands more all those basics of generating an income for themselves.

Plus as our members become familiar with our systems and seeing for themselves how things work we believe many more will begin to run parallel sites of their own and earn more from them as a result.

gcintermed also you mention "the missing ingredient is usually traffic. At which point you have to ask yourself would you not be better off just spending the $797 to generate traffic to high converting affiliate offers?"

That's a very simplified point of view - I think for many people your suggest isn't the answer - If that works for you I'm pleased (REALLY) but think about this rather than spending $797 and generating some commissions wouldn't it be better to also drive that traffic into a site that is fully built and monetized, a site where you get 100% of the income? Wouldn't it be easier to drive traffic to any offer with the promise of a valuable incentive such as a free place in your membership site where later you could promote MULTIPLE affiliate programs rather than just one time one hit.

It's a question of scale your solution isn't wide enough to be the ultimate answer - Think about it wouldn't it be better if that one site was linked to another 4 (or another 9 - yes MME4 members can have 10 sites if they wish) in your network with multiple opportunities to make affiliate commissions, subscription fees etc. Scale up your ambition and you will make a lot more money.

Just one more thing - Yes we do think someone with an existing list, an existing membership site or existing traffic will make a lot of money from our system... But equally we believe someone just getting started will make much more with it too ... With everything done for you, you only need focus your attention on bringing in new members. (about 1/20th of what's involved in building a membership site from scratch) - And yes we are going to show people how to do that to.

Okay rambled on enough here - Have a good day

Simon

AllanWM · 07-15-2009, 04:24 PM

Simon,

Thank you for taking the time to post your comments, the information is truly appreciated. I sent you a PM with some follow-up. Thanks.

Marty S · 07-17-2009, 12:54 AM

I am still not clear on if the sellers will be planning to update the content in the membership sites so as to encourage long-term membership.

impact-productions · 07-17-2009, 08:44 AM

Likewise, it's not clear in the sales letter how many months of content are included with the memberships (or for how long they will be updated for without additional charges). Can anyone confirm? Some of the bonus offers do look very tempting.

AllanWM · 07-17-2009, 02:15 PM

Simon,

Does the reseller of the sites have the ability to view information of the members? Can the reseller view name, email, member status, etc.? Thanks.

Take care,
Allan

brainworker · 07-17-2009, 03:11 PM

$797?

Can't even justify paying $97 for this one!

AllanWM · 07-17-2009, 03:14 PM

brainworker,

If you don't mind, could you share your thoughts on MME4 not being able to justify a $97 price tag? I am interested in hearing information from all sides. Thanks.

Take care,
Allan

Quote:

Originally Posted by brainworker

$797?

Can't even justify paying $97 for this one!

RoyChan · 07-17-2009, 03:44 PM

This one looks very similar to MegaRedPacket.

What's the difference? What's the catch? What's the USP for affiliate/ reseller?

It seems like folking out $797 to buy the ticket to generate the backend sales for the content provider, for the "opportunity" to have the front end sale/ opportunity to get people to upgrade to higher level. But where does the reseller add value? where can the affiliate/ reseller be known to the buyer? Is there an autoresponder capture by the reseller?

I have been thinking of the above, since a reputable marketer has been jaming my inbox and shouting it's the nicest and best product in 2009. I searched high and low for this offer and surprised to see cash rebate up to $360 is available.

It seems to me that buyers paying $797 to give away their leads for content provider's backend profits, in return for the potential front end $27 one off or higher $, if the referee like to do the same - to upgrade.

Something seems lacking or perhaps it's just me?

Bakai · 07-17-2009, 10:58 PM

I bought MME4 and I am also interested in knowing if additional content will be added. Otherwise why would anyone stay for more than one month?

Obviously, the best way to market these sites will be with your own bonuses included in the offer. Then, for the buyer to get the bonus they will have to opt in to your list.

AllanWM · 07-17-2009, 11:06 PM

Bakai,

What are your first impressions of the sites? Anything stand-out to you? How much contact will you be permitted with your members? Thanks.

Take care,
Allan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bakai

I bought MME4 and I am also interested in knowing if additional content will be added. Otherwise why would anyone stay for more than one month?

Obviously, the best way to market these sites will be with your own bonuses included in the offer. Then, for the buyer to get the bonus they will have to opt in to your list.

j hogan · 07-19-2009, 12:38 AM

Is anyone else having trouble logging in? I have been unable to acess the site for a couple of days now which is concerning.

Michael Lee · 07-19-2009, 03:02 PM

By the way, Jeremy has posted the list of MME4 bonus offers in his blog, for those who want to know:

Make Money Online | Successful Business Thinking | SureFireWealth Blog

Cheers,
Michael

TheMole · 07-19-2009, 03:41 PM

Hi Realfaith7
Google MME4. Go to the sales page and get it. There are a number of affiliates that offer bonuses as well

TheMole · 07-21-2009, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j hogan

Is anyone else having trouble logging in? I have been unable to acess the site for a couple of days now which is concerning.

Hi J Hogan
Did you succeed in logging in yet? If not I might be able to help. I didn't have any problems in logging in

chathway · 07-29-2009, 05:33 PM

Still waiting on answer to Bakai question!

>I am also interested in knowing if additional content will be added.<

Will additional content be added each and every month for each site to keep the members interested and stay subscribed.

If the answer No I am outta there.

drnet · 07-29-2009, 05:48 PM

I ordered, but refunded after reading the content. It was very average content and it may be good for newbies, but overall the content was very marginal and I just didnt feel good about offering people the information.

The Concept was good, but the content was not. That's My opinion and others may think differently....

I wish those well with these sites, who knows...for some it may work well, but I am very skeptical about telling anyone anything unless I would enjoy getting it as well..

DR Net

07-14-2009, 08:06 AM	#1
Alminc Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stockholm , Sweden. Posts: 859 Thanks: 5 Thanked 58 Times in 26 Posts Contact Info	Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Hi Guys, In a nutshell: Jeremy and Simon have just launched MME4: Reseller licenses for 5 ready-made membership sites powered by Member Speed software. Price: $797 Income: For each site you can: offer free silver membership and hope that they will upgrade to gold membership for $37 (OTO) one time payment. Plus 50% on reseller licenses sold through your links ($148.5 monthly for each reseller). Since they know that the traffic is problem they offer some kind of traffic training. I looked at those 5 sites sales pages and I think that sales letters are very basic. I'd like to know what you guys think about this offer, would it be worth the investment? Almin
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drnet Expert Trainer War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Auburn, Me. Posts: 853 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Personally I am not a fan of the turn-key membership systems. I have purchased previous Marketing Main Events but they were software products and other excellent PLR material. I really enjoyed them and made decent money with some of the products. As far as the current MME4 ... I will not be buying this time around. Just not a fan of turn-key membership systems. Dr Net
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07-14-2009, 10:53 AM	#3
Paulo Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 551 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) On the surface it´s a good deal. However the reality is that not everything that sounds good is actually good. Not for you. I should say those guys are smart marketers who found a "need" and are delivering. I´m sure for the creators is good because you´ll be promoting their products/services... Now... How would you be able to compete and differentiate yourself with hundred others offering the same thing? This is paramount in marketing. It doens´t seem clear to me. Paulo
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07-14-2009, 10:59 AM	#4
kiosk2 Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: United Kingdom. Posts: 751 Thanks: 4 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) The concept looks reall good but I agree with Paulo in that the better marketers will make the money but that is true with any product. My one question, and I would love to hear from either Simon, Jeremy or someone who has purchased the sites, are they on separate domains or will it be a kind of site.com?owner1 - site.com?owner2 etc link that all buyers will get?
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07-14-2009, 12:13 PM	#5
Alminc Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stockholm , Sweden. Posts: 859 Thanks: 5 Thanked 58 Times in 26 Posts Contact Info	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) When I think about this I see that it can be good for someone who doesn't need to build a business, someone who already has established online business. In that case it can be quite easy to switch some existing traffic to those sites and make some extra income. But this is not good for building a business. I does not give you any control over members, it does not allow you to build a list. You are basically affiliate with 100% commission. Well, that's maybe why the price is only $797. I purchased MME3 and I expected this one to be something really big as they have announced, but I think I will pass this one.
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07-14-2009, 12:34 PM	#6
Paulo Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 551 Thanks: 2 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Don´t get me wrong... This can be quite profitable to established marketers with big lists to compliment their existing businesses - but not so sure for most people that need a reliable source of extra income. That is what I meant and what I think the site and offer is not demonstrating clearly. Paulo
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07-14-2009, 01:00 PM	#7
RankHigh Warrior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 11 Thanks: 2 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Quite a disappointment compared to MME3, this time it just looks like a affiliate system with 100% commission... then why we need to pay for the 700+??

07-14-2009, 03:35 PM	#8
AllanWM Go Gators! War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 106 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Looks similar to the Mega Red Packet offering a few months back.
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Azlan.MY Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 41 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) My inbox today is full with MME pitching. But sorry, too expensive. Won't buy.
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AllanWM Go Gators! War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 106 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) It is unclear from the salesletter, but is there any control over the membership site? Can the look be changed other than rotatng the ads? Can the owner add/modify content within the memberhip site? Also, can the owner interact with members via email or is this limited to the email scripts provided by the membership? Any info is greatly appreciated.
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07-15-2009, 03:55 AM	#14
gcintermed Active Warrior Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oakland, CA USA. Posts: 89 Thanks: 8 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) I also purchased MME3, and after all the hype around MME4, I have to admit I was underwhelmed. Or I could just be getting jaded... Concern #1: As I understand it, for your $797 you're essentially getting 5 PLR membership sites wrapped in the tools and training to monetize them. One of the criteria I use to evaluate these types of offers is would I buy the product I'm going to be selling. For most PLR products the answer is No. And as Alminc says, for this offer there is simply not enough information to evaluate the content of what you'll be selling. This is important because without confidence in the value of what you're offering, you're just participating in a multi-level "greater fool theory" business. As in, "I'd never pay $50 for this bottle of vitamins, but if it comes with the rights to sell it to someone else for $50, I can make money with it!" It doesn't matter how easy or automated the system is, if what you're selling isn't worth the price, you don't have a viable business, just a pyramid scheme. Which brings me to ... Concern #2: Whenever a salesletter promises that "everything is done for me", and I'll earn income "hands-free", a red flag goes up in my mind. If the system doesn't need me in any way to generate income then why don't they just run it without me? Someone has concluded that they will make more money selling 1000 copies of this for $797 than they would if they just ran all the sites themselves. Which means that at least some of the people will not make their $797 back. Clearly there must be SOME value that the user must add. Not surprisingly, the missing ingredient is usually traffic. At which point you have to ask yourself would you not be better off just spending the $797 to generate traffic to high converting affiliate offers? To summarize, if a ton of people are promoting the same membership sites, a) why would someone buy from you, and b) why would someone buy at all? Or to put it another way, if you had the traffic to make money from this, is this really where you'd want to send it? Sorry if this sounds harsh. Maybe I've read too many salesletters from mega-launches and have become cynical. I just think it is important to look beyond the sizzle and evaluate the business proposition.

07-15-2009, 05:37 AM	#15
Soren Jordansen Master of Muppets Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 40 Thanks: 5 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Ok first of all on the sales letters for the 5 sites - if you have followed the prelaunch and/or paid attention to what Simon and Jeremy are doing you'll know that the $27 sales pages is only there to justify giving away special free access passes - that's where the money is, in what they call the Freemium model. As for the content in the sites themselves... well if you have seen some of Simon and Jeremy's previous sites you know they always overdeliver - the content is awesome and something you can feel proud giving away (or even selling for the $27) As for the whole they could make more money using these themselves. Gimme a break - you are marketers right? Simon and Jeremy has hundreds of membership sites - yes they could make a lot with these 5 - but they could just build 5 more (Simon in a content creation fiend). Lets say they sell 1000 copies - that's a list of $797 buyers - and they will probably turn quite a few into raving fans, because they help them make their first money online. Don't think I have to tell you what that's worth.
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07-15-2009, 08:23 AM	#16
TheMole Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) I purchased MME4 and spent a few hours to check it out. At this point in time I am more than thrilled with the product. My name will be on a product that surpasses the quality of 99% of IM products out there. Credibility is important to me because I'm building what I hope to be a long term business in this industry. With MME4 I need not fear that I will stuff up because the product was created by specialists and carries the reputation of 2 highly regarded individuals who will NEVER risk damaging a 5 year + track record. If you are relatively new to online marketing and consider doing membership sites at some stage, I believe this is a great product to build your own list. Yes it is a reseller site and yes there will be many around selling it but you will be able to build your list using autoresponding e-mail letters, banner ads, bonus products, etc, written and created by people who have already made millions doing just that. The internet marketing industry is growing at lightning speed outside of America and less than 1% has ever heard of the warrior forum or the creators of this package, Hodgkinson and Gislason. I therefor have no problem selling a similar product to other marketers. This doesn't mean that the product is perfect. I personally would like to see that the paid subsription part of the membership sites are costantly injected with new material to try and keep members for as long as possible. I'm a little concerned that members will join for one month, download everything and unsubscribe if there isn't a compelling reason to stay for next month, but this issue will probably be addressed.

07-15-2009, 09:46 AM	#17
Alminc Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Stockholm , Sweden. Posts: 859 Thanks: 5 Thanked 58 Times in 26 Posts Contact Info	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) On building a list: You can build a list only by sending your traffic (if you have any) to squeeze pages. If you want to have them on your list, they all have to subscribe to your list before they get access to memberships. You cannot contact members through your reseller account, only membership site owners can do that through their admin account. Visitors must sign up twice: first once on your squeeze page, and when they have confirmed, you need to send them to membership site home page. Then they have to sign up for membership and confirm again. So they will be on one external list (yours) and one internal list (owner's). But okey, a free access to $27 membership can be a good bribe on your squeeze pages. Good luck to all who purchase. It may turn to be good investemt for buyers, but I'm not convinced in profitability. I'll pass this one.
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07-15-2009, 11:00 AM	#18
SimonHodgkinson Optimized Entrepreneur War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: , , United Kingdom. Posts: 404 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Hi Guys Thanks Soren for explaining a few things and thanks TheMole for your kind words If you are prepared to listen to my ramblings I'd like to tell you why we created MME4 and perhaps answer some of the other posters questions along the way... First some history - In 2005 we launched MME1. Inside we offered members a large collection of resell, master resell and PLR materials that they could download and resell themselves. This was mine and Jeremy's first real coalition site and it was (for the time) a hugely successful membership - Hundreds of members went away happy and made money because they were our members. Here's some testimonials from way back then: http://www.marketingmainevent.com/testimonial/ In 2006 we launched MME2... This time we expanded on what we had done in MME1 and brought even more products people could sell themselves. People loved that membership and many successful marketers around today built their business with some of those products. Our goal back then (as it is today) is to provide products that we ourselves would be happy to sell and to help other people become successful as we have. Here's some testimonials from MME2: http://www.marketingmainevent2.com/testimonial/ Now after MME2 many of our members asked us about the custom built system we were using to run our sites - We recognized there was a need in the marketplace for a comprehensive tool that people could use to build their businesses. So we set about turning our custom built system into something more accessible for mass use. The result was MME3 - It launched in June 2007 and sold $1.7M of places in just 7 days (proof I think that we brought out a solution that was needed in our marketplace) Along with our software (which has since become MemberSpeed) we added rights to more high quality products, tools, services and training and reseller membership systems. Here's what people said about this membership http://www.marketingmainevent3.com/testimonial/ We felt that the Marketing Main Events had run their distance... We'd provided quality products, we'd offered training and we'd put in place the tools to help people run their business. However some members failed in their attempts to put all these things together... The reality is when you are one person on your own learning, researching, planning, developing and building a business is HARD. Some people they lack time, some lack the technical skills and others just lack experience that can only be gained from actually building a business over a period of years. Now both Jeremy and I consider ourselves to be incredibly fortunate people. We work hard and we put in the effort and that (along with the 8 or 9 years we have been doing this for) has given us the experience to become very successful in what we do. So just to answer gcintermed's question here: "why don't they just run it without me?" We already do - We have over 40 active membership sites between us, we have a network of over 235,000 members and in the last 3 years we have generated $7.9 Million in membership sales. (This is in addition to our regular business interests which are varied and profitable) Now we're offering to run it with "you" because not everything is about how much money we can make - Maybe you think like that but we are NOT doing this just to 'make money' - I can assure you there are easier ways. Our biggest driving factor (and reason why MME4 came back) was because we want to help other people become successful too. (Some people don't understand that I'm sure, but while I enjoy the fruits of my labour and the trappings of wealth we still both believe that you can only become truly successful by bringing people along for the ride with you.) Simply put - At the end of the day you cannot take money with you, life has to be about something more... A year ago the option was - Do nothing - or create a HUGE training course that would teach people how we run our membership sites, how we drive people into our sales funnels and how we monetize those systems. It would have also included - How we create content, how we manage our business and a hell of a lot more... Demand is there and it would have been an easy seller. But instead we went for a third option - Help people more by removing a 5 year learning curve and some hefty costs - Just do it for them. The world and his dog might want to sell you a training course... and another and another ... we wanted to be a different and challenge ourselves by building you a business. Rather than continue to provide people products they might not know how to sell, rather than continue providing people with tools they would need to learn how to use and master, and rather than force people into intensive training and a VERY sharp learning curve where ultimately many would not go the distance we went with building the system for them In the process we eliminated all the labour and time intensive actions for people - Researching and creating very high quality content (including reports, audios, videos), designing the sites (saving them the trouble of hiring a designer... many of whom would charge more for 1 site design than we are offering 5 fully built membership systems for) We also wanted to save people the time it takes to learn how to write sales copy or the cost of hiring a copywriter to do it for them, we also wanted to remove the need for them to buy domain names, aquire hosting or employ / staff a customer support desk. And just to answer your comment Almin - what you can see (without looking further) is just one element (a small one) of the sales system - As Soren mentioned the page you have seen is effectively a long form squeeze page people can use to bring in FREE members into their sales funnel. And yes we also wanted to give people the opportunity to instantly own something and profit from it right away - Not 6, 12 or 18 months down the road. Are we stupid for wanting to do that? Should we have just stuck with a formula we know would have made us a lot of money in a very short space of time but that would probably still leave many in the same position they were when they started? Sure it would have been MUCH easier to package together a training system to teach people what we do. Heck we could have done that a year ago and been on to MME5 right now - BUT shock horror ... we actually care what happens to our members - Giving people 10 ring binders worth of content and 40 hours of video is no guarante they'll get through it let alone putting everything into action, test it, trial it and finally profit from it. So we spent a year of our time and built a system that in just a few hours MME4 members could be up and running just like us. Yes we hope they will learn from indirectly (there is a lot of great information here on traffic generation, email marketing, affiliate marketing, success mindset and general web marketing) - It's inside every membership site our members will own. We also hope that by making this instantly available our members will in turn teach thousands more all those basics of generating an income for themselves. Plus as our members become familiar with our systems and seeing for themselves how things work we believe many more will begin to run parallel sites of their own and earn more from them as a result. gcintermed also you mention "the missing ingredient is usually traffic. At which point you have to ask yourself would you not be better off just spending the $797 to generate traffic to high converting affiliate offers?" That's a very simplified point of view - I think for many people your suggest isn't the answer - If that works for you I'm pleased (REALLY) but think about this rather than spending $797 and generating some commissions wouldn't it be better to also drive that traffic into a site that is fully built and monetized, a site where you get 100% of the income? Wouldn't it be easier to drive traffic to any offer with the promise of a valuable incentive such as a free place in your membership site where later you could promote MULTIPLE affiliate programs rather than just one time one hit. It's a question of scale your solution isn't wide enough to be the ultimate answer - Think about it wouldn't it be better if that one site was linked to another 4 (or another 9 - yes MME4 members can have 10 sites if they wish) in your network with multiple opportunities to make affiliate commissions, subscription fees etc. Scale up your ambition and you will make a lot more money. Just one more thing - Yes we do think someone with an existing list, an existing membership site or existing traffic will make a lot of money from our system... But equally we believe someone just getting started will make much more with it too ... With everything done for you, you only need focus your attention on bringing in new members. (about 1/20th of what's involved in building a membership site from scratch) - And yes we are going to show people how to do that to. Okay rambled on enough here - Have a good day Simon

07-15-2009, 04:24 PM	#19
AllanWM Go Gators! War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 106 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Simon, Thank you for taking the time to post your comments, the information is truly appreciated. I sent you a PM with some follow-up. Thanks.
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07-17-2009, 12:54 AM	#20
Marty S Turtleknife on BlogTV War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 762 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 33 Thanked 98 Times in 65 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) I am still not clear on if the sellers will be planning to update the content in the membership sites so as to encourage long-term membership.
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07-17-2009, 08:44 AM	#21
impact-productions UK Based Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 193 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Likewise, it's not clear in the sales letter how many months of content are included with the memberships (or for how long they will be updated for without additional charges). Can anyone confirm? Some of the bonus offers do look very tempting.
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07-17-2009, 02:15 PM	#22
AllanWM Go Gators! War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 106 Thanks: 5 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Social Networking	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Simon, Does the reseller of the sites have the ability to view information of the members? Can the reseller view name, email, member status, etc.? Thanks. Take care, Allan
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07-17-2009, 03:11 PM	#23
brainworker HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: World Wide Web Posts: 312 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Social Networking	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) $797? Can't even justify paying $97 for this one!
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07-17-2009, 03:44 PM	#25
RoyChan HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: China Posts: 253 Thanks: 8 Thanked 22 Times in 9 Posts Social Networking	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) This one looks very similar to MegaRedPacket. What's the difference? What's the catch? What's the USP for affiliate/ reseller? It seems like folking out $797 to buy the ticket to generate the backend sales for the content provider, for the "opportunity" to have the front end sale/ opportunity to get people to upgrade to higher level. But where does the reseller add value? where can the affiliate/ reseller be known to the buyer? Is there an autoresponder capture by the reseller? I have been thinking of the above, since a reputable marketer has been jaming my inbox and shouting it's the nicest and best product in 2009. I searched high and low for this offer and surprised to see cash rebate up to $360 is available. It seems to me that buyers paying $797 to give away their leads for content provider's backend profits, in return for the potential front end $27 one off or higher $, if the referee like to do the same - to upgrade. Something seems lacking or perhaps it's just me?
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07-17-2009, 10:58 PM	#26
Bakai Groovy Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 428 Thanks: 23 Thanked 31 Times in 31 Posts Social Networking	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) I bought MME4 and I am also interested in knowing if additional content will be added. Otherwise why would anyone stay for more than one month? Obviously, the best way to market these sites will be with your own bonuses included in the offer. Then, for the buyer to get the bonus they will have to opt in to your list.
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07-19-2009, 12:38 AM	#28
j hogan Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 58 Thanks: 14 Thanked 12 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Is anyone else having trouble logging in? I have been unable to acess the site for a couple of days now which is concerning.

07-19-2009, 03:02 PM	#29
Michael Lee Expert Persuader War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: , , . Posts: 2,702 Thanks: 165 Thanked 61 Times in 42 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) By the way, Jeremy has posted the list of MME4 bonus offers in his blog, for those who want to know: Make Money Online \| Successful Business Thinking \| SureFireWealth Blog Cheers, Michael
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07-19-2009, 03:41 PM	#30
TheMole Warrior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Hi Realfaith7 Google MME4. Go to the sales page and get it. There are a number of affiliates that offer bonuses as well

07-29-2009, 05:33 PM	#32
chathway Warrior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: , , Australia. Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) Still waiting on answer to Bakai question! >I am also interested in knowing if additional content will be added.< Will additional content be added each and every month for each site to keep the members interested and stay subscribed. If the answer No I am outta there.

07-29-2009, 05:48 PM	#33
drnet Expert Trainer War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Auburn, Me. Posts: 853 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: Marketing Main Event 4 (MME4) I ordered, but refunded after reading the content. It was very average content and it may be good for newbies, but overall the content was very marginal and I just didnt feel good about offering people the information. The Concept was good, but the content was not. That's My opinion and others may think differently.... I wish those well with these sites, who knows...for some it may work well, but I am very skeptical about telling anyone anything unless I would enjoy getting it as well.. DR Net
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