mojuu

I bought Perry's "Make Money With Google" (or something like that). Even though the buying syphon left me feeling a little used and cheated, the product itself proved really valuable for me and was great for furthering my online marketing education at the time.

I wouldn't recommend this particular product to advanced/experienced internet marketers, but it's great for building your base knowledge, which seems to be the case for most products that he's producing.

I find his marketing methods are pretty normal (as opposed to being spammy, pushy or downright offensive) for the internet marketing niche and I've only experienced his content (free and not) to be above average.

Lothar Evers

As mentioned I commented on Perrys block.
I had a look at it today.
There are no new comments after the 20th of June and mine still awaiting moderation.
Just out of curiosity:
could someone please check at Perry Belchers Original Post whether that is a general policy or just shown to me.
If it is, and if it is not, it tells a lot about dialog in social media.

trishworks4u

You know what - I'm going to be the brave one here and admit that I have purchased this product. I actually jumped in after the webinar the other night and grabbed just the multi-media option. I'm not regretting this move in the least (yet) and here's why:

I've launched and offline IM/SEO/SEM consulting business in which I proclaim to know a lot about social media when I know for a fact that I have only scratched the surface. I don't understand Facebook at all. It baffles me. I know that 99% of the people that are marketing on Twitter are doing it wrong because I watch the tweets on my tweetdeck roll by and they're all obnoxious sales pitches. I blog and dabble with YouTube but there are ways to leverage all of these and, frankly, I'd rather have someone hand me the keys to the kingdom over 6 weeks for $1k than do it trial and error for the next year when I could have been earning money.

Do I think the price tag was too high? You bet. I'd be much more comfortable at about 1/2 that price but, at the same time, I have a comfort level that this is giong to pay off for me in the form of the results I can offer clients that others can't. I haven't seen this sort of in-depth social media training available for free or otherwise anywhere else. I know everyone says that you can get any info. on IM you want for free and that may be true, if you have unlimited time and resources to search and scrounge. I don't.

And if this is crap (don't think it will be), I'm not a doormat and will have no qualms about letting Perry & Co. know what I think.

Marian Berghes

Exactly...

malcasid

Agree completely!

Christian Moore

The sooner people come to terms with this and understand the irrational human nature behind it - the more they will understand why and how guys like Perry are so successful.

Marian Berghes

and the world will change and we will all be living in peace and everybody will be equal...

Ryce

Selmedica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Belcher's Co. that got shut down

Marty S

Save yourself $965 -

Amazon.com: Social Media Marketing: An Hour a Day...

dhubbard

Has anyone here actually seen this course yet? Is it any good?

I 'passed' on the $1k one that went to 500 people. If it is operated like others, there will soon be a 'lite' version offered at $400 to 2,000 people. I might be interested in that one.

I would love to hear what you get, when you get it and how you like it.

Ryce

For Those Who Like GREAT and FREE Stuff

Ryce

Dont Forget to Pre Order the Book

Amazon.com: Crush It!: Why NOW Is the Time to...

Lothar Evers

In any case the Webinar Perry Belcher presented the night before his launch was one of the best overviews I got about socialmedia. Now that the launch is almost over it can be seen in a replay:
Perry Belcher PreLaunch Webinar.
It lasts more than one hour but it is absolutely worth it.
We all agree that Perry Belcher is one of the leading experts when it comes to social media. So to watch this webinar is absolutely worth it.
He claims it will be up for 48 hours only. Copuld be a marketing trick again.
But this time it might be true...

Ryce

Best Social Media Overviews?

Plagiarism at its best
watch Perry's video @ 10:43

The Guy Repeats exactly what Gary Vaynerchuk said at the WEB 2.0 COnference in NY
Just fast forward the video I posted in a post above to 04:40 and you will see.

Or go to this very specific video on his blog where he lays down the concept of Legacy on Web 2.0

http://garyvaynerchuk.com/post/78887...-than-currency


So my point is that there are o lot of better places to learn about WEB 2.0 and Social Media for waaaaaaaaaaaaaay less and also get a better understanding of the new tools.

just my 2 cents

youallnome

When I started this thread a few weeks ago I knew it would bring a big response. I also knew we would see a whole load of mixed comments, some of which are on target, some of which almost seem like a witch hunt.

I'd never heard of Perry Belcher before I got the email promoting his Twitter course. The reason I mentioned him was because of a link he was giving reference to in his pdf.

I was much more interested in the information that came from the link! In fact, it led to a product I've been looking to buy.

Belcher is without a doubt a good marketer. He follows the basic rules to the letter. His pre promotion, videos, emails, webanars and partners are all good quality.

And what he said about twitter was bang on, no doubts. Whether he learnt the twitter stuff himself, or replicated it from someone else really makes little difference. He knows how to market, and that is something most people get wrong.

As for his past and the methods he used to get sales: I think it is inexcusable. I think he did wrong and he should have been punished, and I'm glad he did get punished.

If he was selling ebooks on how to catch more fish, and it turned out to be bollocks, then I'd hate what he did a lot less. But to get involved with products that humans have to digest, ingest, apply to body, then he was a stupid person. That to me is selling your soul to the devil - - for cheap.

But he has been punished. The law, his community, fellow business people, warriors, his wallet, and uncle Tomm Cobley and all have had their 2 cents worth of flesh from Belcher, so I think we should leave that alone and judge him for now.

We should focus more on what he does now and always keep it in the back of our mind that he's good, but maybe too good. That way you can make a better decision on whether he's offering you value with his products. And the only warriors who can help us there with the truth are the people that took the risk and bought the course.

Personally I thing the course will do exactly what he says it can do.

And in the right hands I'm sure it’ll prove super successful. Do I think it’s expensive? I do in deed, and I would agree that you can get the same stuff for a lot less if you hunt around and purchase different information from different people.

Some people want it all NOW, and they want it made easy. The videos are a plus. That's probably the real reason it is the best of what is about at the moment.

I would advise all beginners to follow the free videos, ebook and sales copy. He's a great test to watch for a business model, and it might be worth joining his mailing lists. I think a lot of people looking for success could learn some basic marketeering ideas from him.

But don’t spend money, and don’t take a foolish step without checking him out (as you should with every product/person). The warrior forum is the gold mine of providing the whole truth, and that is what you should do first.

I'm glad I've heard about him and I will be following him for sure.

I do think he's worth watching. A lot of top dogs are helping him with this, and not every super affiliate and professional marketers has done a pact with the devil. And loads of the big boys have been plugging and recommending and promoting him.

I did not buy the course (and did not intend to) and I think he could have sold it at a more realistic price. But I wish him well as I do with every honest IM-er

I hope some of the people who bought his course are willing to share their recommendations and successes. That’ll answer us all.

Great thread! Thank you all for your input. I appreciate the time taken.

Sincerely,
John

Lothar Evers

I completely agree and thanks again for starting this thread.
While Perry Belchers Money System is sold out.His free stuff is still available:
Social Media Matrix Cheat Sheet
Webinar

The best advise however is to join his affiliate programm. He will relaunch and certainly be big. Build a daisychain or circle with cowarriors instead transferring your hard earned cash to the happy few.
Social Media Affiliate Programm

thezone

Sure it makes a difference. If he "replicated" it, then he must know it doesn't work, he basically admits this himself right in his title (note the qualifier "finally"). This is further verified by the fact that there is no "new" content in what he stated (at least not in the 1 hour I listened to, on strategies he presented for free..), it's the same old stuff (anyone who thinks this stuff is new, is new..EOS), but when you look at the metrics (and the beautiful part is now youtube, displays the top 10 sources for video views), the reality changes, and the "truth" changes "reality"...weird

He appears no better at the twitter angle. What I pasted below are the metrics from a picture view from a yfrog link to a photo (as of todays date) that he tweeted on June 28, 2009, the amount of people that viewed that photo is well below the 100K plus followers he has (don't think there is going to be an "upsurge", and only the future pic links may have raised that to an artificial 329 views). That includes the 10 views I put in just to see if the same IP limited the counter to just one view (it did NOT).

perrybelcher uploaded at 2009-06-27
0 rating View: 329

How is it, that the only "verifiable" metrics don't show an astounding twitter popularity? Think about that.

Maybe he is a master of facebook....according to his video, maybe not

H Dec 22, 2008 First referral from Facebook - 195

195 views in 7 months 4 days... not very stellar...he has about 4K "friends"...and a ****load of accounts with 10's of followers (not even hundreds...his ????students????).

As to his analogy about people being his twitter friend (because of personality) is bang off. Twitter is a numbers game, everyone is trying to get to the top, they will follow (simply to keep you as a follower....the first rule of twitter marketing, don't tell anyone that the numbers don't mean a damn thing...bang on!), and that's the bottom line (proven so by the amount of people who even cares about what he tweets...guess his popularity isn't what he claims...big surprise there). It's all a numbers game, and the bigger the look, the better the guruosity. Now what is he selling.....oh yeah, his "expertease".

As to "selmedica" that was a nothing company that he himself grew into a huge conglomerate after the fact. Why? Quite simply, have 100 complaints of 1000 or so supposed customers, well that's bad. Have 100 complaints of 900,000 customers (or whatever that number is this week...funny thing is the alexa metrics for selmedica.com were never stellar...weird), it's good. The numbers were only used to prove his guruosity. People are going to like him or hate him regardless, so skew the numbers for better odds and the people that like you think you're brilliant and the ones that don't, at least don't think you are as bad....hmmm.... he claims $50 (or $100) odd million in sales for his "placebos"

"The Sheriff's Department said the $1.2 million Belcher made through his multiple online businesses is through illegal deceptive means."

New math question...how many times does $1.2 have to be exaggerated to become $50-100 million? Cops that understate crime? What reality have I entered into here? I feel like I am that guy from "who's eating gilberts grapes" (you know the retarded leonardo decrapio character). Mama....mama.....wake up!!!!

4runner

After reading through WF on this, I did a little bit of footwork and came across this program on Twitter and Social Media by Darren Monroe. He's been really helpful and he has zero hype and a decent resume.

In the end, look at all this stuff objectively and do your research before whipping out that credit card after watching the fancy videos and pre-launch voodoo.

TelegramSam

Update:

The book is now just $19.79

Save yourself $977.21 :-)

Ryce

Seth's Blog: Four videos about noise, social and decency

Jon Steel

Wicked post everyone ... a fantastic read -

js

Ryce

Its called Collective Intelligence or "We are Smarter than Me"

To stay on topic here, I really do think that Perry's material is not worth the price tag unless you have lots of money and zero time. His stuff (from the webcast I watched ) is far from unique.

I do a read a lot on Social Media and never heard about Belcher's contributions to the field..

But you dont have to take my word on it.

Read from INVESP a top consulting group on e-commerce their take on top IM people in 2008

The INVESP 100

Most Influential Online Marketers of 2008

This is our first annual list of the world's most influential online marketers: leaders, thinkers:

• 100 to 51 Most Influential Online Marketers of the Year
• 50 to 11 Most Influential Online Marketers of the Year
• The top 10 Most Influential Online Marketers of the Year

Take your time and work the list one person at the time and you'll become a much better "Social Media" expert than getting some get rich/popular/followers quick shortcut scheme.

All the Best

jpmt

I have to ask how it would be possible for him to hide if it it made front page news in several online news sources? There could be nothing to hide and nothing to do but admit it and ask forgiveness, right?

BTW, were they really sugar pills?

Universal_Soul

Hi,

Thanks for interesting post.

But I have some doubts about this "top marketers list" and Conversion Rate Optimization | Invesp Consulting itself.
Question no1: what is their definition of "influential marketer"?
Quiestion no2: What sort of individual thought patterns led them to place someone like F. Kern on position 45 and ie. Aaron Wall (no disrespect to Aaron - he's cool and surely infuential) on position no 7? It is beyond me.

Please don't feel offended but this list and whole investp, or whatever (with their alexa circa 50 000 rank) don't mean much to me.

Best

JJ

PS. I don't thing Belcher is anywhere near the top though - far from that. But it doesn't mean this whole list makes any sense

Universal_Soul

I listened to S. Godin's videos and I couln't agree more. I felt somehow guilty about the facebook - that I'm not "using it to my advantage", but for some reason all this software for harvesting "friends" didn't sit well with me at all. I personally do't like twitter at all - as it reminds me of a huge trashbin, where everyone talks about nothing (or nearly everyone). It's the same thing with IM - I never god sold on the idea of selling just anything, making these direct linking campaigns using only an indicator of how much money I'll do, and what gravity it is, what comission etc. Because - and it applies to everything - if you'll become very effective in selling a lot of stuff, then what if what you're selling is not doing any good? Or maybe even doing some harm to people? Tricking them to waste their money for something completely useless only because you're very good at writing copy, or good at sucking them in through social media? You do a campaign because it's "profitable" in the clickbank stats, and GCD or whatever says they sell a lot of it. And you got all this thousands of people on your list on twitter, facebook, mailing lists etc etc - and you sell crap to them all. Not for me

I know I probably went to far - it's because the word "decency". I don't like the way Belcher is using social media. The only indicator how effective it is is how many dollars you do per user per month.