youallnome

Hey guys!
Hope you are good.

Has anyone come across Perry Belcher?
He's promoting his twitter course at the moment (I got a link from someone in an email yesterday 16.July 2009).

He's good at self promotion, that's for sure. Although I have to say his video and pdf does have some good stuff in it.

As a clever IM-er, I did of course do a search for him to see how he stands in the eyes of others. It would be fair to say he's self promoting quite well!

And he has been a naughty boy in the past according to his local sheriff's department. I won’t bore you with the link here. Just do a search for Perry Belcher (I used Google).

I'm not pre judging him. I never think that is fair, even with his past track record. But it should give cause to check him out. So what do you think?

Anyone have any constructive feedback?
Thanks in advance.

Sincerely,
John Adams

jeffreys

Hi youallnome,

Yeah,he is promoting himself hard. His e-book getmoneyfromgoogle was bits and tips. I hope you check out reviews by other marketers.

Thanks.

Jeffrey

Daniel Deegan

Honestly, Perry is one of the sharpest and smartest marketers I have ever seen. Hes very cutting edge and everything I have seen him put out has been better then %99 of the stuff other people teach. Him and Ryan D are top shelf in this industry when it comes to quality.

jukeboxhero

I think I've got what he's promoting...

His twitter info is better than anyone elses that i've got, he's a pretty entertaining dude..I'll say that for him...

JNFerree

Interesting blog post ind you got here! Sounds like Perry pissed off the wrong people and paid a pretty stiff fine (a cool $1M) for doing. Still, from the guys I've talked to about what he and Deiss are doing, this program is on the up & up.

I got a 6 x 11 post card usps from them yesterday on their new social media money system. their vids are only so/so - but i've gotten a few neat tips from viewing the prelim stuff and the guarantee makes the down side manageable, although thinking about 8 weeks of watching online videos seems a bit much.

youallnome

nice one guys!
I knew this one would draw some people in. I don’t usually take much time to chase too many links in every post I read, but I have to say I have checked out the links posted here, so thank you all warriors for that.

Truth is I only mentioned him because I wanted to check out a link he promoted in the pdf: Affiliate Review Site Monopoly! Anyone Have Any Juicy Bits On This One? Affiliate Review Site Monopoly by Stephen Carr
I agree with the quality of his 3 twitter videos and pdf on beating twitter. They are good, and very doable. A lot of what he said makes perfect sense. It's obvious to see that he has done his home work.

As it is obvious he's spent a lot of time mastering twitter. His videos are entertaining (which makes a change from most that are flying around). He's a good marketer, there's no doubt about that, and hats off to him for that: He's actually taking action on getting on with it.

It's a shame (for everyone involved) that he got caught up in black hat stuff. He definitely paid a good price for it in the end (check out the content and video posted by JNFerree: Perry Belcher: Internet Marketer Pleads Guilty and Forfeits Assets : Internet Law and Business Blog).

It is a great lesson for every warrior to take a look at. Stay white hat and keep the sheriff off your back!

Nevertheless, I like what he says so far. I like the way he presents his videos and I'll be following what he does until I see cause not to. I suspect he'll do well. And based on what I've seen so far, he'll deserve to.

I definitely recommend you take a look at the videos and grab the pdf (no, I'm not promoting. Not an affiliate or anything). The mindset he has on twitter is different to everything else I've seen, and it does make perfect sense.
John Adams

Amanda_Davis

Perry is open about his past - it's no secret:

Chris Faraday

Video tells 1,000 stories... They connect deeply... That's why we love them!!! As people - and marketers. Powerful and thanks for posting.

Lesson learned: USE MORE VIDEO!!! ;0)

I believe many of us are awaiting in eager anticipation.

I would assume he has a team of pro's behind him - hence the budget.

Soooo don't expect miracle results... Do expect fun, genuinely powerful systems & strategies for getting serious leverage fast with social media.

It's crucial for long term success fro those of us who discount it

Can always return it if you don't enjoy or value it. =)

AmericanWoman888

I have received numerous emails from him as of late. I am not sure how I got on his list really. His information looks quality.

Well, everyone makes mistakes....it's the ones that won't own up to it that you really have to worry about.

It won't keep me from being a customer.

AW888

maab

I get a few emails from him also,
was doing a search and found this
post.

Everybody makes mistakes, not every1
admits it let alone do a video, he seems
pretty genuine so good on him.

Michele

Andy Hart

Perry knows his stuff and the "naughty stuff" is very much OLD NEWS now.

He makes a lot of money and stays on the right side of the law these days, you should pay attention to him.

thanks
Andy

trader197

Yes, this is old news and Perry has a lot of great things to offer.

BrandonLee

I got started on a very bad footing with Perry, but since then I've talked to him several times and I'd say he's one of the best guys in this industry.

Mitch Miller

It's rather amusing how some people refer to what he did as a mistake. You even have one guy in the thread calling it blkht. WTF? The dude broke the law in a big way. He laughed his ass all the way to the bank. He gets caught and then is sorry about it all? Come on people. Do you think he would still be peddling his sugar pills if he hadn't gotten busted?

Ah what the hell... he seems like a nice enough guy. Send him some more money then I guess.

You wonder why the big names are all promoting his stuff? It's because they all know that they are a heartbeat away from going through the same thing. They only hope that people will be around to pick them up and help them start over. It's the good ole boys network alive and well.

All you have to do is think about this stuff just a little bit. It's not to hard to figure out.

whoismarktaylor

Hey we are all entiltled to make a mistake. And yes Perry could possibly still be selling his pills if he hadnt been caught. However he was and has paid the price.

Great that he hasn't attempted to hide it, i wonder how many other business's have horror storied they have covered up. (just about every big corporate business then!)

The difference here in the IM world is it's oh so easy to dig a little and find out the info both good and bad.

Kudos to Perry for realising his mistake and having the sense to come out and be honest up front about it.

Mark

onlinemoney00

I have come across Perry but didn't really know anything about him, the information he has given so far has been solid. He's also partnering with Ryan Deiss, So as long as Ryan Deiss is involved you can give them your money & have peace of mind. If you are not satisfied with what you get, you will always get a refund.

VegasVince

Perry is one of the most brilliant marketers on the planet...and a genuinely good man.

As for the legal issues....I studied that case inside and out....and a lot of us have come to the same conclusion: it was nothing more then a glorified "shake down."

Southern Justice..they call it.




xxx Vegas Vince
Legend.

Mitch Miller

He didn't realize anything. He was arrested and convicted.

For you folks talking about how he is not trying to hide it and is being up front about it. How is he going to hide it? What other choice does he have if he wants to sell you ****? He knows it is going to come up. So you make a video partially apologizing for your "mistake", and you paint yourself as somewhat of the victim.

Shake down my ass... you better research some more.

BrandonLee

And what's wrong with having friends who stand beside you? Who among us doesn't hope we have that good of friends?

Tyrus Antas

I find it hilarious that Mike Filsaime is promoting Belcher's bait and switch twitter tactics, just a week after he claimed to have "seen the light" in regards to social media marketing and stopped following nearly everyone...

Do these people think we are all morons?

Tyrus

Fernando Veloso

As long as we keep buying their stuff, YES.

And remember, not every buyer reads/thinks/understands his messages...

Mitch Miller

Yes, as a matter of fact they do.

Zach Booker

It's true that some of the more well known (Not the highest earning) IM'ers are friends. And they do help each other with promotion of their products, just like any good friend would do.

But what I don't get is why everyone has to keep on bitchin' and moanin' about these people.

Don't like the e-mails Filsaime sends you than unsubscribe and you never have to hear from him again.

Don't like the product Perry is putting out than don't buy it!

Here's the thing these guys know what they're doing, and they're very good at it.

Filsaime's, Kern's, Belcher's, Moffatt's, Walkers's products all deliver value. Massive value, value that in the right hands will sky rocket your business to the same height as theres.

It's becoming cool to hate these people because it's easy to do, but where is that getting you?

How much money is that making you?

Maybe it's time to start thinking about what's going to get you ahead.

Zach

Mitch Miller

It has nothing to do with hating anybody. It is more a matter of putting the word out to keep others from getting snake bit.

this_guy

Haven't heard of him

LB

This forum is for reviewing PRODUCTS not people. This thread started out with good intentions but has derailed.

I suggest people read the sticky:

dontono7

Thanks for the vid! He definitely cleared things up for me, hopefully others as well. I have been following Perry on twitter for months, and just heard about his troubles. Very moving - good stuff.

Reader

I saw Perry Belcher at Yanik Silver's Underground Seminar in DC in 2007. Remember him well.... He was one of the speakers there and I must say I was impressed at the time--he got a lot of cheers from the audeince.

Perry (supposedly) comes from a very humble background and is a very 'motivated' individual who claimed to make millions monthly. (I was not exactly sure if Perry's statements were true or not but he was and probably still is very entertaining, that's for sure)...Knows a lot about making money with outsourcing.... Incidentally, the audience just loved it as he tossed gourmet chocolates, Victoria Secret gifts to them.

Tyrus Antas

The product teaches you tactics that can get you banned from social networks. It is also being promoted by people who supposedly had an "epiphany" on social media and decided they would no longer do bait and switch tactics. Obviously the "epiphany" originated from the fact that their tactics no longer work.

My take? Proceed with care.

Tyrus

darrin_cooper

BERNIE MADOFF made mistakes too. I'm very confident he "Knew what he was doing too". I guess we can shrug that off as well eh?
Let's face it people, it wasn't "MISTAKES" that were made. It was GREED that was performed & it was the fact that he was CAUGHT.

I love how people just randomly name of names, "X, Y, Z" Yep, they do good stuff, they know what they are doing. "Knowing What You Are Doing" is an assumption. You don't know for a fact what is SPENT, and what is actual revenue is really generated.

Until marketers can actually specifically speak to the costs of what their programs are
in a clear & concise way, absolutely "NO ONE" "KNOWS" what they are doing.

firefly11

OK, so here's the deal:
there are 3 levels of the program, at $1K for the videos, $2K for the coaching, and $3K for the mastermind. I actually like Perry a lot, and think his content and strategies are great, but not wanting to spend 1K now, are there other products or WSOs out there that are teaching the same concepts for less?

jon poland

I received an email a couple days ago from an "Expert" Internet Marketer who is promoting Perry's Social Media program. In this email the marketer was praising Perry's knowledge of Social Media and how he has over 100,000 people following him on Twitter. Well, he is also following 100,000 people on Twitter. Tell me, now do you follow 100,000 people on Twitter?

Before you spend a dime on a product that promises you Social Media riches, I recommend that you watch the two minute youtube video linked below where Seth Godin makes this excellent point about Social Networking (please note, I am paraphrasing). . . .

"The internet has allowed an enormous amount of fake networking to take place and it is easy to be seduced by it. It's not about how many people are following you on Twitter or what that little scoreboard at the top of the page says. It's about connecting with people and having 'Real Relationships' with people and prospects. And you get this by going out of your way for them. It's about earning that priveledge of one day having that connection with them."

Here is the link to "Seth Godin on Social Networking."

Everyone is looking for a short-cut. Everyone is looking for instant profits and instant traffic. Folks, it's about serving and it's about adding value to the market.

My question is this: Does Perry's product help in this regard?

Lothar Evers

Exactly!
who will earn $500 to 4 1500 from every single buyer out there. Of course he is clever and witty. But is tis worth $ 1000 for a six week video program. You pay upfront and get the course drip feeded, like a few weeks ago with Cris Carpenters (Re)launch of the google cash detective. So your moneyback guarantee becomes a joke because before it ends you have only seena percentage of the content.
So: if you want to check it out, build a coop with fellow Warriors / marketers and save the first 50% that otherwise will be payed to the guy on whose list you were.

Plus Attorney Mike Young makes a fair point in his blog:
How long do we want to accept fellows with bragging to get "$25,000 for 70 Minutes". I am to close to people struggling, to be fascinated by that. I watched Belchers seminar last night. First I thought: how honest this guy deals with his past, but at the end I was not sold but unsold.
Immediately send him two tweets. Will be interesting to see whether I will ever get an answer.

Lothar Evers

Liked the stuff he talked about too. But not a price tag for me either, especially if i pay upfront and get the content monthly.
So very interested in "the same concepts for less" too.
Plus: like (e)books still do not necessary need everything on video. It is so much easier to recheck a well marked book when beeing unsure some month after the original reading.

Lothar Evers

To the point!
Thanks for sharing!
And:
"going out of the way for someone"
and
"selling something to someone"
are two completely different cups of tea.

BrandonLee

That's kind of interesting..what did he say or do that unsold you?

Marian Berghes

Can't believe what this forum is turning into...most of you posters here need to go make some money instead of playing detectives and trying to bring people down.

TravisOfferatti

Perry Belcher had around 10k people listening to his advice last night on a webinar...must say some seriously good things if he's got 10k people taking his advice.

We work with Perry, I've never met him...but he seems to be trusted by a lot of people at this point...maybe because he's so open about his past and ready to move forward.

BrandonLee

Only a complete idiot would not understand that it's not the number of followers you have, but the connection you have with them, and the esteem they hold you in. I've had lists of 25,000 people that are totally worthless, and had lists of under 1000 people make more money. However, what Perry is teaching with Social Media is excellent stuff, I've been using his stuff from his last Social Media course on my clients, and several of them are making hundreds of thousands because of what I learned from Perry about Twitter, FB, Social Bookmarking, and Youtube, that I then passed on to my clients.
If you've got a business, and you want to have an audience, your an idiot if you don't listen to what Perry B has to say, period.
Brandon

Lothar Evers

Perry has 105.000 followers and pretends to follow 113.000 himself. And pretended that some 10.000to 20.000 where on the call.
Perry Belcher really knows what he does, and the presentation was excellent, but at the end it comes to selling. So the question is what? We heard a lot of giving away for free and then up selling recently and most of the guru follow this path. And here is MR Belcher with almost $1000 for six weeks of videos. And seconds later he tells you that this the "cheap" entry. The real deal is in the coaching and in the mastermind group. This simply means he has no product to offer for his average follower. That is bad news. And: Look at the video on the affiliate site: maybe I am to conservative (already) or to left wing (still) to join forces...
He makes a big issue on his blog about his shocking confessions.
I posted the following comment there:
No, you can not see it there.
Posted at 7:33 am. If that is what social media is all about...

jcaviani

Marian,

Although I do agree that most people would be better served working on their business, I also understand how people can have a healthy amount of skepticism toward Perry's seeming transformation.

Business is about trust and value and if you plan to serve your customers for any length of time beyond one sale (which many of the churn and burn crowd can't muster because they peddle an endless supply of tactics with no strategy), you had better have a good supply of both.

Many on this forum are looking for guidance. Who would you seek for that guidance? Someone with a solid track record of value and trustworthiness or someone who was caught brazenly fleecing people who now professes to have seen the errors of his ways (only after he was caught, I might add) and is now back at it with the usual IM nonsense?

I believe people who pay for their mistakes deserve a second chance, but for me, the jury is still out on Mr. Belcher. I truly hope he is the guy he now professes to be.

BrandonLee

I don't know what's in this program, and won't be buying it myself. I do pay attention to everything Perry and Ryan do though because they are two of the smartest dudes out there, period.
I did buy Winning With Social Media, which was the first social media program Perry had, and it looks like this new one has a ton more info in it. I've made hundreds of thousands for my clients, which translates into tens of thousands for myself, with the info I got in Winning with Social Media. So, I think if IM is your thang, what Perry is teaching you really is the cheapest and easiest way to get yourself in front of an audience.

Brandon

Lothar Evers

Must be difficult to accept less than 20 dissenting voices when the following reaches the 100.000 limit.
Been there, had that.
Did you buy Marian?

Lothar Evers

I completely agree this potential was vivid last night.
So could please some one teach it for an affordable price?

Marian Berghes

I am not saying that I would BUY his products or that I totally trust perry.

EDIT: And no I didn't buy the product, and I DON"T wanna buy it simply because I don't want to use social media as one of the top ways to bring income.

I only trust a handfull of these big names, because they proved to me that besides wanting my money (witch I have nothing against, nothing is free in life so get over it) they actually want to help people.

And another thing, its all about who your target is...I see alot of people complaining "but what for the average guy?" or stuff like that...did you think for a second that maybe you were not his targeted customer?

If you do research on all the products that the big names have sold, you will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS see that the ones that complain to be a scam or stuff are the ones that spend their food money or some sht on the product, the ones that tested it for a whole 2-3 days and all that crap...

While in the background, the other people are already making money.

People have to start thinking for themselves..."if this product is $2000 will I HAVE THE RESOURCES to use it?, do I have the AMBITION to use it for more then 2-3 weeks?"

If people were to start asking those questions first before they spend their food money on those courses, then I can GUARANTEE that 80% of the blogs out there that claim x product is garbage would never have existed.

And with perry...I just got a simple question: do YOU trust Deiss? Did he prove himself to actually wanna help people?

If your answer is yes, then by all means...go buy perry's product, because I personally don't think that Deiss would associate himself with Perry if he didn't think that he is trustworthy.

And for god sakes people, stop it with "the gu.ru's only want my money, they don't care about us...they just want money"...you don't like somebody, unsubscribe.

And maybe he DOESN'T want to help you, maybe he wants to help people that are making $10.000 a month or more...did you ever consider that?

Nobody is making you pay $2000 on a product, you decided that...but like I said, if you spend that money out of your rent money or some sht, then don't expect it to make you rich.

I have ALWAYS considered that if your just starting out, buying $2000 courses is a very bad idea UNLESS you can HONESTLY afford it.

jcaviani

Frankly, I have said before that people's best and most cost effective resources can be the bookstore and the library. There is already enough great information written about business by people who have led fortune 500 companies. Why would I need to learn a few useless tactics from a self annointed internet Goober when I can get the whole enchilada for a fraction of the price from a marketplace annointed counterpart? Why do people think they need to learn business on the internet from internet Goobers - hilarious. Release your minds from the box.

As for unsubscribing, sure, go ahead. However, this IM world is a marketplace like any other and word gets around. That's the way it's supposed to work. Word of mouth can be good and it can be bad and you control your own destiny. All you really have online is your good name. Tarnish it and you'll be clawing your way back to respectability for quite some time (unless you come out with another one of those make 25k in one hour while in your skivies headlines I see so often - pure bull****). NEWSFLASH - NO ONE in the real business world sells this way - they'd be laughed out of the office.

Everything else being equal, I would go for the guy who didn't dirty himself in the first place.

Nomad Warrior

wow! this thread is on the emotional twittering point ;-)
yes... I meant teetering point and tweetering point all the same.

Here's the thing.
1) if there is something of value in course to you... buy it
2) if you get a few good ideas that help you earn more money and actually deliver a return on your investment... buy it
3) this thread was titled "anyone know Perry Belcher"
my answer is 'not really' but lots of people think they know him by following him or watching is videos.
As anyone in hollywood can attest, what you see is not often what you get "let the buyer beware" as always...

Perry appears to be (APPEARS TO BE) a fast talking salesman / preacher type with something to sell to a given audience.

But... here we sit several hours after his masterful PLF launch and he has still not sold out!
I can still buy each one of the 3 product levels...

what does that tell you about the power of a 130,000 strong list of people that follow you via SM? When it comes down to the wire... 250 Customers is less than .2%
and Perry has not been able to close 250 sales for either his mastermind or his coaching club...

that should tell you something compared with unreal online conversion successes by Frank Kern, John Reese and co recently in a 24hr period

heck, if Perry's coaching did not yet sell out completely already... something was either wrong with the pitch or the 10,000 people on the webinar were leaches

I did mention earlier the word 'preacher' and in many ways, especially linguistically, Perry comes across as a man with a mission and that mission is to spread the word and the word is buy stuff from me and I mean like today, not tomorrow because there is scarcity and seriously limited resources and no one wants to work hard for their money anymore so WE DO IT ALL FOR YOU.... hmmm ... for a moment, that sounded a lot like Jeff Johnson!

Anyhow, enjoy the free videos folks... they are a hoot.
Use the info and TEST TEST TEST... then I'll see ya'll back at the stompernet water cooler for some more of the same

Good luck to those that are brave or wealthy enough to step into Perry's pool - I'd love to hear about the experience and hope it helps you to achieve one of your goals this month... or next... cause there is a 60 day money back guarantee and... just a sec...

with a 60 day guarantee, this should be a no brainer folks... why haven't you bought Perry's course yet? heck there are only 250 seats and most are probably already gone by now


ok... here is an update on the 24th July at 4am EDT and the numbers are the same as they were at 6pm!

and the scarcity tactic rears its head again but WITH THE SAME NUMBERS AS 8hrs ago!
"I'm only allowing 1000 people to have access to this
training:

250 at the MASTERMIND level -----------> around 14 spots open
250 at the SUCCESS COACHING level ----> around 29 spots open

500 at the MULTIMEDIA TRAINING level ----> 72 spots available

If you want to be 1 of the 14 people left who get it DONE for THEM
you better cross your fingers and act now:"

kindsvater

If there were a lot of people on the webinar is was probably because, as John Reese once said, if you offer a big enough commission anyone will pimp it.

I'll tell you this, and my office has previously corresponded with the authorities who prosecuted Belcher, there is no way I'd pay a dime for this thing. Just my personal opinion. It's your money.

But, maybe that criminal angle has an appeal for getting 'followers.' Someone was just telling me that convicted murderer Scott Peterson gets more fan mail than most Hollywood celebrities.

Mitch Miller

Here is the way he broke it down in an email....

I am only allowing 1000 people to have access to this training:

250 at the MASTERMIND level...
250 at the SUCCESS COACHING level, and...
500 at the MULTIMEDIA TRAINING level

Amanda_Davis

Are you serious? You expect him to sell $1.75 million in under 10 hours?

Kern's MC2.0 launch was open for a few days and Reese's "Reese Report" launch never sold out at all.