What Is The Best Recurring Payment Gradual Content Delivery System?

TE2 · 07-27-2009, 03:58 PM

What is the best system (price, features, ease of admin) for gradually delivering content that is tied to a continuity/subscription payment?

Scenario:

I want to charge a monthly fee and deliver the product (a physical product and/or digital content) in a graduated manner.

ie. Month 1 - deliver month 1 content; month 2 - deliver month 2 content; and so on...
or Month 1 - deliver week 1 - 4 (weekly); month 2 - deliver weeks 5 - 8 (weekly); and so on...

When the person cancels their subscription, then they would stop receiving the monthly content/product.

Thanks in advance for your help,

John

darrin_cooper · 07-27-2009, 04:07 PM

In order you will find the best in regards to operational ability & effectiveness.
1. Aweber
2. Member Wing
3. Wishlist Member

TE2 · 07-27-2009, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darrin_cooper

In order you will find the best in regards to operational ability & effectiveness.
1. Aweber
2. Member Wing
3. Wishlist Member

Thanks Darrin,

I use aweber and aware of the other two.

What I am not sure about is how aweber or the other two can be set up to deliver not only digital content, but also physical content. That is one factor.

The other is tying it to the payment system so that once someone cancels, then the product delivery also ceases.

Regards,

John

Keith Kogane · 07-27-2009, 04:13 PM

I don't know this especially since you're including a physical component. If you find out though, let me know.

I tend to think that no one is actually doing this very well, judging by the problems had with other monthly physical delivery products over the last year. (I can think of a couple prominent marketers that ended up converting a physical periodical over to digital due to problems finding a working system like what you're asking).

If you were talking strictly digital, it's as simple (and reliable) as just using an autoresponder and tying it to PayPal, then just bulk unsub cancels at the end of the month.

I do continuous very cheap memberships and I only create as much content as I need each week until everyone has quit. Then I go back and start marketing it again. However far I made it before I lost all my customers, that's how long I have before I need another piece of content. With the time I save, I go back and survey the people that left and see how I can fix what made them leave. If I can get them back, great. If not, I can still fix what broke my machine for them, and hopefully overcome that objection when I next encounter it.

This works 100% of the time so that literally EVERY time I re-market my course, the last member quits later and later on down the line. I've only had one list ever go past 100 messages, and anyone who makes it that far, I cancel them and keep them on the list and send them an email saying so - free for life after 100 messages.

They really love that.

And it seems to make them happy to buy lots of affiliate offers. After all they stuck with you paying for info from you for that long, it's obvious that they LOVE you and LOVE the info you share and that they have the money to spend. This one list is my best performing buyers list, bar none. And I literally send them nothing but affiliate offers. Of course, they got 100 pieces of premium info from me before that, and it sure seems like they remember it.

There are very few moving parts to this method, and I find it works very well for me. Whenever I have content that I can't deliver directly in the email, I'll link to a password protected post on a blog and share the password via email.

I'll throw in an idea here that I had but was not able to implement. The blogs where I have password protected posts could have an opt-in box where members can request the new passwords - I change them occasionally for security. However, I bet non-members will fill out that form, in which case I can decline the password request, but offer some alternative freebie, not to mention they are now on my prospect list.

Note: Some people might ask why I stop the monthly income to switch to affiliate offers. It's mainly because I find it easy to make affiliate offers than it is to create premium content. And also it allows me to focus primarily on marketing and improving my existing course series, the most obvious course of which is approaching affiliate vendors I'm promoting and ask for a JV if I've done well.

Again, I only have 1 list like this, and I've only tried that above strategy once, but hey, it worked 100% of the time.

Anyway, enough rambling. I need to go do that idea I mentioned before someone else in my niche steals the idea! LOL!

TE2 · 07-27-2009, 04:25 PM

Thanks Keith,

I am sure they are out there. Some big name users of similar systems have got to be Frank Kern, Mike Dillard, ...

But then again, they probably use big cost systems, or maybe not.

Thanks,

John

Keith Kogane · 07-27-2009, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TE2

Thanks Keith,

I am sure they are out there. Some big name users of similar systems have got to be Frank Kern, Mike Dillard, ...

But then again, they probably use big cost systems, or maybe not.

Thanks,

John

I would say they are probably using a combination of services along with custom integration between payment, digital delivery, and physical delivery. That kind of thing has a cost that's going to be out of reach unless you're already a millionaire, like the guys you name.

Sucks to say, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.

kimothy777 · 07-27-2009, 06:10 PM

I looked into this recently. I have forgotten the names of the things Ii looked into. But I remember that I decided I would need to be making quite a bit of money before I went into graduated content delivery, due to the costs involved.
I ended up doing most of my delivery via my autoresponder to solve the short term problem. That way they still get the graduated delivery from when they sign up.

Mike Adams · 07-27-2009, 08:40 PM

Yea here's the video Russel made for his micro continuity site Micro Continuity with WordPress

Thrive-Online.com · 07-29-2009, 02:35 AM

The problem that I see with recurring payments and gradual content delivery is what if someone cancels their subscription to your program and you're using the likes of Paypal, yet their on a separate Aweber, client database?

It could be days or months, depending on how many clients you have signed up to your program, and if you missed one of the cancellation and didn't take them off your list, you'd more than likely be giving them content for free after they cancel.

I have often wondered if there would be any merit in creating a software that built micro continuity sites, handling the Paypal and Aweber process synchronously, as well as all the other components of a micro c site.

So in essence you'd have one piece of software that built the entire process from optin page, to the free video secret page, to the one time offer page and then the following on education and upsell pages after they take you up on the extra 6 secrets.

Has anyone in there seen such software out there and if so what?

If they haven't, would something like that make your life easier?

This way we could all get on with cranking out out micro c sites in accordance to Russells program for building them while saving time and much more easily.

Thoughts anyone?

dannynz · 08-15-2009, 01:25 PM

hi was reading this thread cause I do have a full system for micro continuity, recurring payment etc I have done some of Russel's training and see the need.

our system has - from my memory (sorry it is Saturday and I am relaxing not, this is a quick post)

full membership management center
content deliver for continuity
make only page sectors viewable by segments of the database and in content in emails - so create one email and only certain sectors are viewable depending on how they are set up in the database
member database - edit/add fields
forms for capture when and were, just click a button to add
lots of add on things for pages e.g. gallery, tables, embeed video, forum
Create pages, edit, add images
View whole site in a tree, and URL strings, page title, turn pages on and off and on and off in the nav menu at the click of a button
email message center for email messages and enewsletters
automated enewsletter archive feature - to the archive page
email delivery center, and AR delivery (set up Autoresponders in html and text)
template design center, create multiple templates, capture pages etc
image center, upload files etc
statistics center for web pages/email open etc, track keywords etc
SEO management of all content, page titles, tags etc all on one screen
Blog - complete for SEO, add tags, multiple blogs, intergrated to twitter, facebook etc

the list goes on and on and I am doing this just from memory sorry ...

thinking of creating a beta test group of experienced IM people, if there is enough interest and then other features will be developed based on needs.

let me know

Danny

Shannon Tani · 08-15-2009, 03:41 PM

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HansM · 08-15-2009, 04:17 PM

+1 for EZ Content Manager... It's a great tool to tie paid memberships and dripping content, and many other things. (Although IMHO the sales page really should emphasize some of these features, it's much more powerful than it is sold for.)

08-15-2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannynz

hi was reading this thread cause I do have a full system for micro continuity, recurring payment etc I have done some of Russel's training and see the need.

our system has - from my memory (sorry it is Saturday and I am relaxing not, this is a quick post)

thinking of creating a beta test group of experienced IM people, if there is enough interest and then other features will be developed based on needs.

let me know

Danny

Yeah the post is so quick that you could not take the time to read the rules on self promotion ...

James

ahlexis · 08-20-2009, 03:54 PM

My suggestion is, take a look at the link at the top of the page that says "Sell Physical Products That Don't Exist!" It leads to a page on nanacast.com, where you will find a video describing a system that does all this and more. It also describes how you can turn your PDFs and other electronic deliverables into physical products very easily (hence the "physical products that don't exist" link).

Video's a bit long but very informative. The system sounds exciting! Take a look. Besides, those links are from our fearless leader, the Admin of this site. He has yet to steer me wrong.

vertical100 · 08-22-2009, 09:14 AM

I am looking for just such a system as you all.

I may use my Aweber for Opt-in.
Then use Paydotcom for payment (Paypal) and affiliate management.

I am either going with: Paydotcom, Shareasale, or e-junkie

Any recommendations?

Josh Anderson · 08-22-2009, 01:15 PM

Allen Says owner of the warrior forum made a recommendation for a system that does exactly what you are seeking for both digital and physical products.

You can find that link at the top of the forum (this page) under Warrior Forum Offers on the right side titled "Sell Physical Products that Don't Exist."

07-27-2009, 03:58 PM	#1
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Keith Kogane BadMotherShutYourMouth War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The South, USA. Posts: 686 Thanks: 75 Thanked 845 Times in 161 Posts	Re: What Is The Best Recurring Payment Gradual Content Delivery System? I don't know this especially since you're including a physical component. If you find out though, let me know. I tend to think that no one is actually doing this very well, judging by the problems had with other monthly physical delivery products over the last year. (I can think of a couple prominent marketers that ended up converting a physical periodical over to digital due to problems finding a working system like what you're asking). If you were talking strictly digital, it's as simple (and reliable) as just using an autoresponder and tying it to PayPal, then just bulk unsub cancels at the end of the month. I do continuous very cheap memberships and I only create as much content as I need each week until everyone has quit. Then I go back and start marketing it again. However far I made it before I lost all my customers, that's how long I have before I need another piece of content. With the time I save, I go back and survey the people that left and see how I can fix what made them leave. If I can get them back, great. If not, I can still fix what broke my machine for them, and hopefully overcome that objection when I next encounter it. This works 100% of the time so that literally EVERY time I re-market my course, the last member quits later and later on down the line. I've only had one list ever go past 100 messages, and anyone who makes it that far, I cancel them and keep them on the list and send them an email saying so - free for life after 100 messages. They really love that. And it seems to make them happy to buy lots of affiliate offers. After all they stuck with you paying for info from you for that long, it's obvious that they LOVE you and LOVE the info you share and that they have the money to spend. This one list is my best performing buyers list, bar none. And I literally send them nothing but affiliate offers. Of course, they got 100 pieces of premium info from me before that, and it sure seems like they remember it. There are very few moving parts to this method, and I find it works very well for me. Whenever I have content that I can't deliver directly in the email, I'll link to a password protected post on a blog and share the password via email. I'll throw in an idea here that I had but was not able to implement. The blogs where I have password protected posts could have an opt-in box where members can request the new passwords - I change them occasionally for security. However, I bet non-members will fill out that form, in which case I can decline the password request, but offer some alternative freebie, not to mention they are now on my prospect list. Note: Some people might ask why I stop the monthly income to switch to affiliate offers. It's mainly because I find it easy to make affiliate offers than it is to create premium content. And also it allows me to focus primarily on marketing and improving my existing course series, the most obvious course of which is approaching affiliate vendors I'm promoting and ask for a JV if I've done well. Again, I only have 1 list like this, and I've only tried that above strategy once, but hey, it worked 100% of the time. Anyway, enough rambling. I need to go do that idea I mentioned before someone else in my niche steals the idea! LOL!
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kimothy777 HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sunshine Coast, Queensland, Australia Posts: 151 Thanks: 84 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	Re: What Is The Best Recurring Payment Gradual Content Delivery System? I looked into this recently. I have forgotten the names of the things Ii looked into. But I remember that I decided I would need to be making quite a bit of money before I went into graduated content delivery, due to the costs involved. I ended up doing most of my delivery via my autoresponder to solve the short term problem. That way they still get the graduated delivery from when they sign up.

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dannynz Active Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 92 Thanks: 8 Thanked 27 Times in 13 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What Is The Best Recurring Payment Gradual Content Delivery System? hi was reading this thread cause I do have a full system for micro continuity, recurring payment etc I have done some of Russel's training and see the need. our system has - from my memory (sorry it is Saturday and I am relaxing not, this is a quick post) full membership management center content deliver for continuity make only page sectors viewable by segments of the database and in content in emails - so create one email and only certain sectors are viewable depending on how they are set up in the database member database - edit/add fields forms for capture when and were, just click a button to add lots of add on things for pages e.g. gallery, tables, embeed video, forum Create pages, edit, add images View whole site in a tree, and URL strings, page title, turn pages on and off and on and off in the nav menu at the click of a button email message center for email messages and enewsletters automated enewsletter archive feature - to the archive page email delivery center, and AR delivery (set up Autoresponders in html and text) template design center, create multiple templates, capture pages etc image center, upload files etc statistics center for web pages/email open etc, track keywords etc SEO management of all content, page titles, tags etc all on one screen Blog - complete for SEO, add tags, multiple blogs, intergrated to twitter, facebook etc the list goes on and on and I am doing this just from memory sorry ... thinking of creating a beta test group of experienced IM people, if there is enough interest and then other features will be developed based on needs. let me know Danny

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