Robert de Paola

Hey Guys

Has anyone had a look at the new "Screw Google" system from Trey and Frank.

I am a bit nervous about signing up for it given the feedback that some of you have had with getting a refund in case it is unsuitable. Should I be worried about given them my credit card details?

thanks

Robert

Harlan

I bought the system.

I got charged a dollar. Wow.

Meanwhile, this is really good content.

I'm watching videos from Frank and Trey. I don't care if I know this stuff, every time I watch something from Frank & Trey I learn something.

And yes. I buy stuff even from my friends.

I don't like to ask for favors.

Is this worth it?

Yes.

Two thumbs up.

Peace.

frank-kern

Hi Robert,

We pretty much have a "refund first, ask questions later" policy. If anyone has EVER had trouble getting a refund, I want to know it immediately.

When we launched InfoMillionaire, we got right around 8,000 customers in a very short time and essentially overwhelmed our support staff. (Dumb mistake.)

Add that to the fact that we were using a new support system ...which we set up WRONG (therefore causing the system to *dump* support tickets for about 4 days) and you get a customer service disaster.

That was 100% our fault and we were very embarrassed by it.

We now have tripled the support staff (all U.S. based and local to our offices) and are doing a "non-launch" as to avoid getting too many new customers too fast.

Any comments of mine regarding whether or not the product is any good would be so biased they'd be irrelevant.

So the main reason I'm replying here is to address the refund issue. That stuff freaks me out and if there's anyone who wants a refund for anything then I want them to have it.

My personal email address is superbadkern at gmail.com if anyone needs anything.

Thanks,
Frank

oneplusone

I've never had any problem with support from Frank Kern, sometimes response is a little slow during and just after their launches (when they no doubt have huge numbers of enquiries to get through) but other than that very good.

I don't know about all of Frank Kern's products but I do have Mass Control 1, Mass Control 2 and I'm subscribed to Mass Control Monthly. The stuff he teaches in these products works I found when put into practice, certainly has made me plenty of money.

There is a treasure trove of great information on his Mass Control blog alone, loads of high quality videos on marketing which are free to view, in fact watching one of his free videos on his blog last year impressed me so much I went on to buy Mass Control.

A Bary

The screenshots are from a Yahoo Search Marketing account...

Anyone got it and found valuable or new information there?

Leanne King

I'm running behind schedule today so I haven't watched the vid yet but I will say that I cancelled Infomillionaire and it was completely painless accompanied by excellent customer service. Btw I didn't cancel Infomillionaire because I thought it was a rubbish product. I have MC and the service/support for that product has been outstanding.

Harlan

The stuff Frank teaches on it is basic.

But stay with me here.

Complicating things on the Internet is where you screw things up.

You make your money on the basics.

Frank is a very lazy person.

Cousin Trey (who owes me a phone call btw) is even lazier.

And there's a very good (and seriously smart) reason behind what they are doing.

If you just follow what these two characters do, I promise you will make money.

Do not be deceived by the simplicity.

I wrote some copy for an IM guru yesterday.

His copy was very complex. I made it brain dead simple.

I watched hours of the videos last night. Now I've been doing this for a long time.

I was an original "Underachiever" before I met Frank.

And my policy has been, do what he does and make money.

Hell, just the buying process was an experience for me.

I plan on replicating everything in that process.

So now in addition to the two thumbs up, I'm holding up my elbows as well.

And how many IM gurus do you know who come on the WF and post their personal email address.


Peace.

Steve Peters Benn

Sorry to bother people here - but I noticed someone said Mass Control Monthly - is it still running and if so - where is the darn order page?

Harlan, I love how you and Frank both adopt the same approach to text layout - did Frank teach you it or vice versa?

Regardless, it really really increases readability and I've found for myself that increases sales.

With these darn DVDs on the Googles things. Do they play on PAL DVD players ?

Harlan

I'd love to say Frank stole it from me.

In fact, I'm going to go ahead a say it.

Frank stole it from me.

Actually, it's all about readability.

John Carlton - who teaches BOTH of us - now advocated paragraphs no longer than two sentences. I now try to follow this advice if at all possible.

It makes my copy deceptively simple.

So when you are reading my next sales letter, before you order the product, take a second to notice the layout and the supreme short paragraphs.

Peace.

Harlan

PS. Before you order Mass Control monthly, make a vow to watch it through in its entirety every month. Really good stuff. July 09 was masterful.

Steve Peters Benn

Hi Harlan,

I already do take notice! Where is the order page for Mass Control monthly?

Universal_Soul

Hi,
Just wanted to say I never had any problems with refund (I cancelled Infomillionaire because I had too much things to do at this time - the content was great and useful anyway) - quick, easy and they were very kind and extended my trial for another two weeks to give me more time, but I still couldn't make it. I don't know if I'll make it this time either - but the time is coming I feel really bad because I'll definitely use some stuff they show in "Screw Google". Actually I'll start today - because this thing is just awesome! Simplicity is what I love about them. But simple is the most efficient - the more complicated the less the chance I'll ever do this....

Best

JJ

oneplusone

Mass Control Monthly is closed I believe at the moment.

It isn't cheap at $297/month but it is well worth it though I have to say.

It is one membership I won't cancel along with Total Access Club run by Ryan Deiss which is also excellent I have found.

Steve Peters Benn

oh dear. Ah well, I will wait for it to reopen then. How long has it been running now?

BeauJustin

The content on these videos is beyond exceptional its ease of implementation. Every video is highly actionable, and by the end of the hour it takes to watch and take notes you'll be ready to go.

Harlan

On Twitter, I told Trey it's one of the best products I've ever bought.

Now add to the fact that it cost a friggen dollar?

Man oh man!

So, find the link someplace and buy it.

Great info and over delivery as usual.

Peace

sebber

Harlan is right - loved Physiology of Excellence btw!

Frank Kern is an incredibly gifted marketer and teaches in a way that is both fun and highly effective...

He is like that teacher at school whose good results the "serious" teachers didn't understand and kind of resented...

In other words, he *gets* it.

None of this HAS to be too serious. I think we all have a tendency to overcomplicate life...

What I also like about Frank Kern is his honesty. He admits exactly what he is doing every step of the way and that's a pretty rare commodity in IM...

I think his video series with Trey is simple but very effective. It gets the point across and shows exactly what it is being done...

It's a blueprint...

You don't need a dissertation on this and I personally learn better when I'm entertained...

markshields

Frank Kern and his material is absolutely amazing I was very impressed with Mass Control 2.0 the best value for money I have seen in a very long time and I am sure his Screw Google product also is as people on skype have been saying good things about it

GautamSaha

Does this talk about only paid traffic method (PPC?) or free traffic method too?

12c a click can be costly too, if you end up with lots of clicks, but no sale!!

George Montagu Brown

Forgetting Frank Kern (who we all love to love lol) and focusing on the product itself... which was the original question I believe. I've implemented it and it is bloody easy as hell to set up lol. Took me about 15 minutes to get a campaign up (and I never use pay per click).

It does what it says on the tin and is a super easy way to drive a whole bunch of traffic... Without bothering with the whole landing page/quality score shenanigans.

However, just like in Franks video, the clicks I've found do not convert too well. So whether the system is actually good or not I don't know. What I will say is that I picked one of the best converting products in my experience on Clickbank and have only got one sale from over 300 clicks now. I will continue to let the campaign run though and will be sure to report back on any updates in the next couple of days.

So there's the facts, no bias.

George

Mitch Miller

Amitywill- That took balls, especially on this forum where Frank is a god.

The videos are only an hour huh? That makes me wonder why Harlan was watching them for "hours". As he stated he has been doing this for a long time but yet he felt a need to watch them for hours? That sort of has me scratching my head.

maesil

I have no idea what the past posts say, but let me give you guys some wisdom. Never say anything offensive to Google. Without Google, there wouldn't be a retirement plan to retire on for the infamous "retired internet millionaire." You can look him up on google, he's an awesome guy because he regularly sends email notifications of exactly what to enter into your adwords text fields. Bottom line to all of you, Google reigns supreme!

Marian Berghes

offtopic:
No, media buying reigns supreme...google only has a fraction of the internet advertising market.

jimzimm

I have lurked on these forums off and on for quite a long time and I have never posted (don't really know why). I have watched many of Frank Kern's videos and found him to be very funny and entertaining, but have never purchased one of his products. For whatever reason, probably the $1 price, I decided to purchase The Screw Google System, and I have to say that I found it extremely informative and simple to take action on.

It is true that the videos take less than an hour to go through, but they are very entertaining and informative. I followed the instructions exactly, and had my first campaign implemented in about 45 minutes. The first day my campaign ran, I had one sale, about $25 commission on only $5 in ad spent, about $.15 per click. Another sale the second day with less than $10 ad spent, 2 sales the third day, and one sale already today.

The system works extremely well and the cost per click can be set very low, I used $.20, and be tweaked depending on the keyword, position, amount of traffic, etc.

Like anything else, it will take some monitoring to assure that you are targeting buying keywords, setting the CPC properly, confirming that you have good converting product, etc. But, this system definitely works. It may take a few products to find one that converts well, but with the cost of the system ($1), the time needed (very minimal) and the cost associated with marketing the product (extremely low CPC), it is a great value.

Jim Zimmermann

frank-kern

Jim, that rules!

Amitywill, you have a point. Strangely, you're the first person to say anything about the fact that our initial test campaign didn't yield a profit.

We expected to hear some concern over it earlier since we've had so many customers.

And we considered delaying the release of these videos until we could show an immediately profitable campaign. (After all, all we'd have to do is test a gazillion products and then only show the winners.)

However, we thought it would be SUPER LAME to *only* film/show winning campaigns.

The fact of the matter is this: When you're testing affiliate products with PPC, you're not always profitable right out of the gate. In fact, I've never met a single person who is *instantly* profitable when promoting affiliate products via PPC.

Sometimes, you promote a product that doesn't convert and you move on. No big deal if you're monitoring the campaigns.

Sometimes you have some keywords that convert and you have others that are eating up your profits so you cut them off. This is the most common scenario.

What we show in the videos is REALITY.

If we'd edited out the duds and made it look like our first promotion out of the gate was a winner, we'd set up customer expectations that their first promo out of the gate should be a winner.

And while I hope that the first campaign everyone sets up is immediately profitable (like Jim's), I know that's not often the case. You usually have to trim the fat.

So to set up a false expectation that the very first campaign is going to be a winner would (IMO) be a grave disservice to the customer.

And the reason I believe this is because they would likely say, "Damn! My first promo didn't convert. I must be doing something wrong. I quit!"

...When in reality, they just needed to test another one. Or they simply need to trim the dud keywords and only run the ones that convert.

So that's my side of the coin on this issue.

Also, we *did* get a sale on the new product we switched to.

And we're testing other ones that are converting as well.

In fact, I just shot an update video about it and am uploading that today (for any customers who are interested.)

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Frank

Harlan

Secret - not only did I watch them for ours - I've been studying the manual too.

Every time I follow Frank's advice I make money.

I have an advantage - I can tell good copy.

So if the copy on the site has good copy - I'll spend my money.

I trust my judgment together with what I will learn from Clickbank.

But in all seriousness, living a life a debauchery costs money.

Surf boards, beer, and Mexican food all cost money.

I think everyone should give Frank a dollar.

He needs the money.

Amitywill

And yes I've just noticed the big sign up the top. So I probably will get banned.

I didn't really mean to slag of Frank even though it seems that way. However
I see the product has flaws and to me it seems unfinished. If it wasn't for the
ending then the product would have been very good.

Frank says at the end that the product didn't convert but another one might.

If he had gone a little bit further with the videos and tested another product
and proved it works then I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Will

Amitywill

Frank, I think you should hire this guy for your personal pr lol.

sebber

What was valuable here:

- Trey and Frank showed me SOME new ways to hone in on Keywords

- Ways to bolster keyword research

- Quirky banter: makes learning easier and more fun.

- Integrity: I'm a bit jaded with all the "I made $18,423 in 12 hours using a 56k internet connection and living off tinned ham!!!" hype. This video was, I felt, very honest and realistic....

I don't think anyone should be banned on any forum for providing a controversial point of view. It's a forum, after all. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as it's well-stated and not just idiotic bashing. In this case, although I disagree, I don't think it's fair to slam Amitywill for his views. That's just my two cents, though!

Back on point: I think you can learn a lot from people's mistakes and their successes, as there will be clues all over the place.

Too much is left out in many other marketing materials but, as far as I'm concerned, Frank Kern is happy to admit his mistakes and show where he could have improved things. That seems to be his thing, though.

He makes mad cash, apparently, so doesn't need to pretend he's the second coming...

I don't kiss ass, by the way. I just think it's fair to give credit where it's due...

Scott Ames

Got it. Going through the stuff. I love it. I don't know what it is, personality or something, but I can sit through Frank's presentations while I can't sit through the same type of presentation from other people.

It may be basic to you, or it may be revolutionary, it depends on where you are at.

What I really enjoy is the sales process. If you pay attention to how you were enticed to buy the thing you can learn tons.

Jason Moffatt

If you listen really really really closely I believe he has "Iron Maiden" music playing in the background very softly. I think that is the secret technique that makes people go nuts.

Black Hat Cat

How much of a marketing genius can he be if he has just recently discovered Yahoo ppc?

This is all well and good, but.....wasn't the point of the course that you could send traffic directly to clickbank affiliate products and make sales?

You're definitely in the minority here. Apparently here, the person who puts out a lame product isn't responsible for the lame product they put out. Not saying this product is lame, just a general observation.

drdennisclark

TOPIC 1: THE SCREW GOOGLE STRATEGY

Frank and Trey are pretty cool, aren't they? I took them up on the $1 Screw Google offer last night and got started right away. About midnight (not the best time to work error-free) either I encountered a real glitch or Tracking202 has done something very different than F&T described. They require a subscription to make Stats202 work, with a 7-day free trial. OK, I was too far in at that time to chuck it, so I went ahead and subscribed. However, the Stats202 page then came up with an error and a statement that they have been working to fix it since Aug. 15. Stopped me dead in my tracks.

The important point of the Screw Google strategy is to track, improve, save money, improve, make more money, improve, ... you get the picture. If any of you folks have figured out a way to accomplish this in spite of Stats202 not working yet (e.g., not able to enter my postback url), please share it here. I'd love to get this baby cranking!

Frank/Trey...is this my doing, or is it real? Any suggestions?

TOPIC 2: FRANK KERN

Great personality, fun guy, maybe a future Oscar winner. The most important thing that I see running through all the threads about Frank is that he is predominantly a giving person. I recognize it as the key to his success. Givers gain. The universe provides. It says so in the bible, somewhere.

If I was to pretend to be a marketing guru (since I'm not), the first thing that I would teach all of my adoring hordes is the value of giving. That is the core value shared by all of humanity. Thanks, Frank! (Credit for this trait has to go to someone who brought you up, so please thank your mom for me, too. Really. Tell her someone noticed her handiwork.)

BTW, I'll see your email address, Frank, and raise you a cell phone number:

dennis [at] drdennisclark [dot] com
602 [dash] 908 [dash] 8520

In the immortal words of Eeyore, "Thanks for noticin' me."

Dennis

treysmith

Hey dude, check out the next video module... module 5.1 I believe.

We show you how to get around the stats202 problem (and without having to pay
them anything).

treysmith

Ok Dennis, I just looked in there... There are two videos for Module 5, make sure you watch the one on the bottom too.

Thanks,

Trey

drdennisclark

Thanksabunch, Trey. I was feeling soooooo silly, and maybe a little persecuted. Cooler heads have prevailed (yours), and I also got a little direction from the folks at Tracking202. ow all is one with the universe. Back to Yahoo for the grand finale!

More later,
Dennis

shownuff

I tell you what. Using this screw google method I made my first clickbank sale ! And I ran into that Tracking202 issue as well. Will have to check out the new vids.The biggest thing I've learned so far is keyword research. I was just lazy with it. I spent the most time doing just that. Now it's just getting better with ads. He aint lying. I was able to get down to .13 clicks.

Trey gave some good tips on finding different keywords. And yeah it's easy to watch Franks videos than others. I've pruned my subscription list to about 5. And he is in that group.

One last thing. There may be something to yahoo and bing. I work in the cable industry and go to many homes. Guess what is the home page on many of those shiny new laptops and computers. MSN/Bing including the search bar. Just food for thought.

Ineta

Hi,
I came accross this discussion looking for ways to get my hands on that $1 baby. I really want it, but without a credit card it's a bit tough to do it. I left a comment on the blog, but without a response to it. Now I see that Frank is freequenting this page, so I might be in luck.
Frank, Trey, I do not want to bother you through personal email that's been put out here, but is there any chance of you setting up a paypal payment option for the likes of me? I am on your list and getting updates, but there is no way I can give you the money before actually earning enough to be given a credit card. I am not moaning, and I'm on my way up. Yet I think your knowledge could propell me a bit faster, hence the entry here...
Thanks guys
Ineta

frank-kern

Shownuff: Congrats on your first sale. That's awesome!

Ineta: Sorry about not taking PayPal. We haven't been able to integrate it with our membership/support system so that's why we don't use it. Nothing against PayPal.

Dr.DennisClark: Glad you got the Tracking202 and Stats202 thing sorted. Stats202 was free for a straight year and then they started charging for it like 2 days after we released our course.

Doh!

But as you've noticed, we found an easy way around it so all's well :-)

Dana Goetz

Frank you simply rock and so does Trey. Both of you are excellent teachers! I got my campaign up and running in about an hour. We have our cpc at .10. Even if some of my campaigns tank, no worries when you are taught from the best.

You guys are so masterfully brilliant that most people have no idea of the bigger picture that is going on. I say screw the naysayers as they were not going to stay customers long anyway.

Informillionaire, screw google and mass control have been my complete online education and I for one am very appreciative of it. Tracking202 gives you the exact keyword that makes you sales and you can't get any better than that.

Thanks Trey/Frank for providing internet marketing education, you truly are making a difference for many people online.

jimzimm

Since I posted on this thread earlier, I thought I would give an update.

After my original post, my campaign has continued to be profitable. I have used the information from Stats202 to tweak the campaign. The non-converting keywords have been removed, and I have actually upped my bid on the converting keywords to increase my traffic. The results have been very good, I am averaging 2 to 3 sales per day, my CPC has gone up slightly, but my overall cost has remained consistent because I am concentrating on my keywords that convert. The conversions and ROI are fantastic, with my commission at approximately $25 per sale, I am getting between $50 and $75 per day and my ad costs are averaging $10 to $15.

I am now in the process of starting a new campaign, just got it up and running yesterday. I have decided that about 250 clicks is a good test, and with CPC so low, on this campaign it looks like $.10 will get me quite a few clicks, I can test a market in less than a week for about $25.

One last note. I was watching Frank's last video and, much to my surprise, there I am being referenced by the great Frank Kern (sigh). So that brings me to my question, in the future, when I release my first product, Frank, will you appear in one of my videos?

Thanks Frank and Trey for a great system and education, all for $1.

Jim Zimmermann

thenextlevel

How do I find the screw google program? A google search turned up nothing for me. Anyone have a link or something? Thanks!

oneplusone

If you go to Frank Kern's blog here:

http://masscontrolsite.com/blog/

Then click the link under the video it takes you to the site.

thenextlevel

Thanks oneplusone!

ShaneBoyd

I bought the Screw Google about a week ago. It really takes you back to basics.

As some of the other Gurus have said.."It's like Google Adwords but 5 years ago".

Lately there's been so much scuttlebutt about how to follow google's algorithms and nobody really gets it anyway. Maybe some of the seasoned vets do, but most of us don't.

And really, so many products just show you how to kiss butt to google. Google got weird on us.

So Frank and Trey just said the hell with ya, I'm going elsewhere. Cool.

The Screw Google method really is dead easy. The videos are very simple to follow and you'll have ad programs up real quick. Just off the cuff, I think it's more for beginners.

Let's face it. The gurus know all about yahoo's ppc and they already have their own product. Well, the screw google product teaches both things.

My only complaint was this. The tracking system they show you how to use is now a PAID service. So don't expect to track your ads with it unless you want to spend $27 a month. The name of the tracking software slips my mind now, but you'll see it in the vids.

The product came at just the right time. Right after Google got all pissy about affiliates and giving us a hard time. So I was very happy with it. It's one of the 3 products I currenty use daily.

The other 2 are Money Siphon and Commission Ritual.

Just one more thing, if Frank or Trey ever read this post I'd really like to say..."thanks for showing me how to be an internet entrepreneur without being such a boring ass stick in the mud. so many other coaches just seem so friggin dull and it makes the product seem dull as well. yours isn't that way at all. now I can do product research for hours and actually have a good time doing it. Thanks"

Shane

jimzimm

Shane,

Just want to clarify one thing from your post, the tracking system that is used in The Screw Google System did go to paid when Frank and Trey released the program. But, there is a workaround and a video was added to the back office. You can still track all of your campaigns very effectively for $0 cost.

Jim Zimmermann

ShaneBoyd

Thanks Jim, I'll start that on my next ppc.

treysmith

Thanks Shane... We're actually about to launch a new show within the Members area
called "The Frank and Trey Show"... It should be really fun. We start shooting early
next week.

By the way... you don't have to pay for the tracking. They DID start charging for the
"stats202" portion, but we updated module 5 with a new video showing you how to
check stats for free.

I'm actually about to redo module five (make it one video instead of two) to avoid
confusion.

Thanks, and glad you all are enjoying it!

Trey

lonestar6

I also purchased infomillionaire package
i kept my monthly subscription untlil
frank decided to make it digital instead
of recieving it in the mail every month
I cancelled my subscripion with no problems
Great people to deal with.

treysmith

FYI guys... the new Module 5 video (about tracking) is updated.

Thanks,

Trey

Code64

Trey,
what's coming up this month in INFO MARKETING MONTHLY?