jempub

Just so you know...

I actually tested a "Iphone apps" program where
you offer "unlimited app downloads", games, etc...

Now this SHOULD be targeted to EXACTLY what
am iphone user wants...

Same thing my friends...

Plenty of impressions... Plenty of clicks... NO SALES!

I believe from the testing that's been posted, you can
see exactly what this product produces.

Talk soon,
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MoneyPlus

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You just saved me $25 bucks.
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Didi

Thank God I found this post regarding about this product. I was hyped up and ready to invest in this program but after seeing all the posts pertaining to this product, I think I'll pass.

Seems like the traffic is untargetted and this is bad news especially when you have to pay for the advertising. Maybe this program is better suited for CPA offers. One good point that was pointed out, people don't really make purchases (things like ebooks, hardwares or even health products) thru their cell phones.

If you have the money to spend on advertising, PPC is one good option. The traffic is targetted and if you find that Google Adwords may be too competitive for you (within your niche), Yahoo and MSN would be another good alternative as they are not as competitive compared to Google. I may be wrong but that's just my opinion

Didi

WealthWinners

Very good points you make.

But I have one question. Why am I a sheep because I actually believed what the sales page said? Or should I assume all sales pages are lying?

Perhaps it is because I look to find products with integrity and truth in advertising. Or maybe I am just being naive.

I have been fortunate to have been able to find some product that over deliver. Once you find those, it is hard to not feel like you been "taken" by someone who says that they are going to reveal to you a method, then shows you how you can make money "now" only to lose more after following instructions.

MOST people do not think outside the box. I am not most people. I see this has potential. But I know that most people will do exactly what the instructions say. Which is why I did it the way I did.

I figured that if I follow the instructions, get an honest result, and report it accurately, then I will be able to promote this in good conscience and KNOW that the product works like it says it will.

I think following instructions is actually a lost art.

Of course, if I always followed instructions, then I would still be working as a cubicle slave...ROFL

WealthWinners

Gary, are you just a glutton for punishment? LOL

Actually, you are doing what I would have done if I wanted to continue to test. Test different things to see what sticks.

If iPhone apps won't stick, what will?

By the way, you must have pushed all your ads out at once. I set mine to just get randomly placed throughout the day. Because I am still waiting on the last few dollars to be used before I check again and post the results.

jempub

Hi Sharon.

Yes... I used the "send ads at once" I really don't
think it matters at all.

Still very horrible results either way.

Talk soon,
Gary

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http://opportunity-advisor.com/soloadbooking.html

Steadyon

Perhaps the best way to make money from Cell Phone Cash is by mugging people, stealing their cell phone and selling it on Ebay or down the pub.

I wouldn't advise it nor this course.

OnlineMarketingSys

While the creator of this product definatly showcased that he was able to make astonishing money directly from promoting clickbank products through these methods. Let's be realistic here, and assume that the money earned probably was from his promoting other products he sells,ect. Unless it's your OWN clickbank product, I wouldn't expect ANY sales from promoting to cellphone users.

As many previously have pointed out, NO one, absolutly NO one is going to scroll through an entire sales letter on their iphone and then start entering all their billing information, credit card info. It just isn't going to happen. If you cannot see yourself doing it, and you have a reason to actually WANT to see it happen, no consumer is going to.

So what probably happened to the 1000-4000 people that presumably may have had some interest in your advertisement? I am sure that probably some of those people actually bought the product. But what happened was they said, hmmm. this sounds interesting. I'll make a note of it, and when I get back home, go online and check out this product from my PC. So they fired up their PC and went to the salespage of either the seller directly or more likely some other affiliate promoting the product and you lost out on the sale.

So personally unless you are promoting your own Clickbank product, I would STAY far away from this. As the seller mentioned in the last part of the very last video, CPA offers that require only an email or zip code or presenting a sales page with the offer under a different name, getting their mobile users email address probably all will work. The bottom line is, you need to either be able to reach out to them on their PC after they visit your advertisement or you need to make money off of them with an email address or zip code. If you had some promotion that had them directly bill their phone provider, say a mobile application or ringtone. This also may work.

The bottom line is, people do buy items through their phones. But they don't do so in the traditional sense. They purchase applications, mobile ringtones,ect all of which are either billed directly on their phone bill. Or the merchant is presetup where they only need to login with a user name and password and click checkout.

I'll give you an example http://www.tapjoy.com , Tapjoy is a marketing agency that uses several ad networks to target cell phone users. Let's say you have a "daily reminder application for the iphone, sort of electronic organizer that has more bells and whistles that what comes with it". Cellphone users have an interest in your product, and when they see your sales advertisement on their cellphone. They click the "buy now" button on the advertisement and it's presetup to electronically debit from their account. No entering name,address,city,email,credit card #. That's a typical transaction that hundreds of thousands of cellphone users make yearly. It works and is proven to work, because it's easy and less hasle than entering all the customer information.

Now, if a large advertising network does it this way, And it's shown to work (otherwise they probably wouldn't be in business for a long time). Why would they choose to do it this way, over having a simple checkout page. Think it costs them more to program the application to checkout, they have to handle more backend work, databases,ect. Simple, because really the ONLY way people buy things on their devices.

The app store on iphone, works in a similar fashion. The users don't sit their entering all their information. Why? Because 90% of the people wouldn't do it, and of the 10% that may tediously bog through it, 9.9% get turned off when they have to repeatidly enter their address because they made a typo or something didn't go through. So they say forget it, it's too much hasle.

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NicholasP

OnlineMarketingSys,

Couldn't have said it better! Absolutely agree with you and I have been a mobile designer 5 years ago. CPA offers with simple email or zipcode submission is the only way to go. Even with a great browser and iPhone device, it is great for browsing but not for form submission and eCommerce.

And I have reviewed the 7 videos in Module One. Promising though.

Nick

WealthWinners

(still waiting for the ad to end to post the results...yawn)

OnlineMarketingSys, thank you so much for that insight! At this point I am going to chalk this up to a learning experience and taking one for the team.

Unfortunately, not owning an iPhone puts me at a disadvantage. Because I think having one would have made me think more about how I would have used it.

Oh well. At least others can learn from what they read here. Been an interesting ride! woo

Sharon

tjk1058

Well so far I promoted 2 different CB products... went through approx $37 before pausing my campaigns (no sales) as I still think that CB products may not be the way to go.

I'm watching this thread to see other results before deciding to continue.

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OnlineMarketingSys

It's really not your fault, you followed the directions of a system you were told that works. Unfortunatly as you and others have found out, Clickbank products are probably one of the worst items to market with this medium (unless they are your own cb products).

More than likely the seller of this system had originally created the modules and intended to release the whole set or probably certainly more than the first. However, it didn't work out with his subscription idea and really wanted to make more money. Remember how it was every four weeks for each module and then 7 day's. In any regard, I'm sure he's receiving quite a few cancelations, but he's probably doesn't care. I wouldn't be surprised if he's paid a healthy commission by the ad networks for people that click through his links. And how many of you that signed up with the ad network did so, I know I personally did. I wouldn't be surprised if every referring url that had came from his site, he got paid probably a health commission. Not to mention his cookie probably got saved, so when you came back latter if you didn't purchase immediatly he probably still got paid.

In any case going back to your example above. Open up the site, are you going to want to zoom in and out, scroll left and right to read the sales pitch? More than likely not, and that is why companies use software to detect versions and have iphone html designed pages. These pages pull up properly in the iphone and don't need to be scrolled all over the place.

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l23bc

By the way people its not just iphones i too dont have a iphone because i dont see the point to them at all and over here in the u.k most iphones are on just one network which i dont like

anyways just tried this method out on a km900 or the lg arena and my mate tried it on his iphone anway i used a CPA offer(dating niche)

I did like a few in here and paid $50 for costs so i will keep you posted but the CPA dating site offer was optimized and had no video my my txt line was "looking for a date click here" so far had no results so possibly i may be on to clickbank for refund later but im not too sure because i dont want to feel like i could of missed out on something.

anyway will let you lot know how i get on later
andy

Chaz Foxx

d**N too late... But Really your making $328,000 a month and your really going to show others. Hmm Idk.

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l23bc

chaz you said that well, i throught you was saying that to me,

anyway just to let you know anyway spent $50 on ad costs and spent 5 dollars so far but no sales which is weird so will be using up my credits and sticking to cpa offers in the future


andy

OnlineMarketingSys

Very true depending on how you advertise, it can be on Iphone devices or internet capable cell phones.

Let me ask you, did you actually go through signing up on the dating site or even better have your friend do so? The biggest obstical your going to run into in whether someone is going to want or can even easily fill out and complete the offer.

I haven't looked at what's required to get paid out at dating offers. But I would venture they pay for a "completed new user" and "paid user". So in this case, someone has to enter their email address, zip code, date of birth gender, birthday. Then they have to actually create the profile: with their tagline, about them, who they are seeking, religion, ethnicity, hair color, smoking habits you name it. And that is just for being a registered user, you actually want them to possibly enter all their billing information,ect.

You really need to go through the whole purchase cycle. And if your the one trying it- if it's frustrating and taking a long time for you (chances are your "customers" have already given up).

Call up your friend and seriously ask him to log in and fill out the offer on his iPhone. I imagine that in 10 minutes your going to get a call, say that "forget it". Or if he does actually complete the full signup, with actual information - "who he's seeking,ect" , that it was a pain and really had to struggle to finish it.

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WealthWinners

drumroll please....

Summary of activity : 2009-08-05 to 2009-09-04
Total Impressions:216,769
Total Clicks:1,229
Average CTR: 0.57%
Average CPC: $0.04
Total Cost: $49.16

pasted from the reporting section of the service.

CB sales? ZERO

*sigh*

Think I should ask for a refund of the remaining .84? LOL. They stopped the campaign because I ran out of funds. ya think?

Ok, so hard lesson learned. Time to move on to bigger and better things.

There is one other thing I want to mention.

And this is thinking outside the box. I don't have the talent for it but someone here probably does, so I am giving away this nugget for free...

Whoever can write a way to take a regular website and easily convert it to mobile app will be rich. I mean I know we can all go in and create a way for our site to work on mobile apps but that isn't what I am talking about.

I am saying that someone should create a way to put in a url and magically make it transform to app size on your screen. Maybe there is something like that and I am just unaware.

I only use my cell phone for emergencies so I don't have anything other than basic service.

So if something like that already exists, please forgive my ignorance.

Thanks for all the insight and posts guys. Next time, I will let someone else try. teehee

asnorth

I suspect one of the later modules will talk about landing pages, and maybe that is the way around it.
Create a presell/landing page for the clickbank product at yourdomain.com, then create an optimized for mobile page at yourdomain.com/mobile. On the mobile page give enough bullet points etc to entice them to go to their computer and get further information on yourdomain.com.
What do you think, is this too many steps maybe?
It's a shame the guys that said they had earnt from this already have gone quiet...

Tony

OnlineMarketingSys

Let's end this Tomfoolery /n pl : 1. Foolish bahavior 2. Something trivial or foolish;nonsense Directly from Admob- This system is fundamentally flawed and will NOT work.

So let's get down to examining this system, along with the support staff from Admob and their response in their own words. So the creator of this system reports astonishing results, which all but one person here has been unable to reproduce. So who's right and who's wrong? And what does the advertising network say (remember these are the guy's that have all the numbers and stats). We'll look at all of this, as well as the question "why does my advertising budget get exhausted in 5-60 minutes, when none of my adwords campaigns or ppc campaigns do"

Here is Admob's answer Taken from their official support - Google Group.

AdMob Advertiser Discuss | Google Groups (From the topic:
Advertiser Best Practices When Promoting Free vs. Paid Applications Options)

or directly from Admob's site http://www.admob.com/home/help/helpf...s/iphoneAdTips

"There are essentially two types of applications an advertiser can advertise, Free or Paid. Depending on the application, conversion rates for free apps are typically around 10%, but vary from 5-20% depending on the app. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 10 will install your app."

So in other words, if I am giving away my application it's going to cost me roughtly $3.00 to aquire 10 new users or $30 to aquire 100 new users. So let's say we have a email submit offer, after scrubbing (were likely going to be left with 6/10 leads if not less). So we hopefully would make $6 - $3 for advertising = $3.00 Net. Now that is if we are lucky!

Even worse: For the Clickbank method that has been advised to us:

"Historically, conversion rates are far lower for paid apps with generally only 1% of clicks converting into paid customers. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 1 will install your app. For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app. "

Ok, one word that comes to mind is WOW. Now to examine this: The first thing to notice is these are for applications, meaning the customer only has to click on the application and their purchase is electronically debited from the Apps store. So no entering customer information, credit card info, ect on a small mobile device. Not to mention most of these paid applications are between 99cents-$5.00 max. We are asking customers to pay in some cases 10 times as much...

So guess what folks, in our case the conversion rate is going to be even less that 1%, if we are lucky maybe a .5% or less. OUCH!

But for illustration purposes let's say we spend $50 in advertising and see what we are left with.

$50 = 1250 clicks at .04 cents. Which should give us 12 sales roughly. Now keep in mind the average cost of an application in the App store is $0.99

So we effectively spent $50 to make $12. Resulting in a NET LOSS of $38. Which closely matches what Admob's own support group mentioned :For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app.

Second let's examine the leads:
Users have been reporting that $50 in leads get blown away almost instantly. Whereas most adwords campaigns run for at least a day. So clearly the leads are very untargetted, and don't convert. Just think - how does 100,000 impressions get made within minutes it's astonishing. Here are just a few recaps of users experiences. You can find more if you Google "Admob results".

1st Candidate:
The ad was live for about 30 minutes. It received
26,815 impressions
with 200 clicks resulting in an average
CTR of 0.75% with an average
CPC of $0.50.

On Thursday, I received the sales numbers for Wednesday's BlackBook sales. They were a disappointing 16 sales. We average about that or more per day for the BlackBook, without the ads. Since we sell the BlackBook for 99 cents, we only make 70 cents per sale. With 16 sales, we made $11.20. $11.20 minus the $100 in ads, turns out to an $88.80 loss on the campaign.

2nd Candidate:
ran an ad in the US only.
He promoted a game that cost $0.99

Day before: 11 sales.
584 Clicks and $29.20 poorer ...
Next day 6 sales.
Conversion rate -5 ?
NET RESULT : LOSS ON CAMPAIGN

3rd Candidate:
What were the results?:
Targeted us: 20cents per click
Impressions: 45,000
Clicks 200
Cost $50

Non targetted :$0.04 click
Impressions: 178,418
Clicks 1,159
CTR 0.65%
Cost $50.00

Not so bad I thought, but… wait a minute, how many people bought your app?, you might think. What is the return of my investment with admob? The results are nothing but simply INCREDIBLE. The sales of my $100 USD Advertising campaign were: 2

So let me Ask you a question Admob…. Do you mean that after I’ve spent ONE HUNDRED BUCKS in advertising with you, I get $1.4 USD???? NET LOSS $98.60


Recap:

So if your going to invest in this system, just remember that your actions may be Tomfoolery. No one here has reported earnings from using this system (other than stephan and he's advertising the product), nor does Admobs own support group using their mathmatical and quantitative factual evidence support this system.

I personally would love to see someone actually prove both Admobs and my assessment wrong. But until more people start reporting positive results or someone can vouch for the campaigns. We are left with both the facts and figures that the ad network provided and the thousands of dollars they have watched of advertising flow through their netowrks.

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oneplusone

I was looking at this yesterday.

I think I'll give this a miss for the time being.

WealthWinners

Wow! I only dropped back in on this thread this morning to see if anyone else had posted some results.

OnlineMarketingSys, you did a lot of analogy on this. The information you provided will definitely be of help, thanks for all that work and insights.

Gary, I think our posts will be enlightening enough for others to make their own judgement. It will be interesting to check back on this in a few weeks to see if there is anyone actually posting results that are positive.

Have a great Labor Day weekend guys!

Cass Tyson

Wow, great thread everyone. I bought in, even after I got annoyed at the fact it's $25/month -- yes, I realized that before hand. I was also a bit annoyed at the fact I'll have to wait 7 days for the second module. And I never had any misguided belief that my CB account would look like his any time soon... but I believe that was not faked, and as such I will accept that he knows a hell of a lot more about PPC than I do.

So I watched the vids, and followed along, and set up my ad. It was approved almost immediately, and after a couple of hours I check back and saw I was gettng a ton of impressions and even a few clicks! I got jazzed when after a mere $1.68 in admob spending, I saw an $11.05 sale in my CB account. I thought, hey, that's a pretty good deal! But after 168,093 impressions and 1,280 clicks, I saw NO more sales. That's $38.40 spent to make $11.05, so I turned the campaign off.

I tried another product in the dating arena, spent $44 for 126,320 impressions to generate 1,486 clicks but this time, no sales at all. Next I will test an iPhone game--more inline with what iPhone users are likely to buy on the spur of the moment -- and I will report back how that works out.

So far I'm very much in the red, but I see this as a very, very valuable education.

Now here's my beef with the system -- I know that 1 sale in 56 page views is great, and that 1 sale in 1280 page views is a dismal failure. I know this, and most of you here know this, but there is NOTHING in this course explaining how to evaluate results. NOTHING! He talks about getting up and going right away, and definitely does show how to do it, but he's really lacking any explanation about how to manage your ad campaign.

Nothing about split testing. Nothing about good ad writing. Nothing about how profit projections based on clicks paid for vs commissions earned... This is my major bone of contention. I submitted a support request asking for some clarification, and have not heard a peep as yet--it's been more than 48 hours now.

Personally, I'm not going to give up yet. I see this is as true pushing the envelope marketing, and I plan to apply a little outside the box thinking to it. I think it can be KILLER if done correctly. I mean, really, where else can you get $.03 clicks for "make money" ads?!

I think the key is in promoting the right product, within the correct parameters, and knowing how to manage it. I'm hoping there's more on this in the next module. If not, I may have to bail.

But that's just my 2 cents.

ben565

i can get clicks cheaper than this on the ppv networks

l23bc

No bashing intended it is great to see alot of people in here given this a trail and error yet i have just checked my own campaign and everyone is right, CPA offers do not work with the system at all so far i have lost 77 bucks and i hate to admit it but the words i quit are streaming to mind so much now.

so i have filled in the clickbank return foam, have to say it was fun trying this out mind?

andy

l23bc

Tony
I think in all the only people who earned form this are actully affilates via clickbank, i have lost 77 bucks from trying the method but got some coming back off the refund, so you have to try to find out
no bashing intended just my options,

andy

OnlineMarketingSys

Here is where you and most people differ. Personally I feel that the only value this education may impart is HOW TO LOOSE MONEY.

If the adnetwork's say's on their own webpage that ""Historically, conversion rates are far lower for paid apps with generally only 1% of clicks converting into paid customers. This means that for every 100 people who click on your advertisement, roughly 1 will install your app. For many paid apps, this may result in a cost per acquisition that may be higher than the sales price of the app. " Meaning that you will spend more in advertising, that you will make in profit. Split testing, managing ads is a mute point. Remember, this statement is gained from millions of campaigns across thousands of advertisers, who spends $100,000 of dollars in advertising on their network.

Clearly Admob is targetted or moving to working with large corporate advertisers, who can spend $3-10 per each new "customer". Car manufactures, fast food resturants, have insanely high budgets for marketing and many don't care whether they directly get sales, because their is no real way to measure results.

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Neromancer

I got this as well - is there anything to it?

OnlineMarketingSys

Everyone who has tried this system has LOST money on it! And it's not only this system, even people that have used the underlying methodology and same adnetwork to drive traffic to their free application have not been pleased.

Now if you can't even get a decent number of people to download your application thats being given away for free. You tell me what kind of luck your going to have convincing someone to part with $30-100 of their money on a Clickbank product.

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l23bc

I have stoked up the burner on the refund to clickbank and to be honest i did this a hour ago and its already been resloved by clickbank so i think there is more then me getting refunds, no bashng of product ment thank you

Shaun Lee

Hi Warriors, I've updated the main post with Post #72, written by OnlineMarketingSys.

Interesting thread.

wingsofsuccess

Hey Guys

My experience...

Created 2 ads - First - A CB product Second - My own product.

After almost 3 days of waiting for the Ads to be approved, i saw that my CB Ad was disapproved and removed from the system all together. No whereabouts. My Ad went right into the blackness of the infinite space, never to return.

There is no section called "disapproved Ads" where i can at least try to figure out what might have gone wrong. Luckily, i had kept a copy of my ads in an Excel sheet.

This was late at night. So i slept.

The next morning i got two mails. The first one at 1:43 AM telling me that my ad ( my own product) has been approved. The second one at 2:25 AM telling me that my balance of $50 had depleted. So within 42 minutes, i had blown up $50.

I logged into my account and there were no sales. No Impressions. No CTR and no Stats.It has been more than 30 hours, and as of writing this, i do not see any stats in my account.

I really do not know why. I am not sure if anyone else faced this problem.

I know there were no sales because i haven't got any Paypal love (i sell my product through PP)

That was for Admob.

Now for the course itself.

As with most other Warriors, i felt singed when i realized that i couldn't go through all the modules at once. Had to wait for 7 weeks. Wrote a support ticket, but no reply. It has been more than 48 hours.

The entire concept of giving one module a week really irks me. Most of us have burned our fingers having "little-knowledge"... Had we got access to the other modules, we would have had the complete picture, and we would have known about the pitfalls to avoid.

His sales page video with all that thousands per day....was really impressive. I can guess two things here.

Either the video does not contain earnings just from his cellphone campaigns. It might contain all earnings from other sources as well.

or

He is really "the guy" and we all are missing something really important here.

I don't know which one to believe. But want to believe the latter because i instinctively feel there is a lot of potential in his methods.

-Abhi

wingsofsuccess

Hi

An update...

I just realized that to check my stats, i had to go to Reporting -> Custom.

Ok, so here are my stats.

Total Impressions: 64,761
Total Clicks: 1,250
Average CTR: 1.93%
Average CPC: 0.04
Total Cost: $50

Nomad Warrior

stefanjames sounds to me like you're drinking a bit too much of Mack's cool aid buddy... but if you really are making money with Mack's methods... AWESOME!
would you mind showing us some real stats to support the claim?

in my testing... the numbers simply do NOT add up.
I am getting the same results as those posted by Gary and SRLee

tonio79 I am with you based on my experience as well (and yes... I bought the product)

Folks... this is NOT a $25 product!
you need to pay MONTHLY $25
this was mis-represented in the sales letter and video pitch
BAD BAD BAD

I paid for the course and watched (module 1) ALL the videos (in module 1) and acted on them as well in order to give fellow warriors some insight into reality.
Total time invested... an hour and a half

Mack also throws in a PDF with 50 tips on making money that is worth... about 50 cents... if you don't mind frequent misspellings and grammar errors which a respectable TEACHER / MENTOR / COACH simply would not tolerate since such actions diminish reputation as fast as admob gobbles up our deposits.

So, thus far, I spent $500 in admob advertising and managed to get all but 2 ads out of 12 approved. I ran those ads for the past 3 days and earned... drum roll please....

zero

none of the offers converted!
CTR was under 2% for most offers so there is traffic out there that will click on ads but I expect that there is also a huge amount of fraud as well.

Free Trials did not convert (probably due to the shipping fees)
email offers did not convert (no obvious reason other than perhaps slow page load on cell networks)
zip submits did not convert (no idea why... probably same as email offer issue)
CB offers did not convert (probably due to tonio79's comments)

hope this insight into my personal 3 days of testing helps a few of you out there... and yes... I will continue testing a few more CPA offers just to be sure

the main issue I have is zero sales after... 476,000 impressions generating 3800 clicks

OnlineMarketingSys

Well given all of the research and reporting done so far, I cannot say that I am surprised. One thing I am curious about is the Admob network, I am wondering if you have any analytics from your own site?

Are the people that are viewing your offer from the advertisement, exiting right away or are they actually viewing your ad? I just cannot get over the CPC rate that offers are being filled at.

Especially after reading this assessment out by Amethon, a research analytics and mobile performance marketer. www.Amethon.com

Amethon Insights: Admob Marketplace ? Burning cash and fighting click-fraud

"The biggest offender clicked through 458 times in about 30 minutes without going to any other page and we estimate that the total number of fraudulent clicks was around 13% of the total click throughs. This suggests that it is a serious problem for Admob and potentially other ad networks, and is something that advertisers need to consider when investing in these types of campaigns.
So in summary, Admob is very good at generating traffic for our Mobile Analytics testing but I would hesitate to recommend it as a useful marketing tool given the restrictive budgeting capabilities, the quality of the subscribers and the high rate of click fraud."

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l23bc

in all honesty you could say i pulled the plug when i could,At the right time like many on here because after i checked my account today i started with 50 dollars in my campagin and ended up with 5 cents after it all. but happly back up to 25 dollars as my point was before ladies and gentlemen of the warrior forum is that

Stehenjames:Seriously and no bashing intended,just a fair remark, But how did you make money when even the network the creator said it in the videos that there could be problems, is there something the whole forum don't know with admob we missed pehaps

I have tried it today since i downloaded the videos before cancelled the product watched them again could not get even a percentage to convert on a CPA ringtone offer from copec dot com

clickbank i tried 4 different products and 2 were rejected by admob for not being optimized for the iphone, yet lost another 4 dollars also when the rejection happened,

Anyway thats my report, The two words i hate in life is what i did and that was the words i quit!

will post results later if anyone wishes to see.

andy

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Vidar

I've also bought the Cell Phone Cash program, and have a few questions.

Mack says we can use Clickbank (CB) products to profit from this program.
I had the same experiences as some of the other people in this thread, AdMob refused the CB websites, said it has to be optimized!
AdMob doesn't give any information (as far as I could see) on how to or where can you optimize websites for the iPhone.
Does anyone out there how to do optimize websites for iPhones?

I've also tried to promote some CPA offers, where the websites are much smaller, but even some of these are not accepted by AdMob.
So how can I know if a CPA offer is optimized so that AdMob accepts the website?
I see on my own iPhone that when you display a 'big' website on your iPhone it lands as a
...../iPhone/ website.

jempub

You're best bet guys and gals is too stay
FAR AWAY from this thing.

Spend the $50.00 on a good ezine ad and
build your list!

Talk soon,
Gary

"Responsive & Affordable Solo Ads For Sale!"

http://opportunity-advisor.com/soloadbooking.html

wizzie

Look at the developer FAQ section for dimensions and test your site in the simulator.
TestiPhone.com - iPhone Application Web Based Simulator

I've only positive results so far
Don't give up to fast guys - you may see the light in week 2
Yeaa its really crap we have to wait...

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OnlineMarketingSys

What postive results? Are you saying that you have implimented the system and are making $100's or $1,000's a day after putting up your ad? Because, the only ones that I have seen is the seller of this system who claims after he launched his campaign with $50-100 in admob credit, he came back an hour later and saw $1000's of dollars in sales.

Now no one else here can reproduce the same results. Personaly I find this whole discussion entertaining to say the least.

But in the tutorial's he even say's you can "make money in 48 hours" and it's a "fast track guide". So by his own accounts, we should either all ask for what we did wrong or throw in the towel because if we can't get the "fundamentals" down we are doomed.

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jempub

I've also noticed a marked increase in the price per
clicks now...

A few days ago it was .003 - .96cents.

Now it's as high as $3.80 per click...something is
NOT right at all...

Maybe it's just all the poor guys/gals that have
bought the course and have ran so many ads
that the prices have increased.

Anyway... I honestly doubt ANYONE is making
money with this expect Mack M.

Talk soon,
Gary

"Responsive & Affordable Solo Ads For Sale!"

http://opportunity-advisor.com/soloadbooking.html

The 13th Warrior

Thats just stupid.

For $20 or whatever the price, if you claim something can be done by following the course and instructions and it can't be done, epecially by any significant amount of people that are implementing it, thats ________________.

Thats all you have, instructions, for if you knew it yourself, you would not need to purchase.

Promising/ advertising something and not delivering is called a ________.

People don't pay money, even $20 , just to play "detective" or "solve the puzzle" if you are the "smart few" to find the "hidden" clue in information that's ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR that unleashes the "real" money.

That would be ______ , _________ and __________.

If one is not going to spell it out in the information one is charging for, be honest and keep the entire secret to oneself and simply don't sell any part of it.

People dont pay $20 or any amount for CLUES and PUZZLES....very ______ logic and very sound logic for a ____ ____ and/or future ____ ______.

Tried to get my points across....the blanks YOU can fill in, don't want to be accused of bashing, commenting on the logic of the above quote.

The 13 th Warrior

dannynz

hi all

glad I found this thread

i purchased the product a few days ago. followed it, put up two ads had them rejected without any reasons given. Rang Machs support told to contact admob, did so the lady could not help, asked to speak to a more senior manager, no go. thought this is useless, not impressed. no where to go e.g. a forum to hear how others are going.

placed another two ads, one was rejected, another ok for fat loss. so far the ad seems to have stopped, with only 276 impression, 1 click ... and of course no sales.

i also thought it would seem a little crazy that people would buy a CB offer over an iphone, but i wanted to test it out. more then that i wanted to go through all the training and make an evaluation cause like many of u here we are pretty smart people and can pick it up pretty quick - so for me going through a heap of videos is fine. then we can quickly get tests happening.

i am not a mmm club member but I hear it is pretty good stuff, (but my brains tells me, hold on i just got a stack of FREE training/info at the 30 day challenge - over 150 videos, free?), anyway i thought mach seemed a pretty open/honest dude.

going by what I am reading here and results coming in - folks it doesn't look good.

i have emailed support on a few things, one was is there a forum, it would be really interesting to hear from mach the man himself on this - why the crap results mate?

(my brain also ticks over the thought, if I could make $300K so easy why the heck would i go to trouble of making a sales and training system with the hassle of support staff etc and sell the idea on how to do it for $20 odd bucks a month - i would just ramp up my admob budget and go to the beach).

... also be really interesting to get Ed dales feed back on this idea of marketing through to cell phones i.e. iphones. also cause he loves his iphone. I love 30dc ... yes i am one of there 3500 odd facebook fans

d

Sglant

Thanks everyone for all of the feedback regarding the CellPhone Cash system. I had my questions about it, and have had those question answered on this forum. As always, it benefits us all to discuss products on these forums, because it helps us to avoid pitfalls by going blind into any new ventures. Thanks a bunch.

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wizzie

Yes but not $1000s.
I made one test campaign w. only $50, got 2 sales ~$13 in profit.
Its not much but its positive results - I do much better with PPC.

I sure hope the next module deliver more as im not surprised yet with the products lack of information or step-by-step guide as promised. Waiting 7 days for every module is crazy business > not how you get happy customers or honest testimonials... i think.

I just don't think you should give up and get a refund fast - test it the next 2-3 weeks/modules.

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OnlineMarketingSys

Great to hear that at least one other person is making "some" money. It will be interesting to hear your progress, ie. if you continue to make money from this system or if it was a fluke. Consistancy is definatly important in online marketing, and constantly seeing positive results is very important in your campaigns.

Overall, as you mentioned other PPC methods can produce much better roi figures. One of the issues I see with your results, is that there isn't much room for variance. If you had just one less sale, you would have lost money. Personally even though you had positive results, personally I woudln't feel too comfortable putting up capital for such a small roi and with so much risk.

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Simon74

Hello

I have bought the system as well just to try it out, I had the first ad denied and I have placed a second one and waiting to see what happen. For the people that have made money using the system, do you have any kind of proof? are you promoting clickbank products or using CPA?

Nicholas thank for the tip about the iphone browser simulation.

I will let you know if my second ad will be approved!

Simon

l23bc

I wonder if it going to be like this what no one here has mentioned

Say i never joined up,

yet a friend joined today he gets to see the second videos the week after, however lets just say i join next week well if i am right i would have to wait 2 weeks to see the videos because i never signed up the same time as my friend who also would of seen them

so in therory does that mean everyone who signed up now is behind other people in knowing more, because you have to wait 7 days, sorry i am not bashing the product im just thinking ahead,

andy

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folkcare

I won't be buying anymore of these products unless I check back with Warrior ! Thanks for these comments they've been helpful, but a bit late for me unfortunately. I hope they'll reverse back my (mostly) uncommitted funds.

Time For Affiliate Knowhow!

DaveN

I agree with stefanjames, to give Mack Michaels a hand, his training is very well done, he does take the time to do things properly,so follow the videos like stefanjames did

OnlineMarketingSys

Everyone here who has replied is doing exactly what is recommended by Mack Michaels in his videos and in some cases the SAME exact campaign. The problem is that the method just doesn't work nor has anyone commented that they have been given any advice on how to make it work after submitting a question in the support forum.

Thus far only two people have actually had positive results, out of at least 10 people that have lost combined $1000's of advertising. And personally speaking no one was over the top on the roi or earnings potential. To risk $50 of capital to make $12, when you have a very good chance of actually losing $33 or making a profit of $12 isn't good odds.

The bottom line is the videos can look like a block buster film, but if they don't work it doesn't matter. If that doesn't make sense, let me leave you with this illustration. There are people that make videos of UFO's that look 100 percent real, however with a couple special effects a fishing line and some cardboard it's entirely fictional.

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