C A Perez

Ok guys and gals,

Here's my story.

I'm a newbie. Started in May. Went on brain overload with all of the info on IM. I looked for something to give me some direction, some clarity to all the information. I found it at Maverick Money Makers. I was and have been impressed with the sincerity and quality of the tutorials.

I got the email on Cell Phone Cash. Site unseen (other than the sales page) I signed up as an affiliate, wrote an article at EZA, posted it one my websites. My bum marketing budget couldn't afford another $25/mo.

Labor Day weekend, I made my first sale EVER! Where did it come from? Yes, Cell Phone Cash - $20. Yea!! I'm on the road to being an Internet Marketer. I'm elated.

I decide to do more research on this new method, maybe even buy the program so that I can speak from experience. Just for grins, I come to the most trusted forum on the Internet.

I'm devasted. I've read all 150+ posts. I have 6 articles pending at EZA; I'm pulling them. I can not with clear consience promote such blatant misrepresentation.

I will hold off my judgement of the creator's intent until I hear directly from him.
Carlos

jempub

Module 3 was released today and it's full of
more general marketing fluff!

Nothing so far has been taught or shown on
EXACTLY how this guy is making money by
placing ads on cellphones.

Another point... He says "oh if you want to
promote cell phone cash to other cell phone
users you can"...

What??? In the very first module, he says
"do not promote any products with video
on the sales page"...

His sales page is full of videos!

Talk soon,
Gary

OnlineMarketingSys

I took a quick glance over the videos for week three, and what stands out to me over the entire course is the methodology and presentation of the course. Over the last three weeks, the entire methodology reminds me of "using adwords to profit online", he's talking about focusing on keywords, finding words that sell, finding popular products. Now each of these areas is important when actually running adwords campaigns, however in our case WE ARE NOT bidding on keywords, nor necessarily care what's popular in the headlines.

Not to mention as you pointed out Gary and I pointed out in week two, he's constantly giving conflicting advice and opinions. Ie. "should we promote Maverick Money Markers & Cell Phone cash or not" or "is weight loss pills a good vertical or not?".

I'll put this out there, I guarantee that anyone who runs a ad "make $1000 a day working from home", which he illustrates in the week three videos will absolutly without a doubt loose money. Your $50-100 used to fund your account will be gone quicker than you can blink you eye with NO conversions or if your lucky 1.

ayolov

most of the first, more enthusiastic posters (very new warriors, by the way) never came back as the more experienced marketers started trying this system out and expressed their honest opinions, this to me seems very suspicious and a cheap way to manipulate the warrior forum.

I was curious, but I'll wait for another method that has less hype and more proof. Thanks warrior for your reviews, some even lost money on their experiments and were gracious enough to share your experiences with the rest of us.

ed41143

I too want to thank the warriors for posting their enlightening reviews. I put my ad on pause waiting for more videos, but am just considering going for the refund now, as no one from week 2 or 3 has any new or uplifting things to say about the program, just more losses and no profits.

Not a good sign I would say.

Nomad Warrior

guys and gals... I have submitted 22 ads to date. 4 were rejected by admob.
interesting thing was that I duplicated 4 of the ads so that I had doubles and triples and although a few were rejected THEIR DUPLICATES MADE IT THROUGH!.... there is something seriously wrong with admob from the advertiser point of view.

lastly, one of my ads was for an iPhone app and it generated the most clicks (read wasted the most money) checked the stats at Apple and zero sales... ZERO SALES! that ad alone burned through $140

if you guys figure this out - this is the place to help each other and ignore scammers that want $25 per month for something that simply does not deliver after you follow their advice

jempub

Hey there Warriors.

I tried a CPA offer where all the person had to do was enter their
phone number and email address and they paid out $1.25 per lead!

So once again...funded the admob account with $50.00.

Wrote what I thought was an excellent ad that said...

------------------------------
Touch Here to Win $35,000!
------------------------------

Well guess what??

Once again, a TON "clicks" and NO LEAD SALES!

And if you've checked recently with admob, ALL
of their minimum bids have increased by .10 cents
or more!

So... I still have to say after $550.00 in intense
testing, Cell Phone Cash is a DUD.

Talk soon,
Gary

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bd1292

I have to agree with Gary and many other unfortunate money losers. This is a total DUD....I placed 15 ads, 5 of which were rejected. Of the 10 remaining, I had over 100,000 impressions and over 2,000 clicks on not one single sale!

dannynz

Hi Bd1292

Sorry to hear you also had not success. May I ask what were you actually trying to sell them? Was this just for iphone users? What was the CB product and landing page?

I am about to post some of my results, just waiting for the clicks to hit a good enough number, but I am using an optimized webpage I created with an optin form.

Danny

dannynz

Hi All

My ads are now running, I am watching them carefully.
Ads are for Iphones and only targeting US and Canada.

My Iphone ads are marketing cash for survey program,
from the Highprofits affiliate network.

Once the Admob advert is clicked the site that shows
on the phone is fully optimized - which I created to
make sure of this ...

It is not perfect or mobile site language just html.

On the branded page I only ask for their email. This
triggers the branded email with the links to the offer
- to their in-box.

I am going to give u the url to a copy of the original
page as I don't want people submitting on the my test
page and stuffing up the stats.

http://www.teamrev.wb.gs/copy_cell.html

You can submit on that page and receive the email if
you want and or grab the URL and try it on any phone.

This is early days but I thought this might be helpful
for others, here are some results -

Iphone adverts -
Touch: Get Paid For Your Opinion

Impressions - 26,914
Clicks - 92
CTR - 0.34%
Cost - $4.60

No optin results

I paused the next ad that was running alongside the
other because it was only achieving approx. half the
results as the other ... but below are the stats
after I paused it.

Iphone advert -
Earn $3579 A Month email required

Impressions - 10,770
Clicks - 12
CTR - 0.11%
Cost - $0.60

No optin results

I know this is early days on this test - I am interested
in feed back .... but once it hits $10 in costs and we don't
have any success i.e. at least one person entering their
email I might pull the plug. I am sure we can get better
results using PPC for the price.

The clicks are showing up on the stats for the actual
page in my web marketing software, with the average
view time at 1m 20s - it was at around 10s

If someone as an Iphone please test filling in the form,
below is the link to the page again (then let me know
you submitted via an Iphone by PMing me here).

http://www.teamrev.wb.gs/copy_cell.html

I have tested it on Iphone optimizers and it fits etc
but not actually on an Iphone, only my standard phone.

... ok now if this little test is not going to work, then frankly
I doubt Mach is giving us the truth here or something is just
not right - what do you think?

My next test was going to be creating a mobile website
in the correct format/code made for all devises not just
the Iphone.

My third test was again to be a mobile website, but
with a third party instant click and pay function where by
they send me the money to my bank. The mobile user
can click, pay securely pretty quickly and have it billed to
their mobile account. (I am sure Mach will get to teaching
this?)

Note: I was up late this morning to 3am and noticed Admob
was still firing out the ads. I paused it until the morning.
My thinking was surely they are not going to be effective late
at night, I am targeting US and Canada people - awake not
sleeping. Maybe if you are targeting a specific country you
pause your ads over night - just a thought?

Danny

PS. Here is a Iphone test site
http://www.testiphone.com

Try looking at my little test site url on the Iphone test site
http://www.teamrev.wb.gs/copy_cell.html

bd1292

dannynz,

I attempted all sorts of products from CB, to LinkShare and Plimus. I only ran iPhone ads and with all those impressions and clicks, never got one sale. I find this very hard to believe that not even one person didn't order something. They were very targeted just as Mr. Mack told us to do. I even tried iPhone specific apps much like your testiphone link, all with no results. It still puzzles me to this day.

Like I have mentioned in other comments, I love the concept but must be doing something entirely wrong. Please keep me informed on your progress. Thanks for all the detailed information.

Brandon

Weblomaniac

Thanks to everybody who has been posting their experiences here. DannyNZ, awesome post, it will be very enlightenting to see how it converts as you have gone to the trouble of ensuring that your iPhone page is targetted to the device and the action you require users to undertake is simple.

Like many, I bought CellPhone cash and have watched all the videos and am questioning the methods being taught and the frequent contradictions in the teachings, and yes.. I too managed to burn through $50 on Admob very quickly with no sales. Unlike most in the forum though, I have a bit of experience in mobile site development (it's the IM bit I need help with :-)

Mobile is indeed a huge market and there is big money to be made in it but I haven't seen anything in the first 3 weeks worth of lessons that i believe can get anywhere near the returns suggested. Indeed many of the posters in this thread have already pointed out some potentially fundamental flaws. However, there are a few other points that I haven't seen mentioned that I would like to share.

1) Mack quite correctly highlights the importance of targeted marketing, and you might think your Admob campaigns are targetted becuase you chose to serve Ads only to iPhones in a specific country. The problem is the way your Ads are served. Admob isn't like PPC. On google you pay for clicks when a user hits your ad after searching for a term that you have specified. Admob just blasts there ads out, they aren't targeted to keywords like conventional PPC. So somebody interested in fast cars could be looking at flower arranging ads!

2) So where do Admob ads appear? Well one of the big areas they get impressions from is by burying ads in iPhone downloads. iPhone publishers use Admob to generate revenue by by putting ads in their apps. So look at the iPhone user, he has a choice of downloading something from the AppStore for $1.99 or getting it for free if he can put up with the ads. That user is busy playing a game or something when your ad pops up. The ad wasn't targeted to that users' current behaviour (or a PPC search) , the user is already engrossed in something else. And.. because the user chose the FREE Ad supported download it could be argued that he is less likely to make a purchase anyway.

3) A lot of traditional IM keyword / competitive research tools are shown in the training and I'm sure what is shown has some relevence, but I couldn't help thinking that using Internet tools to measure Internet user behaviour, products intended for consumption on a PC and advertising designed for PC based browsing is missing a trick. Surely you should be looking at trends in the mobile industry and what people are known to be buying on mobile. That's what I would call targetting. I would have thought the Apple iStore and other mobile specific sources would yield more relevant trending info than eBay or Google.

A final point... One of the posters earlier in the thread made reference to a blog post that questioned the accuracy of Admob stats and discrepencies between Admob Clicks and those seen on the product owners site. This is to be expected on mobile as it is a quite different world to PC. There are numerous explanations for this including:

a) If the blog poster wasn't specifically targetting iPhones he would have been getting traffic from all sorts of phones, many of which won't support javascript and that is required for Google Analytics. Thereofre discrepencies between Admob stats and Google Analytics (or any other javascript based) tracking at the final destination would definitely show differences.

b) In the PC web development world we thought we had problems with 3-4 browsers to support and a few versions of each browser to contend with. Well how many mobile manufaturers are there and how many handset models do you think are out there? Yes there is some standardisation but handsets are designed/built/sold updated on such a fast turnaround they frequently go to market with bugs in them that don't get fixed. There are quite a few Nokia phones currently on sale that have a beauty of a bug in the browser that results in them throwing an error if you try and do an 302 header redirect on them, thus preventing you reaching your target. That may be too techie for many on here but believe me it's major, it shouldn't happen and it wouldn't happen on a PC browser. But mobile is very different. The mobile sites I build record the device and browser type and display a version of the content relevant to that phone, sometimes there are as many as 4 templates in action to ensure the user gets an experience as good as possible for their phone. My device database currently has about 2,500 different devices in it.

c) Many network operators / carriers use funky proxies, content transcoders and caching servers on their networks to reduce bandwidth and get your page to you quicker. Some will even completely reformat the page against your will. Even supposing a Clickbank sales page designed for the PC looks like it will be OK on a phone there is no guarantee it will display properly or work properly on a phone. And the results are likely to be different from one carrier to another. So again, no guarentee that your Admob click will result in a click or sale getting recorded at the final destination.

So my conclusions to date.

Well done Mack, great sales page, targeted at the IM market for a niche that is currently super hot, you must be selling tons. The product is well presented the videos are well produced and there is some good general IM information in there. However, I think some of it may be flawed when it comes to mobile and I think to achieve even a fraction of the earnings suggested you probably need to create offers that are much more tightly targeted to your demographic and designed specifically for the devices they are using.

Don't get me wrong, I truly believe there is gold in them there mobile hills, but like others on this thread I am becoming increasingly sceptical of this product. Meanwhile I am going to be doing more of my own digging and head scratching and will share what findings I can.

Great thread, look forward to also seeing what results some of the others who are trying to crack this market can figure out, thanks for sharing yor findings so far.

Apologies if this thread has got a bit long and is full of errors, I should have gone to bed two hours ago!

dannynz

Great info guys,

Thanks Weblomaniac, good post. I have now spent hours studying the whole market, technologies, companies involved etc. I think the answer is in mobile websites, and more targeted like you say. I have learned more this way then from Mach's slow moving course. If I can get the results I am sure I can create a more no bull course - short blueprint.

I don't get Mach creating a so called coaching product like this which just doesn't seem to deliver, even when you follow it step by step. He makes it sound so easy ... we know that is not the case, even when you create an optimized little web page for the Iphone like I did.

Tempted to call Machs support and TRY to have a coaching conversation and discuss our results mentioning this forum thread. As anyone else attempted this?

... after machs second week of training he talks about using video from an action, has anyone had a go at this yet?

New results - I now have two people optin in and email sent (auto), first one was in around 110 clicks, the second one not long after ... at this rate 1 out of 100 they are going to be expensive leads. overall not that impressed. It is just too hard to really target.

Danny

jempub

Hello Warriors.

All of these posts by the people who have ACTUALLY
tested this product like me (over $700.00 in admob)
have proven one thing and one thing only and it boils
down to this...

"This product is NOT as it is described. The advertising
is UN-targeted at best".

That's it. No long post needed. No speculation. Just
proven and tested over and over again.

The ONLY way Mack is making money is by selling the
actual cell phone course.

Talk soon,
Gary

eiilers

Hey Guys,

Just spent an hour going through reading all of these posts. Thanks for saving me $25/month. I do not do affiliate marketing, but rather create my own custom products (software & info products mostly). I think that their definitely is some sort of potential in using cell phones to market products (even affiliate products) just Mack didn't have it figured out. And I feel very bad for all of the users on here who wasted their money on a system that clearly doesn't work.

I think the ad method is all wrong, and using text messages as means to market would be much better. At the least, you can target your users (on location, and probably some demographics, such as age) and you can atleast send them your ad, and then a website URL (wouldn't be good for affiliate links but good for shorter URL's if you're doing your own products). Then get them to hop online to see your sales page (so videos and optimizing for mobile devices is not neccessary) and finish the sale that way.

OR

Another way of doing it, is to do it the way the large ringtone & game companies do it. This would NOT work for affiliate products and would have to be for your own products. You could send out a text message add campaign with your ad text, and then the call to action could be "Text 12345 to order now" and then you could figure out some way have it tacked onto the person's cell phone bill - no credit card required and then they would get text messaged back a download link, or something similar. I know the large ringtone companies have mastered this, so there has got to be some adnetwork that will allow you to do this, and takes care of the sales processing, etc.

I am going to start doing some testing using different ad networks from a text message standpoint. I think there is more potential doing it that way. I know the SPAM laws apply, but there has got to be some decent opt-in list providers.

I will keep you posted.

Steve

C A Perez

Yes, I have contacted them. Before I go there, let me say:

I chose not to jump into this fray on three counts. 1) I have learned much from Mack's MMM course and know that he helped me get started; 2) I signed up as a Cell Phone Cash affiliate; 3) not wanting to fork out another $25/mo, I didn't buy the product. So, I have no first hand experience with the product as most of you do.

I chose to promote this product based on my 25+ year gut telecommunication experience. It oozes potential. After following this discussion, I have managed to put six of my eight articles on hold waiting for better results.

But, since you asked here is a partial quote of the response I received from their support:

"... I can assure you that Mack is not going to release a product that doesn't absolutely deliver what it says it will. Of course, everyone is going to have different results. There are many variables involved ...

As for your results, you will know if an offer is going to work within the first 500 clicks, if you haven’t gotten a conversion by then it’s time to move to a new offer.
You just need to try out a small amount of traffic with a few different offers to see which one converts best for you. And, remember that you can look outside of Clickbank also. CPA Networks have a lot of great offers, try ROI Rocket..."

I don't know if this helps any, but I thought I should share.

The 13th Warrior

Looks like 12 members of the jury reached a verdict.

dannynz

HI Carlos

Thanks for the info.

Isn't this interesting, I don't recall Mach in the coaching videos mentioning that we need to test like this, look at the first 500 clicks? There is no instruction i.e. coaching.

I do recall the first week of videos telling us to create an Admob account, pick a CB product, create the Admob ad and make money. There was very little about making sure the CB website is optimized for an iphone user.

I would have liked to see Mach on video complete the whole process from scratch and show us in a video with screen shots. Then show the results etc over a few days. Before creating the training videos I expect it took him weeks to achieve results and after spending many thousands of dollars which he can afford to do on testing ads, product combination etc.

I don't think he wants to reveal his successful set-ups, and leaves it to us to stuff up and spend cash on testing to find the right combination. Don't recall this being mentioned on the sales page. i.e. you will need around $500 to 1000 USD to really test and find success?

As anyone else had their account with ROI Rocket approved? I am still waiting a week later.

New results:

Impressions - 58764
Clicks - 164 clicks
Email optins- 4
Cost - $8.20
Sales - nil

... so I will know by 500 clicks

Danny

tjk1058

I throw in the towel... just requested a refund last night. The results just don't look promising. If anything was mis-represented from a sales page this was by how easy he made it look.

What makes me mad about this one was that it really looked feasible at first... no BS meters went off in my head as it was plausible that this was untapped territory and was easy picking.

Maybe it was but then the originator found out it wasn't converting anymore and then decided to sell the method that doesn't work anymore?


TedK

desihoon

Hi,
I am happy that you made some money. I also bought the coaching course earlier this week. The videos were well presented. I was all fired up to try the strategy and make some money. Unfortunately, it did not work for me. I placed couple of ads and ran them for 2 days. I received around 50,000 impressions and 180 clicks but did not get a single sale. Pretty disappointing.

jempub

Has ANYONE had any REAL success with this?

If so... Show REAL proof.

Talk soon,
Gary

dannynz

Hi Gary

There are a number of people/posts on this thread on results - sadly no one has really been able to make it work successfully. I am not giving up, I continue to test and do extensive research.

To date from my tests making paid survey products via my own optimized iphone webpage - I have had only 5 opt-in emails from approx 70,000 impressions, 211 clicks costing $10.65. Opt-ins are sent an email with links to the main product page = no sales. I think it would work but the level of sales in relation to costs would make it a negative. Now Mach would say I am sure - try a different product.

... which is what I am doing, I now have two more pending ads for the iphone, created my own sites with the banner from the CB product, if clicked it goes to the sales page from the CB vendor.

The first one requires a credit card, second one only requires a name and email, then a credit card but at least opt-in and then emails/web to make the sales. I will have more info up soon once they are approved and working ... I watch them very carefully and pause them at night because I am only targeting the US market. I am looking at the results after 500 clicks to determine if it is a goer.

Advert for both = Touch > Get Paid for Game Testing
I created my own green/yellow iphone button and uploaded
Targeting only the USA

Links to the mini iphone sites are -

WG test for games 01

WG test for games 02

The second has a better sales page etc for the iphone users

You can test these sites and the pages after clicked (by turning the the page landscape on the iphone) on a iphone simulator -

TestiPhone.com - iPhone Application Web Based Simulator

Currently I am going through Machs week 3 videos, frankly nothing that great or new - pretty basic. I am sure he could give us all we need in one to two longer videos and be done with it.

Cheers
Danny

... ps. ads are now approved, that only took 30 mins

Wilter Quesada

I used Admob and I feel like if I just gave my $50.00 to a homeless guy that turn around and bought beer for a day, don't recommended you will loose your 50.00

Reader

I also bought this program. These ads are targeted for 16 to 24 year olds according to Mack's phone support people. Some of these "kids" are sophisticated, jaded and suspicious regarding ads and do not have credit cards. They are not that quick to purchase a Clickbank product or divulge information for cpa offers.

I didn't believe it when one of the phone support persons told me people make money after every 50 clicks. It may have been that way when it first started, but no more as I have been reading these posts. So I paused my campaign yesterday. I don't want to spend any more money on this in Admob if I don't get at least one sale.

The training is good, but a little repetitive. Probably will unsubscribe soon as I can't afford to lose any more money.

angelus_1984

I have bought the program and would NOT recommend it to anyone. And I, like a lot of people in here, have not made a single dime from iphone ads.

Although the videos are produced in high quality there is not much content. The first few videos of the 1st module are about 5 minutes long and summarize the usual find a niche, do your research and write ads. The other case study videos are a bit longer but basically repeat the content of the first videos using some examples. Then the final video promising to make money within 48 hours tells you the method.

Let's assume I am the worst copywriter in the history of mankind and furthermore assume the low CTR and CR is all my fault. BUT the massive exposure as promised by Mike is out of my control and not related to my adcopy. To cut a long story short I had about 30,000 impressions within 7 days, which is ridiculous considering the fact that Mike promises hundred of thousand even millions of people seeing your ads within a few hours.

Next... Mike says you can't directly advertise his money maverick system due to the fact that includes videos, which are not compatible to iphone. He recommends to create a doorway page. However if someone would click on the link of the doorway page there would still be the same problem. I submited a support ticket to ask for a solution to this problem and did not receive an answer to this very day. So either the "great" support service does not exist or does not care.

Last but not least the advertising network seems to have a lousy customer service as well. I tried to reach them via phone at different time and just got the mailbox. I wrote an e-mail but nobody answered. So if anyone knows how to close your account and get your remaining account balance back let me know.

All in all it is much ado about nothing. I got my refund and a quite expensive as well as time consuming lecture.

kbs

I think what you just learned was that article marketing is a good place to start out. You've already made 1 sale from it so just "rinse and repeat" w/a different product.

manddd

So true,
I had the same experience/ impression as you.

Martha

techguy09

Thanks for all the great posts guys..I was on the CPC squeeze page and getting ready to sign up for this. Then I decided to do some research on this since this is a new niche. Now I know i'm not going to sign up for this.

I came across an article about how you can become an affiliate with a company that sells coupon advertising to businesses. I signed up for the opt-in information but I haven't received anything on it yet and that has been over 2 weeks ago.

Does anyone out there know of any affiliate programs out there for "Coupon Advertising on Cell Phones"? Sounds like a great niche to get into.

If anyone knows about this you can send me a private message or just reply to this post.

niac7

I just want to first say that this forum has been EXCELLENT.

It is apparent that the ones that have truly tested this system have provided stats and proof to back their posts. They have also tried many different angles to make this work.

The guys that claim that it works or that it should work seem to provide no detailed info on their alleged success, unfortunately.

One of the main failures seems to be the fact that you are not given all the info. So, you work with what you're given and it fails. Then next week he says, "Oh, you shouldn't market that product." So, you try again and the following week tells you, "Oh yeh, you should use a YouTube video and your own web page, etc."

So, each time, you are given something new and more complex, but the previous vids make you feel as though you can make money before implementing this other stuff.

Anyway, I've found a way that this can be monetized...and I came up with it just judging from your posts and my experience in another market.

Unfortunately, I have to run, but I will post it later. It's something that you should be able to use elsewhere. It is also already proven in one medium and can easily be adapted to mobile.

I give it to Mack though, he is an awesome marketer/copywriter. And, at the very least, he as open our eyes to a niche marketing area, although his method of exploiting it is a bit flawed.

I'll post later with how this mobile market can truly be monetized and it won't cost you a dime. (You guys have already spent enough.)

Thanks again for all your great posts.

krishnaGopal

I tried it out for a while and my profits were -$162 ! I made a loss and stopped it there before the numbers started expanding. I got a refund.

niac7

OK...I'm home now.

Here we go. (This may be a little lenghty, but definitely worth it.)

I put a lot of thought into how to relay this. Also, I came up with what I think is an even more potent way to exploit this market, but I would like to test first before posting. (It exploits the "impressions" instead of the clicks for a much better response. Dannynz, I may need your assistance on the other idea.)

Anyway,

Based on the testing that I have seen so far, there is a HUGE money-making opportunity being totally missed. I admit that I missed it for a long time until I swiped a program called Free Google AdWords. I'm not selling that program, but the concept is sound and I am doing something similar offline.

Anyway, I see where the same concept can be applied to information already provided on cell phone marketing.

There's an old story about the goldrush and how the only people that struck it really rich were the people selling picks and shovels to all the hungry gold seekers.

Well, it appears that IM and now this new cell phone market are the California gold mines of old.

And, everyone here is a "hungry gold seeker", but only a few find gold and even fewer find enough to get rich.

On the other end, the ones selling the tools to the gold seekers are more likely to strike it rich.

So, let's become the tool sellers....

Now, what is the MOST important tool necessary for any business of any kind, online or offline.

EXPOSURE...

Without exposure, no one will know about your product or service, no matter how good it is, no matter how great your sales letter is, it doesn't matter. If no one sees it, then the rest is useless.

So sell Exposure. You pay for it to Google, you pay for it to AdMob and many other places. Now, you should get paid for it.

How, may be your next question...

Well, the ones that have done tests and posted their results seem to report quite a few clicks generated from their AdMob runs. This is the start, but it is only the start.

What needs to be done next is a splash page definitely needs to be made. If you are doing it for iPhone, of course you will need to optimize it.

Now, the most important part. You sell of ad space to related businesses on your splash page!!! There are companies that automate this for traditional sites, but I am not sure if it can be automated for mobile sites yet. Check companies like AdBrite to be sure.

Anyway, now that you have sold off Space on your Splash Page, your costs are covered and possibly a little profit depending on how many slots you decide to sell and at what price.

So, let's see it in action based on the numbers previously provided by others. It appears that $50 can get you 1000 clicks at $0.05 per click, so...

$50 = 1000 clicks

Let's do 7 days for an example...

$350 = 7000 clicks per week

You sell 8 slots (you could sell more or less)

$350/8 = $43.75 (Amount you must sell slots for to break even)

But we want a little profit so we price it at $47

$47 x 8 slots = $376

$376 - $350 = $26 profit

So now, realize a $26 profit before we even start running the ad and regardless of whether anyone buys our main product or not.

To find people wanting to buy ad space, check out sites like adbrite and there are a few others. They have tons of people buying and selling traditional website traffic, and I'm sure many of them will jump at this new niche market.

Someone, please test this out. It is totally free and I hope you are well rewarded for your efforts.

Thanks and let me know your results.

I will be doing my own testing of an improved method (I think) and will let you know the results. We can be the first in on this market if we do it right.

k_yemi33

pls i dont understand what u are talking about can u throw more ligh.
thanks

dannynz

yes I agree Roger, I am assuming you are referring to my make money from gaming tests, I am not targeting young people. I am 39 and still into gaming, the guy on all the affiliate branding is it seems in his late 20s or 30s.

Admob are not giving me enough impressions to see any results i.e. clicks. so I have paused it at the moment.

I am now using this email opt-in page after the graphic is clicked:

first - WG test for games 03
second - WG test for games 03 opt-in
If someone opts-in it sends them an email with affiliate links etc

I have not tested this yet, might soon. At the moment I am testing different/simple opt-in offers, very little needed from the prospect, so far the results are not that great.

Correct me if I am wrong but I assume you saying from watching a video on the Iphone with a branded url they are going to write it down and then go to your site on a computer later on? I wouldn't, I don't see this being that effective - give it ago Roger and let us know.

... I don't know if Admob would be ok with this, if video is not allowed on the main sales pages as Mach told us in the training. You can use mobile website formatted services and upload the video to their server and it is action-ed from a request on the screen. After the video you can then have an offer button to buy something etc without using a credit card ... billed to an account.

Roger you suggest:
--> more general headline to get the click
--> followed by a Video on Youtube that can Arouse and Interest
--> into a branded website ... cost $10 then forward it to your affiliate site

Are you saying from watching the video on say an iphone, they click on the video after-wards to go to the affiliate website on the iphone? Or they watch the video and write down the URL?

Can you explain this a bit more please.

I listen to Machs training on this in week 2, and I just thought it sounded stupid. I prefer to do this:

1. Click advert
2. Opt-in offer/form to get to watch the video
3. After form is filled in the video appears to introduce them - end
4. Follow up emails are sent to their inbox with affiliate links.

regards
Danny

PS. I have improved the opt-in form for my Paid Survey offer page after clicking on the advert (Week 3 Mach uses paid survey as an example and suggests it is a good product - I am not seeing great results just for an opt-in).

see: WG test for cell ... only 6 opt-ins from 278 clicks, 84265 impressions.

My only thought now is to try to get a better advert happening to get the clicks up. I have tried 4 different combinations now I think it is.

niac7

Sorry about that...Some times I think I am explaining clearly, but it only seems clear to me since I've been studying a similar method for a while.

Let's see......

Say, you are ready to try this out.

First, you go into a site like AdBrite and post that you are selling 8 advertising slots on your webpage that is getting 7000 hits/week.

You are selling the ad space at $47/week.

Soon, you get 8 advertisers that are interested in buying these slots.

Next, you create a splash page with your main offer in the middle that may ask for an email to proceed or something. (The offer and what you choose to use on your splash page are up to you.)

In addition to your main offer, you arrange the advertiser's ads to the side of your offer. (I'm sure you've seen blogs or articles where the main stuff is in the middle and advertisers on the sides...same thing.)

Now, you have your page set up and your advertisers have paid you for the privilege of allowing your potential customers to also see their ad.

So, you are ready to drive traffic to that splash page.

The advertisers have grossed you $376 from the sale of your 8 ad slots at $47 each.

You deposit $350 at an ad network like AdMob or whomever you choose and bid $0.05 per click, budgeted at $50 per day.

Now, you are basically buying 7000 clicks this week which satisfies your deal with the advertisers and you are up $26 so far.

If any of your clicks translate into sales, great, however, we see this is rare. But, even if they don't, you have made $26.

Once you have done this, you can scale it up to the level that youu need in order to make the type of money you want.

This is my attempt to turn "lemons into lemonade" so to speak.

Hopefully the little walkthrough cleared up some things.

Again, it would be great if someone would test this, especially those that are already testing.

I will let you know the results of my other method which I think is far superior to this, but only proper testing will be sure.

Thanks again guys. I don't know if I would've had this breakthrough idea without reading the posts here.

tonio79

Hi guys and gals

Thought i would update on my results to let you know how i got on. I'll keep it brief.

Total Impressions: Total Clicks: Average CTR: Average CPC: Total Cost: 385,213 981 0.25% $0.05 $49.05
And most importantly....

Sales / Income = $4.50

I was using a CPA offer that was optimised to use with the iphone and all the user had to do was put in their email address and i would get $1.50 per time.

3 leads out of almost 1000 click through....not the best conversion rate i can tell you.

Not a bad way to build a list though....if you are the one offering the $1.50 a lead that is.

Breakdown of thought:
100 leads for $150. Then you could email them an offer....3% conversion where you can earn $50 each sale and you have paid for your list building operation.

You can then continue to market to them over and over for FREE.

Multiply this by 10 to get a $1500 dollar a month income??
Multiply by 20 to get a $3000 dollar a month income??

I guess its all just a numbers game in terms of what you want to earn and responsivenss of the list....but when you have a list.....its free to send that email anyway!!


Out of interest does anyone have any results of how much it cost them to build a list of 100 names using for example Google adwords or social media spend??

Is $1.50 per name excessive??

If not then why not put your own CPA offer up and build a list??

Anyway...i said i would keep it brief and quite dlearly i haven't....apologies.

Tony

tonio79

Apologies about the formatting of the figures above...i just cut and paste from Admob and it clearly came out wrong...heres a better formatted version.

Impressions:385,213
Total Clicks: 981
Average CTR: 0.25%
Average CPC: $0.05
Total Cost: $49.05

Sales: $4.50

Tony

niac7

I'm working on a project that I believe could convert many those IMPRESSIONS into leads or build a list from them.

bobmcalister

you guys are right on . the sales letter says he is making a ton ...not by using the program but by selling it to others.

great heads up ..hope this saved some folks their moolah


btw ...this can be used successfully
the site has to be optimized for mobile,,, if you are sending a link to the site...which is what usually happens.
the cpa deals may work , but USING IT FOR MOBILE MARKETING is more effective. take that for what it is worth ..free advice.

wizzie

Hi again guys,

You know i made a test campaign in week 1 and earned about $13.
And now i just lost $50 on the second campaign.

Yes it was iPhone related and optimized campaigns.

Its very hard to believe the product creator earned what the salesletter show us with this system.

The videos are damn boring and very basic IM stuff - i've learned absolutely nothing from this materials first 3 weeks.
> No samples whatsoever
> No plan to follow
> No step-by-step
> No live samples to prove the power of admob

And its really a waste of my time to continue this.
I also feel sorry for the affiliate sales i made on my list.

Wow talk about Ninja tactics... NOT
hehe ya the speaker really say that in week 2

Let me honest tell you what i think about this product "LOL"

Best of luck to you

James Pateman

This looks like another shinny new opportunity.
I've go my hands full with other online adventures, so I think I'll wait until the bugs are ironed out. Although, the potential is huge.

James Pateman

niac7

You something that is really strange....His Videos seem to promote the idea of marketing to iPhone users, but his Sales Letter says something completely different.

Here is a direct quote:

What blows my mind is that any make-money program on the internet today that talks about making money with Cell Phones, talk about only the iPhone.

Did you know that the Apple iPhone only has an 11% Market Share in the Cell Phone Industry as of Q1 2009? What about the other 89% of the people?

This is exactly one of the discoveries I have made, which will allow you to tap into many different angles with Cell Phones that others simply can't even imagine.

For example, take a look at this chart I put together based off of all of the Q1 information that was made public about the Cell Phone industry below.

You'll notice I broke out the Nokia segment, to illustrate how BIG of a market there is to make money from, that completely trumps the iPhone!


Wow, but the first few weeks are about marketing to iPhone users. Why not show how to market to the huge Nokia market as described.

Maybe he covers it much later, but it is probably too late at that point, since most people will have tried and mostly failed based on the method given and won't stick around for the rest.

Oh well, I'm still preparing and testing another strategy for this that I hope to share with you soon based on its results.

jempub

Hey Warriors.

Well... Week 4 videos are up and guess what??

EVERYTHING this guy teaches in week 1 is now
completely WRONG!

YEP... That's what he basically says in week 4.

UNBELIEVABLE!

Talk soon,
Gary

dannynz

Hi jempub/Gary

My first reaction when I read your post was - oh you have got to be kidding ... along with shaking my head in disbelief How does he get away with running this circus?

Ok Gary can you give us all a short overview/points on what is covered in week 4? I get access on Thursday, not sure I can wait that long.

Week 3 was so fluffed up with basic stuff I was bored to tears. He goes on about researching a market etc etc when we all know there is a limit to what you can successfully offer. The logic in my mind is - if the make money products like I have tested - paid surveys etc are not going to yield a result I doubt others would - no matter how much research and making great headlines etc you do.

... we NEVER see any real live examples.

To date none of my carefully crafted test projects have made money - all losses. All ads are paused until I get one more test up. I am tempted to call Machs so called coaching support team to have them to go over what I created/tested to see what they have to say.

... so Gary mate can we get an overview of week 4?

Danny

jempub

Hi Danny.

Well... Let's just say that when we were taught in Week 1
to find a product, create an ad and get the affiliate link?

Week 4 says that people who do this LOSE MONEY!

Yeah... We know...LOL

Now we're told to NOT direct link to an affiliate page
at all!

Basically... we're now told of 3 BIG WAYS to advertise
correctly and the way we were told in week one IS NOT
the way to go or you'll lose a TON of money...

Geesh... This is a freakin' joke.

Talk soon,
Gary

dannynz

Hi Gary,

Without dealing with the ethics of having us all - pay to learn how to loss money marketing on Cell phones over the past 3 weeks ... shaking my head again in disbelief ...

Does week 4 cover these "3 Big ways" or do we have to wait for week 5?

He was meant to be teaching us how to set up - taking direct calls from people clicking on ads.

Danny

jempub

All "methods" are covered in week 4.

Not that they're mind blowing...

Same simple stuff told in a BIG CIRCLE!

Talk soon,
Gary

niac7

Wow....That is totally unbelievable.

How could a course teach one method one week and then the following weeks explain that those methods explained previously do not work.

Wow...Just Wow..man

Stephen Liew

wow. that's not a good news. Will he reveal in week 7 that all the methods for the past 6 weeks are completely wrong and the money making techniques is only in week 7 ?

jempub

It doesn't look too promising.

the stuff he's "teaching" in lesson 4 is basically what
I was doing over 10 years ago placing ads in newspapers
and magazines...

Small ad... Voice mail...(script)... Presell... Sell...

Now believe me... This technique WORKS!

Before I switched over to the internet, I had 417
ads running in different papers and was bringing in
a very steady six figure per year income.

What this guy teaches in week 4 is VERY VERY similar
to what I just described. The only difference is he adds
the use of video!

Really nothing new or revolutionary.

Talk soon,
Gary

Petrovski

I'll consider myself lucky that I didn't buy this rubbish.
According to the advertising each of these modules costs between $364 and $540 with the final one costing $673. To buy each one of these individually and then be told that they don't work is extremely strange.