dannynz

HI Ishansoni

I totally agree with you. I had a negative experience today trying to talk to a lady at Macks Support, she had no idea whatsoever, even was telling me all I had to do was send people to a Clickbank page. I have asked to talk to Mack directly to get his reply on the issues discussed here.

I hope the new FTC rules for IM will help get false or misleading sales pages with hyped testimonies etc offline. Today I searched for Cell Phone Cash on Google and checked over 10 plus site reviews, no one really had used the product themselves i.e. coaching steps offered by Macks course they were meant to be reviewing - it makes me sick.

The new FTC rules might help with these false review sites. It makes a bad Google experience when you are searching/researching and have 20 plus false (affiliates selling you the product they have never used) review sites.

I am working hard to make my OWN Cell phone marketing work that is not related to Macks training as such, and then make this available - maybe free, or by donation. Most of the basic stuff you need is at Admob itself.

Danny

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PrettyJenny

Ok I got curious and bought the whole system. The information is pretty much repeating from week to week and now when the 7th week was uncovered for me, I was a bit disappointed. Even though I have to admit this is a very new concept and very potential, it will not work at least for newbies.

To get it work you need a lot of offer and keyword searching. And for Mack to say "make money in the next 48 hours" in the first video is totally destructive for the learners as they will definitely lose money. I wouldn't recommend anyone to start any campaign until they finish the 4th module. And 4 first modules are the only ones needed actually, the rest is supplementary.

Here is one long review of Cell Phone Cash Affiliate link removed by moderator, you can find all the training modules here, from 1 to 7. I would say paying $50 for 7 modules is too much, I would be much happier if the whole course is $24.97, not per month.

Cynthia A.

Jenny,

2 people (1 being Danny above) brought up honest reviews by people who have USED a product. You point to a long review of this system & I assumed you were telling people to go to an HONEST review by an actual user of it. It seems the reviewer is an affiliate. This is YOUR site, right Jen? You say on the site:

QUOTE: Maverick Coaching’s Cell Phone Cash overall is a useful course and a new and innovative marketing method. It’s definitely not a scam.

What about the fact that no one has been able to get it to work, or the people who claim they have haven't produced any proof? Did you test this for yourself - instead of just watching the videos? And if so, what were your results? I'm sure readers here would love to know.

You said here...

Post edited Good to see you making other Warriors respect the rules but you equally have to respect the rules - words such as 'scam' have no place here, unless you can prove it in a court of law.


Surya,
30 one liners no longer buys you entrance into posting WSO's. You have to be a PAYING Warrior now. I see from your sig that you too are a promoter of all things "Mack." Good luck!

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PrettyJenny

Gosh!!! Have you actually seen the video training before judging? Yes that is my review, my site, and what's wrong if I'm telling people about what's in that system? People have to wait 7 weeks to get to see everything, I told them what to expect in every module so they don't die over curiosity. And yes I tested the system after watching the first week and lost money, and that's what I said also in my review.

But in video 4 onwards I got a better idea what may work, haven't tested after that but I saw it with some potential.
Every review has personal insights in it, so is mine. I respected the information everyone puts out here, and just want to add some perspective and content. What's wrong with that?

I have the tendency to take words from senior warriors serious. But now I'm disappointed. You can call my review site affiliate or whatever, nowadays who sets up a site and not throwing in some adsense, banners and affiliate links? But that doesn't affect the perspective I want to express and the tips or valuable insights I want to give.

Anyway, I will end my discussion in this review thread by concluding that this Cell Phone Cash thing to combine with Clickbank products or CPA offers sucks. However you can use this information for offline advertising, for example local business advertising or something dealing with physical consumer products to gain popularity and brand awareness.

Good luck!

Wuuki

Hi Danny,

Same experience here. So far I have sent in 9 tickets, none of them got answered.
I have called the support desk 6 times, 5 times the lady didn't have a clue and once she told me that her manager will call and e-mail me. No need to say, nobody mailed or called me.

This is what I am doing as well. We might stick our heads together once we have found a proven concept that really works. One thing is for sure: The one who is finding the secret code to make this success, can make this one huge!

So far I have spent $500 testing in direct linking to 5 CPA offer. One offer, an zip submit, had some sort of success, earning $72 on $50 budget, the rest was lost in space. I started getting better CTR and conversion once I added "Touch Here" and put my own 38x38 of the gift card. I am continuing to test in order to see if it was a lucky shot.

Now I am in the process of producing some youtube videos, will share more facts asap.

Overall, this course does not live up to the sales page. If I wanted to be cynical, I would say the course will help to destroy new competition since a newbie starting out with this course might want to stop working in the IM industry forever; just my black humor.

So long and all the best,

Volker

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cgallagher93

Edit Personal comments removed

Over the past few months iPhone applications have gone crazy and Joel Comm is just one guy who's making a fortune from developing them. The good old iFart - which Joel kindly played at the Entrepreneurs Bootcamp last weekend - is a great example of this.

So there's no doubt there's money to be made in this game - lots of it in fact! But Cell Phone Cash is virtually impossible to get right. Basically it's about using your mobile to drive traffic to a website, great in theory but when you dig a little deeper it's hard to see how anyone's actually making any money with this.

Keeping it brief, the course is laid out in one week modules so as not to suffer from information overload (or more to keep you locked in) and takes a lot of time and investment. This is most certainly quite the opposite of a get rich quick scheme!

As with the Maverick Money Makers club, I found that the product failed to live up to the hype of the sales letter and doesn't really go into all the nitty-gritty details to help you understand it well.

Obviously there's mixed reviews, as always. But to be honest I really can't see why anyone would back this thing up! It's basically an alternative way of driving traffic to a website rather than a way of making money with apps.

Edit irrelevant name removed

The point is you still need to work out a way to make that traffic convert and unless you know for sure that you can turn your visitors into buying customers, you'll lose an awful lot of money with this thing.

Albeit things like mobile phone games and iPhone applications are getting bigger by the day, people making money with them are few and far between. Personally, I reckon it'll be a good few years before someone comes out with a decent course on how to make money with this stuff and by that time it'll probably be saturated with "iPhone Gurus" who brush their teeth with washing up liquid and charge $1997 for rehashed rubbish!

Hope this helps :-)

T.J.

Just bought CPC the day before yesterday...

1300 hops
0 Sales

Does it mean it's a scam? Maybe...Maybe not.

I think part of the problem is regarding the type of products I/we are promoting...
Honestly I did not really expect to get that many sales if any at all. But, I was willing to try.

Even if you do not make a single sale from clickbank it doesn't mean that it can't be profitable if for example you have a large business. For example you can connect with the user immediatley after they click on your ad if you choose so. Can you imagine what kind of cost that would save some compaines if they were only paying 5 cents per click to get customers to call?

one of the problems is that the traffic however is not targeted enough... In fact it's not targeted at all! Which means that you will have to appeal to the most animal instink when considering promoting an offer. In other words you have to have your buyer not even want to think about doing it but to just do it.

With that in mind I think that the CPA offers might be more profitable... Which is what I'm going to try next (if I can get approved for a network).

But just because something didn't work the first time you tried, you should not count it out as a scam. This is comming from someone who hasn't made a sale with CPC!

Think about it? How long did it take you to make your first sale with PPC or to have a profitable PPC campaign? And How much did you pay per click.

Folks you're only paying around 5 cents a click! Meaning you get what you pay for...LOL

IF, you can make money with this there is Huge potential.

Sorry to those that lost money. As I have myself with this but you have to always keep in mind that this is an investment (win or lose). One of the first rules of investing is that you don't invest money you can't afford to lose in the first place (<--Robert Kiyosaki, I beilve says this).

Even though there are those of you that have lost money on this you didn't really lose.

How to recover your investment:

-You can just use this add this a learning experience (an expensive one at that).
-Try to make it work by testing different products.
-Or you can just choose to say that you've lost your money for no reason (and prove your self right by not learning anything).
- Test different types of offers like CPA, not just clickbank and then call Cell Phone Cash a bunch of _ull__it But still take this as a learning experience and tell yourself never again to fall for such hype (for lack of a better term). And then return the product.

Tips
On another not.. I advertised Reverse Search on this and I only did the US area ONLY. When I did this my clicks were calm, cool and steady throughout the day.

When I chose all areas? Well I think you already know... 700 or so clicks in matter of about 30 minutes... Wow..Guess there are a lot of freakin Iphone users out there.

Just a thought
Imagine if you were to set up the call option and then forward all your calls to a call center?? Do you think this would work?


Edit:forgot to mention

I also forgot to mention that Google also has moble phone ad options as well with Adwords. You can lose as much money as you want there for FREE! Or at least without spending 25 bucks for the course.

One thing that's wrong with the course. When you watch the first video series Mack Give's advice about a certain Competative Niche.. But if you read his disclaimer directly below all the video's he goes on to say that he strongly suggest not to invest time in the same niche he advised you to get started in, in the video? That kind of makes me think that this guy has no Idea what he's talking about, but I'll wait to see what happens in the next few weeks.


Anyways that's my learning experience with Cell Phone Cash So Far...
I'll Keep you updated.



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cgallagher93

Tj,

If you're looking for a CPA network go to Affiliate Programs by Joe Bucks and sign up. It's automatic approval and it's part of the Market Health network.

Good luck,

Connor

Cynthia A.

No, I have not seen the videos & as I stated before, I won't by anything from this product owner again. My comment was based on reading ALL the posts here & seeing the struggles people are having trying to make this thing work.

So you didn't test all the way as the others here have.

My issue with your review was what I saw as hypocrisy. You say here on this forum what you really think about this system, but downplay it in your review site where you've got several affiliate links pointing to the product.

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One Dumb Aussie

G'day all,

Lucky we are in different locations this would be an interesting room to be in where this discussion Live.

I have weighed into this debate a few times, and yes I claim to have made money.
I have posted my week 6 and 7 review and some stats.
Don't expect screen shots. I have summarised 3 of the 12 campaigns I have run. 7 profitable 5 Not.

I am not concerned whether you think this can be done, In fact the less that do will put off the what the last video of the course predicts. I like admob it is easy to use. I just wish you could control your spending a bit better. Minimum $100 a day is out of my league so I monitor VERY closely.

HINT: Make sure you get real time stats to react fast if conversions are crap, 1 small change in my case made the difference.

A Comment on what making Money is before I sign off from this thread.
If you Invest $50 and get $70 Back you have made money.
You aren't rich but you are In front. if you re-invest that $70 then maybe you will make $100 and so on.

EVENTUALLY you may be able to make $600,000 in 1 Month But it will probably cost you $520,000 to make it. STILL a good Investment! Ask any financial person if an $80,000 return on an investment of $520,000 in a month is good bad. With your capital returned to you as well so you keep the 80 and go again with the 520

ANY profit is PROFIT. I have yet to find any product that will provide me with a massive return FAST for NOTHING. The secret is small steps and constant re-investment and leveraging your earnings NOT spending them on beer. (Not all anyway)

If you are looking to make $10,000 in the next few days for $24.95 then save your money. If you are Looking for solid information that will allow you to EVENTUALLY leverage yourself into a decent income online Over time then the course is solid.

How long it takes depends on How Much time and Money you are willing to invest. I personally set a budget and then only use earnings to re-invest. if the budget runs out and no earnings product is scrapped.

Take Care and I hope the next thread we meet on is Not so WARM.

One Dumb Aussie

P.S If you can make it rain you are Needed in rockhampton/yeppoon/cawarral Queensland.
We have had No rain for months and now the place is on fire.
Anything you can do please do it. Many are turning to prayer, I'm not there yet but close.
PLEASE RAIN!!!!!

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One Dumb Aussie

Soory I forgot to put this in It is Funny.

I did a campaign where you get a phonecall, I got a prepaid mobile phone and set it up. I hit go on the campaign, International like they said. (I feel so stupid for doing this but I was excited)

At One Point I had 11 calls at Once, Lots didn't speak English and I had no sleep for 36 Hours. I then watched the Video on Outsourcing.

When I can afford it more I will use that, Until then No more "Touch here 2 make $$ with an aussie" The idea was to spend a day talking to people and getting them into my members area I am Building. Too Much too soon, Made an Idoit of myself Internationally. Zero Sign Ups and a pissed off wife. Oh yeah Lost $30 before the pause kicked in.

Small steps

Take Care.

One Dumb Aussie, Tips for the Tight ar$e

adza

Hi Guys,
I have read all reviews post and forums like this and guess what...I decided to jump into the lion's Den by purchasing Cell Phone Cash.I just purchase it on the 14 OCT and like many of you,I completed the week one course for only just 1 day.Now I have to wait for week 2.which really bothers me.I did advertise a product from CB and guess what,like most of you.there are many impressions but ZILCH sales!The product I offer is a money making product.I almost want to ask for a refund.Then I came across,OneDumbAussie's opinion to think outside the box.
So my opinion ,why not give this product a try.Like some of you said ,there is huge potential here.I have never earn anything from IM since I came across it in 2005.In business,you have to keep trying,no matter if you fall a 100 times,if u keep trying getting up,u will one one day.so guys,dont give up!

all the best!

dannynz

Hi All

Still NO REPLY from Mach's Cell Phone Cash Support, over 2 days now. Very sad and one of the worst IM support I have ever experienced.

Today I watched the key videos for week 7, zzzzzz nothing new. The mention that video is an advanced technique and as a throw away says you give people your web affiliate link in the video ... I don't see people getting out a pen to write it down, and or going there on the iphone, maybe on the net later on. There is no thought through on this KEY issue!

... soon I will show you my ideas and test results from quicktime video running off an iphone compatible page, with opt-in form and triggered emails to sell.

You can stay updated with my progress and get first access to my results and maybe later video training by subscribing to my list via the link below in my signature ... I created a brand/site/blog called Cell Phone Marketing and Development.

... this is to document things for everyone to learn - with live recorded set-up, and results updates etc. Soon in a few weeks I will be back in my country to set up my office and computers to concentrate more on this. I will also then test click to call to a live operator.

Thanks One Dumb Aussie for some feed back and information, I am not going to labor it anymore with you but more detail of the niche/product and stats would be great.

Adza, sorry to hear your results, nothing new cause Macks course doesn't go into enough detail with real examples for you to really crack the code. e.g. week 7 there is a flippen remark that he made hundreds of thousands with his so called advanced technique never any real examples.

Cynthia, yes I am also disgusted by all these useless review websites out there now for Cell Phone Cash. The full training just finished since it launched so now would be the best time for real review sites to start being made - with real experience and results - we would hope ... yes I doubt it.

Jenny I think it would better if you actually waited UNTIL you were able to make money from Cell Phone Cash as Mack teaches before you put up a review site.

cgallagher93, thanks for that Affiliate network link, great stuff.

T.J., yes great tip I also follow - watch the impresses and clicks closely, don't just set up and leave it to run. Pause it at night if you are only targeting the US. The goal is to get to 500 clicks and see the results from that. If not in profit by this point forget it, or change it.

Wuuki/Volker, wow 9 tickets, none of them got answered, you called the support desk 6 times, without much help - that is giving it a good run! I have heard of others with the same experience, including myself. There is no support - it is the worst I have seen in the IM industry.

The CPA success you had success with - earning $72 on $50 budget, can you please tell us what the product was and with which CPA Network?

Thanks again all, lets keep pushing forward with this as I know it has potential but we can only see this happen by working together and we can thank Mack for opening the door for us all to have a look in and get somethings happening.

Again check out my Cell Phone Marketing and Development resource page link below and soon I will have more info.

Danny

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niac7

One Dumb Aussie, I read your campaign details. While they sound decent, they are a little unclear as to how you made money.

For instance, you said you gave away some free ebooks and then somehow made over $300 shortly after from 9 customers. Could you clarify?

Also, I never got my AdMob ad approved, so I would like to share my strategy with others here for free in hopes that someone will test it as I am having the worst time setting it up.

There are actually 2 approaches that I hoped to try, both deal with using this to build a list to sell to later and they also aim to actually minimize the number of clicks from AdMob so that less money is spent.

Here we go:

Both strategies involve a free offer though it is not directly downloadable.

Strategy 1:

1)First, I uploaded a free money making report to a free file host service.
2)Next, I set up an SMS Short Code and Message.

Mine was TEXT4CASH at 41411. (No longer active) When text, it would respond with a message and link to download the free product. BUT, the Short Code service would also capture their cell phone number!!! (chi-ching)

3)Then, advertise the Short Code on AdMob in a way to entice people to text instead of click.

The ad I was waiting for approval on stated "Make Money with ur Phone Text TEXT4CASH to 41411" (or something to that effect, I think I had to shortened it due to space restrictions).

The hope is to convert a lot of those IMPRESSIONS where people see the ad, but instead of clicking, they just flip to their text and text it. Of course, many will still click.

At any rate, once they text, you have their cell # and your ebook should have other ways of getting them to provide info. At any rate, now you have a number for possible followup SMS marketing.

Also, you can easily get the names and sometimes addresses of these people for a small fee through many online background search sites. They usually give an unlimited day of searches for about $15. Now you have names, cell phone #s and Addresses.

Strategy 2:

This strategy could provide a phone number as well as Name and address in one swoop for most callers.

1) Have an exciting free offer.
2) Set up a pre-sales voice mail on either your cell phone or an extra cell phone that is strictly for this (some prepaid phones may work). It MUST be a cell phone though.
3) Next, you would set up TrapCall on your cell phone. You can Google it. I am not selling it or anything. When a caller calls your cell phone number and it is off or whatever, it forwards the call through TrapCall. They have a free service that will usually get name and phone number, but the $5 service will also get you the address in some cases.
4) Now, you run an AdMob site instructing folks to call, NOT click.

"Call 800-xxx-xxxx for a Free ____" (You could get a Toll-Free number to route to your cell.

Once they call, you can capture the info for future marketing.

Anyway, that is all I have. Hope it makes sense enough.

Wuuki

Hi,

Finally, Week 7 of the course has been released and now I can tell everybody checking this great forum for an advice two things:

1) If you are making at least five-figures per month and you're looking for another traffic source to monetize offers you have tested before, you can go for it and see if you can make it work. Forget what the sales page is telling you because it is far from what you'll find inside, which is not a problem for you since you are in the game for quite a while.

2) If you are looking for a business to start with or you expect to find what is said on the sales page, forget this course and start a "real" online business.

The last video of today's week made me even laugh by reading the reasons why one should stick to the membership. I have attached a screenshot! So knowing that almost nobody got an reply from the 24/7 support desk, this is just WOW! I don't even want to talk about "mentoring" as said in the same video. What a pity!

I'll keep you posted anyway.

Take good care all of you,

Volker

PS: Danny, the offer was a $250 gift card, CPA from Triad Media

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JR Rich

Okay, I admit that I haven't bought this product (and don't plan to) so I won't make any comments about its worthiness or lack thereof.

What I will say is that the last thing I want my cell phone doing is dishing-up affiliate ads all day long!

I'm from the "Old Days (TM)" where one uses a telephone to - well - talk! I don't want it to . . .

• Play games
• Check the weather
• Order Sushi (Who really eats that stuff?)
• Play clever Star Wars tones

I've never understood text messaging in any case. Why type something into a tiny keyboard when you can just call the person and Say it?

Alright, rant mode off. Hey, I'm a card-carrying curmudgeon, after all!

Regards,
--JR

dannynz

I have to laugh at this, yes you are right Volker, where is the community he talks about? Where is the 27/7 support - it is not there! This forum is the closest you will get to a community for Cell Phone Cash. And if there was a forum or any way of communicating with others who are doing the training - then wow I am sure it would be heated to say the least!

Thanks for the info on your ad offer you did, cheers

Danny

PS. I tested another little offer over the weekend - Quiz offer with ROI, direct off a text ad to the iphone, stopped at 100 clicks, no sales of course. I knew it would not work but wanted to see while I work on my fully optimized iphone pages.

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fearmydesign

Man....I am so disappointed after reading all your posts, but it really made things clear, I read every single reply here. I blew $50 in about 1 hour with $0 in sales, but this morning I was so excited that I pulled out my credit card and added another $100 which I still have about $89 and paused after reading all this. Now I just went back to AdMob.com and modified the ad to go my business page so that I can at least get some traffic for the investment. Sad.

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l23bc

still im sorry to add my 2pence worth of comments like before but seems we got the ones saying there making it this way or that way however i throught i try something out last week with cell phone cash just to prove a point to my slelf and here goes i may be saying some old posts here but bear with me.


when i purchased the product

I was with it till week 2 or so if i can remember until i got really p*ss*d off with mach saying in one video use a clickbank product then saying try something else, so without further ado i contacted my am account manager on copec and cpa bullet(as well on msn on neverblue) for the best targeted dating and applications, neffititi which is one on facebook came up trumps, so purchased admobs traffic

spent 50$ dollars
"love facebook games,click to find more"
return ($0)

traffic 21,330

dating niche eharmoney
"connect with local men/ladies on your iphone feee"

traffic
22,438
spent $80
hits or signups $0

Now here comes the affilate part-after i made the iphone and my lg arena redunant-headed to clickbank

settup a linkwheel to some sites such as blogger (myeffortlesscash.blogger.com) weebly and few other pr sites with just 4 articles form my hubpages account which is a ezine favorate (had 200 views since last week been on ezine articles for 2 weeks) then backlinked the linkwheels for traffic then released a press release...same old web 2.0

made 60 bucks form sales of cell phone cash however since i didnt go on the terms of cdr of clickbank(other words customers paid with 3 credit cards and one paypal on order foam i wont get paid till someone else buys with a mastercard or credit card!! sucks i know)

http://hubpages.com/u/1974724_f520.jpg

At the moment this pic shows 24.74 or something that just came in last week for cell phone cash but im not here to brag im trying to show that with the program i never a dime with it until i went back as a afffilate then i made with refund of product about 100 bucks, including refund in total, so the only way to make money with this is the same as maverick money makers and as a affilate,

JazzOscar

Hi l23bc,

If I don't misunderstand you you're telling us in your last post that, after you found this product useless yourself, you went on promoting it and earning money from it as an affiliate.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm not I think the above mentioned seriously hurts your credability.

At least I wouldn't dream of buying a product from someone who knowingly promotes products he/she doesn't believe in to others.

Just my point of view.

Oscar Toft

Kevingators

Yeah, I agree. How can you promote an offer that you yourself can't make any money with. As far as I can tell from all these posts is the Cell phone cash is impossible to make any money with.

I did purchase it when it came out and after week 4 I got my money back. I didn't see anybody in this forum say that they were excited about all the money that they were making from this training course.

I just checked Clickbank and Cell Phone Cash has a gravity of 535.28! You have got to be kidding. I guess we all know who is making money with this course.

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realoptions

I found the information in the videos to be repetitive and/or contradictory. Furthermore, I did not appreciate the fact that I was unable to view the entire course at my own discretion. This is not good considering that people learn at different rates. I also realized that most of the CB landing pages are not optimized for iphones. I contacted the support staff with some inquiries and still haven't received a response. As you can see, I'm not overly impressed with this product.

dannynz

HI Real Options - You will NOT get any help from Macks support or have support tickets answered - end of story. As I have posted more then once I have not had any help from my tickets whatsoever. Mach should be ashamed of himself for this terrible support - it is joke and a real unfortunate show-up of another so called IM Guru/teacher. He is more interested in just making money then help others I would say - BASED on all my experience.

Kevingators - yes, his product as a huge gravity and is making him and the affiliates a lot of money, Mack as said he had over 10,000 customers in the first week. If you search Google you find a lot of useless review sites of affiliate just selling the course who have NEVER tested what the course teaches or even made money - sick- shameful.

I was wondering can we all make complaints to Clickbank and email them our experiences, that this product should NOT be listed and made available if what he teaches doesn't work - does Clickbank have such rules, what does it say to Vendors - your product must work? Who knows? All I know I am disgusted by this whole money IM scam.

Saying all the that I am still testing things out on my own so to speak so if ANYONE has Iphone coded site experience I need your help. I have a CPA/Affiliate company willing to help me test via Iphone marketing - connected direct to their database.

All this knowledge I have learnt outside of Macks course - which I DONT recommend - go to Admod, join free and read all their information FREE that is all you need to get started and as good as the Cell phone Cash course.

Danny

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netprofitz

Hey Danny, just tried sending you a PM but your mailbox is full.

robyrobertson

I found the same to be true. Got the first module and had to wait a week for the next one etc. I found that much of the information was good but that the sales content was misleading for what actually had to be done to promote products on Admob. Spent 50.00 at first only to learn in a later module that I should not have done it. Wish I had had the entire course to look at first. Howeve, this was my bad...

I cancelled my membership to concentrate on the other side of my business. I think cell phone marketing will be huge but it takes a whole lot more than you think...

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JazzOscar

I never bought this course, so I don't know the exact structure of it.

I wonder though how you can think it's your bad following bad advice from the author of the course during the course, at least if you're not told by the author to do nothing until you've been through the whole course.

Oscar Toft

dannynz

the best way to get hold of me is via my cell phone marketing page/blog linked on my signature here. join and I get you details to contact you.

danny

My journey with mobile marketing profit
Free videos on mobile affiliate marketing
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tdiwpro

This thread has just saved me from wasting money - thank you!

AScott

Please DO NOT waste your time. I signed up for this and its just as all the rest of the junk on the internet. The so called Gurus are pushing it because I received an email from Brian Wynn(The Millionaires League). The sales copy is misleading. Only 1 module is released per week which the sales copy failed to mention. The info on the first module seems to be OK but only one thing, It does not work! There is a disclaimer on members page below the module videos that states that after several test, the method explained in week one does not work because it does not covert very well, although the training video instructs to do this. After informing the support team of this, I was told Mack is updating the videos and it takes a while for that to happen. LAME!!! I noticed some people claiming to make money from this but showing not stats or proof. Folks, don't waste your time on this..

gw92311d

Thanks for the information. I was disappointed when i purchased the Cell phone Cash. I really thought it was going to work this Time. I am going to tap into the WSO and see what's up! Yes, i am upset! But you did give me an Idea. I will run with it and see what happens. Thanks!

gw92311d

Hey,
i too am a little fustrated. I bought the product. Read thought the first two modules or second week. Blow about $200. Very mad! But not mad to stop. I got a lot of impression and click but no sale. I did the tweeking as stated but nothing. I am still mad, but i am looking out there, is anyone truely making money from it! it seems like a good idea, but where it the Money!!!! Gail

dannynz

Hi Gail,

there is money it in but it takes a lot of work, money and time to get the right combination - I am still working on it. Number 1 piece of advise I can give is only send people to iphone optimized pages not html pages, and only offer free information for opt-in, trigger emails, build your database, build relationships.

... all not easy, certainly not as easy as Mack in Cell Phone Rip Off Cash makes it sound. You will need a programmer or basic programming knowledge to get the iphone optimized pages working and so the opt-in details go into a database and trigger an email and or a series of emails.

I am working on this at the moment, but overseas traveling and back in my country to work direct with my programmer mid Nov. You can keep up to date in this and get my training info via my link below and join there.

Regards

Danny

My journey with mobile marketing profit
Free videos on mobile affiliate marketing
Mobile marketing mastermind on twitter | facebook

roozak

I am sure that this may have been discussed already but, the CPA offers dont work either in my testing...heres my numbers

I deposited $100

Ran 1 CPA offer, 3 different ads

2,895 4 0.14% $0.24
134 0 0.00% $0.00
18,043 57 0.32% $3.42
16,187 166 1.03% $6.64
70,365 738 1.05% $29.52
27,118 293 1.08% $11.72
24,599 67 0.27% $4.02

first row, impressions, then clicks, CTR, Cost

The last 3 were CPA offers, it was the same offer with 3 different ads running...heres the thing..i got out the calculator...

Lets take my best set of numbers: 70,365 impressions converted 1.05 %, for 738 clicks...lets say the general rule for conversions leading to sale equals = 3% well that would equal 22 sales - at my offer paying me $1.40 for each conversion (it was an email submit) - I should have been paid $30.80 subtract the cost $29.32 and get a whole $1.41 Profit - wow - sorry but not what I am going to spend my time on for $1.40

Those are my numbers I hope they get better...but I am not hopeful...I am really waiting for the next video that will give me the secret that has been withheld from me...

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dannynz

Hi Roozak, thanks for the numbers, great see this kind of detail. What were you offering? And what advert line did you use?

Sorry to say but there are no real secrets in Mack's course, it is all very logical.

I hope to have my iphone optimized page going live tomorrow, the opt-in data will be connected directly to the cpa/affiliate network (kind offer and very helpful crew). The offer is free videos on making money online, not the best kind of product over the iphone but the only one I can use at the moment with these guys. The conversion online has been very high, mine was around 1 in 3 opt-in, so it will be interesting to see the conversion on the iphone.

Danny

My journey with mobile marketing profit
Free videos on mobile affiliate marketing
Mobile marketing mastermind on twitter | facebook

Wuuki

Hi guys,

Short update on what's going on.

- I've submitted a refund ticket in time.
- I've been notified that the refund will be issued.
- The Money Guarantee says that it will be for a 60 days
- Now I found out that it's just the enrollment fee BUT NOT the second month fee

Yes, I have to admit after reading the guarantee a second time, it even says like this
but no need to say that this is more than giving a wrong impression.

Anyway, I have submitted another ticket to Clickbank asking them for some more information
since I believe somebody must take action.

Keep you posted.

Cheers

Volker

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tjk1058

You would think that with as many of us that asked for refunds that this would send red flags to clickbank. You would think that the percentage of refunds to sales would be high on this.

TedK

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kurtgeer

Hey Warriors

I haven't purchased cell phone cash but have been watching this thread
closely as I am sure a lot of folks are.

Came across this in Fast Company about 4info

4INFO Home - Free Mobile Alerts and SMS Search and SMS Alerts

Their claims are:
#1 SMS provider and one of the largest mobile media companies
They claim they send roughly 20% of all media related SMS traffic in the US.
Were funded in Jan 09 with $20 million

Though it might help since all I have heard about is Admob and untargeted traffic

Hope this helps those of you who are brave enough to
try uncharted territories

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ProfessorBob

I have just recently gone thru the CPC program and found them to be rather disappointing. He spends a lot of time on Clickbank and selecting affil products that pay recurring commissions - then tells you that these are not really appropriate for cell phone marketing. He also goes thru a number of keyword research items, and those also don't relate to cell phone marketing.

The thing that really got to me, though, was that while he stressed the benefits of marketing by creating YouTube videos as your landing page, he shows how to create a text ad, but never shows how to create a specific video ad. There were a lot of generalizations but fewer specifics.

Of courdse, the kicker was that AdMob requires a minimum daily budget of $100, and you can blow thru that incredibly fast with the numbers of cell phones that can be reached. I found it to be the best way to lose money in the shortest amount of time.

dannynz

Hi Kurt,

Yes there is a heap of great info out there and other networks and means to send to mobile phones. I have not revealed all my research here etc as it is not on topic as such, it will be on my own cell phone marketing and development blog and email updates soon.

My iphone optimized page will go live tomorrow all going well, the CPA/Affiliate company is just getting the autoresponders working on their end. Today the form on our page is sending the data to their server/database - which is great.

Yes, TedK you would expect Clickbank would see there are a lot of refunds going through for this useless product. When I canceled (never asked for a refund) I sent a detailed email and referred to this thread - not sure it made much difference

Yes, ProfessorBob the content in the video's is very thin on the REAL stuff, real examples and the things you really need to make this. You can make a video and use you tube but how are you going to get people back to the page and opt-in?

Regards

Danny

My journey with mobile marketing profit
Free videos on mobile affiliate marketing
Mobile marketing mastermind on twitter | facebook

roozak

I was offering a CPA on a $1000 Gift Card from Wal-Mart - I think my advert line was something "Touch Here for $1000"...I followed the courses advice and of course my $100 was gone in no time...

But wait just over the horizon if you put in another $100 you might be successful - I am sure thats what I will hear from the next video.

Its truly disappointing, however I have been able to discover another option that would pay better and might actually work...once I test it I will let the rest know if it was worth it...

bookerx3

Well not really related to Cell Phone SCAM, but in a way it is. I just received an email from Admob stating they have just been bought out by Google for 750 million! Pretty interesting to me. That is all

Vibrant Warrior

I blew away $200 too. Thousands of impressions on a high converting sales page. Not a single sale.

Maverick has a great personality and is one of the best coaches I had ever come across so why does he lose his credibility in this manner when he truly could be making a fortune through sharing something that really does work?

Big Hombre

Weblomaniac, my compliments!

I have no way of assessing whether your information is accurate, not being a cell phone industry insider, but based on what I do know it seems spot on! Speaking for everybody here (if I may be so bold), I offer my profuse thanks!

Ironically (does anyone else feel this way?), you have provided more real value, content and education regarding this new, burgeoning (and confusing) industry than the 7 week SellFoneCrap™ course even aspired to do!

Having spent many months struggling (and failing, like most here it would seem) with cell phone marketing, and having suffered through 7 weeks of broad, sweeping generalizations, hyperbolic theory and little real content of any value, it's a breath of fresh air to encounter information that actually addresses some of my questions and concerns. Heaven knows, repeated emails to Mac Michael's and his know-nothing troops didn't do me any good!

Kudos to you, kind sir, and well done!

Big Hombre

Roger, what you say is true, and I second your conclusions. I do part company with you on the "scam" part. Sadly, I have come to believe it is that, too, but I acknowledge not everyone will agree with that characterization.

I do think most of us will agree that SellFoneCrap™ is a really, really bad course, though. There's little doubt about that, is there?

The way I see it, the really big and truly egregious problem with SellFoneCrap is that Mac Michaels' specifically targets newbies and those looking for a quick way to start making money online. He makes it seem like you will be getting in the cutting edge of something that is proven, powerful and (compared to other means of making money online) almost brain-dead simple.

Not!

He hypes how "easy" it is to make money on cellphones, telling us that will be making hundreds of dollars a week right out of the starting gate (again, "easily"). Further, in the first week of his so-called course, he tells you "now you know enough to go out and start making money right away" (paraphrasing, here).

Yeah, right.

We've seen (from this thread here) how well that worked out.

Mac Michaels' is positioning SellFoneCrap as a beginner's product, knowing full well (IMHO) it will never work for beginners! That's pretty dodgy, wouldn't you agree? Heck, there are very experienced marketers here who have had no luck with the course following Mr. Michael's directions to the letter. What real hope, given this, does 10,000 noobs have (particularly when they're falling all over each other, driving up costs, creating bottlenecks and network-wide problems, and pissing off the Admob admins)?

The only people I know who are having luck with cell phone marketing is those who are using it as a lead generation vehicle, and that is certainly not a strategy for noobs (not that SellFoneCrap teaches it, anyway).

So, with the benefit of hindsight and new-found wisdom, I whole-heartedly agree with the general thrust of your conclusions. Cell phone marketing is definitely not for noobs nor the faint of heart. Unfortunately, that's just not the way the "course" is being positioned.

It's the outlandish claims and ridiculous hype that's drawing people in and causing so much harm, because people actually buy into his BS and starting throwing money away on Admob (not to mention the "course" itself).

Mr. Michaels ought to be ashamed of himself!

Not that he will. He's laughing all the way to the bank.

Big Hombre

Ted, I have it from a SellFoneCrap™ insider that they were (and probably still are) "experiencing a very high rate of cancellations and refunds." In a perfect world, this should tell Clickbank that the course is bad. My source also informed me that they were getting a high number of irate calls to the support center (no surprise there), no doubt exacerbated by the fact that nobody over there (other than Mr. Michaels, presumably*) actually knows anything about cell phone marketing!

Brilliant, eh? Genius! Well done, Mr. Michaels. Bravo!

Pffffff.

Like others here, I sent a sharply worded email to CB when I quit the program, making these very points (and others). Did it make a difference? I doubt it.

I haven't looked recently, but not too long ago MaverickMoneyMakers and CellPhoneCash were two of the hottest (and presumably most profitable) programs on CB. Is it likely they will kill a golden-egg laying goose or two? Time will tell I suppose, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

* At this point, a big presumption.

Big Hombre

Jess, I never had a problem with Admob per se (other than the minor issue of never actually selling anything, despite oodles of clicks). Ahem.

But despite the differences in our experience, at the end of the day we're in agreement on the course. It was crap, and it sounds like we both need a nice, powerful mint!

Altoids anyone?

dmason

Google just bought AdMob [the Advertiser] for $750 MILLION...today. There is a future here...just not with CPC.
Just my $0.02

Big Hombre

That is a great looking landing page, Danny. I'm very impressed! Now (of course) I want to know how it's working!

I commend you, sir, for the breadth and depth of your posts. You are positioning yourself (whether you know it or not) as a true guru, and I mean that in the most sincere and complimentary way. Instead of hyping a bunch of crap, you are demonstrating, through your generosity here, that you are a serious, sincere person. It's clear that you are really interested in helping others and you are an asset to this thread and forum!

Thank you!

I, for one, greatly appreciate what you are doing. Please keep it up!

Moreso, thank you so much for the "play by play" commentary on your campaigns. Had I had more time when I was testing on Admob, I would have come in here and done likewise.

Showing what you are doing is great for all of us, and considering you don't have to do this (and most wouldn't ever bother), I can't thank you enough!

I'm waiting for mobiSiteGalore to figure out a tech problem before I begin a new test campaign. I am now going after LEADS only -- no attempt to sell anything on the first pass. I have it on good authority (I think) that this is the way to go. I will find out for myself shortly...

For those not familiar with the above mentioned site, it's a great way to build fully WAP compliant web sites quickly and easily (no programming or even HTML/scripting knowledge required). Best of all it's free, believe it or not! Check out mobiSiteGalore.com (not an affiliate link -- there aren't any affiliate links!).

My thought on using mSG is that I want a site that is viewable on any cellphone, not just the iPhone. It expands my advertising options dramatically.

I will keep you all posted...

Big Hombre

I couldn't agree more, JR.

The irony of all this is not lost on me. Here I am, trying to make money from a market I feel "too old" for. When I brought up my test .mobi site on my crap cell phone the other day, it took me five minutes to type the URL into the phone. Any competent 15 year old could have done it in about 15 seconds.

Worse yet, I don't own an iPhone, Android or Blackberry, either, and I've yet to send a single email through my phone because it doesn't seem terribly efficient to me (which, at the rate I text, it clearly is not).

For shame, for shame!


With every "course" I buy on Internet (and related) marketing, I get closer to honorary membership in your club. Grumble, hiss, spit.

In fact, I think I got an invite in the mail, as well as one from AARP!

Nuno

The official news for Google's Admob acquisition:
Official Google Blog: Investing in a mobile future with AdMob

Nothing to sell, but something to give... Soon.