WP Mage Review Thread

[Steve Crooks]

I don't doubt that the mage has a slick interface and all of the bells and whistles. But I keep reading various people say that you have to spend time rewriting PLR or using original content. Which is all fine and correct but can somebody give me a good reason to use a mass automation tool like wpmage if you are spending your time producing good content? It just doesn't add up..

Surely the whole point of using something like wpmage is so that you can throw up thousands of junky duplicate pages like the example given earlier in the thread. I just don't see how wpmage can fit in to the "building quality sites" way of doing things.

I am not trying to be derogatory or anything, it is a genuine question.

Originally Posted by trishworks4u

It's been an interesting ride watching and participating in this thread. I did go over and look at the page for the "cheaper alternative" to wp mage and, while there are some good tools there, I find quite a few missing. Like Greg said, if you have the time to go out and put a bunch of pieces together, that's great.

The whole point of this is "turnkey" and scaling. with regards to the "cheaper alternatives", I didn't investigate but highly doubt there is a huge active forum community centered around that 'system'. what about keyword research, domain acquisition, help with affiliate programs? I assume those are other "pieces" i'd have to go out and find...

Originally Posted by creativentrepreneur

Valuable point Linda ... maintaining quality content on websites we build as Internet marketers is to be regarded as an honorable duty.

The key is having original quality content and only use products like the Mage to provide auxiliary supporting content. No harm in this approach and your site would not be banned for duplicate content (if there is such a ban).

Cheers,

Andy

[TelegramSam]

Thanks for the warning Pearson.

I am still interested in this WP Mage however, if it can help us with something...

We have hundreds of domain names, and perhaps a hundred or two with no content yet. Just the domain names. Many of which are keyword rich for our various niches.

Getting these off the ground just hasn't happened yet for a couple of years as we have so many other things too.

So can WP Mage be used to get these unused domains up and running?

As well as mainly automated content can you still add some manual/original content into the sites, just to mix it up even more?

Also, what kind of themes does this program use?

Are the sites attractive?

Basically, we are looking for some automation tools to get these sites up and running and this sounds like it may help.

Will it?

Thanks,
Sam

[60MinuteAffiliate]

Originally Posted by papeter

How does this WP Mage compare with Andrew Hansen's FIREPOW2 which seems to me to do the same thing. With FP2 you have a monthly fee of $127 which over 12 months works out more expensive than $1300 for WPM. Andrew Hansen has an excellent internet pedigree and I am not saying Greg Hasn't but I have never heard of him until just now.

I just want a blog system for putting up multiple 2/3 page Landing Pages for CPA and general affiliate marketing. I am not interested in Ebay nor Amazon! So would FP2 do the trick for me?


Thanks for any input will be most appreciated.

Hi there

I can't talk about wp mage because i'm not a user but i am a long term firepow 1 and 2 user.

I use firepow and recommend firepow for exactly what you're talking about - creating niche blogging sites of a few pages and posts and promoting affiliate products or your own products yourself.

I don't promote ebay products or amazon products myself but focus on digital and physical products and while working full time I've managed to create $20,000 per month income while doing such....that's by having multiple blogs across multiple niches.

You could say I'm more from the old fashioned school of blogging rather than auto blogging somuch (though fp does have some features that go towards that too)....and I also create my blogs for the long term and also to make them as valuable as possible should i ever wish to sell a few of them for quick cash generation.

Hope that helps.

Colleen

[cashtech29]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

Thanks for the warning Pearson.

I am still interested in this WP Mage however, if it can help us with something...

We have hundreds of domain names, and perhaps a hundred or two with no content yet. Just the domain names. Many of which are keyword rich for our various niches.

Getting these off the ground just hasn't happened yet for a couple of years as we have so many other things too.

So can WP Mage be used to get these unused domains up and running?

As well as mainly automated content can you still add some manual/original content into the sites, just to mix it up even more?

Also, what kind of themes does this program use?

Are the sites attractive?

Basically, we are looking for some automation tools to get these sites up and running and this sounds like it may help.

Will it?

Thanks,
Sam

Hi Sam.
If you are an adept mage user, look at the advanced mage video tutorial.
This will show you how to customize the templates in any way you like.

[cheeze69]

Originally Posted by allenjohn

This is what also concerns me. Can anyone share a url that has been built using this tool? I have found this one from this thread:

Allen,

Here is another I found: www.hogwildauctions.com

If you click on pretty much anything in the tag cloud (i.e. not a "front facing" page), you'll see the low quality translated stuff similar to what you found.

For example, in reference to Harley motorcycles if you click the "casket" tag, you see stuff like "Instead of bringing a smile to your audience, you get a joke! People like waiting and want feel welcome and well treated."

Clearly, this would not pass *anybody's* manual inspection for anything to do with Harleys. Actually, if you spoke like that around most bikers, they'd kick your ass on the spot

This stuff may work for a while, but like someone else said, I'd be terrified of Google sending even their most retarded trained chimp over to review the sites and getting your entire account banned.

BTW, nothing against the owner of that site - it's just a good example. One a side note, the owner clearly spent some time writing/adding some real content to the front-facing pages so that the average person (who doesn't click tags) will see reasonably written content. Perhaps this "hybrid" type of site is worthwhile - auto-blogged stuff for the engines, and OK stuff for humans. I guess it depends on how Google feels when reviewing it.

[Technologize]

I think anyone using this system is playing with fire.

In six months, my bet is on...

1. Google Slapping any of these sites right out of the SERPS
2. EPN Booting anyone sending traffic from these sites

Look, i think it's a great, well thought out system. But like anything in life, short term effort = short term results.

Be careful with this... if you do it.

A.

[ronmojohny]

Works on sites that YOU OWN.. many of my domains have private registration, does the software do a whois check?

[Joe118]

Hi Greg (and everyone else) -- can you tell me a bit about footprints that are going to identify the Mage built sites to Google? I'm still recalling with horror what happened to BANS sites, how they started getting slapped by Google...

Just worried and its a chunk of money, so... If you have any opinion (or even better, facts) on this, please chime in.

[creativentrepreneur]

Originally Posted by Joe118

Hi Greg (and everyone else) -- can you tell me a bit about footprints that are going to identify the Mage built sites to Google? I'm still recalling with horror what happened to BANS sites, how they started getting slapped by Google...

Just worried and its a chunk of money, so... If you have any opinion (or even better, facts) on this, please chime in.

Good question ... this is important ...I am also looking for the same information.

Thanks,

Andy

[Treby]

Have been internet marketing for a few years with some small success-would have to say Ebay network has been the best-in fact since they changed to clicks made more money-My question is this-have used Php software for a year like the affiliate mage plugin also a member of CJ(Commision Junction) but do not see any hits from overstock there-thought maybe I should join Overstock throught CJ-still waiting-so should I still put the link to Overstock or not-been with CJ for 2 years-just a little confused-must say if you get the right keywords on mage affiliate works well,but takes a bit of know how,same as php. had many sites with Bans,left that a bit as got de-indexed even with great content-the other thing that worries me is Adsense-should I or not-some sites I have it on make peanuts and been sandboxed-sorry to go on-any advice greatly taken

[RBadgley]

Originally Posted by twinmom

This is WPMage Review thread. If you haven't used the product yourself first hand (and I mean the whole Master setup), you can't really say that other programs/plugins will do the same thing.

I'm using WPMage with great success and my sites aren't junk pages. They are making me money! And that is what we are here for, isn't it? I'm not here to make "pretty" sites that I can show off. I'm here to feed my family and WPMage is doing a pretty good job at it.

Tracy

For now untill google or ebay cathes up to you

[RBadgley]

Originally Posted by trishworks4u

It's been an interesting ride watching and participating in this thread. I did go over and look at the page for the "cheaper alternative" to wp mage and, while there are some good tools there, I find quite a few missing. Like Greg said, if you have the time to go out and put a bunch of pieces together, that's great.

The whole point of this is "turnkey" and scaling. with regards to the "cheaper alternatives", I didn't investigate but highly doubt there is a huge active forum community centered around that 'system'. what about keyword research, domain acquisition, help with affiliate programs? I assume those are other "pieces" i'd have to go out and find...

There is nothing missing from MS all the tools you need to build quality sites I don't think you read the whole site. Key word research is there affiliate programs also no need to buy anything else and there is not a larger forum than 30DC that is fully is integrated and free with MS.

[TelegramSam]

I think we need Greg to step in here and answer some of these questions and concerns.

I for one and probably more than a few others here have money ready to spend.

I have been at this game long enough to not expect miracles.

I would just like to have some reasonable assurances that these kinds of sites are unlikely to get banned, assuming common sense is applied and only slow growth for the sites etc...

So Greg, please step in and let us know your thoughts.

Thanks,
Sam

[Steve Crooks]

Sam, you mentioned the word common sense, just answer the question yourself, do you think Google would like to see mass produced, low quality sites full of ebay/amazon/adsense ads in it's index? Your answer to that will tell you whether these sites will stick around.

Before someone says it is possible to build high quality sites with wpmage, I understand that, but why would you want to when wordpress and a few plugins can achieve the same thing?

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

I think we need Greg to step in here and answer some of these questions and concerns.

I for one and probably more than a few others here have money ready to spend.

I have been at this game long enough to not expect miracles.

I would just like to have some reasonable assurances that these kinds of sites are unlikely to get banned, assuming common sense is applied and only slow growth for the sites etc...

So Greg, please step in and let us know your thoughts.

Thanks,
Sam

[Greg Jacobs]

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

So Greg, please step in and let us know your thoughts.

Thanks,
Sam

I assume these questions below?

Originally Posted by anteck

1. Google Slapping any of these sites right out of the SERPS
2. EPN Booting anyone sending traffic from these sites


A.

1 - I get maybe 20% of my sites deindexed. - another 30% get a small trickle - 40% are average earners and 10% are homeruns
Doesnt really bother me. I am pretty messy about my sites as well, preferring quantity to quality. All ney-sayers and haters aside. It earns me good income and that is really my concern.

2 - First off, people shouldn't be so concerned with EPN. Its just one of many ways. I even made a video on MAGE Adsense sites for you guys
WORDPRESS MAGE :: TRAINING VIDEOS

I am not the authoritative expert on Adsense and It is just a quicky- and most of this video is learned from others that understand it better than me, but it should get you thinking at least.

Though if you still want to know about EPN, they are pretty much certified off the handle. They pay well and sometimes people get hit. No real correlation between the Mage except that people that use the Mage earn more monies. Its a dangerous jungle out there. The Mage is just a tool.

Hope that answers everybodies questions

[The Copy Nazi]

Hey who's picking on my doggie site! That was the first one i threw up. And "threw" is the operative word. I didn't really know what I was doing back then. I'm one of the original Beta testers. I made the mistake of whacking in 3000 keywords and translating content like crazy. I was Beta testing it remember? The screwy posts were from a bug in Version 1 of the Keyword Tool. It's since been sorted. But you know what? I thought about trawling right through all the content and removing the irrelevant stuff and then I found myself reading some of it and actually being interested in the eBay product shown. How mad is that? So I left it. Does it really look that bad?

Bottom line: the thing works. Will Google ban Mage sites? Who knows what Google will and won't do? For now, I'm making money while the sun shines. And anything that makes that easier gets my vote.

[Nerubriv]

On the sales page it says about Affiliate Mage:

When you visit CJ.com and ClickBank.com you will see the almost endless different products or services you can promote.

but in the sales letter it only lists epn, amazon, adsense, and overstock.

So can a person use clickbank products with the Affiliate Mage? Or is that something that would need to be added manually?

EDITED: I went and watched you adsense video and saw a clickbank area in the monetization area, so it would seem you can easily use clickbank.

Would a person be able to create custom templates?

Thanks.

[trishworks4u]

yes - there are a lot of people creating customized templates in wp mage. I'm not quite that advanced yet.

and yes, it has the clickbank function as part of the plugins. obviously with the templates, you can add anything you want in, such as Pepperjam or any other networks. a lot of potential.

I did create a site where I replaced all of the adsense sections with banner ads from relevant Pepperjam affiliates - just because that's where they happened to be.

[Nerubriv]

Thanks Tricia.

Can this be used on addon domains? And do you know if php 5 is required?

[trishworks4u]

um - i don't know what php5 is so i'm going to say "no".

As for hostgator, I have them too and it's not recommended as a host to install cpmage on. You can, however, use the wp mage plug-in's to "pimp" blogs that are already installed (wp only) and hosted there. I have done that with no problem.

there are several recommended that are approx. $5/month that are shared hosts and work fine with the system. the idea is that you install cp mage on that shared host, use it for 30+ sites or so, and then move on and set up another hosting account with another cpmage install elsewhere and repeat.

[Doiron]

Mike M - WP Mage uses addon domains.

[Nerubriv]

Thanks for the info everybody. Now just gotta make a decision.

It's a lot of money, and I've invested in other high price items and been burned by them.

[zapseo]

Could someone please explain (yes, technical info is okay) why hostgator is not recommended -- and what is the feature of hosts that are recommended that makes them recommended ?

Thanks,

Judy Kettenhofen
copywriting, webmastering, script installs & more

[madmonko]

Hostgator reseller account is OK. Hostgator shared account is not recommended. So if you have hostgator reseller account CP Mage should work fine. As to why hostgator shared account is not recommend I have no data on. As Trish said there are other hosting companies that are recommended for shared accounts. At $5/month you can host 20 to 30 websites.

[Nerubriv]

Here is another I found:hogwildauctions.com

Are you sure that's a wpmage site. It's using the flixibility theme and phpbay pro for the auction listing.

[TelegramSam]

I have gone back to the beginning of this thread and read the whole thing again!!!

I am slightly dizzy but here are some questions:

1)

Firstly, what struck me early on was a rather vicious attack on Greg and WP Mage by AskLoz. He was really being ripped into. This ran for many postings and was about the apparent failings of WP Mage.

Later in this thread, with no explanation, AskLoz seems to be saying it is ok and he has suddenly built 1,600 sites with it. He seems to done a complete about-face.

What gives???

2)

Can WP Mage be used to create sites which pulls in content from other sites that you specify yourself. Here I am thinking of some of the many sites we already own that have content we own.

3)

What do users of WP Mage think of this idea:

We sell hundreds of our own physical products in our niches. Can we create sites and turn off adsense, EPN, Amazon and other similar monetization methods and just pimp/advertise our own products on the related sites we create?

In other words, use WP Mage to pull in relevant content around our products, but the montetization consists solely of selling our products.

4)

Are the people at WP Mage headquarters (Greg etc..) able to see what users are doing on their sites somehow? In other words is there any "secret" code in the software that deviously spills the beans on our efforts to the creators of the software?


I hope someone and or Greg can answer these questions.

Many thanks.

Sam

[rhj12345]

Has anyone used the Heatmap theme with this software?

[Doiron]

Well you folks are much more technically advanced than I am - which wouldn't be tough - so I can't offer any educated thoughts on footprints and Google slapping us around.

What I can say, is that using WP Mage, I built 11 sites in a couple of days and I think they look pretty good. I opted not to use the translation feature after trying it once and being a bit disappointed in the output. Mind you, I'm the type of guy who's amazed at the number of people who post on this forum, seemingly without proofreading their submission before clicking reply.

But I digress.

I think the two big things to do with the Mage is to take the time to alter the posts a bit, or at least the first few (maybe use WP Sticky), and not to post 10,000 articles per blog.

In my 11 blogs, I have a combined total of just over 15,000 posts. Now that may be all wrong and perhaps I'm not taking as much of an advantage with the software as I could. As I said, I'm not that technical.

But it's early days still, and I have no real knowledge as to the income potential of the product. My main concern is that I still may not have a good idea of that when the 30-day guarantee period ends. Mine will end three weeks from tonight and I'm sure that I'll know more than I do now - but will I be confident enough to bet a significant amount of money on it?

Kind of exciting, though.

[creativentrepreneur]

Originally Posted by Doiron

I think the two big things to do with the Mage is to take the time to alter the posts a bit, or at least the first few (maybe use WP Sticky), and not to post 10,000 articles per blog.

Excellent approach Doiron ... with this mindset, I'm sure your efforts will bear fruit in the mid to long term.

Look forward to hearing of your results on Day 30.

Andy

[Greg Jacobs]

Originally Posted by Joe118

Hi Greg (and everyone else) -- can you tell me a bit about footprints that are going to identify the Mage built sites to Google? I'm still recalling with horror what happened to BANS sites, how they started getting slapped by Google...

Just worried and its a chunk of money, so... If you have any opinion (or even better, facts) on this, please chime in.

After the site is built it is a Wordpress site - the mage is mostly removed and the content is hard coded just like you wrote it yourself. You can adjust it as you please with the modular templates. Since it is customizable -you can do 1000 little tweaks and make it completely orginial
(and ultimetly be left with a wordpress site with lots of content)

Originally Posted by zapseo

Could someone please explain (yes, technical info is okay) why hostgator is not recommended -- and what is the feature of hosts that are recommended that makes them recommended ?

Thanks,

Judy Kettenhofen
copywriting, webmastering, script installs & more

The mage usually works fine with Hostgator, but we jsut found from experince that they have many "burned" IP addresses meaning that lots of the IP's they give to their shared hosting accounts are banned from alot of webservices.

Most of the time it works fine though. So if you already have a HG shared account go for it!

Originally Posted by Nerubriv

Thanks Tricia.

Can this be used on addon domains? And do you know if php 5 is required?

yes php5 is required . (noobs dont worry, this is 99% of the time pre-installed so you dont even have to know what this means)

Originally Posted by TelegramSam

I have gone back to the beginning of this thread and read the whole thing again!!!

I am slightly dizzy but here are some questions:

1)

Firstly, what struck me early on was a rather vicious attack on Greg and WP Mage by AskLoz. He was really being ripped into. This ran for many postings and was about the apparent failings of WP Mage.

Later in this thread, with no explanation, AskLoz seems to be saying it is ok and he has suddenly built 1,600 sites with it. He seems to done a complete about-face.

What gives???

2)

Can WP Mage be used to create sites which pulls in content from other sites that you specify yourself. Here I am thinking of some of the many sites we already own that have content we own.

3)

What do users of WP Mage think of this idea:

We sell hundreds of our own physical products in our niches. Can we create sites and turn off adsense, EPN, Amazon and other similar monetization methods and just pimp/advertise our own products on the related sites we create?

In other words, use WP Mage to pull in relevant content around our products, but the montetization consists solely of selling our products.

4)

Are the people at WP Mage headquarters (Greg etc..) able to see what users are doing on their sites somehow? In other words is there any "secret" code in the software that deviously spills the beans on our efforts to the creators of the software?


I hope someone and or Greg can answer these questions.

Many thanks.

Sam

To answer your questions

1 - I gave Loz a demo so he actually saw how it works

2 - We are working on an addition to content mage which will work though pipes or RSS feeds so you can custom specify places to pull content. This is on our roadmap (yes we update alot and are not going away)

3 - Yes, I have one user who is specfically using the mage to build niche sites for the sole purpose of building his opt-in list. So you can do many things

4 -That is the last thing we would ever worry about. We have a mountain of tasks in front of us and even if we got some free time, I think we would rather use it to go to the beach for a day.

[TelegramSam]

Thanks for the reply Greg.

I am in.

Is it still available?

Sam

[afxx]

Greg, is the Mage still available for purchase?

[trishworks4u]

I still don't know what php5 is but, per Greg, yes it's required. lol.

my standard forum posting disclaimer ("i'm wrong all the time")

-to answer the question above, the Mage did close last night. Not sure if it will re-open or not soon.

perhaps there is a way to get in if you are signed up as an Adept member. Either way - sign up if it allows you to do so asap and it may reopen (soon).

[Doiron]

Perhaps most hosts use php5 but oddly, LunarPages uses 4.4.9. No good for the Mage. I can't even put WP Robot on it.

[afxx]

I just signed up to the free one yesterday & was going to do the full Master today....Oh well.

[Fendi Salim]

Glad the Mage system is closed!

Since this is a review thread, for those who've bought it, promoted it in your links, do update this thread with your results review in your blogs and in this thread as this is a review thread afterall.

I don't own it myself and along with many others would love to see success for any warrior. Best of luck to all Mages. The non-mages will still be on their way. Hum hum hum....

[jokarl]

Hmmm wont these kind of programs end up flooding the web with a lot of useless content? Either it will get banned or the web will get swamped?

[Doiron]

WendyT - WP Robot requires php5.

[cashtech29]

Well, here's my little review so far...
I'm still trying to find ways to get key words to fit my sites.
I don't use ebay, because they are lacking in humanity, in my humble opinion...
The two ways to get key words seem to be very lacking...

I have just erased my review until I can give it one more chance to work for me...
It wasn't a very good review, but I am still going to give it the benefit of the doubt...
Since I have spent so many hundreds of dollars on domains for this, I need to keep trying and not give up until
I know that it just won't work as a quality site system.

[cashtech29]

Okay, things are looking a lot better, now that I have done more
testing and changing some techniques.

Looks like there may be a light at the end of this tunnel.
Having made a few changes in my technique, I think this software is definitely
very well engineered.
Just have to have patience and perseverance when first starting out...

Moving forward...

[Frank Tocco]

Okay, things are looking a lot better, now that I have done more
testing and changing some techniques.

Looks like there may be a light at the end of this tunnel.
Having made a few changes in my technique, I think this software is definitely
very well engineered.
Just have to have patience and perseverance when first starting out...

Moving forward...

What did you differently that has you feeling encouraged?

[Frank Tocco]

Originally Posted by Greg Jacobs

Before I made the Mage, I used to do all these sites manually and use an assortment of scripts and programs, some homemade and some that have even been mentioned here.

The fact is that you can succeed (in theory) by following the MAGE Methods, but actually do it manually or via 3rd party implementation.

I suppose the only variable is time and do you want a system that is turnkey ready to go or do you have (LOTS) of time to glue various processes together (and of course the debugging) with the hopes to replicate what is already there.

So yes it can work in theory, bypassing the MAGE Software and just following the Blueprint, but it just depends at what value you place your time and how much skills and knowledge do you have for the implementation.

and...of course...... the Mage is Fun!

I have to agree with Greg on his point of the time savings this system offers. In fact, that´s one of the things that attracted me to the Mage system to begin with.

Sure, there´s plenty of plug ins that can do many of the tasks that his system can do and some are even free, but I place value on my time as much as my money.

I know how to repair an engine too but I would much rather pay someone to do it for me. If I didn´t have the money then of course I would repair my own engine. Likewise, if I didn´t have the money I would still find a way to build my business online using whatever tools I could get my hands on just like Greg and many other Warriors have done and will continue to do.

But tools are worth paying for if they make the job easier and that´s what this system is; a great tool. Any good tool in the hands of someone that knows how to use it pays for itself many times over and certainly I can see how this tool is Fun.

Linda also has some good point about cleaning up some of the pages to make them look better. That´s really a matter of taste. The beauty of the Mage is it´s SO flexible and just like carving a piece of wood into a work of art, so can we pimp out a site to look the way we want it to.

I can´t thank you enough Greg for putting so much value into the Mage. You over-delivered up front in the Adept level and continue to deliver in the Master Mage level.

Having all the tools right there on one page makes this Warrior´s life much easier and encouraged to build more sites.

Frank Tocco
Amazed Master Mage

[huntingman]

Hey guys,

Having read through the forum there seems to be many people asking what WPMage can do, whether or not you can use it for certain things etc - or if it's useful at all.

Well, I bought the Master Mage and have built 6 sites so far, playing around with the settings. It is far more than other autoblogging software or plugins.

Basically, Master Mage is as profitable, customizable and as useful as you make it.

If you want to follow Greg's outline and make lots of sites quickly monetizing with ebay - you can. There are plenty of people in the forums making a lot of money doing just that.

If you want to build niche mini-sites with original content and then add an 'archive' catagory with ten, a hundred or thousands of pages - you can.

If you have a profitable site in the weightloss niche, you can install WPMage and 'pimp' it with thousands of pages of content - drawing loads of long-tail visitors to your site and make money just as you do with your other pages.

If you have a profitable opt-in/subscriber list - you can build 10s of niche-topical sites and add an opt-in box to the sidebar.

You can translate the content from english to french and back to give your articles a unique spin - or not.

You can translate it from english to spanish and enter the spanish language market.

If you want to promote a profitable CJ offer - you can just plug-in a domain to CPMage, add keywords, click build and then log-in and add a CJ banner with any ad plugin you like.

You can spend a buck on a new .info and add 50,000 posts with amazon products.

You can spend a $1000 on an old high PR domain, build it up, add original articles, create a customized template, build more backlinks to it, and have WPMage backdate as many posts as you like and drip feed more everyday.

Personally I'm going to be making all kinds of sites with it. Some few hundred page adsense sites, some thousand page amazon product sites, and some huge multi-catagorical, many tens-of-thousands of page sites monetizing anyway I choose.

It really is like anything else, its a tool that is only as useful as you make it. Greg has created a system that you genuinely can make money by clicking buttons and making sites quickly.
But it is also more than that, as you can take each piece and turn it on, off or cutomize it (varying degrees of technical skills required) and make any kind of site you want.

I hope that helps anyone thats interested in what this does.

Take it easy, Alex ('machgroup' - WPMage Forum)

[Nakkers]

I am new to the warrior forums and seen your product for the first time over the weekend and would like to buy it but unfortunately it is now closed.

Does anyone have an estimate of when/if it will reopen for sale?

[The Copy Nazi]

I don't use ebay, because they are lacking in humanity, in my humble opinion...

I don't understand.

[marketsmart]

is anyone doing well just using adsense and amazon on their mage sites?

[Steve Crooks]

There is something about this thread that has really got me worked up. I have been biting my tongue to a large extent but sod it, here goes..

1. Why do people get seduced into paying mega huge bucks for a flashy system that effectively just creates thousands of crap duplicate pages of content on hundreds of sites?

2. When people have paid huge mega bucks for a flashy system they flog an affiliate page in their signature whilst claiming they have made a few bucks from their hundreds of trash sites. Is it true to say you will earn more as an affiliate?

3. What is this constant rubbish about saving time? Saving time for what? Saving time to not make any money? Saving time to make trashy websites that will get deindexed within weeks of going online! It's completely the wrong way to do things these days and anyone who tells you different is wrong or trying to flog you some new flashy system to "save you time" making money.

I guarantee that if everyone just took the time to build sites based on quality and NOT quantity you would see the benefits financially.

Originally Posted by Frank Tocco

I have to agree with Greg on his point of the time savings this system offers. In fact, that´s one of the things that attracted me to the Mage system to begin with.

Sure, there´s plenty of plug ins that can do many of the tasks that his system can do and some are even free, but I place value on my time as much as my money.

I know how to repair an engine too but I would much rather pay someone to do it for me. If I didn´t have the money then of course I would repair my own engine. Likewise, if I didn´t have the money I would still find a way to build my business online using whatever tools I could get my hands on just like Greg and many other Warriors have done and will continue to do.

But tools are worth paying for if they make the job easier and that´s what this system is; a great tool. Any good tool in the hands of someone that knows how to use it pays for itself many times over and certainly I can see how this tool is Fun.

Linda also has some good point about cleaning up some of the pages to make them look better. That´s really a matter of taste. The beauty of the Mage is it´s SO flexible and just like carving a piece of wood into a work of art, so can we pimp out a site to look the way we want it to.

I can´t thank you enough Greg for putting so much value into the Mage. You over-delivered up front in the Adept level and continue to deliver in the Master Mage level.

Having all the tools right there on one page makes this Warrior´s life much easier and encouraged to build more sites.

Frank Tocco
Amazed Master Mage

[Frank Tocco]

To Metronicity

I would have PM this to you but could not PM beacause I don´t have 50 posts yet.
Yes, I´m new on this forum.

LOL I´m certainly not an expert and no offense was meant by the comment. Please don´t publish it. Had I known it was yours I would have PMéd you instead.( but as we can see, I wouldn´t have been able to)

I should have thought that you already knew about the comments on WF about it. Just thought you might want to know about it.
i´m glad to hear your site is profitable and I see your point. We´re not making masterpieces here, we´re making money.
I will certainly remember this PM when making my own sites.
Once again, no offense meant and congratulations.

[Frank Tocco]

There is something about this thread that has really got me worked up. I have been biting my tongue to a large extent but sod it, here goes..

1. Why do people get seduced into paying mega huge bucks for a flashy system that effectively just creates thousands of crap duplicate pages of content on hundreds of sites?

2. When people have paid huge mega bucks for a flashy system they flog an affiliate page in their signature whilst claiming they have made a few bucks from their hundreds of trash sites. Is it true to say you will earn more as an affiliate?

3. What is this constant rubbish about saving time? Saving time for what? Saving time to not make any money? Saving time to make trashy websites that will get deindexed within weeks of going online! It's completely the wrong way to do things these days and anyone who tells you different is wrong or trying to flog you some new flashy system to "save you time" making money.

I guarantee that if everyone just took the time to build sites based on quality and NOT quantity you would see the benefits financially.

I´m sure people with the experience to find and piece the plug ins together and who already know about how to do that wouldn´t value the mage system as much.
All I´m saying is, I do have the money and don´t have the time. For me, it´s a good value.
I´ll probably take Linda´s advice and clean the sites up a bit before publishing them. I see her point of view on that but I also agree with Greg and metronicity in that the point of online marketing is well, marketing. If a site is making money, who cares what it looks like. I´m not that attached to the beauty of a site if it pulls profits.

Vah Gogh made beautiful paintings that he couldn´t give away while he was alive and Andy Warhol made stencils that sold for thousands of dollars while he was still alive.
I bet Andy was happier about that then Van was.

I mean look at Google´s site for example. It´s boring but does it give value? YES.
There were other free search engines before Google yet it dominates now.
Did it make money? Not at first but it sure does now. That´s the thing about value.
It´s subjective. One man´s trash is another´s treasure.

[creativentrepreneur]

Originally Posted by Frank Tocco

.... I mean look at Google´s site for example. It´s boring but does it give value? YES.

Frank,

You hit the nail on the head ... the website has to give value ... to the folks who visit it.

Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder....

Andy