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WP Mage or Site Profit Bot?

by dns7080
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Would appreciate all comments good or bad about these. Trying to decide which one. :confused:

Thanks,
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#bot #mage #profit #site
  • Profile picture of the author rhj12345
    WP Mage is closed. I got both and love WP Mage, will be getting a refund for Site Profit Bot. The mage is Wordpress, the Site Profit Bot is not. Lots of add on monthly charges with Site Profit Bot. I paid for the Mage one time. If the Mage opens up, get it.

    Hope this helps

    Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    site profit bot you can do things with it, just need to use a bit of creativity.
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    • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      site profit bot you can do things with it, just need to use a bit of creativity.

      Hey Loz,

      Howzit?

      On the large WP Mage thread, you seemed to rip into it early on. Then you seem to have changed your mind a bit about it.

      What do you think of WP Mage now that you appear to have used it a little.

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    I never changed my mind about it, I still have reserved thoughts about WP Mage.

    the concept behind it is ok, but what lets it down is the bandwidth hogging, the price, the bad article parsing, and the entire non-userfriendly interface. A side from the un-userfriendly interface, and the complexity of this script, it goes without saying there are going to be bugs, WP Mage can only get better from this point onwards.

    I've tried it, but uninstalled it as the performance for loading articles is terrible, up to 7 seconds for a page to load, and I'm on a Xeon quad core processor with a T1 backbone server.

    Site Profit Bot is not only user friendly, cheap, good for money, but it allows you to make a site in less than 3 minutes during your first time use, after that, one can get a site up and running in less than 60 seconds, including uploading time based on a 30 article page site.

    granted, the templates are crap. There should be some tutorial on how to do those better, but I guess if they tried that, then they wouldn't of had the upsell for the templates each month.

    I've opted in for the monthly templates, but only going to see what the next lot of templates are like, if they're still crap, I'll stop the monthly subscription and create my own that I'll give to people, highly onpage SEO optimized templates.

    Any way, at $67, one can't go wrong, turn around time to get that money back, i say within 4 weeks... WP mage to get the $597 - $1297 back, over a year.
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    • Profile picture of the author TelegramSam
      Originally Posted by askloz View Post

      I never changed my mind about it, I still have reserved thoughts about WP Mage.

      the concept behind it is ok, but what lets it down is the bandwidth hogging, the price, the bad article parsing, and the entire non-userfriendly interface. A side from the un-userfriendly interface, and the complexity of this script, it goes without saying there are going to be bugs, WP Mage can only get better from this point onwards.

      I've tried it, but uninstalled it as the performance for loading articles is terrible, up to 7 seconds for a page to load, and I'm on a Xeon quad core processor with a T1 backbone server.

      Site Profit Bot is not only user friendly, cheap, good for money, but it allows you to make a site in less than 3 minutes during your first time use, after that, one can get a site up and running in less than 60 seconds, including uploading time based on a 30 article page site.

      granted, the templates are crap. There should be some tutorial on how to do those better, but I guess if they tried that, then they wouldn't of had the upsell for the templates each month.

      I've opted in for the monthly templates, but only going to see what the next lot of templates are like, if they're still crap, I'll stop the monthly subscription and create my own that I'll give to people, highly onpage SEO optimized templates.

      Any way, at $67, one can't go wrong, turn around time to get that money back, i say within 4 weeks... WP mage to get the $597 - $1297 back, over a year.

      Hey Loz,

      Thanks for the detailed reply.

      I must admit I am disappointed because I was hoping WP Mage would be better than that. I guess there's no such thing as a free lunch.

      I should know that after all these years and have it etched onto my monitor.

      Still, automation and time-saving is still something to try for if possible.

      I am most surprised by your remarks about loading times.

      Once the sites are created, aren't they basically just using wordpress files etc..?

      Why do you the Mage way of doing things would impact so badly on load times?

      Also, I will relook at the other software you mentioned. Though it seems the creators want to tie people in to their "crap" template$.

      Thanks Loz.

      Please reply again.

      Cheers,
      Sam
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      • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
        based on the sample site profit bot sites i have seen, how do we remove the footprints of these sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author askloz
          load up the index.php page in dreamweaver, dreamweaver will also list all the php inlcudes, replace those php inlcudes in the index.php page over with the actual code and paste them in the index page to get an overall feel of how the site was built.

          then create your own template, and paste in the necessary php includes back in again.



          Originally Posted by my_addict_mind View Post

          based on the sample site profit bot sites i have seen, how do we remove the footprints of these sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author askloz
        Well, I've been trying to help Greg out, he's a nice chap an-all, so before ppl start to think I got a grudge, or what ever, they can leave that thought at the door mat, cos it could not be further from the truth.

        In fact, at some stage Greg and I are gonna merge site networks for WP Mage members to post out to over 50,000 websites to get back links from. That will take a while to get sorted out though... ssshh don't tell anyone



        Originally Posted by TelegramSam View Post

        Once the sites are created, aren't they basically just using wordpress files etc..?
        No. What's supposed to happen is the mage tags are added into the database. When the page is called upon by a visit to that link, it then calls to get the content; articles, yahoo answers, flicker, youtube, amazon, clickbank, etc, etc.

        All of this takes time. This is why the pages are not indexed fast enough, when google visits the page it gives up after X amount of seconds and comes back later when the page has been fully created by a human visitor.

        I gave Greg some suggestions to improve it.. ie

        if say the posts are set to a future date, to have the posts generated and stored into the database as one would do if they were to manually paste in an article and set the future post date themselves, one hour before the future date is met... this would increase the page loading times on the first visit.

        he suggested another way around after giving him this suggestion is to have a sitemap to be crawled by a service or a spider that's hosted on your site that only crawls your pages before any search engine or visitor gets a chance to visit the page.

        This will result in faster page indexing.

        Originally Posted by TelegramSam View Post

        Why do you the Mage way of doing things would impact so badly on load times?
        As mentioned above, it's calling on the data as when needed, ie, a visitor visit, and not storing the info before hand.

        Any ways, as time goes by and they get the time to work on the performance and the other suggestions, then without a doubt, it'll be worth way more than $1297.00
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethiccash
    I am usually far away from WF for a long time, but thought I need to add something.
    1) we don't think templates are crap or we would not provide them, simply check our demo website on the sales page and you'll see what I mena
    2) now askloz, there's a kind of misunderstanding somewhere :-)

    This is a copyrighted script and engine and noone is currently allowed to sell template, not speaking about giving them away :-) This system does not come with any rights allowing anyone to do so. You can create your own template for your own use, but you can't distribute it for obvious reasons. Only my company is authorized to sell and distribute these templates.

    See it that way: we update templates, we might release new versions with exta fields... so only our template will be compliant with the software they are attached to. In addition users will get the templates updated automatically when the launch the software... which is not possible with any 3rd party templates and which could be the source of many issues and damage the brand. Another reason why we do not authorize this as per the terms of your license.

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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      I am usually far away from WF for a long time, but thought I need to add something.
      1) we don't think templates are crap or we would not provide them, simply check our demo website on the sales page and you'll see what I mena

      JP, if you have been in customer relations for as long as I have, (20 years) you will come to understand its NOT what you think, it's what the customers think.

      And they are crap, sorry, but they are, you have no idea how to create SEO templates, you don't even know what SEO is, by the looks of these templates...

      I can help you out if you want bud... don't get wrong, I'm not knocking your software, I like it a lot, its just the templates are lousy and not seo friendly.

      If you want you and I can have a chat on Skype and I'll show you the RIGHT way to make a HIHGLY Onpage Optimized page.

      Just send me a PM and I'll give you my skype ID.


      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      2) now askloz, there's a kind of misunderstanding somewhere :-)

      This is a copyrighted script and engine and noone is currently allowed to sell template, not speaking about giving them away :-) This system does not come with any rights allowing anyone to do so. You can create your own template for your own use, but you can't distribute it for obvious reasons. Only my company is authorized to sell and distribute these templates.
      LOL, ok, slap me, but can't stop ppl from giving them away, if they create the templates themselves, they are not work of yours, they're work of the creator of the templates... IF someone gave away your templates after paying the monthly fee for the templates, then YES, I totally agree with you, that would be copyright infringement, but NOT when someone else creates the templates.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      See it that way: we update templates, we might release new versions with exta fields... so only our template will be compliant with the software they are attached to. In addition users will get the templates updated automatically when the launch the software... which is not possible with any 3rd party templates and which could be the source of many issues and damage the brand. Another reason why we do not authorize this as per the terms of your license.

      JP
      When you limit the the freedom to allow people to create their own templates, you're reducing your overall backend exposure of your service.

      Think about this from a marketing point of view.

      Pligg.com, they allow people to create templates. Some of these templates are given away for free. Some are paid for templates... the designer of the templates gets either paid for their work, or they can build a contact list which will be used to sell Pligg.com software...

      When you think about this type of leveraging marketing power, your services will be used by not 1,000's, but 10's of thousands...

      Take phpBB3 boards, Vbulliten boards, etc, how many users do they have? Over 100,000,and increasing by over 1,000 per day.

      Now, when you restrict the use of having ppl create these templates for themselves, OR to give them away, OR to sell them, you're limiting your exposure.

      You will make far more money at $67 than you would charging $267 for the resell rights... the resale rights are only to sell the site. Not to create the templates. No one said they would give away the software.

      Now, if your software is tied in to the main script, then yes, i can see the problem, so to get around this, I would work on a way to ensure that these templates can act like a smarty template system, which will be useless without the main site builder engine

      Any ways, if you want to chat JP, just hollar.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethiccash
    I know Loz, but it's not because people can steal away copyrighted material, post in on warez site that it has to become a business rule or common sense.
    Those templates must carry the site engine and they are tied together. Meaning a template without the script has no meaning. Which means that by giving away or reselling templates you're reselling part of the software solution. Which is not possible.

    Now I could give away everything and change the business model, but it seems this is the one I have chosen. I appreciate your efforts to show me there are other venues but these are not mines.

    If I wanted to sell that kind of licenses, then I would do it. Our company is supporting people using our software not some external smarty system based on our engine and that would probably never be supported if given away. This mess would be attached to our software and brand.

    There are our terms. And you don't have to accept them if you don't want of course. We are not into discussing whether you can find a way to game the system or not. If this is what you want to do, then this is not our game. We will kindly refund your purchase so that we agree on one thing at least :-)

    If you're willing to comply with the terms, then it's great. If you want to proceed giving away copyrighted material and infringing our rights, then it's your decision, but you then cross the a red line and this becomes a legal issue, not a business model issue.

    Thanks for your help about teaching us what SEO is, but it's a long time we have moved on from ten years old onsite SEO stuff to focus on working systems. We don't have the same approach. What matters is the result and what we generated with those sites, not adding h tags here and there to fool some sleepy search engine. I would gladly listen to you about SEO, but once again, we have results far more better than any other site system out there... so unless you show me better results of your onsite SEO factors, I would not discard years of research that easily.

    I would like to also propose a chat to go into more details about why you're wrong, but I am not available right now...

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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      Those templates must carry the site engine and they are tied together. Meaning a template without the script has no meaning. Which means that by giving away or reselling templates you're reselling part of the software solution. Which is not possible.
      Not true... It seems you're not understanding things properly, fair enough.

      A template can be made and will ONLY work if the engine is used in conjuction with it. I should know, I've worked with programmers for 15 years, I know what's possible and not possible. In fact we're working on a similar model.

      But if you want to think that you can't take out the php code in the templates that your engine uses to produce what I mentioned, then you got more studying to do.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post


      Now I could give away everything and change the business model, but it seems this is the one I have chosen. I appreciate your efforts to show me there are other venues but these are not mines.
      That's fine, if you want to earn peanuts, by all means, live off peanuts, no skin off my nose. I'm just giving you advice from a marketing point of view of which I have 12 years of, if you don't want to take on my advice, no worries.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      If I wanted to sell that kind of licenses, then I would do it. Our company is supporting people using our software not some external smarty system based on our engine and that would probably never be supported if given away. This mess would be attached to our software and brand.
      I did not say it had to be a smarty template system, i said SIMILAR!

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      Thanks for your help about teaching us what SEO is, but it's a long time we have moved on from ten years old onsite SEO stuff to focus on working systems.
      This is the same attitude Greg had...

      Why can't people do things properly the first time around, bets the monkies out of me.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post


      We don't have the same approach. What matters is the result and what we generated with those sites, not adding h tags here and there to fool some sleepy search engine. I would gladly listen to you about SEO, but once again, we have results far more better than any other site system out there... so unless you show me better results of your onsite SEO factors, I would not discard years of research that easily.
      If you think adding H tags is all it is about SEO, then you got a lot to learn.

      I doubt very much you got a system thats the best out there.

      Want proof?
      go to adsenseigniter.com and look at my adsense earnings, their 50x more than yours per month!

      How did I do it? By knowing what I am doing, by studying SEO to the fullest degree that most don't even bother thinking about. When you do something properly the first time around, the backend result of your earnings sky rocket to more than you can imagine.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      I would like to also propose a chat to go into more details about why you're wrong, but I am not available right now...

      JP
      No need if you're going to be stuborn about it... I only offered help to make your templates better as a solution to help your retention rate increase, but it seems you dont want that help...

      your loss.

      have fun. and good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethiccash
    Waow, Loz, I did not know you were making $3Mio a month with Adsense! Congrats on this, and you should definitely show me.

    That said, we all have our way of doing things: You claim you know better than anyone else, fair enough. May I claim the thing :-) ?

    Advices is not about saying: I know better than you, or I have 400 years of development... We have our research, our own results, our own systems. And we then market them. You have different approach, research, results, that's great. Just market it. It's not exclusive. Yours work, mine work. We're both happy.

    I know I can split template and engine, I just say it does not make sense for the model we have chosen and that we won't do it. And you have just no idea what you're talking about when you judge this model since you're not part of the strategy...

    I would advise you focus on development your trading robot and apply your advices to yourself first :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author askloz
      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      Waow, Loz, I did not know you were making $3Mio a month with Adsense! Congrats on this, and you should definitely show me.
      LOL, your video shows you're making $1,400 a month or so.
      So not sure how you got 3 million from a month by x50... i think if you want to do some maths, use your calculator.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      That said, we all have our way of doing things: You claim you know better than anyone else, fair enough. May I claim the thing :-) ?
      Get a attitude check, i was helping you out, no need for you to be argumenative, learn how to do customer relations, I'm your customer. I'm also a very well respected person on this forum when it comes to internet marketing and SEO, adsense, traffic generation. So yes, I do know more than most people on this forum cos I have had plenty of experience and test a lot of things out more than most do on this forum since I have the time to do so, most don't. Not blowing my own trumpet, but I do know what I'm talking about and those who have followed my friendly advice have made money - when they take action.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      Advices is not about saying: I know better than you, or I have 400 years of development... We have our research, our own results, our own systems. And we then market them. You have different approach, research, results, that's great. Just market it. It's not exclusive. Yours work, mine work. We're both happy.
      Listen, I gave you the option to make your templates better... they're crap, you don't know what SEO is, if you did, you'd apply it to your templates, just accept the fact you don't know what you're doing when it comes to SEO.

      Originally Posted by Ethiccash View Post

      I know I can split template and engine, I just say it does not make sense for the model we have chosen and that we won't do it. And you have just no idea what you're talking about when you judge this model since you're not part of the strategy...

      I would advise you focus on development your trading robot and apply your advices to yourself first :-)

      JP
      Like I said, it was advice, if you want to live on peanuts, that's fine, if you're happy, ok... no worries.

      have fun.

      peace.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethiccash
    Loz, even with evidence you must be right :-)
    Video shows $2000 a day but hey I guess it equates to $1,400 per month. My calculator might miss something :-)

    FUnny thing with you is that you want to prove you're right by claiming others are wrong, which is quite a funny aproach to me. I am just claiming my system work and that you have no idea what you're talking about when you're refering to this system.

    What I would like to hear is that you claim your system work and that you argue about this. But making a point just by saying you're right and the other is wrong is quite useless.

    But I guess we all have to Ask Loz whatever our issues are :-) Hopefully you're there to guide us all.

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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    J-P and Loz,

    I know you are both strong characters with strong opinions and I admire you both.

    Let's just make sure that this remains an exchange of ideas - and not personal remarks.

    With respect for you both.

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  • Profile picture of the author thinredline
    I purchased SPB on initial release and thought I can get my investment back much quicker than $1300 system. It does what it claims and hopefully I can start earning very soon. For the price I think it well worth the money.

    What I am worried about is that is this system tie to JP's central server? Meaning that once her server goes south and my sites will follow through? I am asking is because this is a blackbox and I don't know how it works.

    In terms of templates, what JP said might be true because sometimes ugly sites sells better so I cannot judge the templates based on their appearance.

    On thing I don't understand is that why it only pulls news and press contents from UK for my keyword. Is this because JP is located in Europe?

    What I am looking for from JP is more tutorial about how to maximize SPB's potential. The videos on the membership sites can be simply covered by two pages of instruction. It would also be beneficial if JP can set up a member forum so that users can exchange their experiences. Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author my_addict_mind
      if we cannot modify the templates to remove footprints, then i would have to pass this for now. i don't want to go the BANS way, build sites and get penalized by G.
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      • Profile picture of the author askloz
        You can modify them, what JP is saying you can't give them away or sell them.

        If you can't modify them, then Eric Holmlund broke the terms when he showed you how to modify the template.

        Originally Posted by my_addict_mind View Post

        if we cannot modify the templates to remove footprints, then i would have to pass this for now. i don't want to go the BANS way, build sites and get penalized by G.
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