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I'm Using Magic Article Submitter: Are The Other Article Submission Services Worth Using?

by magentawave
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I'm using Magic Article Submitter and have a few questions about other article submission services (that work with MAS) please...

1) I just started using FreeTrafficSystem.com's free system and was wondering if you really get about 700 backlinks per article from their paid-for system as opposed to only 120 from their free version?

2) And are the other article submission services that work with Magic Article Submitter (My Article Network, Article Marketing Automation, Unique Article Wizard) worth joining?

3) Is there a lot of overlapping to the article directories with those other article submitters when submitting to MAS's article directories?

Thanks
Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Trieu
    I have watched the video on MAR, and was very tempted to buy it. Mainly because it can auto confirm email accounts which I haven't seen in any other software yet. I actually like to hear some feedback on those who have use MAR and what they actually think of it.
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    • Profile picture of the author magentawave
      I just started using both MAR and MAS and in the last week have 546 articles published with 2936 still in review. A few years ago I tried a spinner and it was awful so I swore off using spinners until I kept seeing so many positive opinions on here about both of his programs. I just bought Magic Tokens yesterday for MAR and it is pretty awesome too. The cool thing is that neither of them require a monthly fee and if you stop using them you won't lose your backlinks.

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      Originally Posted by Teo View Post

      I have watched the video on MAR, and was very tempted to buy it. Mainly because it can auto confirm email accounts which I haven't seen in any other software yet. I actually like to hear some feedback on those who have use MAR and what they actually think of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    MAS only submits to one type of directory and the directories are pretty low level.

    I believe you will get much more traffic from a few high quality directories than hundreds of low level ones. It also will take months for many of these directories to approve your articles if they do at all so the drip feature is not something you need to be concerned with in my opinion.

    That said, if you want to mass submit to a ton of low level directories operating on the same platform MAS does a brilliant job and Alex (the creator) stands behind his product.

    BTW Steve, FTS submits to a variety of blogs and sites so I would not worry about overlap with MAS. The one thing you need to note about FTS is they throw in a random link at the end of your article (for people who have included their blogs in the system).
    The blogs and sites used vary but keep in mind some are from people who put them in there just to get the free extra link at the end of an article.
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    • Profile picture of the author ebizman87
      Originally Posted by LilBlackDress View Post

      MAS only submits to one type of directory and the directories are pretty low level.
      MAS claims that it can submit your article to 700 plus directories.Of course many of the directories will be junks.

      Assuming that only 5% of those directories are PR3 and above,you'll get about 35 high pr backlink with 1 article submitted using MAS.And you can also avoid duplicate content issue by using MAR.

      What if you submitted 10 articles? That's 350 HIgh PR backlinks
      No more linkwheels or blog commenting needed if you used this strategy well.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by ebizman87 View Post

        MAS claims that it can submit your article to 700 plus directories.Of course many of the directories will be junks.

        Assuming that only 5% of those directories are PR3 and above,you'll get about 35 high pr backlink with 1 article submitted using MAS.And you can also avoid duplicate content issue by using MAR.

        What if you submitted 10 articles? That's 350 HIgh PR backlinks
        No more linkwheels or blog commenting needed if you used this strategy well.
        1. There is no duplicate content penalty - It's a proven myth...

        2. PR means nothing and even if it did mean something, so what you posted on a site that google has claimed the index.php to be PR 3 - Your article pages are not PR 3, they are PR0 ..

        So unless that PR 3 site is building backlinks and advertising your article for you (which I know they are not, because I have only found one site that actually does that for it's authors) then you are wasting your money by using some service that claims to submit to high pr sites .. :p

        3. This high PR backlinks myth needs to be filed where the other myths are, in the trash bin. A link is a link no better or no worse than the other.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

    I'm using Magic Article Submitter and have a few questions about other article submission services (that work with MAS) please...

    1) I just started using FreeTrafficSystem.com's free system and was wondering if you really get about 700 backlinks per article from their paid-for system as opposed to only 120 from their free version?

    2) And are the other article submission services that work with Magic Article Submitter (My Article Network, Article Marketing Automation, Unique Article Wizard) worth joining?

    3) Is there a lot of overlapping to the article directories with those other article submitters when submitting to MAS's article directories?

    Thanks
    Steve
    Hi Steve,

    I don't personally think they are worth it, and over the last couple of months I believe they have lost alot of their alleged SE power.

    Plus, they say they will SUBMIT your article to hundreds of sites - not that it will be accepted and published by hundreds of sites.

    And I also believe that links from 3rd tier and bottom feeding article directories are becoming more and more worthless as time goes by.

    The search engines (which most article marketers depend on) seem to be going through a big change right now in regards to how they are gathering, grouping and ranking articles that are syndicated across the internet on article publishing platforms, news sources and directories.

    This is just my own personal opinion based on my own research and study.

    If you do decide to give it a shot, please let me know what kind of results you see.

    Respectfully,
    Allen Graves
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      A link is a link is a link is a link:

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      • Profile picture of the author magentawave
        Hey Jeremy, ANYONE that doubts the efficacy of back linking needs to read that article...and they were just a bunch of junk Chinese sites! Thanks for sharing that dude. How did you even find that page?

        MAS is totally kickin ass for me. I already have 564 articles published with 2910 articles waiting for review and I just started a little over a week ago with PLR articles I spun in MAR that was totally unrelated to the subject matter of my sites (I'm only in this for the backlinks). I've tried a few different methods of backlinking: Linkvana (Too expensive and time consuming), NextGenLinks (Cheap but totally ineffective as it delivers too many OUTGOING links from their system and you lose the few backlinks you get when you cancel), some social bookmarking WSO (Cheap but too time consuming), a tool that creates accounts for profile pages on forums (Awesome tool but still too time consuming) and spinning decent PLR with MAR and submitting with MAS seems to deliver the most horsepower for the least effort. Some of those methods I previously used I might still use once I hire a VA, but for now, the others weren't right for me.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

          Hey Jeremy, ANYONE that doubts the efficacy of back linking needs to read that article...and they were just a bunch of junk Chinese sites! Thanks for sharing that dude. How did you even find that page?

          Someone actually sent me a link to a thread on another forum which had that link posted.

          You would be amazed at some of the dead simple effective things you can do for backlinking.

          Mass article submissions
          Referrer stuff
          Mass Blog commenting
          Posting on abandoned photo galleries
          Posting on abandoned Guest Books

          None of the sites are quality - Yet, they all provide a significant boost in your rankings...the best part is, there is software to automate just about every task I've listed.

          I'm also willing to bet that those sites that were ranking had a couple buffer sites that got absolutely hammered with comment spam, forum spam links, etc...and the end page just benefited from some of the link juice that leaked through.

          SEO isn't nearly as hard as people would lead you to believe
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        A link is a link is a link is a link...
        So what I am hearing, and correct me if I am wrong, is that any link is the same as any other link?

        I have a website that sells dog food. Are you saying that links from 4 Chinese blogs are just as effective as links from AKC.org, Purina.com, Eukanuba.com and the dog food section at Petco.com?

        I would have a hard time agreeing with that.

        Getting thousands of unrelated links? - more power to ya. Heck, you made more money than me this year, LOL.

        But I can't help but think that its not going to work forever. Just like most of the other spammy traffic building techniques in the history of IM.

        And Jeremy, I am seeing it start already. I SO hope you have some contingency built up, bro. I don;t want to see you get slapped. But I know you're smart.

        JMO,
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        • Profile picture of the author magentawave
          Would you please share with us some of the backlinking methods that are no longer working? Remember the old reciprocal link directories?

          Steve


          Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post


          But I can't help but think that its not going to work forever. Just like most of the other spammy traffic building techniques in the history of IM.

          And Jeremy, I am seeing it start already. I SO hope you have some contingency built up, bro. I don;t want to see you get slapped. But I know you're smart.

          JMO,
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

          So what I am hearing, and correct me if I am wrong, is that any link is the same as any other link?

          I have a website that sells dog food. Are you saying that links from 4 Chinese blogs are just as effective as links from AKC.org, Purina.com, Eukanuba.com and the dog food section at Petco.com?

          I would have a hard time agreeing with that.

          Getting thousands of unrelated links? - more power to ya. Heck, you made more money than me this year, LOL.

          But I can't help but think that its not going to work forever. Just like most of the other spammy traffic building techniques in the history of IM.

          And Jeremy, I am seeing it start already. I SO hope you have some contingency built up, bro. I don;t want to see you get slapped. But I know you're smart.

          JMO,
          Allen
          I'm not saying one is better than the other...

          I'm saying that several recent examples have shown that it doesn't make a difference.

          Worst case - 10 crappy links is equal to one good link, maybe?

          Which do you think is easier to find...10 crappy ones or one really good one?

          Since I started Internet Marketing I've heard - Relevant - Relevant - Relevant...

          Well guess what happens?

          Some guy searches for hours a day for Relevant links and sees his rankings slowly rise...

          Some other guy builds a buffer site and spams the bejeezus out of it and sees his site rank 2 days later...

          I'm not saying one way is the right way and the other way is the wrong way...I'm just saying there are options

          On a very positive Note: I just found like 20 GREAT keywords on the chineese spam pages...lol...seriously, not only are these people spammers, but they appear to understand keyword research very well
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          • Profile picture of the author magentawave
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post


            Some other guy builds a buffer site and spams the bejeezus out of it and sees his site rank 2 days later...
            Can you please give me an example of a "buffer site" and how that works?

            Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
              Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

              Can you please give me an example of a "buffer site" and how that works?

              Steve

              Build a one or two levels away from your money site (squidoo, hubpages, Xanga, Zimbio, etc etc, and get as many links as you can pointing to it. Good links, garbage links, doesn't matter. Just get a **** ton of links. Since it's pointing to your site or to another site that points to your site, it will boost your site up. Other wise known as a buffer site
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              • Profile picture of the author magentawave
                I had never heard that term before but I get it. Any advantages to building buffer sites over submitting articles to article directories -- or is it just one more way to build backlinks.

                Steve
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                • Profile picture of the author richdirtygirl
                  Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

                  I had never heard that term before but I get it. Any advantages to building buffer sites over submitting articles to article directories -- or is it just one more way to build backlinks.

                  Steve
                  coming back to that lil word: relevance... :p

                  the buffer zone properties are usually high pr properties or properties raising (to find them, follow the viagra path )

                  now Google ranks pages, not properties. So your page in, lets say, squidoo, will not have any weight unless you feed it with links.

                  But, a squidoo page has more chances to get to first page than your site, so what we do following master Howie, is to overcharge those pages in authority sites and have those sites point to your site.

                  the first page of google has 10 spots? if you have 10 of your buffer zone props dominating that page and pointing to your site, even if your site is in page 1000001, where do you think the traffic will end up?

                  this system also protects you from having your own site deindexed or sandboxed for messing around (of course nothing is sure in google land)... if your squidoo page gets sandboxed or deindexed... oh well... you have plenty of other options to replace it.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                    Originally Posted by richdirtygirl View Post

                    coming back to that lil word: relevance... :p

                    the buffer zone properties are usually high pr properties or properties raising (to find them, follow the viagra path )

                    now Google ranks pages, not properties. So your page in, lets say, squidoo, will not have any weight unless you feed it with links.

                    But, a squidoo page has more chances to get to first page than your site, so what we do following master Howie, is to overcharge those pages in authority sites and have those sites point to your site.

                    the first page of google has 10 spots? if you have 10 of your buffer zone props dominating that page and pointing to your site, even if your site is in page 1000001, where do you think the traffic will end up?

                    this system also protects you from having your own site deindexed or sandboxed for messing around (of course nothing is sure in google land)... if your squidoo page gets sandboxed or deindexed... oh well... you have plenty of other options to replace it.

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                      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                      QFT

                      Nailed it
                      what is QFT??

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                      • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
                        Hi,

                        Some very good points made in this thread.

                        I always tell people that you can learn more in 1 day of looking at people's back links in Google than a lifetime of reading e-books from self proclaimed gurus.

                        As an example I was researching some designer close keywords the other day and I noticed the number 1 spot on the keyword that was there a couple months before.

                        This site was on a pretty competitive little keyword. The site had about 2000 backlinks or so.

                        So me being the nosy little internet marketer I am I started researching the back links. It turns out almost all of the links where coming from photo fan sites. These sites where just just photo sites. The only content on the sites was pictures and spam back links to their product sites.

                        Each site had a little slide show and probably a hundred spam back links to all their products.

                        Absolutely no content and no relevance on the site at all!

                        So you would thinks that none of their products would rank because no relevant links.

                        Ha! Ha! You would be wrong.

                        Almost all there anchor texts where ranking on first page of Google for their respective keywords.

                        What was interesting was that the fan site was hosted on a free fan site hosting platform and you could download free software to run the fan site. This spammers had hundreds of these fan sites set up.

                        Just makes you wonder where the all knowing Google is to let this stuff go on. It even makes you wonder if they even care it is going on. Considering it would be impossible to hide it.

                        I have run across dozens of scenarios like the one above, that an ambitious marketer could seize.

                        Just something to think about.

                        So when a guru starts telling you to get relevant links to rank just agree with them but for heaven's sakes keep one hand on your wallet.

                        The real education is out there in your competition's back links, and it doesn't cost you a penny.

                        Later,
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          • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            I'm not saying one is better than the other...

            I'm saying that several recent examples have shown that it doesn't make a difference.

            Worst case - 10 crappy links is equal to one good link, maybe?

            Which do you think is easier to find...10 crappy ones or one really good one?

            Since I started Internet Marketing I've heard - Relevant - Relevant - Relevant...

            Well guess what happens?

            Some guy searches for hours a day for Relevant links and sees his rankings slowly rise...

            Some other guy builds a buffer site and spams the bejeezus out of it and sees his site rank 2 days later...

            I'm not saying one way is the right way and the other way is the wrong way...I'm just saying there are options

            On a very positive Note: I just found like 20 GREAT keywords on the chineese spam pages...lol...seriously, not only are these people spammers, but they appear to understand keyword research very well
            Gotcha,

            Funny - we are both on the same page, but different sides of the spectrum.

            You an I started at relatively the same time, we've both become successful and we both teach others how we do it - but we do it on each side of the coin.

            That goes to show you how, as you said, there are different ways to do things in IM. What works for some, doesn't work for others, and vice versa.

            I love it.

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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

              Gotcha,

              Funny - we are both on the same page, but different sides of the spectrum.

              You an I started at relatively the same time, we've both become successful and we both teach others how we do it - but we do it on each side of the coin.

              That goes to show you how, as you said, there are different ways to do things in IM. What works for some, doesn't work for others, and vice versa.

              I love it.

              Allen
              I think we are on the same page more often that both of us know
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              • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
                Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

                I think we are on the same page more often that both of us know
                Yea - I thought so too. Maybe we should put our stuff together and see what happens!

                We could call it "Black and White" and when you load the sales page, "Ebony and Ivory" would start playing. LMAO

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          • Profile picture of the author Branlan17
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            I'm not saying one is better than the other...

            I'm saying that several recent examples have shown that it doesn't make a difference.

            Worst case - 10 crappy links is equal to one good link, maybe?

            Which do you think is easier to find...10 crappy ones or one really good one?

            Since I started Internet Marketing I've heard - Relevant - Relevant - Relevant...

            Well guess what happens?

            Some guy searches for hours a day for Relevant links and sees his rankings slowly rise...

            Some other guy builds a buffer site and spams the bejeezus out of it and sees his site rank 2 days later...

            I'm not saying one way is the right way and the other way is the wrong way...I'm just saying there are options

            On a very positive Note: I just found like 20 GREAT keywords on the chineese spam pages...lol...seriously, not only are these people spammers, but they appear to understand keyword research very well

            I think many of us appreciate your very real and honest input. Honestly, you're told to do a million things from day one and only about half of them (maybe less) are going to be feasible or realistic.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Originally Posted by Branlan17 View Post

              I think many of us appreciate your very real and honest input. Honestly, you're told to do a million things from day one and only about half of them (maybe less) are going to be feasible or realistic.
              Keep in mind.....

              Many of the things you are told, especially in the IM arena are nothing more than "ideas" and regurgitated trash.

              Person A reads make money online book

              Person A rewrites it in his own words and sells it

              Person B Buys it

              Person B does the same thing

              Over time, things get said so frequently that everyone starts to think they are true...

              So, you really have to pay attention and look for real world and visible case studies to determine what works and what doesn't.

              I could point so many things out that fall in the same path as what is being discussed here - But I won't because it will only reduce the thread to an argument.

              By the way, are you the same Brandon that was in the chat last night?
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    Originally Posted by magentawave View Post

    I'm using Magic Article Submitter and have a few questions about other article submission services (that work with MAS) please...

    1) I just started using FreeTrafficSystem.com's free system and was wondering if you really get about 700 backlinks per article from their paid-for system as opposed to only 120 from their free version?

    2) And are the other article submission services that work with Magic Article Submitter (My Article Network, Article Marketing Automation, Unique Article Wizard) worth joining?

    3) Is there a lot of overlapping to the article directories with those other article submitters when submitting to MAS's article directories?

    Thanks
    Steve
    I use Brad Callan's free article submitter, surprisingly named Article Submitter. I also use Article Marketing Automation and definitely recommend it for increasing backlinks to your site. However, they do seem to be having some issues with customer support at the moment. They've brought a new company on board who are trying to catch up on the 2-month backlog.
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