how2guy

Get ready for another big promo coming your way for 2010.

Has everyone else been getting bombarded with emails about this amazing new video?

This brand new video takes you inside an unusual
business that's bringing in $14,121.97 per DAY
doing CPA marketing

I must of already received 10 to 15 emails about this 'amazing must see video", and I believe many of these people don't really know who Amish Shaw really is or what he does...but still they are so eager to promote his system that they know nothing about.

This whole "internet marketing whoring" thing is just getting so old with me. And hey, I have nothing bad to say about Amish, because this guy obviously knows his stuff when it comes to CPA marketing.

My beef is that I'm getting the same damn 'scripted' emails from people that have no business talking about this opportunity because they don't even know freakin about Amish or the cpa market themselves, but they feel so compelled to let us know about this 'great new and exciting video' that they miraculously found online, and they just couldn't wait to share this valuable information with us!

Please, please, please to all of you so called IM gurus out their with lists...can you please stop whoring yourselves out? The least you can do is change up the email that Amish gave you so you don't look so stupid!

Tobey

Woody C

I, too, got 4 e-mails about this yesterday...and all of them were the EXACT same scripted message (ok, the first line was different) with the EXACT same e-mail title.

I'm also guessing this is also what I paid $9 to receive in the mail from Frank Kern. If it is, then I won't be a happy customer because I already have Core Influence.

I wonder what Amish's "CPA Magic Bullet" System can teach us that can't already be learned on the Warrior Forum or in much cheaper WSOs.

Anyone know anything about this?

George Stavrakakis

It is a 6 week CPA class plus software.

Price: $2,997

WD Mino

Good points it is a cookie cutter email it is one provided for promotional purposes . I always used to get a kick out of them one after the other my friend this and my friend that.

I mean most of the time you know right away they are full of it but some of them get creative. I just unsubscribe from them personally I have better things to do then get in on the "latest and greatest cr@p" It is humorous though
-WD

TelegramSam

I don't know if I'm mistaken or not. But one thing that made me chuckle was that this was the guy that people were touting as making $100,000 a day in some other promotion a few months ago.

In fact he had done it once maybe twice in the whole year and was actually averaging sales of about $14k a day and about 15% profit after expenses etc...

No slight on the guy himself as he may not have bragged about the 100k a day, but it just goes to show how these whole launches can be exaggerated.

Another interesting observation is how they seem to be positioning this towards the average Joe by suggesting earnings of $200 a day, which is probably more "haveable" for most people.

Gladiator

I have a suggesting, why don't all this so called "Gurus" just use the WSO section and forget about all this emailing and then getting you to opt in again! :-)

Andre

WD Mino

Hmmm yeah great point Sam they do seem to be targeting more "believable amounts" at the average person humouros but sad
-WD

WD Mino

And that friends is why we have so much crap in the wso section as of late

that mentality is just evident all over.

thanks for the reminder of how sick this business can be
-WD

Woody C

I feel the same way about most of the WSOs, as well. It seems that all you need is one good day or one good week, then you can sell a product about how you made a good bit of money once.

teddy67

I got a JV invite from this guy saying all the great things about this product. I could see red flags all over this product. First of all he claims that he wants to help people yet he will charge nearly $3,000 for his product and have a high monthly membership price.

Then he also claims that he giving away a piece of software that does everything for you and can get you six figure paydays? This is another red flag. Also no where does he say how much he spends on advertising to get these big paydays.

I think this is going to be a big waste of money and a system that just sets people up for failure.

thefuture

OOOOOOOOO MMYYYYY!! iam sooo happpy that i sawwww this wall!!!!

Dexx

That's my biggest issue with most the Guru claims.

davemiz

guys who cares how much he spends? i figure 50% goes to ads.... but 2.5 mill is A LOT of cash.... especially for an affiliate who just sends traffic and gets paid.

thats a LOT less work than being the merchant.

and who cares if he made 100k just 5 times. thats a huge feat, have you done it even 1 time?

you guys are focusing on the wrong things.

if i'm looking at a course/program, the only thing that matters is can these ppl teach YOU what they do and can you apply it.

thats it.

everything else you guys are rattling off is nonsense guys.... who cares about all that other stuff... and guys you're bitching about being marketed to but you're supposed to be marketers.... thats pretty lame.

if you dont like it unsubscribe and stop whining.

personally i see this and try to learn from it and see what i can take into my marketing.

i was at the live event and i have a 3 ring binder thats probably 3 times as big as ANY other marketing event i've been to in the last 6 years...

lots of the stuff was new to me.... i took a TON of notes... the biggest takeaway i got, aside from specific strategies/tactics was THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX.

hard to explain unless you were there...

it was one of the BEST marketing events I've been to hands down.

Amish and Jay are the real deal and if the course is half as good as the event was, i'm sure everyone will be very pleased (and make some money).

Black Hat Cat

Do you need someone to tell you the sky is blue too? I think it's safe to say he spends a lot. On his pre-launch blog, he says his margins are about 50%. But does he really have to tell you he spends a lot to make $14,000 a day? Isn't that a given? Common sense should tell you he's not making it by spending $100.00 a day.

The reality is he spends a lot of money to make a lot of money, but no one says you have to play at that level. Spend $10 a day to make $10 a day if that's what you're comfortable with, and grow as you can. However, if you want to make big bucks like he claims he is making, it's gonna take money. Welcome to the real world.

I won't be buying his course, but I have to give him credit. He revealed 3-4 live campaigns in his video that are still running right now. Talk about a refreshing change from the typical super guru claptrap of "I can't show you one of my sites because my business will be ruined if somebody copies the site" nonsense.

silverbax

These guys are the real deal. You can't spend even $100 a day at a loss forever...the idea that someone is spending 1K or 10K a day and can't make a profit is only for big companies going out of business.

michaelr7

When it comes to making money with CPA, Amish Shah is the real deal.

Over 90% of all PPC to CPA courses - even the high priced ones - are either flawed or are outright scams.

This fellow is a class act. If this course is half as good as the live seminar he held, this course would be a steal.

Michael

Gotembakan

The question I always have with programs that promise you the riches of Solomon is, if true, why is the creator of such a "secret" so desperate to put it in the hands of as many people as he can. If he is, in fact, making that much money himself with this "Magic Bullet" then why would he need to sell it and allow others to saturate the market with it? Perhaps he is one of those rare souls who cares for the welfare of his fellow human beings, well, human beings that are involved in IM. I suppose he could be the Mother Theresa of Internet Marketing, but I have my doubts. I think for a price tag close to $3,000 it's quite healthy to have some degree of skepticism. And at that price tag he only needs to grab a few of us to buy his next house.

Sean A McAlister

It's apparent that you have not watched the video's in their entirety especially the last one that was released because Amish CLEARLY shows what he is spending on Advertising. AND BTW....the software ROCKS!

As I mentioned in a previous thread about this subject...if you don't have all the info then don't make wild false claims.

The problem is not the "scripted' emails.....there is an easy solution for that......UNSUBSCRIBE ...... The real problem is people making up stuff and twisting information that stirs controversy and opens a soup kitchen for other un-informed folks to chime in with complete inaccuracies and non-sense.

I have no issue when someone is trying to gain solid information on a product and educate themselves for a purchasing decision....but to spew negativity as a result of not knowing what you are talking about is just ignorant.

The FTC needs to come out with guidelines preventing this type of Mis information by people.

Gary_The_Ace

Hey,

Anyone saying that he doesn't discuss the ad spend is crazy ... in his example videos, he clearly spells out the ad spent, to the penny. All the videos about the smiley campaign talk about the numbers and are, as I said, down to the penny on profit, ad spend, clicks, keywords, landing pages, you name it.

It's be damn near impossible for him to release any more information on the campaigns without you being there in person, and asking him for some odd stat ...

But, who cares what he's spending? Does it even matter?

If he spent $50,000,000 to make $5,000,000 ... he still made $5,000,000. Or, 10% ...

There's a secret perk of having a high ad-spend though, and that's the fact that you split the spend between as many credit cards as you can get that have rewards and incentive programs. Most of the guys I know with Amex Black cards have them because of their ad spend ... and, they get crazy perks just for using the card. They're also flying everywhere first-class, getting free hotel rooms, show tickets, concierge service, etc, etc, etc ...

And finally, Amish has stated that he started out with a $10.00 ad spend himself ...

Honestly, anyone worrying about the ad-spend can't afford the cost of the program anyway. I'd guess it's going to be at least two grand ... so you should figure on having at least that available on an ad-spend on top of the course.

This is a business people ...

Gary Ambrose

mjzivko

I got the same email about 4 or 5 times in the past couple of weeks.

I have done some research on Amish Shaw, (funny I have a friend by the same name) and he seems to offer a good product.

But here is my take all these Guru's. If they have developed such a stellar system that they are making a killing everyday, why are they so eager to sell it to everyone else?

I can tell you that I personally have strategies that are 100% unique to me, and I would never sell to anyone, let alone try to sell it to everyone!

Amish Shaw does have a very good rep in the internet Guru world. And maybe his course would help someone make some money. But for me, I have spent enough money on "Guru's" and software to make me beleive that its not for me. Especially when I am spammed with these offers. It really puts any chance of me doing it right out the window.

topskyca

Now its time to think twice what the gurus taught you: list segmentation, relationship nurturing - probably they themselves don't care enough to do that .

and they don't even can't come out a different "whoring" strategy - they just take the straight line for quick bucks.

but wait... the other side of the coin is - you are probably NOT going to purchase through their links anyways, you are not the target buyer, so, it became a number game for them. they won't care if you unsubscribe.

anyways, by being on these lists you can put your pulse on whats happening on the internet - the whoring noise is a small price you have to pay.

as for Amish, a brilliant guy, with creative thinking - being creative is the BEST way to make big bucks in CPA. I personally believe he has something to offer. but the price tag maybe to high for beginners - eventually, no training can get you there except your own actions.

miami

This is a great topic!

I AGREE that you can unsubscribe easily as I have from (most) all the lists..

I AGREE that Amish has what looks to be a killer product. (You have to watch the videos!)

I LOVE watching Frank Kern teach me how to launch a product. (For free BTW)

And I am an affiliate but I don't email. And I don't give products, lessons, DVDs or anything else for bonuses. But I do make it well worth the 'business'. (PM me if you are thinking of buying it.)

All I want to do is pay for the product! (Well - I would take more if given!) hehe

Did I learn from Mass Control? Yes. Product Launch Formula?Yes Stompernet? Yes.

I think of it like paying for Internet marketing college...

A Bary

Well, that's why some marketers are offering their first born as a bonus for it

A Bary

I don't know why people are whining about the price!!!

He is selling it for $3000, or for $10,000!!! what's your problem??

If you can afford it, well, congrats, if not, then why bashing about the price??

I have to say, for the first time, I saw pre launch videos with real solid proof for income, with clear information about the money spent and the money gained (don't know why people are keep saying he is not showing how much he spends, because he did!!!!)

from my side, I won't buy his course, because I learned a lesson over years, that the trial and error is the best way to learn in this business, I better spend these $3000 bucks on advertising, and I will learn alot ...

my 2 cents

Gotembakan

It is true that anyone who has not actually purchased the product is not in a very good position to review it or offer an educated analysis of it. But the question remains, as was stated earlier, why would someone with such a powerful system, a system claimed to be a virtual money machine that prints money as soon as you set it up, want to share it with all of us?

It reminds me of all those stock picking gurus who promise you that if you just subscribe to their newsletter or buy their software for several thousand dollars then you can quit your day job and buy a villa in the South of France. If these guys are generating that kind of money with their system then why do they want or need to sell it? Is it simply to help us, total stangers, be able to buy that villa in the South of France as well, or is it because the the virtual cash printing press they claim to have created is not generating enough cash for them?

Just an honest question which should be asked by anyone who is contemplating handing over thousands of dollars for what purports to be something akin to Aladdin's lamp. Again, the product may be very good, but such claims of instant wealth should always be met with some skepticism to protect us from becoming part of the crowd that actually bites and swallows the claim. As P.T. Barnum instructed any would be promoter nearly 150 years ago, "Every crowd has a silver lining", we need to make sure we are not just some other promoter's silver lining for a product that does not live up to its promise. We can save a substantial amount of money in the process.

Rock7

Check out "Big Question #1" in the latest video.

bminor

As to the often stated question in connection with big product launches (not only in this thread): "If it is so good, why does he sell it and create competition for himself?":

I don't know Amish, so can't say what his motive is, but I would know one other than fraud (actually nothing else is inferred by these questions).

I had a very successful "system" in a completely different area of life (you could classify it as marketing but not for money) and I could achieve what many wanted but couldn't achieve. I did keep it secret as I didn't want "competition" but on the other hand I had a very hard time to withhold it. I knew telling it would have earned me a lot of recognition if not admiration.

Getting recognition or admiration is a very strong motive and can be stronger than earning more by keeping off potential competition.

If Amish does earn up to a hundredthousand a day, why should he care about competition? One guy in this thread describes him as very creative. Creative people tend to not whine about the scarcity of things so much ("Oh my god! There are only so many potential customers in this niche. If there will be one more competitor I won't make enough money anymore!"). They rather have the confidence that they can always find other ways to make money or other niches.

Per the video Amish developped this system and software already quite some time ago. After having made a lot of money with it, maybe he now is at the point where he doesn't care about even more money so much but rather would like many people rave what a great product he created and how much he helped them with it.

And as an additional answer for these suspicious "if it's so good, why does he sell it"-guys, another question: If Amish became a (multi-)millionaire by honest CPA-marketing (at least it was not yet disputed that he is a honest marketer) why should he go through all this work and fuzz of a big product launch when he doesn't have a honest product to offer?

PS: I guess the inevitable next question by some will be "If he does it for admiration why doesn't he give it away for free?". I suggest you answer this for yourself.

ComradeChen

From what I see they are only offering the product to 500 people initially because that's all the room they had for their courses. (their words not mine)

I don't know what their intentions are, but maybe if the product is solid and gets good reviews, it'll help their rep as internet marketing gurus?

Frank Kern is promoting the product heavily and putting his reputation on the line so it's got to be worth something.

It's either a $3000 one time payment or $800 monthly for 4 weeks.

Personally I'm really debating at this point whether to get it or not, so if someone knows some good info about this that will help me make my decision, let me know!

Steve Iser

A cpl months ago Amish & I talked about some scripts we use in our biz. I told him about this idea I had that I was developing for myself - to which he replies "We already do it".

That thing was Magic Bullet.

In other wards, GET IT.

ComradeChen

So you would recommend getting the Magic Bullet System?

I'm pretty new to the internet marketing scene, been around a month, and have been looking for something that will work.
To me, it seems like the most profit potential is in CPA/PPC/paid advertising so that's what I'm focusing on now.

lol Steve, I tried to pm you but apparently I need 50 posts before being able to do that.

emathieu

The main reason why Amish would be willing to share this system is because the vast majority of people who are going to purchase this can NOT get accepted into most CPA networks. The people purchasing it are just getting started, and are not ready to get in there with the big dogs yet. And guess what? Amish just so happens to run a CPA network, and he WILL accept anyone who purchases into it.

This way, Amish will make money on the back end, and the students will begin to learn CPA marketing with a real CPA network that they can also make actual money in. Once they can get enough experience under their belts, then they can take it to the next level.

It seems that a lot of "internet marketers" have gotten to be very negative in recent years.

I'm always perplexed when I see people who claim to want to be online business people complain about someone's pricing, or immediately think that everyone is a scam artist.

Would you feel the same if you were the one able to command $3,000 for your information? I doubt it. Stay positive and focus on what you CAN do and not what you can't. I realize that $3K is a lot of money for most people. I'm actually not in a position right now to purchase Amish's system right now either. But I'm certainly not going to slam him for being able to command what he's charging for it.

PMB

$2997 is some serious coin for a 6 week course! I assume the software is the real reason why the course is almost 3k? I have seen the videos and these guys do seem to be the real deal. The core influence video in itself to me was enough to see that these guys know there stuff. Just my opinion.

Andy Hart

LOL who's that?? (Amish Shah)

Gotembakan

There is no doubt that those who know Amish personally or have worked with him in the past have the advantage when it comes to deciding whether or not to spend the $3,000 on this product.

For those of us who don't know him, however, a great deal of faith is necessary to spend this kind of money up front. What I would like to see is a real, objective review of the product, not commentary from someone promoting it or a nasty rebuttal to what someone has written here from a fan of Amish, but a real concrete review, something on the level of a Consumer Reports piece on, say, a household appliance or a car. This thread shouldn't be a tit for tat exchange between those who have no idea who Amish is and those who think he is some kind of Wunderkind. I think I am like most here who are just looking for an honest, non-promotional review of this very expensive product.

Wouldn't we do at least that basic level of research before buying a new television or any other expensive gadget? Who among us would go out and buy a 42-inch plasma TV, or any other product, for a few thousand dollars without at least consulting some objective review of the product? In the absence of such an objective review, does anyone know if there will be a trial offer or money-back guarantee on the course?

emathieu

While I can't provide a review, as I don't have access to the software (I wish I did), Amish has stated that he will refund 100% of the money to anyone who asks even after they have taken the full 6 week course, no questions asked. No "Well, you didn't actually try to implement the system so you can't have your money back" like some people have had to deal with. Of course, I'm sure the person asking for the refund also loses all access to the software system, which for me would be the real value in purchasing. There's some decent CPA lessons out there for free, the software is the real driver here IMO.

ComradeChen

Is the 100% refund guarantee legit?
There are a lot of companies that say they have a no hassle refund policy and then give you a load of crap when you actually ask for the refund.

Nicholas William

well for the amount of buzz going around the web for Amish's magic bullet system I thought there would be alot more discussion happening here.

I wanted to contribute with 1 pro and 1 con for the magic bullet system.

The first pro I wish to mention, and believe me there are MANY different benefits for this program, but the first one is the covert recon section of the software. Everyone here will be familiar with niche research and competitive analysis, so we're not learning anything new there... but Amish's software has this amazing 'magic' tab that shows demographic information. DUDE, that is gold!!!

So not only can you view if the target audience in that niche is able to spend money on your CPA deal, but it gives you guidance for compiling a customer profile. Once you know your customer, it is MUCH easier to sell to them and offer what they want.

I wish I knew how they get this data, coz I'd love to integrate that into my process for doing research & analysis!

Okay now for the con: this magic bullet software is designed to identify then setup campaigns... campaigns that purchase traffic... which requires a marketing budget. I dont think that critical part is emphasized in the sales video, so although it's not exactly a downside to the software, it definitely is something that people need to consider if they are thinking of buying the magic bullet system. It saves you time on campaigns, if you're already doing large amounts of campaigns... if you setup like one CPA deal per week then you might be better spending your money on traffic, as it wont really save you much time. This is best suited to the big guys with teams of people and large budgets, then they can really leverage the software.

I've written about this on my blog with a post on what everyone needs to know about the magic bullet system. Stop by to read more or leave your comments if you wish

So to conclude... I love what Amish has developed, the offering is great and there is an amazing amount of value in it for just $2997 but think about how it will help you and if you have the dollars to spend on traffic once you buy the software

profitgenerator

I've been bombarded with these emails too. I'm not purchasing it, as I'm committed to another project for awhile.

I'm under the impression that the $3,000 for this 6-week course "with the software", does not include any ongoing use of the software after the course is over. At that time, there is probably an upsell involving a monthly fee to continue using the software. That might also have something to do with the full refund guarantee that is extended untill the end of the 6 weeks.

For those that are interested, do you know if there will be an ongoing monthly fee for the software?

profitgenerator

Nicholas,

Why don't you go to offervault.com and look at the cpa offers. Each one has a button next to it that shows you the demographics for the offer. Cool stuff! Or, just go directly to quantcast.com and check it out anytime.

Aj Wilson

Hey guys...

I just purchased "TheMagicBullet" from the "Suprise Early Testing Email" and waiting login details...
(apparently it takes about 4 hours).

The cost is One Time Payment $2997
Or 4 payments of $797

There's a (Totally Optional) Upsell for a Mastermind Club for $297 per month. First Month Free.

I'll post an honest review once I crank out a campain...

Hopefully before the full launch tomorrow so you guys might be able to make
a more informed decision.

The main feature(s) that hooked me is the ultra fast keyword/competition research ability and
the landing page/blog creation in ONE simple step by step place.


and also the ability to TEST paid campaigns to focus quickly, efficiently
then automatically weeding out the losers...

to focus on the winners (where you would then concentrate your efforts on FREE Traffic, instead of paid).

Overall sounds like great software to have.

Looking foward to sharing the results with you guys.

Talk soon!

- aj

Rupps

Actually it looks like a piece of software I would really like to have. But it's only worth about $100 to me.

nobodyspecial

No need to wait for the "launch". A quick search on Google shows the order link:

https://www.themagicbulletsystem.com/order.php

creativentrepreneur

As I have stated in the piece on my blog, you will not only need to factor in the $2997 price tag but also the cost of doing PPC marketing ... the system (from the outside) to me looks to be a comprehensive one for PPC marketing ... but to realize the income numbers these guys are talking about you need a fair sized working capital.

Furthermore, its not just about having the system and the working capital to participate in the PPC game ... it also calls for a risk neutral mindset as well as well as a fair amount of market intuitiveness which only come with experience gained over time. This is a caveat for those who just jump in and expect to be earning six/seven figure incomes after the 8 weeks of training.

Hope this helps.

Andy

Jeremy Kelsall

Is it true that the tracking will be stored on Amishs' server?

I'm not sure how comfortable I am with having all of my data reported to someone elses server and being accessible by someone else in the same markets?

nobodyspecial

It is very interesting to see "behind the curtain" of the launch and see the marketing, how the JV partners are doing, what they are saying, etc.

themagicbulletsystem.com - JV Blog

maxitman

See guys, here's the problem. Now, think just a moment. Really stop and think. If the guy is offering you a program that'll only cost you 3000 but will, and I say, will bring you hundreds of thousands, where's the problem? Should you not grab it in an instant? Of course you should. But most of us know that it isn't that easy. Now, if I could have his undivided attention until I am fluent with his stuff, to make sure all areas are covered, then I would say I'd buy it. But he won't do that. You will be left on your own. And even though he says its all there-it is not. See he built it for himself first, custom made, so he went through trials and tribulations that are only known to him, you know, those unexpected details that can sometimes take weeks, but days for sure, to clear.

Yes, undoubtedly there are some goodies in his program that I would love to have, but not for that kind of money. If I was to buy it, HIS program would tear me apart from MY program(however newbie it may be) and I would have to start all over again. Yes, it is better to spend the 3k on advertising, securing products,(your own and affiliate) content, and learn what is really going on. I am thinking, none of the guys or gals that have been in the business, say more than 5 years will not buy his stuff. Or if they do, not for 3 grand.

Yes, I too, am getting little tired of these gurus, they can talk the talk, but obviously they do not walk the walk. The only place it seems, where they really make money is; form other IM folks like you and me. Ok, this is not entirely true, I know, but consider this, if you actually had that proverbial golden goose, laying eggs day after day, would you really give it to somebody else? No you would not. And don't you guys even start on this, you would not. Not until you start seeing some indication of market place saturation or that other IM folks are catching up with you, and you better off load it while it still brings you money.

And that is the way it is. Otherwise, as business propositions goes, his deal is not bad. If I was in his shoes, I'd probably be doing the same thing. I wish him well on his deal, but I am not buying one.

TommyBoy

Does anyone know what exactly this secret software does? For traffic and demographics there are free services like quantcast and alexa.

Darren Cooper

Personally, I don't think Amish is trying to "off load" this product at all.

I think his primary driver is to build a strong team of affiliates for yMultimedia...so it's in his best interest to train everybody well and provide them with this great software, because he's going to make a lot more money through yMultimedia than he'll ever make by "selling" this product on the front-end.

This launch will also hopefully get a few super-affiliates joining his network. This is where his REAL money will be made.

It's all about long term strategy rather than short term monetary gains.

miami

We signed up.

I can use it for 6 weeks - take all the training.

And give it back if I don't like it?

Why not?

There are three of us in our company. We try to be logical about it.

Is it hype? Sure it is called a SALES letter.

You mean you don't use such a thing? And you are an Internet marketer?

Do we see inconsistencies in the videos? Sure do.

This is what we see. They have created a new CPA company and need marketers
to make money for them.

So they are incentivized to create great CPA marketers for them.

People are earning incomes with CPA - so we are going to look...

Of course since we are affiliates we OUGHT to buy the product!

Just my two cents.

How about I let you know how it turns out? I'll do a WSO on it! hehe

Miami

oneplusone

I've bought it for $3,000.

I'll give an honest review on the Magic Bullet System as soon as I can.