discrat

Got two emails within 6 hours from a famous IM Marketer giving his phone number and a personal one on one conversation if you double clicked on his affiliate Link and bought this Academy Training from this other Marketer at $1,997.

What do all think about Products like this ? Is it worth it ??
Honestly, this kind of email Marketing is a big, big turnoff for me.

I know many of you will probably say " if you dont like it just unsubscribe " .

Well, I beat you to it, because I just did two minutes ago !!

prettyboy

It really depends on what you call worth it. If the information inside helps you bring in sales then yes it's worth it, but if you do what a lot of people do, which is buy a product and don't apply the methods revealed then it's not worth it.

There's a lot of marketing information that could found for free via the internet and even the war room as an alternative, but if you're the type that would rather have a course and can afford it then give it a shot, but only you know the answer to that.

Just listen to what your heart, mind, and inner self tells you and usually that's enough to determine if it makes business sense to invest in it.

Amanda_Davis

You mean Frank Kern's promotion for the Expert's Academy?

Yeah he sent a LOT of emails for that... he was trying to beat Jeff Walker for the No. 1 affiliate position!

Sue McDonald

Yes I got the email too but if you think you need it and it is good value then go ahead. It is all about what you perceive to be good value. He was only giving it to the first 20 so you had to be fast.

discrat

Yep, thats it !!

Andyhenry

I just deleted that email without reading it

Marhelper

Let me get this straight. Frank was trying to get you to click on his link and even willing to talk with you over the phone if you did, all in order to say he is better than Jeff? I must have this wrong as that would seem to be pretty childish.

scrofford

Yeah I did too! I really don't think that spending almost $2000.00 is worth it to me! I guess people are willing to pay that kind of money for that kind of stuff though.

scrofford

No, he offered to do a one on one coaching call if you bought the product through his affiliate link for something like $1997.00. So if you bought the product, Frank would give you some one on one time on the phone.

Amanda_Davis

He offered people that bought through him access to a "call in day" where you could call him and he'd give you advice 1-on-1.

Amanda_Davis

$2k isn't much if the info is good and makes you many times that in return.

So many people are put off products by the price tag, but that's the wrong way to look at it.

Of course, if you do nothing with the info then it's a total waste! But they only have themselves to blame

discrat

Listen, I know we are all here to make money and create a business for the long term.

But there is just something cheesy about all this. Especially sending out an email within a few hours after the first one and its about the exact same thing !! Come on now have some freaking tact !!!

I guess I will just stick with Paul Myers as my only email subscription thats worth a darn.
IMHO he deserves every single penny he makes with his incredible insight and info. he provides with every email.

sbucciarel

I just unsubscribed from that list because the emails were getting too much. I would never pay that for an Internet Marketing course.

scrofford

And I'm not put off by products with that price tag-Just that particular offer and product. For me the value isn't there. But that's me.

Troy_Phillips

I am not a guru fan or basher but if I was interested in the course already ... yeah I would be buying from Frank and taping the call.

If me , you , or anyone else can't learn from Frank, we better rethink this marketing thing at the very least or start offering call as to how we are making millions and actually have the proof to back it up.

Anthony La Tour

Nicely put Rob, I was think the same thing...$1997??

Alexa Smith

Good luck with that ... I found it terribly difficult to get him to stop sending me emails, which he was then sending out without an unsubscribe link, so they certainly didn't come via Aweber or similar. I had a long running conversation with his helpdesk on the subject, and I'd never even opted in to anything of his in the first place. (They did eventually stop but it really left me with kind of a bad taste in my mouth).

EvanScott

There are a ton of great products out there that have alot of value and are deff worth it. Do your research before buying and just trust your instincts.

I personally buy all of Frank Kern, Eben Pagan and Mike Filsaime's stuff because I know its all worth every penny!!

Good Luck!

sbucciarel

The only way I would pay that kind of money for the course is to take Frank up on his call offer and tape the whole call and make an audio course out of it and sell it for $1997.

davidsbain

If you look at the cost of a training course on any subject like computer programming etc etc for one week then in comparison these training courses are not over the top. Not sure of the price in the US but I have attended training courses in the UK that match this price for programming databases etc.

If you are willing to lay out this type of money think about two things...
1
Do not read your email for the next 2 or 3 weeks and focus one hundred per cent on taking action with the info you received and Take Action !
Ask yourself this question.... if you got one good idea that make you and extra x dollars per month would you be happy..... If you made nothing would you be happy.... remember the disclaimer on the box... you may make nothing from this product if you do not take action.... Can you afford to lose this money ?

2
Just having a one-on-one with Frank Kern is probably worth more than the 2k they are selling this product for. If you lined up every question you would like to know the answers to then this is potentially Gold. I have spent some time in the US at training seminars with some gurus and I definately learnt more from listening to their stories and advice than I did from reading ebooks at home. Just dont expect them to help you. You should be looking at asking questions more on how they setup their operations, what they have tested, how they built their lists etc etc. Explain your business and ask how can you change it for the positive

Hope this helps

Zach Booker

This.

But not this.

discrat

Yeah, I agree it is a great tactic for making Money. Just not the way I want to do things, regardless if I have an 8 people email list or 800,000 one. In my opinion , there is some things that I wont do for Money....... but I know that others will.
That is fine and Im okay with that. After all he is not doing anything illegal.

Rod Cortez

I can't say whether a product or service is "worth it" unless I've actually bought it, USED it, and TESTED it. Anyone who does simply looks foolish. I can't tell you if the price is too high or too low for the exact same reasons. I need ROI in order to make a sound, rational decision.

Now specifically, why is marketing like this a big "turnoff" for you? Honestly, I think it says more about you than the marketers who've been doing this for years and have refined the process. I guarantee you that if you were on the other end of the process and it was your launch you wouldn't be writing anything like you just did.

I'm a marketer and business person to the core, so unless these promotions are blatantly illegal or immoral, they don't bother me one bit. If anything, I observe and see what I can learn from them. And that, my friend, has made a huge difference to my bottom line. I think if more people would focus their energies on things that actually mean something and make a difference, they'd get more out of their enterprises.

RoD

Sven Schoene

Is it just me or does the Expert Academy have a hard time selling out?

I mean, when Mass Control 2.0 launched 02/16/09 it had 2000 spots and it sold out in like, what? 3 hours?

Brendon said he got 800 spots and the launch is going on now for what? 2 weeks?

Here's my view: The free stuff was GREAT. Brendon seems like a genuinely good person and also is a very smart marketer.

However, he doesn't click for me. I don't know, but there's something "charismatic" missing about him. His content is spot-on and I watched through a lot of the videos just because of that. He stands exactly for what I stand (learn, learn, learn => become expert => teach) and therefore I can also connect with him on that level.

I think it's most likely going to be a very valuable training for a lot of people. I truly believe that MOST people don't get this whole "expert" thing and how it can boost your marketing efforts through the roof. Since I consider myself an expert in my field already, though, I don't find a lot of value in this program.

I'd much rather purchased VideoBoss. Now that's a program that I'd love to have!

discrat

CCmusic,you seem to get real defensive when people dont see eye to eye with you.

Bottom line: I dont appreciate getting two emails with hours of each other saying almost the exact same thing. And pushing people to sign up under your Affiliate Link in both emails.

To me this is Unethical. Maybe not to you, CCmusic.. But to me it is !!

And in my household that is all that matters !!
End of story !!

honestbizpro

Yep we as marketers know the game. I actually try to learn from the titles of these promo emails as to which ones made me more apt to open that baby.


I know a few marketers that will intentionally send out multiple emails to purge non buyers from their lists. It's all marketing.

discrat

hehehehe...Good one CCmusic.

You must live on this Forum. I changed that first Post within minutes after Posting . I looked at it and it was a little off the cuff !! So I chnaged it and lo and behold you get to it and 'quote' it before I changed it

Its all good !!

But you are still wrong about it not being Unethical because it really is !! Seriously !!

discrat

Wow, what I great way to build a Brand and Credibility !! Just dont put me on your email List

Troy_Phillips

Wow ... someone that understands all you want is the responsive people on your list . A++

TimG

Many of the experts I know didn't pay $1997 to position themselves in that light. They simply wrote and submitted hundreds and thousands of articles. Some examples:

Sean Mize - Article Marketing/Product Creation
Steven Wagenheim - Article Marketing/Niche Research
Tiffany Dow - PLR Provider
Sydney Johnston - eBay Queen

I could name more but the point is you can become successful without spending a ton of money. At the end of the day all it takes is a plan, dedication/determination and alot of hard work.

Respectfully,
Tim

MichaelHiles

Brandon is well known outside the IM circle, and made his mark long before this internet product launch. His focus isn't teaching people how to become internet marketers - this isn't an internet marketing course.

His material is closer to the old Jeffrey Lant stuff from the 80s... How to make at least $100,000 every year as a successful consultant... and the Unabashed Self Promoter's Guide. It's how to develop yourself as an expert in a particular niche, position your "brand" and inject into the mainstream. It's extremely strategic level, and for people who are already knowledgable in a particular area that want to take their careers to the next level.

Hardly fodder for the article marketing Clickbank affiliate crowd. You don't get booked on Oprah or Good Morning America because of an Ezine Article.... or 500 Ezine Articles. This is for people who actually want to do more than post links on the internet as a business, and knows how to rely upon traditional media to drive phenomenal traffic to any website independent of articles, google, etc... My good friend Larry Winget (Your Kids Are Your Own Fault book) doesn't sit around on the internet writing articles hoping people hit his website. He's on FoxNews, MSNBC, CNBC, ABC, etc... a few times a month.

As for Kern's deal, I suppose that it's all what someone is looking for. Someone else already said, if you don't like it, delete it.

Sven Schoene

Wow, nice tactic. I'm definitely going to use that in the future.

Oh, wait, second thoughts: Won't the people on my list who previously bought my product(s) hate me if I suddenly gave it away?

Rod Cortez

Didn't you opt into these lists? The ethical part escapes me....

RoD

TimG

Michael,
Now that's a very informative post and I appreciate your opening my eyes to obtaining expert status outside of the Internet. In my post I am clearly using tunnel vision as I was purely focused on establishing yourself on the Internet.

Respectfully,
Tim

brunski57

Frank is a good guy and entertaining u while he sells... but all of the concepts the Top IM put out ... was written about by the old-timers 50 - 70 years ago!

Frank is a major student of the Old Timers.

These new guy just added the INTERNET as a tool, but the principles are the same.

Example: the old-timers used the same concept of the Landing page 50 years ago. It was just done via ads in newspapers and magazines. They collected a name and address... then they mailed you a sales letter.

Today we use the Internet, it is faster and cheaper ... but the strategy is the SAME!

Amanda_Davis

Exactly... think on a different scale, people!

Amanda_Davis

These people are great - but they're not really Oprah-featured authors or world-renowned speakers!

Amanda_Davis

List Control was on sale for a week and sold ~1500 copies.

Usually the more hype and "magic-bullet" something is, the easier it is to sell (to people who want a magic solution)

The more work that's involved - as with Brendon's stuff - the more difficult it is to sell.

Amanda_Davis

Really - $2k for 15 mins with Frank Kern?! He wasn't offering unlimited coaching... just the chance to call a phone number for a particular day.

I mean - seriously - the guy is good, but he's not God people!

He could obviously give you a tip in 30 seconds that could make you tens of thousands of dollars... but if you want access to him, spending $2k on List Control to go to the seminar would have been a better idea!

davidsbain

Ok so lets do the calculation one tip per 30 seconds = potentially 30 tips in 15 mins. By your calculations each tip could make tens of thousands.
ok so potentially 30 tips * 10000 = only 300k

I can see how you would prefer to spend 2 days at a seminar with Frank standing on a stage saying 'Buy My ****'

I am not a supporter of Frank at all and I have never bought any of his products but I do believe he could give you 30 tips on your business that could drive 10k gains and thats the power I see in the 1 on 1 call with him. At the end of the day if you pay 2K and he only gives you one idea that makes you 10k, in my book thats an excellent ROI.

If you really want to improve your performance here is what I would do

Surf the internet
look at every sales page
look at every web site
analyse everything in detail
what pages convinced you to buy
what appealed to you about these sites
what sites did you instantly leave
what backlinks did they build to their site

I could go on and on but I think you get the idea

EVERYTHING is there for you to copy in your own words

Amanda_Davis

One $10k tip every 30 seconds for a full 15 minutes - haha hilarious!
Thanks for the "advice" but I'll stick to learning from people who know what they're talking about if that's ok.

Zach Booker

<sarcasm>

Yes, your own personal preference should be used - not the conversion, opt-in, etc rate - to figure out what webpages you should mold yours after.

Good thinking.

</sarcasm>

Zach

claytons

THAT was funny, Zach

Amanda_Davis

My point exactly.

bfas

That's very funny (not to mention a great idea...)!

bfas

davidsbain

If you are starting in a new niche and building a new page you will not have all these variables. Where are you going to get the conversion, opt-in rate etc ? and even if you did have these, how do you know you have the best page ? do you have 100% conversion or opt-in ? then your page is not perfect is it ?

I do understand you point though. I did miss out one point and that is
you should be looking at the best selling products as this is one variable that is easy to find on clickbank for any niche

Lets take a real world example and have honest constructive feedback from zack and claytons

Did you seriously think the fat loss 4 idiots landing page would convert ?
Does not have those all important testimonals that users think are fabricated garbage...
Does not have a long sales letter....

So lets have something constructive from you guys
What is it about this page that works and would you honestly ever dream of creating a page in the same manner ?

Amanda_Davis

Hey Steve - did you know your youtube account is suspended? What did you do? (genuine question, not making fun!)

claytons

Good Grief...I have no clue.

I never do anything much at all on there...except upload our videos. Haven't uploaded one in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for the heads up...I guess I'll ask them!

I just love Google.

Mike Viskovich

It's funny, I'm not really sure why but I un-subscribed after getting that same email.

Zach Booker

I'm sure you'll get a promote response!

...Google's support is first class.