AFFILIATE ROB

First it was Howie Schwartz (IM Leadership), then Kevin Wilke (Local Business Money Machine), now it's Mike Koenigs's turn. Everyone seemingly has a product teaching us how to do Internet marketing for local businesses.

We've seen these launches before. This one has Andy Jenkins's fingerprints all over it - four preview videos, after which there will be a price tag of at least $1,247.00.

The first video came out today. What do y'all think of this product?

Dexx

Actually I think Mike was one of the first to bring the connection between Online Marketing strategies and local businesses (that I can recall from my experience), as I started using one of his strategies back in 2008 after watching a video he made on using video to promote local businesses.

Just like I was telling of the members of my forum that asked me if I really thought that this latest product of his was good, I am using his strategies right NOW to make money...

This isn't some "new technique" that he's offering, its a structured system of steps with pre-made marketing materials etc. so that someone doesn't need to "think and struggle" their ways through trial and error...they just follow a system of steps that have already been proven to work.

Does someone NEED this product, of course not, but if someone is looking at a business opportunity that is already working (and without the hefty franchise fees) then this is a very legit method of earning money.

Of course they could develop their own methods, and systems, but there's always people who would prefer to have something to use that's already been proven to work...

Just my thoughts!

~Dexx

cybernet

How would you compare the above mentioned products? Any recommendations?

alleycatnews

I think it looks really cool. If I was starting out again. I would probably do this type of thing to make my money. I prefer affiliate marketing and launching own products right now. But if I didn't have a big list and wasn't making decent money I would scoop this up.

Actually I think the price is $3000 if I am not mistaken but they have it all together for you looks really good I think.

joem07

I've been using Traffic Geyser as well for over a year and as Dexx stated above, Mike Koenigs developed a quick method for using video for promoting or getting leads for offline businesses.
Last December, Mike and the Traffic Geyser guys developed a program called Firepower which was a step-by-step program to help marketers establish a business in helping local businesses get online and get customers. I believe that it sold for ~ $1500.
MSMM is supposed to be a 'souped up' version of Firepower designed to help marketers establish a real full time business providing internet marketing consulting services to small business and will be priced at ~ $3K.
Yes, it is expensive, but if you follow the plan it will probably work.
That being said, there are other excellent offline marketing programs being offered here on the Warrior forum.
Look up Tim Castleman, Maria Gudelis and Jack Wize.

davemiz

i know the nitro course has been out and is probably the 'big name' on that subniche.... but the other names sound too similar....

oneplusone

These courses are all great only if you are able to take action and implement them.

The problem arises if you buy all these expensive IM courses, you end up with information overload and can easily have spent $10,000 to $15,000 in a few weeks and you end up mastering none of them.

These are not some 50 page ebooks you can go through in an hour, these courses go into a lot of depth.

Although I'm sure this course will be great, I'm still going through Video Boss still so I won't be joining - simply because I won't have time to implement it.

My advice is ONLY get involved with a new expensive IM course after you've completed and mastered the previous one you paid for.

Obviously if you aren't doing anything and this sounds like what you want to do then by all means go for it.

But if you still haven't completed the previous $2-3k course(s) you paid for then you need to ask yourself whether it is wise to give yourself another burden of learning something else.

In my opinion you need 2-3 months to master just ONE of these expensive IM courses, so getting involved with multiple guru courses in the space of a few weeks is a definite no no.

robertino

I believe there is a sizable market out there to provide small business with web services according to all statistics. The fact that Mike provides pre-made marketing materials, including contact lists in your area, software and most importantly the outsourcing of web services, should make it easy.

If you are to outsource all the web services, you are then left with marketing. Old school, pick up the phone, get the pre-made brochures and presentation, put some gas in your car and hit the road “Jack” ;-) Of course you can always contact your prospect by email and send presentations same way. Then just meet to close the deal and get the check. Sounds good eh?

In reality though, this is a real business and should be run like one. You put the time in and dedication and it will produce. I agree tough most people will buy the product and not follow through. I am seriously considering getting it since they have also outsources companies here in Canada.

Knowing Mike as a reliable businessman, I know the training, support, software and pre-made presentation materials are first class. If I cannot dedicate 80% of my time to this it may not work so I have to cut down on distraction time considerably.

mikesonfire

If it's anywhere near as good as Traffic Geyser, it will be a winner and worth the money (if you take action, of course).

Claymore

I've been banging the idea of providing website and traffic support for small businesses and have been held back by notion they really won't get the traffic or ultimately the business.
Part II is my techno limitations in actually providing the support. Has anyone had success where they have jv'd with a marketing guy (my comfort zone is totally in doing the selling and account management, not the techi stuff)?

bdegrossa

So the final video is out, now, the day before launch. Why do these guys prey on newbies so?

1. Look up La Jolla house painter on google. There's no search volume. Koenigs supposely had 4 positions on page 1 this morning but no one types in the term, so who cares?
2. When you approach any painter in that area with your offering, they'll say, I don't want La Jolla -- I want San Diego. No painter in that area limits themselves to painting in La Jolla, only.
3. "San Diego house painter" (which actually has some search volume, by the way) is surely much more difficult to get quick demo results for. Is that why Koenigs didn't show us that?

I do local marketing and yes, there is a market there. I don't have an issue with that. I do have an issue with these guys making it all look so easy to newbies, then taking $3000 from them, when its never that easy. That's a lot of money for most people these days!

Sorry if I'm a bleeding heart for the new guy/girl on the block. The gurus just get kind of nauseating after awhile...

Becky

tybeeroad

As of right now a search for La Jolla house painter puts Mike's site Number 2 on google, number 1 if you use quotes.

I do think La Jolla house painter will be valuable for some. If they ask for San Diego House Painter you should be able to help with that too.

I'm not sure if his program is good or not, but I am going to check out the final video.

Sean

Black Hat Cat

Even more nauseating is he seems to be targeting people who can't make money for themselves online, and recommends as an alternative that they scam folks offline by selling them the same services they can't make work for themselves.

oilerblue

Great points, Becky. I have often wondered about doing local SEO consulting, but get stuck on knowing what to charge and how to charge. This local SEO biz seems to be a very popular trend right now. I would certainly consider other forms of back linking and traffic-getting than just using Traffic Geyser. It is one of the tools I use for my sites, but certainly not the only one.

RolandFrasier

Hey Claymore. I've been doing local search for years now and found that it definitely makes an immediate impact on local businesses if you rank them for terms that actually get search volume.

I agree with Becky about a term like "La Jolla Painter." I'm sure Mike used that because it was really easy to rank, and I doubt seriously that a painter would pay $15,000 for that or get much business from it.

But, I can tell you that the businesses that we help rank for specific terms do get traffic and business from what we do and it is definitely a viable business. I own Mike's Firepower product and think it is awesome, even though I know quite a bit about search (I have organic top ratings as an affiliate for Main Street right now).

I truly believe it is a good value at $2,997, and I paid full price for my Firepower version of it (predecessor to Main Street), and I will pay full price for the MSMM upgrade as well.

We typically get about $1,500 for our basic service, although we are now experimenting with a super fast $500 service using a tool that only takes about 15 minutes to do local and mobile search submissions.

I do definitely believe that doing more extensive services for bigger businesses that are used to spending more money for marketing is possible, because we do that as well. Usually, they don't want to pay as much up front, but if you are just diverting a part of their existing ad budget to a different medium like Internet Marketing, then we've been able to get quick commitments for $3k per month.

Anyway, Mike is a good guy and I think he is for real. Having already had access to the beta version of Main Street, I know it's really great stuff and that even someone with no experience could go through it and apply it and be up and making money within 30 days. I wouldn't promote it if I did not believe in it.

If you want some real reviews on it, you can check them out on my affiliate site. I'm not showing you this to sell you, just to give you access to some fairly extensive info and real reviews from real users, as well as a real quick start business plan for working with the system. You can find that at MainStreetMarketingMachinesReview.info. I hope that helps.

RolandFrasier

Hey Oiler, if you are already using TG, then you can definitely take what you already know, watch the Fireman Mike video that is on the pre-launch site for MSMM and use that plan to go out and start doing local search.

You may want to think about giving it a try. The TG system makes it so easy to rank for most local terms, especially those with 1 million or fewer results. They say 300,000 or fewer at TG and Fireman Mike says 500,000 or fewer, but it really depends on how competitive the SEO is.

I've found that for many geo-specific terms, you can rank very quickly with TG even when there are more than 1 million results.

Dexx

I have to disagree on a few things here...

1) No search volume for Google does not mean No Searches and/or value...even if there are only 30 searches a month for that ONE phrase, if 5-7 turn into PAYING LEADS that could easily equal $300 - $500 per lead for a painting business...which means $1,500 - $3,500 per MONTH in profits for the house painting company.

So let's say on the LOW end of things (because you are "just" working with a house painter) that you charge them a $2,000 leasing setup and a $500/mo maintenance...you just earned a $6,000 a year recurring income from maybe a couple hours of work? (though the MSMM program comes with various templates to speed up the process) ...now do that for 10 other companies within an entire City...$60,000 a year on basic autopilot...not to mention additional services that you might charge for...and referrals...

[SIDE NOTE: A friend of mine pays $500/mo just for a large magnetic black sign to be placed near the road by his health store...this is for the "hopeful" chance that someone driving by reads it and decides to come in...$500/mo for first page Google results from people SEARCHING for his service would be a no-brainer choice!

Only reason I haven't done it yet is because I focus more on higher end profit-margin businesses so I can charge $1,500+/month but I'll probably do that for him now seeing the Fireman Mike video and the strategy behind it with the squeeze page =)]

Now let's say you are targeting a phrase like "la jolla teeth whitening" which has 37,600 BROAD results...if you land 1 - 3 leads for a dentist, that can equal THOUSANDS of dollars in lifetime value for that Dentist.

Now that's just for ONE phrase keyword, obviously if you are going to be generating leads for a house painter (or dentist) you'll be going after multiple keywords like "la jolla house painting" "la holla painting contractor" etc. etc.

So now maybe you have multiple 1st page ranking for 5 - 10 BUYER keywords which might generate 10 - 15 PAYING leads a month for the business...

To say that there's no value for a business, because Google says there is no searches, is flawed thinking...in that case the La Jolla phone book should have no House Painting companies advertising in it...but I can almost guarantee that if I went to La Jolla, and opened up a Yellow Pages, I'd find companies related to House Painting that are paying $500 - $5,000 PER MONTH to be in a big yellow book full of their competitors...

http://www.yellowpages.com/la-jolla-...=house+painter

...and probably with ads that have no method of tracking leads, or standing out from their competitors...and I'd assume that most people would sooner do a search on the internet for local house painters vs. flip through a yellow pages and have to decide based on generic ads (which can be an additional service we can provide to helping the businesses)

2) If a company says they want additional keywords...GREAT! Now that can be discussed as far as going after more / harder keywords...either way that is $$$$ on the table for the taking...meanwhile they can receive leads as they come in from the existing rankings... =)

3) As far as them making it seem "easy for newbies," the reality is helping businesses (that have little to no exposure as it is) is NOT hard, tons of my forum members discuss their successful marketing for offline clients constantly...the BENEFIT of this system is having a STRUCTURED and STEP-BY-STEP process to follow and build confidence for a person who is hesitant to get started.

Does someone need to spend $3,000 on this system? Of course not!

$30 spent on some old Dan Kennedy and Jay Abraham books combined with technical knowledge of marketing online can get someone great results also (it did for me!)

However if someone is looking for a "business in a box" that has the tools and training laid out for them with more personal coaching...well then...here it is...

Just my 2 cents on the matter...I just know the type of training and products that Mike Koenigs has created in the past is far beyond the typical "hype and no-results" of most products these days...

Cheers,

~Dexx

RolandFrasier

Very well said Dexx!

pearsonbrown

I fail to see what is different from what Mark Vurnum has been talking about in various products over the last few years. Could somebody tell me what's new?

Pearson

RolandFrasier

Hey Pearson, I'm not sure what Vurnum had, but MSMM has the complete back end to do massive video blasts. You upload once and it sends out to tons (many more than Tube Mogul) of sites. Also, he has an iPhone app development tool and Adroid and all sorts of other automated stuff. Definitely much more than I saw with Howie.

Hobo82

Hey Dexx,

Really appreciated your detailed explanation on this thread. You painted a clear picture for those who are not that well versed in this type of marketing. Thanks.

Hobo82

trishworks4u

I'd just like to chime in really quick here as someone who took a solid stab at the "offline market" and did not find it to be as "wide open" as represented. Let me also just say that I know absolutely nothing about this product (except the price) or it's creator.

I opened up a full offline consulting business last summer and went through some of the training courses that are offered around here. I bought blueprints, templates, videos, etc. Attended conferences, webinars, joined forums, the works. I incorporated, joined several chambers of commerce and got serious.

What I found in my area (large metropolitan area), was that it was sooo saturated with IM people pitching internet marketing to small businesses that these small business people were to the point of hostilities. The few business owners that I established a rapport with started forwarding me the emails they received from other marketers and said things to me like, "If I have one more person ask me if I'd like to improve my online presence I'm going to scream".

The few colleagues that I did know who were having success in offline marketing to small businesses just happened to have strong backgrounds in sales. ie - real estate. Coincidence? Probably not. I have never sold anything in my life - I gave that venture everything I had. Then - went back to Affiliate Marketing.

....just my experience.

oilerblue

Thanks, Roland. I have a gal that already does all the TG and Tube mogul submissions so that certainly wouldn't be a problem. My concern is how to charge for the service. If it is upfront money, then how much, if it is a monthly fee, then how much. Any suggestions would be appreciated. [IMG]http://********************/BF/Bi.gif[/IMG]

oilerblue

Great point, Trish. Hadn't even thought of that. I get emails AND calls all week long from companies that tell me I can be at the top of the search engines in my local community, even though I am already at the top. I can tell no research was done by most of them. What about the angle of a consultant who is also local and who is a small biz owner who just happens to own the local SERPS for my own keywords? That might be a more convincing pitch. If you also have the USP of being available to call or visit locally that might mean something to another local small biz merchant. Your thoughts...?

bdegrossa

Trish - great points. Most of my local clients had some relationship to me or someone I know. Local biz owners do get harassed by SEO companies on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis. My clients send me the emails people send to them all the time asking for my take on it. They appreciate having someone to help them separate the hype from the real.

I do think that the fireman Mike video where he grabbed top positions first would give the marketer much more credibility, but I also think that the threatening approach of "work with us or we'll kill you in the market by promoting your buddy down the street" is a little bit much. I'd advise a little softer approach .

I also think that working in your own town will help, too. Trust is a big issue, especially with all the sharks out there.

Becky

Dexx

If a market is saturated, then you need to reposition yourself as something different...

Don't be "just another SEO" person that allows them to price-shop for the lowest deal, package and re-introduce your SOLUTION as something that would be an Apples to Oranges comparison to just providing technical stuff.

This can include analyzing their existing business profit leaks, developing a USP with them, lead generation marketing consultations, developing a relationship-based selling system and more...all packaged together into one maintenance fee.

Now you aren't just offering them a "web presence" but a completely hands-off marketing system that you will work together with them on...

Does that make sense?

If "market saturation" existed in the business world, then there'd be no new companies ever created...

~Dexx

trishworks4u

....all very good points and I'm not trying to "poo poo" this product at all because I haven't even been to the sales page.

What I am saying is that I know what these Sales Pages say - (ie - untapped market, $ there for the taking, etc. etc.).

Anyone considering going into this needs to understand that, based on where you live, that simply may not be the case. The overused example of the IM guy walking into the pizza parlor and walking back out with a $5k consulting check is NOT TYPICAL!

Yes - you have to differentiate yourself, and not just from a few competitors, possibly from 100's. This includes joining Chambers - putting on Free Seminars, and a lot of meetings and proposals that will probably turn into squat.

Someone above asked if it helped to be the "local seo person" that was approaching these small businesses. For the most part, not all though, these competitors WERE local. A lot of them now are going door to door and that is REALLY irking the business owners. The standard line is - "There's not many customers in here for a Friday. Would you like to get some more?".

I certainly don't want to see anyone fail but would have been very grateful for a few warning flags prior to my jumping into this. As I say about almost everything, though - it was a valuable experience.

abrandt

Hello Trish:

I am not yet a subscriber to MSMM as of this moment, however I am seriously considering several MSMM affiliate's attractive bonuses.

I had no previous OFFLINE MARKETING experience when I started studying April 2009. I had purchased over 30 Offline WSO's and studied them dilligently... I mean I laboriously annotated all the reports with my bolding, underlining and highlighting to enhance VISUAL ACUITY and LEARNING. It didn't take long to feel I was head-deep in INFORMATION OVERLOAD... a lot of cool strategies... but I was swimming in it. So I started to pray for greater understanding... and got a solid answer in January.

I immediately initiated a 6-keyword test for a business at no charge, and within 2-weeks, I had helped him achieve DOMINATION of Google 1ST Page SERPS (4 to 7 positions)... and currently (6 to 9 positions)... and I did it all MANUALLY (labor intensive). The client has since engaged my services for $1,000 per month + commissions.

I've added a 2 additional clients now at $3,000 per month each to run their campaigns.

I pretty happy with the results... and very grateful for the long-term business outlook of my services. Reciprocally, my business clients appreciate the VALUE I have brought to the table and love crushing their competition.

I am now personally looking at the MSMM BONUSES that some affiliates are offering, because the consolidation of tools all in one place could save me considerable time and allow me to help smaller businesses at a lower price point than $3,000+ per month.

BTW - I cordially invite any MSMM affiliates offering great bonuses to PM me early today before I make a final buying decision (today).

I hope this proves helpful and encouraging!

Positively,

Alan

keweus

Mike states that MSMM includes Traffic Geyser..

Does that mean there are NO monthly fees for the TG system?

Or is it a 2-3 year pre-paid inclusion, and the monthly fees kick in at some point?

Heck, it's almost worth buying just for the TG system if it's truly included at no additional monthly cost..

TIA

PR

I believe it includes 12 months of Traffic Geyser...

PR

oilerblue

Great post, Alan. I appreciate your sharing of experiences and numbers in your post.

keweus

Ha Ha - I love Mike, but I don't like how this $3k product seemingly comes with some down-the-road surprises (TG fees, and potentially fees for other services which are included for a limited time only).

SimonHarrison

Just watching the final video...

Mike says "and since a single job for a home painter is worth about $13,000...."

I guess painters in the US get paid a lot more than in the UK.

I also hate rule #3.

Who cares whether something has 300,000 or 100,000 competitors.

The only relevant point is who's in positions 1-5.

Re the experiment, It's dirt easy to end up in those positions
for a few days , especially with no competition on the term.

Product looks nicely put together however with some good tools and
support , whether it's "worth" $3000.00 or not, hard to determine.

Just not overly keen on some of the hype.

ECoughlin

I can't believe how expensive this product is. I've pretty much had it with these super-expensive launches for rehashed products.

You don't need TG to get your pages listed high on the SERPS. You can go to offlinebiz.com and get lots of advice on approaching small business owners and it's about a 1000 times cheaper. Invest the money you save in a good Adwords/Facebook local biz campaign and voila! you're on page 1.

Sorry, folks, I'm a little bit OVER these gurus ripping people off.

samd123

I agree - after being swept off my feet by his proactive energy moving forward, watching it a few times, having seen this game a few times now (closely tracking Frank Kern's every move for three of his huge launches) I have finally been able to not just avoid buying but now to also see the woods from the trees.

this has happened to me before - getting roped in with a deal where the product id good but then they slap atraining course around it - so now they can legitimately build it up to $2997 -but hold a second - I dont want to go to Main Street University thank you - Its going to these endless information dumps that has me sat on my ass right here goddammit!

Thats not value in my opinion - his templates, good, his presentation, very good, the rest? Schlepp - Im out. (I think I would value that product at about $379 for the useable bits and even then I could probably outsource it for less.)

Just my opinion - not the truth. So dont shoot me!

All the best

Sam

cscarpero

Looks interesting, but I got some major sticker shock at the price. I wish there was a simplified version for a little less money and I would have considered it.

ozduc

Check out Chris Lagarde here in the WSO section he offers a product that looks similar but is A LOT LESS.
I have it and I'm still not done going through all the information he provides.

PR

Keep in mind that a good portion of that 3k goes to affiliate commissions. I've received 3 guru emails in the last couple of hours touting it. Looks pretty good though, I'd consider it for 995.00.

PR

valdivz

I definitely was not surprised by the results that were shown.

he did an experiment for " la jolla house painter " which is completely simple to rank for...has no traffic according to Google Keyword tool. He doesn't mention Google Maps (unless I missed something)

Local businesses want to see an ROI for their investment...how could you really give someone their money's worth for getting them ranked for a keyword that's not going to help them?

He should actually have showed ranking for an actual keyword that gets traffic that will actually produce good results for a client. That's a bit of smoke and mirrors to hype the product.

I don't know about his other bonuses and stuff...who knows if the phone app creator has actually helped a business.

Definitely not worth the price tag. It's too much because there's many partners involved with the whole product.

dean1969

I have sold advertising to local businesses by selling Park Bench advertising and S.E.O. videos.

Just to cover a few points -

- Businesses in very small towns DO want rankings in the bigger surrounding areas. The competition is so high in bigger areas that first page results are next to impossible.

- Mike, you say "little to no competition." Well, there's ATT&T, Yellowbook, Yellowpages and a ton of online directories, each having thousands of links. There may not be thousands of competitors, but the competitors are huge and well known brands.

- "Automated" and "local business advertising sales" are a contradiction of terms. Nothing and I mean nothing is easy about selling any kind of advertising to local businesses.

- It's a proven statistic that telemarketing is 6 times more effective for making sales than any other form of marketing. Heck, many small businesses do not even know how to check their email! And where do you think postcards and fliers wind up? Yup, right in the trash! And forget about voice broadcasting! It's uncertain who will answer the phone, and even if the owner does happen to answer, most business owners will hang up on a recording anyway. So, do you like to telemarket? Are you good at telemarketing? To be successful you're going to need 4 to 8 hours of solid phone work per day. If you're not up for phone work, you should reconsider your career choice.

- Warning: Do not do the "free test" method for businesses. Unless you're really lucky, you'll waste your time. I tried it and it just simply does not work.

- If selling advertising is so easy and automated why would Mike sell a course about it? I mean why go to the trouble of creating a course if he can receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in monthly commissions? Oh yeah,.........he just wants to help the average guy! YEAH RIGHT! The truth is, selling a course online to desperate people is way easier than selling small businesses s.e.o. advertising.

- Bottom line. Business opportunities are dead and now the so called "gurus" are scampering around for another way to find fools with money who will believe anything! This offline marketing trend is just an attempt to sucker the suckers out of more money.

mhobbs25

It does seem like a lot of marketers are turning to marketing to small businesses lately. I think its because small business owners don't have a clue about whats going on or anything about the internet. If you can be that person to help them make more money from their products then they are willing to pay you some pretty good money.

Its easier to duplicate this as well since you deal in your own local market place. The internet can get pretty crowded around the same old keywords but when you start targeting local keywords you pretty much have an endless supply to go after.

Anyway I think this one is the best that I have seen come out so far. They actually provide you with all the marketing materials and numbers to present to these business owners.

baraks

great info for those of us considering MSMM. this helps to balance the 'hype" of this launch for me. thanks!

dsiomtw

The whole thing just seems fatally flawed due to Google Maps. So what if you have a top 10 ranking for "la jolla painter". For 1 it gets almost no searches, and more importantly, the eyeballs of anyone who DID search for that term will go immediately to one of the "local business results" right at the top ala Google maps. These listings are highlighted big time, they have phone numbers, reviews, etc.

To think you are going to get any clicks being #4 or #5 for "la jolla painter" is silly. You'd be lucky to get 1 click per month. That is not something you can charge a painter for in good faith.

Can someone tell me what I'm missing here?

abrandt

Hello Members:

I am intrigued by the positive and negative comments in this thread. Reading between the lines, it would appear that Members who have achieved some modicum of Google 1ST Page SERPS domination tend to post POSITIVE comments.

Based on my strategies successfully dominating 6 to 9 positions on the Google 1ST Page SERPS for primary competitive keywords (not long-tail KWs), I took a whole day to evaluate MSMM whereby I am able to justify purchasing it for the terms of $550/mo for 6 months because leveraging the marketing and technology integration that MSMM offers can save me substantial time.

On the other hand, IMO, MSMM is certainly not for the masses, even though it is being mass marketed.

On the other hand, for someone who is earnest and willing to diligently study, implement and persevere... exceeding a 100% ROI is a reasonable and even a potentially realistic self-expectation.

In my case, I am reasonably confident I can minimally 2x to 3x my investment within a few weeks. I can say this because I know what I'm doing at this point.

My goal is to learn how to maximize and leverage MSMM vs. limiting myself to the highly labor-intensive manual optimization procedures responsible for my current success.

I hope this proves helpful to some.

Positively,

Alan

AmyBrown

I bit, and 8.5 hours after purchase I'm not completely happy. The "university" training starts May 20, all of the currently available content is from TG or Firepower, not even rebranded to Main Street Marketing. I was interested in a few pieces to the offline puzzle and felt they were worth the cost, but right now I have mixed feelings.

Angela Wills

You don`t need video to get top local rankings. I just built a website for a local small town business and I`m getting rankings for at least five highly relevant, targeted terms that I`m positive will make him a lot of long term income. The site is less than a month old so maybe the rankings will jump but it was super easy and the site has almost no content. I did a video review of it on my site I was so shocked it happened so quickly and easily. I`ve also done this for a second local site now with just SEO.

I actually attended an event where Mike was talking about targeting local business about two years ago now. I set up a few `real estate`targeted sites using Traffic Geyser and didn`t find it all that easy to get top rankings - though maybe real estate was just too competitive a term, even if it was local business.

A concern I have with TG now is the mass submissions - don`t the search engines disapprove of it.

igrowyourbiz

the only part that interested me was the templates and squeeze page videos etc...did that come with it?

Nic Lynn

This is exactly the problem and why this market will never become truly over saturated!

Specifically:

1. These so-called offline companies DO NOT act or talk "local." Most often they act and talk like a spammer... or that telemarketer who calls you right as you sit down for dinner. You have to know something about the business you pitch to and you have to know how to talk to them as a small business owener peer.

2. They literally sell SEO and google rankings! That's not what you sell. You sell "more customer and more revenue" for the client. Period.

3. They never ask questions (other than "do you want to buy my stupid service"). You need to know what your business owner's goals are, what they think their competition is, what their "exit" strategy is, etc.

All of that equals epic fail for most.

Btw, I do not plan to buy this product (though I did watch the marketing pre-launch hoopla).

Thomas Stoker

I am checking out Traffic Geyser, am on their $1 trial so I also get pretty much bombarded with emails about MSMM.

I personally think there is some money to be made, using IM techniques with local businesses. However, I really doubt if it is going to be something is fit for a lot of folks in the IM community. First of all I think it requires a completely different mindset and different personallity to be able to make in in the real-world business compared to the internet.

Secondly aren't there already a lot businesses doing this for local shops? I'd say there would be a lot of competition. At least, I think there would be here in The Netherlands... What do you guys think?

Finally, I think this is a lot like real work. Going places, wearing a suit perhaps, face to face selling. Isn't that why most of us are making an income online? ;-)

All in all I think it's a typical case of selling spades to the gold diggers. The only ones that are really makeing good (and easy) money are Mike Koenings and his partners...

By the way, I haven't watch all four video's so I don't know what they are offering exactly but I know I, most likely, wouldn't spend around $1500 on this....

Just my two cents.

Thomas

bh740

As a newbie the hype is a bit much...even I figured out that when you key in "frank kern master control" into Google right after you posted a bunch of videos loaded with the phrase that it would be pretty easy to get a good ranking...if I enter my website name into the google search I get a #1 ranking...doh! [IMG]http://********************/BF/BN.gif[/IMG]

now the fact that it includes a year of "diamond level" TG in my mind reduces the price fro the course significantly

and after deciding that I wasn't ready for this product i decided I wanted to try out TG-unfortunately if you try to go to the TG site you get redirected to MSM...as a person who hates the hype, this just annoys me to no end-does anyone know if plain TG is still available?...although at this point I'm considering TubeMogul to get started for free