JonnyAndrews

If you sent a ticket you got a reply!

Check your spam filter as they can sometimes
get caught up in there.

If you can't find it then just toss another
in. We'll get you fixed up.

But next time don't wait so long! If you don't
have a response from us in at MOST 10 hours
then don't hesitate to put another ticket through!

We really do knock those things out quickly

Jonny

Dave d

I took the trial and I was very dissapointed. It took nearly 2 days to download everything so I was expecting something really good here.

The videos were really painful to watch. It was like this is clicbank, this is a gravity score, this is joint venture forum, this a squidoo lens etc etc and on and on it went.

Fine if your completely new and know zero about IM other wise you will be bored rigid.

The information in MSS is very generalised and more of an overview of techniques with the exception of the PPC siphon.

I was really dissapointed that the MSS did not go into detail on methods or techniques for creating projetcs.

Now this is a WARNING for anybody thinking of trying this. The trial was extremely difficult to cancel and I think this is a really bad way of doing business Johnny.

Compared to something like the SE Nuke trial where you just go into your Pay Pal and just cancel your trial, MSS was a nightmare.

On the 4th day I requested a refund through the help desk and on the 5th day I read a mail that said I must do it through clickbank which was fine, however Clickbank said they would pass that on to the merchant which would take x amount of days to process and then once they got the request it would take another x amount of days to cancel, by that time we would have gone well past the trial. I sent a very stern email to support again requesting they cancel immediately and wondering what was the point in all this when I originally contaced the merchant who told me to go to Clickbank who would then send my request to the merchant ?

In the end I just cancelled my credit card . Yes the $4.95 trial is too good to be true so beware.

Dave

matreatza

Thanks a lot guys for these tips

Revalga

Is this program available worldwide? I'm from Indonesia btw.

JonnyAndrews

Dude. Really?

ClickBank was easy before... but now with their
new ticket system all you have to do is click a link!

Sorry you had a hard time, but you may want to dig
a bit deeper into the reason why

Jonny

oilmail

I read through countless of review on it, so far all the reviews are good.

Jo

bemore

I just cant resist, this is a bloody side of beef at the shark feeding frenzy. I cant for the life of me figure out sometimes why some people are even in this IM game or forum or any other forum.

Acsmith- Very good on you, a voice of reason to a simple question that started this thread. Great first post, please participate again in the future with your resonable insights.

Clumein2- instead of and before purchasing another make money system online, you should buy the first part of your name (clue). I cant believe your rant and reasoning. As was stated, you are in fact in a marketing forum, where marketers hang out. We should assume you're here to try to learn how to make money online, correct?

Do you scream and cry at Mc D's when they ask you if you want fries with that? When you're at the car wash and they ask if you want the deluxe wash and wax? When you're eating the restaurant and they ask if you want coffee and desert after dinner? According to your statements and your general attitude, you despise the very marketers you're so desperately trying to emulate. Do you see Mike Filsaime pulling his upsells? Get real.

Instead of throwing a tantrum when you get an upsell, which is an intimate part of every online sales process, you should instead concentrate on the actual sales system. This would be in hopes of learning the very thing you're supposedly here to do. That is to sell and be an internet marketer. Buy a two dollar ebook instead on Ebay, same process, less money.

Sure the sales letter is hyped and the upsells are plentiful. Isn't that the whole point? To have you salivating by the time you whip out that credit card, maybe sell more than he would have originally sold, make his affiliates want to sell more for him because they make more from the upsells also, create long term JV partners when he has an extremely successful launch? He must have done a good job to have you even finish the sales letter. Success. If you ever get to the point of being that type of successful affiliate, maybe you'll understand.

The fact that you gave a "review" of Jonny's product, which is what this thread is about, without even implementing any of the systems or even giving it an honest try (as per your own admission), suggests that you may not be cut out for this route, unless you drastically change your attitude and lose the chip on your shoulder. You did, in fact, have 60 days to give an honest review, according to Clickbank's refund policy.

So, instead of giving your biased review, potentially damaging Jonny's product sales, without ever taking it for a test drive, you should have just gotten your refund and moved on to the next money making system that you'll probably never use. Publicly stating your opinion here, in a marketing forum full of professional seasoned marketers, without giving it a shot, surely won't win you any points here.

I, on the other hand, have in fact bought the product and thoroughly reviewed it. I must say that yes, some of the modules are fairly basic. But he delivers exactly what he says in the sales letter, plus more. And, by the way, I haven't seen it mentioned yet for some strange reason so I'll mention it. There were included with the product as bonuses another several products that were stand alone products selling for over $50 each (one at $77). Plus several PLR ebooks, extra videos etc. Well worth the money for the course. In fact, the bonuses were worth more than the actual product.

Have I made a million yet? No. But that's due to my own procrastination. The info is solid and workable though. Plus, you have to look at the big picture here, since you brought it up. Jonny has, in fact, made around a million or so, just on this one product. So I think you can probably assume he might know a little something about how to make money.

It doesn't matter if he's selling a steaming dog pile, the fact is he IS a successful internet marketer. And that brings me full circle. Sometimes it's not even about the product in question. A lot of times it's about the process itself. In this case I'd say the product is good for a fairly new marketer and also has some very good concepts for the advanced marketer that will make money if they are properly implemented.

I'm still learning also, otherwise I'd be the one selling this and not him. Sure you can find this info on the internet. Well, go find it then. Nobody asked you to buy this. Everything ever made is already available somewhere for free. What you're paying for when you buy a product is time and effort.

Mentoring is the same concept. If you want to spend several years floundering around and still maybe never get anywhere, great. Some choose to save time and spend money instead. Cut the learning curve and hopefully learn from the successful experience of others. Most times, it 's a cheap investment if you take action as you'll normally make back much more than the cost.

Jonny,

I have to say, very eloquent retort on your part. Couldn't have said it better (well maybe I could have).

Next time you feel the need to ...(look above), you know where to find someone. I'd be more than happy to kiss a millionaires ass in hopes if somehow, through osmosis, gaining the knowledge necessary to duplicate your success, rinse, repeat, etc. and retire next year.

Sorry about the rant everyone, I apologize, but people that give up before they even try, then blame someone else for failure, just piss me off. I did give an honest review of MSS though. Hope it helps. P

PS- And I hesitate to mention this but here goes.

Clumein2- I would strongly suggest that the next product you buy is a ticket into the War Room. I give it my highest recommendation, two thumbs up, etc etc. It's $37, the best education you will ever get online, guaranteed. You can thank me later. One prerequisite though first. Cut your tongue out or become a mute before entrance into there. They tolerate even less BS than in this area. Again, hope that helps. Take care. P

2bwealthy

Its sold through Clickbank , which basically means ask for a refund and you get it. no questions asked.... also you have upto 60 days to do this. They also saw 3-5 business days, however I have gotten refunds with 24hrs.

genietoast

I'm checking out this thread as much as possible about MSS. One thing I've noted so far that I'm impressed with is that the owner of the product actually talks to you on this forum.

Folks, one thing I've learned in the past year of IM is that the customer service you receive from the creator of the product is a tell-tale sign of his interest in your success. I've had gurus come out and downright call me on the phone which was awesome. That time I was so new I couldn't tell the difference from the left side and right side of internet marketing and I was still confused.

After fumbling for a year and burning my britches, I have a better concept of all the different methods that are out there and a stronger grasp of what to look for.

Some creators may talk to you via an eBook or a video, but when you get to their "so-called" customer service, they never answer or give you very obscure answers. That's when you have to start watching your back because they could be a scammer, but it seems like Jonny will frankly answer your questions any time. So that's a good thing.

The upsell thing--I've seen it. No need to worry. It's just part of business. You can always skip it if you're not interested, but it's a way to get new people with new products noticed. One day some of you will be creating your own products and would love to joint venture with a well known source, saving you time and advertising dollars.

Mitch Miller

Yes Jonny answers emails. Imagine that.

JonnyAndrews

Wow! Ooodles of activity! Good times indeed

Bemore, thanks for that totally sweet write up!

Anyway, yea, I try to help folks out when I can.

Obviously things have become crazy (when you break
the 10 - 15K list mark) it's virtually impossible to
work 1-on-1 with everybody... and I think I'm over
60K now.

That's why I hired a staff!

Such is the way of business... when something
grows beyond the bounds of one person, that person
must then put systems + other people in place to
continue the flow.

Seriously. I had to redirect ALL my response emails
through a different address because I now receive over
500+ per day.

NOBODY can take care of that. So now everybody who
emails is given very specific instructions on how to contact
myself and my staff along with a FAQ.

The system works like a charm!

But more to the point... people who want
refunds get them... like everybody has said:

It a freaking ClickBank product!!!

My customer service is solid and I keep making
it better by updating my employees training and
trying to keep tabs on the majority of what's being
asked...

I even take care of some tickets myself.

Final Note: I'm launching a totally new blog and
if anyone wants to see what this stuff is about
before buying, I'll be posting a direct link in a
few days.

Monday I'm thinking.

Just did a 3 part video series on a totally sweet
business model you'll really like.

Oh yea, and the new blog graphics are beyond
cool... you'll see what I mean when I post next week.

Until them, I'm off to my first vacation in around 5-6 years!

Wish me luck.

No really. I actually don't know how to relax anymore

Jonny

Jane Q. Public

I just now came across this forum, as I was checking some background on MSS before I decided to buy in. After all, there are so many scams out there...

I want to reinforce some of what was stated a while ago by "cluemein", but my motive for doing so is constructive.

I have purchased several packages that were intended to supply me with good information on internet marketing. The majority of them ARE scams. Now, here's the problem:

When somebody who has already been stung pays out their few bucks, then goes to a new page where right in front of their nose is the IMPLICATION that "if you don't buy into my upsell product, you just wasted your money", they are going to be pissed off, because that is exactly what all those scams do.

Johnny's product may be genuine. Maybe the trial is a complete product in itself. But when it is marketed in a way that is so similar to those scams, people who have had bad past experiences are going to associate MSS with those scams. You can't have it both ways.

All I'm saying is: "cluemein" had a valid point. The upsell gave him the wrong impression, and THAT SHOULD BE NO SURPRISE, because it was presented to him in the same way as all those other scams.

I am not saying that Johnny should remove his upsell... but maybe it could be presented in a way that more clearly expresses his honest intent.

Lonny Eachus

Question for Jonny Andrews:

I just went to purchase my $4.95 trial. It went to clickbank, and I paid via PayPal (I took screenshots at each step). Clickbank took my money, and I was forwarded to a new page (asking me if I wanted to buy the upsell)... and something happened to the browser. Now I have no way to get in to the program... I have two email confirmations with links, but they don't do anything for me... the best I have managed to find is a login screen with username and password fields... but I don't have a username or password!

I went to the "forgot my password" page, and tried the email address I used on signing up, and it says it does not recognize that address. I then tried the address that is on my paypal account, and it says it sent me my password in an email... I have done this twice now, it has been hours, and I do not have any new emails in that account.

So what the hell am I supposed to do? I don't have a customer support number or address, or anything else. Just my clickbank and paypal receipts.

timpears

Well I missed any promotion for MSS but I guess it might be good from the comments I read here. So I went to see what it was all about. I listened to a ten minute video telling me how good it was and how I could get a FREE something or other if I would just sign up and click, so I did, and I got a FREE nother ten minute video pitch and a long sales letter (that I skimmed past) to find the price.

And low and behold, it is just $4.95. For a 7 day trial!!! So after seven days, I am going to have to pay, HOW MUCH? I guess it must be a hell of a lot because the seller is a little embarrassed to let me know. Boy I hate it when sellers try to hide the price of the product. I think I will pass as I hate to waste $5 on something that I probably can't afford anyway.

Tony X

He's not hiding the price. It's $77. $4.95 for seven days. And then $72.05 after the seven days up.

It's on the sales page and order form.

timpears

Well I saw the $4.95 multiple times, and I didn't see the full price, so I scanned up and down to try and find another price, but never did see it. So it is not displayed very clearly. Practices like this always make me think twice about doing business with a vendor.

Mitch Miller

Before you make an unfounded accusation, maybe you should actually read instead of scan. Otherwise you just kinda look foolish.

JonnyAndrews

Yo! Been away for a bit...

In your ClickBank receipt there is an email address
for customer service along with a direct link to the
help desk.

Send a message to that email and you will
get an instant response with the following info:

#1: How to get really fast help
#2: EXACTLY how to login to the download area
#3: Info on just about everything else you need.

That'll fix you up in less than 2 minutes.

Jonny

PS: I see that a lot of folks are semi/sorta asking about
the validity of stuff... I just put up a totally new blog
with a really cool 4 part (was going to be a 3 part) video
series.

(Nothing to buy) http://www.JonnyAndrewsBlog.com

There's even a cool little video of when I took my girlfriend
and kid up para sailing at 1200 feet. Good times

timpears

Ditto, back at you. Maybe you should read what I wrote and try to understand the words better. I will not try to explain it to you as it is not that important. Obviously the $4.95 was promoted heavily, but the actual price is not. Which is a tactic that many unscrupulous marketers use to take advantage of unwary people. Is that what is happening here? I have no idea. I will not be buying, so it is irrelevant to me.

I don't think I am accusing anyone of anything, just making some observations. But even if I am, it is my opinion, and am entitled to it.

ShaneBoyd

I'm new here so don't freak out with my post. Savy? I bought Jonny's MSS about a month ago. And like most...I haven't made a dime in that month. But I didn't expect to either.

Now, I'm not a TOTAL dunce with the IM bus. In Sept. of 2008 I created an info product doing interviews. I wanted to enter a niche, however I was not an expert so I interviewed experts. I was an expert by association so to speak. Like 7 interviews with the PDF transcripts. Over 6 hours of MP3 and like 100 pages of transciptions.

It cost me about $3000 to start and promote this. I quickly found 2 JV partners sold like a hundred units...made no money. Did not even break even.

Turned out I didn't like the niche I wanted to be a "guru" in. They were a tight fisted bunch and all they wanted was "freebies". You know, free consultations, newsletters, daily tips, tele-seminars and such. I did all that.

Well, I shut that bus. down in December of 2008 and said SCREW IT!

Point here is this...If I would've had the MSS I could have approached that whole venture A LOT differently. I wouldn't have lost my shirt, that's for sure.

Now, back to the MSS. I've been using this for a month. (BTW, I have a full time career. I own a home inspection firm, so I work about 40 hours a week ON and IN my business). On days I'm not inspecting I'm implementing what Jonny teaches. Squidoo and message boards, tinyurl, JV launches, etc.

One day my wife asks me..."Have you made any money yet with that thing you bought" Ugh! My answer was a sharp..NO.

She says: "well, when you're home all day on the computer for like 8-10 hours...what are you doing? I mean you work all day, don't show me what you do, haven't made any money with it. What do you do?"

So I had to break it down for her. "Sigh, here's what I do..." And I showed her, Clickbank, JV Launches, Squidoo and all sites I've built (which all suck so far) Twitter, Tinyurl, bitly, message boards, review sites.

And I said "Basically I paid 70 some bucks to LEARN how to become a successful internet marketer" And she got it!...I did too.

Her reply: "I'm going to college to LEARN how to be a teacher. For the next several YEARS I won't make a dime. But when I finish, I'll make $30,000-$40,000 a year with benefits. You're kinda doing the same thing"

She's right. Then I got it.

Sorry for this freakishly long post. But the MSS if for newbies. You're not going to make a fortune right out of the gate. But Jonny SO over delivers is sick.

The freebies you get with the MSS are more than worth the price of the MSS. (Something I learned from GKIC and IMA). Things like...affilate extreme system with Mark Ling and The Rat Race Annihilation. Plus audios out the wazoo.

In a nut shell. Thanks Jonny for the MSS.

Something I did learn from GKIC, if you buy an info product for say $300. And you get ONE nugget out of it that can help you earn and extra $5,000 that year. Well, that's a pretty damn good investment.

Peace.

Thanks for having me on the board folks and I'm looking forward to learning from you all.

Later,

Shane

stephan231

I recommend having a look at the cb before going with it!

JonnyAndrews

I feel ya, but at the same time if you
look at the letter...

... the clickbank order form...
... the 'thank you' page...
... your welcome email...
... your receipt...

And basically every other piece of info
you get before or after purchase you'll notice
I've taken great pains to spell everything out.

One of the major reasons I've been able to achieve
some great success is very simply this:

I don't like to screw people.

The price/terms/process is always spelled out.

Hope that helps make things a bit more clear for you.

Jonny

PS: Shane. THANK YOU for pointing out the obvious...
everything we do is a process. When people buy
this stuff it's an investment in education.

Money Siphon was made to show people how to
start at the beginning and build up to the advanced.

Does it work? Yup.
Even the dude with the blog who said he hated it
still made money.

The big difference in the IM Products you purchase
vs. a formal education is this:

IF you apply what you learn inside the products
you stand a pretty good chance of making actual
money in 30 - 90 days...

IF you apply what you learn in college it'll take you
at least 2 years + tens of thousands of $$$ just
to get a job... from that job you'll then have to work
off your student loans for the next decade...

Having spent 4 years in college ($23,000/year NOT
including room and board) I can honestly say these
little "make money online" systems have been the
greatest personal investment I've ever made.

In college I basically learned how to drink a lot
of beer through a plastic tube.

Not saying you need to buy my stuff... but just
look at the numbers:

$77 + some effort = HUGE potential for wealth
in a fairly short period of time

VS:

$23,000 x 4 years + HUGE effort = Guaranteed debt +
years at a low wage job (if you even get hired) +
a 99% chance you'll end your life deep in debt and
always wondering what could have been.

Pretty easy choice if you ask me

At the end of the day I personally spend around
$15,000 per quarter on "Make Money Online" products
and coaching.

I then put them to use and watch my income grow
on a weekly basis.

But that's the difference... I put them to use.

Like when I dropped around $2000 (not including
flight/hotel/food) to hit Yaniks event in DC...
(Flew 1st class so the event cost just under $10K total)

... 1 dude I met there + 1 hour on the phone after
the event turned into over $33,000 in profit.
(and that's just ONE person...)

And it's still coming in!

That roughly $10K investment (which was super fun
btw) already paid for itself and because of the relationship
I developed is going to ad another 7 figures to my bottom
line over the next 12 - 18 months.

Totally good times.

Now... I've procrastinated enough here! Time to
get back to "work"

Have to prep for a nationally syndicated radio
interview...

Muwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

vnsv6

I have only recently started using the MSS and no results as yet but am still going through all the videos and clips and am starting to get alot of things done.

Id like any feedback and ideas on my blog thx guys