gerrie

In this time of financial panic I think it would be refreshing to find new information on Internet Marketing Products. Not the same old rehashed eBook information you find on the web.

Gerrie

NickR06

I'm not using it yet. As I only purchased this last night. Half way through the videos and ebooks. To be honest it looks good. It focuses on using free methods to market. There is a lot of material which I have not seen before.
Johnny Andrews comes across as a stand up sort of a guy. Only letdown is that I have yet to receive the bonus offered by the affiliate that I bought this through. I will give him another 24 hours and then email him.
From what I have seen it is well worth the price.

cscarpero

Mind reader. I just asked about it on this thread:

Money Siphon System

Now they are connected.

secretonlinebiz

Hi there, i am new in this forum. I had been researching about this money making system for 3 days. Still i cant decide on whether to invest in this system. This product had been launched for one month, is it still feasible to buy as most system after a month will be useless because it is excessive used by people. Any one had any feedback on the product. Would appreciate any feedback on this system

Thanks
Wayne

mudmat

Hi guys,

I just saw this product up there with some other famous products in the Clickbank marketplace..

It must be good considering a lot of people buy it..

Is it easy to implement?

secretonlinebiz

I read through countless of review on it, so far all the reviews are good. Some cons from the reviews include
1) Need to read at least twice to understand the system clearly.
2) Did not teach the very basic like installing clickbank or adwords etc.

So far thats the 2 cons i heard.

To all siphons user, just another quick question to my previous post, is there any backend services/product we need to purchase after paying for the product money siphon system itself.
Thanks
Would appreciate it.

Jordstheman

Yes, but is anyone actually making money using the money siphon system?

Paul Schlegel

That's really not a good way to determine how good a product is. Many of the very WORST products are the best-sellers.

There's an online marketing product ranked close to 11,000 Worldwide on Quantcast right now that is a terrible product that has been marketed like crazy.

pa321

i agree with you the fact that is a best seller doesnt mean it has to be good at all!!

Eben

ive made money from this. sorry hard to put a number of how much ive made specifically using this system since i used a mixture from a few other products along w/ some BH stuff tossed in for good measure but i estimate close to $5k in 2 months..

an eye opener for me was Part IV - Free Money Forever Siphon.. it sparked my interest with PPC -> CPA & CPM. along with some BH technique, this will make me a couple more grand easily..

ExtTrail2

We purchased last month. There is a lot of information and we love the instructional videos. Very descriptive.
A lot of the info is how to use free methods.
We have not even finished going through the information yet. There are also a lot of extra bonuses that were added that were not in the sales page, nice touch. Also some great interviews.
We are still working on the first two modules.
We think one of the biggest pluses is that Jonny answers all our questions, very promptly.

We will write again as we get through more of the info.

JonnyAndrews

Hey! Just checked this out to see if anyone was talking about this thing.

Glad to hear a lot of folks like it! I actually spent a butt-load of time/effort
and energy getting that stuff out and into a clear format.

There was one question up there about "will it still work after 30 days when everybody is using it..."

That's actually a good one:

The core of MSS focuses on using free methods (for newbies so you don't get killed in bad adwords clicks) to market new products...

So as long as new products come out... you can do it and it works great.

I wouldn't suggest using it for stuff that's been popular for a long time (Rocket Spanish as an example) As far as that goes you'll have one hell of a time beating out seasoned affiliates. (there are much faster ways)

However, you don't have to stick to the ClickBank circle by any means.

Also, if you have bought, please make sure you check out that "Secret Siphon" section. I show you how I run PPC (and how you can also use it with the free stuff) to find better keywords than just trademarks.

But if you're totally new, just stick to the basics in Module 1, get your feet wet, and you'll be all good.

And yea, as ExtTrail2 mentioned, if you have a question you can always shoot it over. I love working with people who are serious and actually want to make headway in this business.

DonDavis

Johnny- I bought this before it was revised. Was I supposed to receive the updated version or does that require another round of betting? - Thx.

JonnyAndrews

Nah, just shoot me a copy of your old receipt and I'll get you fixed up

diggdug

If you like, you can follow my daily experiences with the MSS on the following blog to get more info about the product:
siphonmoney.blogspot.com

Genechr

What is the difference between The Money Siphon System and The Guru Assassin?

diggdug

I don't have Guru Assassin, but from what I've been told, MSS is for newbies who don't have a product of their own. GA is for those who do have a product.

JonnyAndrews

Close. MSS is about affiliate marketing.
TGA is about launching your own stuff when you don't have your own stuff.

So no, you don't need anything to start with either of them

Zengrafix

Which one is recommended for a COMPLETE novice. That is easy to understand and that will earn me some money if I joined soon.

blillard

I just got the money siphon system and from the looks of it no one is actually the system the right way. I mean with some of the tactics no one is using. I think the doors are still wide open for anyone to kill it.

howdab2

1) IME, you need to read at least twice to understand any system clearly...
2) Thats very refreshing, cuz im tired of paying over and over and over again to have someone show me those for the millionth time...

Sounds like this ones a winner, im gonna check it out...

Thanks for all your info here, this has been a very helpful forum to help determine whether a product is worth buying

khtm

After reading all the Warrior feedback, I just took a leap and bought MSS. I'm going to try to get through the material as fast as I can (there's 31 files!!) and then I'll post a review in this thread.

JonnyAndrews

Ha! Thanks for the vote of confidence!

BTW, make sure you get on that webinar tonight. We're almost full and it's going to be beyond cool!

Jonny

khtm

^ Yep, I attended the webinar. Was a lot of fun - I learned a few tricks that I didn't know beforehand, and Jonny as usual was quite hilarious/insane

JonnyAndrews

Now... before you read this post I just want you to
know that I'm not *directly* responding to anyone
specifically...

it's more to a general audience...

Please forgive me for appearing totally out of my
mind... but I have to ask 2 questions which have
been burning in me for many, many months...

Q #1: Where are we right now?

&

Q #2: Why did we come here?

Now... I COULD be wrong, but I BELIEVE the
answers to these questions are:

A #1: An Internet Marketing Forum

A #2: To learn Internet Marketing & How to make
LOTS of money...

Yes?

Anyone?

Seriously... if I'm off base here I'd LOVE to
know so I can redefine my philosophy of life...

(BTW: anyone who heard my webinar tirade last
night about auto mechanics and pink curtains
will understand... )

Now, I *get* why somebody doesn't like an upsell...

The *theory* behind that makes sense...

I was even contacted prior to my launch by
a very nice gentleman who informed me he would
NOT be mailing his list of 500 unless I removed
the offending pages...

(And he was VERY insistent about it... with VERY
strong language... )

If you know me then you know I ALWAYS
strive to be tactful in all situations...

Therefore I was gentle in my reply... angelically
soft-handed if you will...

Every word in my response was crafted with the utmost
care, love and respect for this person and their feelings.

Let me see if I can remember my exact words...

Oh yes...

"Are you freaking serious?!?! Pull my upsell???
DUUUUUUUUUUUDE!

While I appreciate your opinions on the matter
the fact is upsells, ESPECIALLY ones that provide
quality information, are a staple part of every
good product.

Mine happens to be a totally independent
business model... NOT the "missing link"
that if you don't buy it you can't use the core
stuff...

THAT would be totally unethical...

You see, the reason I have been able to grow my
business from $0 to almost $1Million in less than
18 months...

Is because I have 2 very important things...

#1: Ethics. I actually strive to provide a VALUE
for the money my customers give me...

(Even if it's an upsell)

#2: I use Upsells! Without them I'd make
almost 40% less income AND would have 90%
less major partners helping spread the word...

So, good sir...

While I do value your opinion and the time it must
have taken to write such a compelling letter...

I feel the need to point out a small, but very
important possibility...

And please... forgive me if I overstep my
authority...

Have you not been in the same place doing the
same thing for many, many years?

And for all those years have you done nothing more
than complain about how you are constantly beset
by those who would *cheat* you?

Have you done nothing save for complain about
how you are *broke* and how there is nobody
who will *help* you?

What do you have to show for this pattern
of life you have chosen?

Nothing.

Nothing save for the venom in your veins and
your hot, pumping hatred for those who have
CHOSEN to rise above you and live lives no longer
governed by an angry, poverty fueled mindsets...

You, good sir...

(not anyone in this forum in any way at all but rather
the *GUY* who sent me an email before my launch)

... may wish to rethink your opinions on the marking
process for which you seem to so desperately quest...

Would it not prove more profitable to you LEARN FROM
and ACT ON the advice given by those you wish to hate?

Because, and this is only in *MY* humble experience and
opinion...

... when you openly reject those golden
answers you have been desperately searching for...

You are essentially pissing on your own future.

With *ALL* my love and respect,

Jonny"

... Yea... I think that's what I said to the *GUY*
who emailed me a few weeks ago...

Didn't bring it up for any reason... Just thought
it might be an interesting topic of discussion.

Bueller? Bueller?

Genechr

You're right Jonny...It's obvious that some people who bought your product didn't grab the full concept of internet marketing. I've had Guru Assassin for about four months and to be honest I've made around $17.00. Now I know that's not a car payment or that it took a chunk out of my mortgage, but I'm still learning. Believe me everyone, LEARNING is the key to these products.

It would be nice if the steps were a little more basic. By that I mean getting a handle on building a list, getting a really good landing page, putting it all together on a website...etc.

I get tons of offers that try to get me to purchase something. And I've purchased several of them. Getting them to work for me is another story. I'm trying but I know it takes time and most of all effort, (not to mention upselling)

Francesc

Hi all!
I just wanted to ask if there any PPC costs involved, because I'm 18 and I don't have credit cards.

I'm member of the affiloblueprint and I'm looking to complement it with this course

Genechr

Clumein2,

Was it the $7 trial that you rejected? If it is you did the right thing. You're not the type to take instruction from anyone. It took me several months to understand some of the stuff in Jonny's Guru Assassin and I'm still trying. You saw that you'd have to pay to get the full version and you reject it.

Do you get upset when you test drive a car and are asked to pay for it when you drive it back to the dealership?

You never gave it a try. I guess, doing your own thing should get you the success you're looking for. I enjoy the instruction Jonny provides. I know that if I did what you did, I'd never attempt to pursue an online business.

ericjohnson1981

The best systems you will NEVER find on an ebook. Mark my words! If you really want a new system be prepared to pay some SERIOUS money, not a $100 ebook.

khtm

Wow clumein2 you really got bent out of shape over something pretty insignificant.

Who cares if Jonny doesn't talk like everyone else or does upsells? That's just how he is and how he chooses to do business. And it obviously works for him. I hate using the term but to each his own is perfect for this situation.

Sean S

What is the money siphon system ? Is it the oposit of the reverse funnel system ? Sorry I'm new at this ...

Eben

i just checked out his money siphon system 2.0.. not much different than what he released last sept. very newbie friendly.

but my one take away was a website he mentioned that i previously had no knowledge of.

Kiwigal

I don,t think what clumein said was insignificant, my personal opinion is that the product maybe good, but that type of upsell I think has gone way past it,s use by date.

stayfocused

I can only add this to the mix. Upsells will stop being used only when they stop being effective.

It kills me the amount of people on this forum who complain about getting marketed to. It is a rough and tumble world out there online. Competition is tough and if you want to get your piece of the pie you have to play for keeps.

As long as your marketing tactics allow you to shut your eyes at night with a clear conscious then by all means do them. The only question is how many hundred dollar bills is your pillow made out of?

midiman

i just bought MSS and actually im a bit disappointed with the service straight away i payed with paypal receaved an email saying to go to other page to confirm and then i also bought the Module X that was in that page ...went to a diferent page insert email address and password because i didnt receave any email with that i put forgot password then insert email address again ... and ...Error: Your username is not listed
i reply to the support i got this
Please check the email address associated with your purchase.
You should have received the login info via email.

If not, simply go to :
DLGuard Membership System

Use your email address (found on the ClickBank receipt)
and your ClickBank order # as the password.

If you paid via PayPal DO NOT use your PayPal
receipt #... you need your ClickBank receipt #.

If you cannot find it, simply click link to recover
your password and enter the email you used to purchase.

Everything will be sent to your email.


Jonny


that was not jonny for sure ...
i reply again saying that didnt work ....
and im still waiting we didnt start so good

2bwealthy

I had the samething happen. I put in password reminder ( enter paypal email address) and received the password. It was the same as the clickbank ref #.
System is kind of weird though, since I never had a chance to enter a username/password in the first place.

KentuckyJeff

Glad I had a look at your blog before I dropped the money on MSS.

Thanks

JonnyAndrews

Ha! No... dude, that's a GREAT question.

MSS is all about starting with nothing (like I did)
and then building up. The new stuff shows
you how to use free systems to get paid
instantly.

Yes, I do show you some very effective
PPC stuff... but I FLAT OUT state you should
NOT start with it.

Hence Module 0 -1 NOT being about PPC.

Hope that helps

JonnyAndrews

Hit up the support desk again and reference this post.

There have been a few (as in less than 10) folks
who had some issues getting the system to recognize them.

If you're one of them... I created a fix.

Just make sure you toss your CB receipt # and
let me know it's you!

And yes... even though I just sold my 11,356th unit of stuff...

I still help out the support desk

winsonlim

Hi Johny,
I have received an email from Mike Filsaime about your new product launch on Money Siphon System.

I have take a look at your salesletter and think for awhile about what kinds of information are you selling. I have read all the reviews on the post have no clue what kind of information are your selling.

In my opinion, information products helps a marketer understand the basics of marketing and shows a specific strategy in marketing certain products and services. Be it an affiliate product or selling personal product.

I have seen Jeff Johnson new membership product launch and he is basically covering the basics and concepts about using Web 2.0 properties to dominate Google.

ClickBank Quantum was launched few days ago, that is one high end product and it seems to be very popular and in great demand. And the product is focusing on PPC, CPA offers and CPM.

So my question is can you explain what is the difference between your products and the above 2 products mentioned?

The reason why I ask as I feel that people has to understand that reading info products and watching videos does not help a person to make money online, it is when someone can provide the tools and service to help that person to get started, to have a marketing system up and running that speed up the chances of success faster.

Nobody wants to start as a complete newbie in this business. Niches-in-a-box is one membership that provides this kind of incredible value to their members.

I have seen a lot of product and membership launches that sells information products but did not provide the tools and service to help their members to have a website up and running. Be it, if it is a online business or offline business, in order to have a long term business, there must have a system in the business.

The system whereby can generates residual income to the business owner in auto pilot. Yes, there is indeed, different kinds of method of making money online, but let's be truthful here, it is only a business system that will outranks the rest of the businesses and can provide a long term residual income for that individual person.

The marketing system that I am talking about is the list building system. It is not new and neither old. If a marketer truly wants to help newbies to get started, first, we need to tell the truth, not half truth.

Most marketers like to say in their salesletters about the half truth but not entirely the truth. In most of the sales page, there is a few keywords that seems to appear over and over again. "This system works" "No B.S" "Guranteed to make money if you apply this system" "Life changing product".

So as a marketer, one has to focus on providing value and tell the truth to get the person to understand, what is it that one cannot afford not to do to get started in internet marketing.

So back to my question, can you explain what is the difference between your products and the above 2 products mentioned?

I hope my words does not offended you as I want to uncover the mysteries and myth here.

Looking forward to receive your reply.

Winson

Izesta

Two things immediately hit me as "Hmmm."

1st: The ad page for MSS says Andrews earned over $242,078.44. What does that mean? Did he earn $242,078.45? What's the point of using a dollar amount down to the exact penny, and then claim you made more? Makes no sense. Comes across as the usual attempt to persuade with numbers, but Andrews was so intent on selling with braggadocio, he lost track of the meaning.

2nd: On the sales/ad page, there are a ton of testimonials. But most are flat, generic comments that say, "yeah, it works." Andrews himself is one of the very few who make any specific comment about whether they made the grandios profits. Wonder why some of those people aren't commenting here.

Call me a dreamkiller, but 99% of the time, my heart believes all these so-called gurus are selling systems and that's how they are making money. Whether the system works or not is immaterial. It's selling the system that is the plan. And then the latest gotcha is to dump so much useless stuff into the package that the buyer feels like they got $77 worth of stuff even if they didn't make any money with it. After all, it's free for the marketer to send it. Just a bunch of videos and ebooks.

My last 5 cents. When someone finds something that works like magic to bring in money online, he'she is not going to rush out and sell it to the masses UNLESS they leave out critical sections of the success plan so it cannot be duplicated OR they sell the system for a ton of money - which is what a real workable system would be worth.

One final thought, I know marketers love the 55 mile long sales page. But when I see one, my antennae go up to the highest degree of speculation. It's probably all fluff.

acsmith

Normally, I would just keep my mouth shut and just mind my own business. I hope that this first and only post to this forum doesn't get me kicked out, But I must make a stand. After reading certain posts here, I have something to say. Basically I am answering my own question, Why am I here?

- #1 Reason, I want to learn IM and AF Marketing, or real basic,
I want to make $$$$$$
- #2 Reason, Hopefully I can make a few friends along the way.

Now this may be a cool place to just hang out, but I would venture to say that most of us are here to share our experiences, learn from each other, and become better at what we do! Bottom line, make more money.
Warrior Forum, being a free forum, and their willingness to accept all comers, ( Hey! They even let me in! ) I, am privileged to be able to have access to some of the biggest names in internet marketing. To be able to pick their brains, learn from their mistakes, and not make so many of my own. FOR FREE!!!
I was surprised to actually see some here despise basic sales so much, I would have to ask them, Why are you here? Up selling is the basic of basics of sales and marketing. It's as basic and simple as.... Would you like fries with that?... or, Would you like a dessert now? Sales and marketing is all about the up sell, that's the most common method to put more $$$ in the register.
Now, let's talk about Jonny Andrew's Money Siphon, This is for you gerrie. I myself have purchased this product, but before I go on, I must say a few things about Jonny. First I've never met him, and after he dissed me on twitter, well I'll wont repeat some of the choice names I've used for him. Long story short, I don't care for the guy very much. But that's personal, and this is business.
Jonny's MSS Is different from all the other Affiliate Marketing Guides and that's just what they are, GUIDES. Just tools and information. Can you make money with it? That question can only be answered by you, and you alone. Jonny's system takes a different approach, He really pushes the free ways of making money, but what interest me, he thinks outside the box. Turning his focus away from Clickbank towards other avenues of finding products to sell and finding Keywords with commercial intent. there is allot of very good and useful information. I would say that it's a good investment. If you choose to invest in this product, Do Not Buy Any Thing Else... Concentrate on one system at a time. Otherwise you'll confuse yourself. You have 60 Days to to try it out. If you can't make it work, just request a full refund, and you will get your money back.

lovina

Dude, loved your post! It was f....(ha ha)

THANK YOU ACSMITH.

I for one am really happy with the nature of your first post. Finally, a voice of reason, on a thread entitled "Anyone using the money siphon system?" which indicates a request for reviews by those USING it.

As I am also considering investing in the product, I came here to get the same question answered (due diligence via info. from people using it).

It saddens me when I come to a thread for information only to see it instantly degraded into a flame-fest about something else entirely.

I am not here for rants or debates about upsells (much less by those not USING what I've come to get information about). I'm sure there are threads for the whole UPSELL debate. If that's what I'm looking for that's where I'll go.

I am "here" at the Warrior forum for the same reasons you are. In fact, to date the war room may be the best investment (cost for value) that I've ever made. So, once again, thank you, as a user of the system for your time, consideration and objective input.

It is what made my visit to this thread worthwhile...and is yet another example of the kinds of people we often have the privilege of "meeting" here.

Woody C

I love that Jonny is doing something that most other marketers aren't willing to do: offer a trial period. You can test out his product for $4.95, people!

I'm sure you can find that in the cracks of your couch. Get it and read the pdf's and watch the videos. If you don't like it then cancel...and you are out of $4.95 and come away with at least a few new ideas.

As far as upselling goes, this is just classic marketing. Yes, it is to make the seller more money, but a lot of people will also get a great need and help out of these upsells. If they aren't for you, then don't whine and cry because ultimately you can NOT take them up on the upsells. Did you hear that? YOU have the choice. It's not like he is forcing you to pull money from your bank account.

Rather than coming on here and bashing the sales page and sales processes of a product, how about actually giving a REVIEW of the product? That is ultimately what people on this part of the forum are looking for.

cscarpero

I bought this product when it first came out last Fall. It has some very solid concepts. The first one is the product launch siphon. This absolutely works if you get a page to rank highly on Google and its a popular product. Seems to work best on internet marketing type products. On every single product that I've promoted like this that had any success at all, I've made sales.

The next one is CPA offers. You need to be careful with this if you do it the way Jonny outlines as the networks are cracking down on incentivizing. Still, I did a twist on this and made money.

Jonny makes some good points about rebill offers and high end programs. I'm getting into promoting more of these lately.

All in all a very solid course.

JonnyAndrews

cscarpero, Woody Crenshaw

You dudes rock!

Anyway, sorry for the late response... I've been
all cooped up answering questions for that crazy
"elite" group of people who actually put into action
the products in which they invest...

For those asking if Money Siphon really "works"
I'm not sure if you saw the guy who made like 20K...

I know anything under 50.6 BILLION in 85 seconds
isn't really worth talking about... but us info
Product publishers just have to make due with
what we have

On the other hand.. and this isn't about me
tooting my own horn...

...But maybe, just maybe there's a reason I hired a
full time guy to sit around and implement MY OWN
products for me in multiple markets...

One potential answer to that is I'm a HUGE bleeding heart
who feels the need to fling copious wads of cash willy-nilly
to any who need a "job"...

The other answer... um... that one I'll let you stew on for
a while.

Jonny

PS: acsmith, dude, I JUST read that thingy about you and me
on Twitter. I don't run my own Twitter account!

I let an affiliate set it up and since then I've had
to pull back and start a totally new one which I
still can't seem to find the time to check.

So if you were dissed, it was not by me personally!

That's not how I operate.

JonnyAndrews

Winson,

Wow, that's a TON of questions... Let me see if I
can break them down:

Haven't used all the products you talked about so
I'm not going to be 100% able to cover everything.

All I can tell you is what Money Siphon is/does and why:

If you're new/struggling you have ZERO place
getting into the PPC game. You'll lose your shirt
and go broke so fast it'll make your head spin.

However... if you start by using free methods
that teach you the psychology/mechanics behind
how this game works, you essentially get paid
to learn.

From there you take the same psychology/mechanics
and apply them to different aspects of online biz.

That would be PPC/Social Media/JV's etc...

End result? By starting where I show you how to start
and by applying the various techniques and systems...

You're able to quickly and effectively build yourself a MASSIVE
internet business from the ground up.

I have yet to find a product that is able to teach the
big picture from zygote to full blown adulthood.

Regarding your list concept:

Yes, at the end of the day you need a list... but
the truth is if you're new and struggling or don't
have any idea how to market (made no money)

You don't stand a snowballs chance in hell
of running a successful listbuilding campaign from
day one...

You DO however stand a chance building up
to list building.

THAT is what I show you how to do. Take it
from 0 - X level. Without that reality nobody
will ever make it.

Hope that helps!

Jonny

winsonlim

Hi Jonny,

Thanks for your reply. Btw I want to do something like a Product Launch
to my email list. Frank Kern Mass Control and Jeff Walker Product Launch
Formula are both great but not available and quite costly.

So my question is does your money siphon system teaches about product
launch?


Can I request to buy your money siphon system resell rights if I think
your system is good after trying?

Winson

JonnyAndrews

Those are great products! I own and use both.

The trouble you'll run into is the vast amount of
info and scale of what needs to be done in order
to implement those systems.

For the new and struggling it's a very, very large
gamble that anything will get off the ground.

Money Siphon does not teach about launching
your own stuff. It DOES teach about being
an affiliate for that stuff.

If you're into doing your own thing then you'll want
to check out The Guru Assassin. (Soon to be pulled)

THAT product will show you how to build a product
from nothing. I created it in such a way so as to
illustrate the reality of this business but also to
show anything is possible so long as you're willing
to keep pushing.

You'll find success in most anything is a simple
"lather/rinse/repeat" formula.

Do I offer resell rights? No. Not with that stuff.

I am about to do something a bit different where
you'll get your own thingy... but that's either next
month or the month after.

Hope that helps

Jonny

edjamison

hey jonny,

i emailed your support about a week ago and
still haven't got a response.

trying to get a download link for my mss 1.0
version. my original download page has been
moved or inactivated.

also, was trying to find out if 2.0 was completely
different or just updated?

what's the best way to get customer service?

thanks,
ed