David Neale

troon have you tried going to the login page and clicking on 'reset password' and then resetting?

that worked for me

David Neale (formerly "raveon")
www.web-scape.com | Google AdWords Qualified Individual

tommyp

David, if you haven't looked at the bonuses yet you should.

I haven't gone through the course. I went through the bonuses first (only a couple I only just started) because that's why I got it (I mean, $77 for SpeedPPC and that's just one thing. Are you kidding me???) and I just finished watching Howie Schwartz's videos.

A lot of what that guy said is exactly what I believe and I got a real kick out of it and the rest I was like "That is such a good idea".

At least that one right there is pure 60 to 90 minutes of solid information. I think it's part of a larger course. I had never heard of the guy before.

Another reason to grab the bonuses first is because there may be a time limit for which to get them.

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David Neale

Quickly looked at the bonus stuff and it looks good.

You don't get SpeedPPC for nothing though, that would seriously upset previous customers. You can get a 60 day free trial from what I can tell.

But even that's a very good deal.... plenty of time to see if it makes you money.

David Neale (formerly "raveon")
www.web-scape.com | Google AdWords Qualified Individual

tommyp

Yea, but then if you want you can get the PPC Classroom discount if you want to keep it. I think it's 40% off or about $200 off.

60 days gives time to use it a lot I guess :-)

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themarketingdirt

Zero customer support? Buying and not getting the login immediately....Credit cards charged twice! That's scary... I wanted to buy the product but reading this post gave me 2nd thoughts...

Chazzer

I wish I'd read this thread on Thursday morning before breaking out my credit card...

I too have had the same problems -- with the added bonus (gee I just love bonuses, don't you?) of no response from the affiliate whom I went through.

On the other hand, early this morning I located Amit's blog at SuperAffiliateMindset dot com and posted a comment. (HINT: HE'S READING HIS COMMENTS SO IF YOU GO THERE YOU'LL GET THROUGH...) Of course he didn't approve (gee...I wonder why) or post it (which makes me doubt the integrity of this program), however he emailed me the following:

"I'm forwarding this to our product manager. You have my personal promise that we will take care of this. My apologizes for the inconvenience.

Sincerely,
Amit Mehta"

Have I heard from their product manager yet??? Oh heck no. So I sincerely wonder what a "personal promise" is worth?

I'd love to say that I think this is worth it, but I can't since I have no idea...

***sighs and goes to get another cup of coffee***


Chaz

indopro

everything is ok on my end right now :-)

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troon

David - I tried the password reset several times but no response. I have their email whitelisted and also check spam folder regularly.

David Neale

I just received this. It may help. Frankly the bonuses are worth the $77 on their own. I could go into detail but it's easy to read about them for yourself. I'm not associated with these guys in any way but I will probably become an affiliate if I ever find the time.

Hi

I'd like to introduce myself, my name is Fields
Marshall, I am the lead trainer for PPC Classroom 2.
I really look forward to working with you and I personally
welcome you to the group!

I also want to personally apologize that this support issue
persists, we are literally just 1-2 days away from having
everything fixed up. Then, we will make an announcement
that really makes it up to you - promise!

HOWEVER - GOOD news!

I have made a quick video which could really help
you understand exactly what's involved in resetting
your password so you can get started right away!!


You may have tried before but please follow the
instructions in this video:


ppcclassroomaccess


Currently, and as a security measure, we are
unable to see your password therefore you must try to
reset the password yourself.

Remember - the login area is

Home : PPC Classroom 2.0 | Discover the Secrets of a $2.4 Million PPC Affiliate

The password page

Home : PPC Classroom 2.0 | Discover the Secrets of a $2.4 Million PPC Affiliate

Again sorry for the delay in attending to your login issue
but we have been ( with 12 bonuses today ) and will be
(more news on Monday) making up for the technical issues
with great content.

If you have ANY more technical issues or billing issues
please know that we have noted them and will be getting to them
ASAP.

If you need more assistance please email
support@affiliateclassroom.com and we promise to get
to you as soon as possible.

Once again, Welcome To PPC Classroom!

Sincerely,

Fields Marshall
Lead Trainer
PPC Classroom

David Neale (formerly "raveon")
www.web-scape.com | Google AdWords Qualified Individual

fbeach_73

i dont even have time to dedicate to this thread on ppc classroom .. the guys put 2gether a real lackluster effort and to this day have yet to respond to my support tickets
I have since day 1 not been able to access content and for the short time I did have access, it all seemed like version 1 all over again

they are handing support ticket inquiries off to a site called Affiliate Classroom .. Dude named Andrew Ahn has been responding with a generic BS email from the support ticket, telling me to log back into the ppclassroom area and submit another ticket cause all the problems they had from day 1 are messing their backend up etc

So weve played this charade for a good 5 days now, and today I went inside members area at ppcclassroom, only to find ALL links inside members area lead to a page like this:

You Do Not Permission To Access This Page
BACK

not only am I not impressed with their course, I am totally unimpressed with how people take the money and TRY to run in this IM Biz..

They were not one bit ready to launch and for the life of me I can still not figure out why so many went to bat for them (big names who offered bonus etc)

Buyer Beware, I will be in contact with Visa on Monday they are already familiar with this situation and are in fact investigating multiple complaints (I can only assume cause of this issue right here)

elofmark

Thanks, David, for the help. I really appreciate it.

I went through their video, and used your links to try and reset my PW, but as usual, no email is sent to me, so how can I reset my PW? I sent a second email to support@affiliateclassroom.com and still nothing. I have posted 3 times on PPC 2.0 blogs, as well as Amit's blog. Still nothing.

I know they have me in their system, because I got ONE email from them yesterday saying that their server would be down for one hour. Big deal.

Stephen

fbeach_73

Same message over and over from him i have got since tues:

*** important message

I'm terribly sorry for the trouble, and I am aware that
many of your tickets have been in here waiting patiently
for a reply however, this support center cannot assist
you in your billing matters for the recent release of PPC
Classroom 2.0.

I implore you to please resubmit your ticket to the PPC
Classroom support center if you have not already.

You can find the link to this support center on the bottom
of the members are once you have logged into the site.

If it is the case that you cannot log into the PPC Classroom
please enter your e-mail address to the link below:

Home : PPC Classroom 2.0 | Discover the Secrets of a $2.4 Million PPC Affiliate

And you will be given a link that will allow you to reset your
password. Please be sure to this this once as the password
changes each time this is done.

If you are having trouble with that please e-mail me personally
at Andrew@AffiliateClassroom.com and we'll try to get your issue
resolved within 24-48 hours.

If you have already submitted a ticket and/or sent an e-mail to me
please DO NOT send another message. If you have not received a reply
in 48 hours please let me know, but I assure you we have all of your
messages and will get to in a prompt fashion. If your issue has been
resolved please disregard this message.

Thanks very much,

Andrew Ahn
Affiliate Classroom

elofmark

This is a circus! Where are the clowns? It's turning into a comedy of errors.



I just got an email from support@affiliateclassroom.com with my login information.

However, they didn't include my password.

Here's how it was:

Password:

I'm thinking they should be investigated by their state's AG office.

Stephen

tommyp

I understand the frustration. I really do. But how can you say you are not impressed with the course when all you got was error pages clicking on links in the member's area? If that's true you couldn't have seen the course, unless you forgot to say that you were only able to see that part.

I'm not going back on my original post but that's apples and oranges. That post was about upsells and misleading people.

Things like this can happen. I've never experienced it but I can imagine that it can be daunting and so bad that even though it's been five days they have trouble fixing it and maybe they really are trying.

Whoever is unhappy should just get a refund if possible and if you can't get in touch with them or a response for a refund then just do a charge back if you can.

Just because this is going on doesn't mean they are intentionally scamming anyone.

I hope you can get your money back.

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I am thinking of signing up for it but I think I shall wait another day or two to see.

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John Collins

Can any body tell me how many bonuses are trials with or without a discount to buy. I find this deceptive and not to be a bonus but a lure leading to additional sales. Even if they say members get a 40% discount you can believe they are still going to get a 10% to 20% commission beyond that for funneling their members.

I had some additional launch partner bonus offers today and almost decided to buy but checked in here again. But I guess I'll sleep on it at least once. I just don't get how something like PPC can be so complicated. These guys learned it. It may have taken them a long time to master it and with all the monthly options it sounds like joining and learning at PPC C2 will take a long time too.

It's like being hooked up to a drip feeder and somebody else is controlling the drips. You pay under the impression of learning faster but are you really learning faster or being milked faster than you learn. Just something to think about. Also when people give you info and niches and they do the same thing I think they hold back the best for themselves and throw you the crumbs or what is slowing down for them. Just thinking out loud.

Sometimes you learn more from multiple sources than from one. What one person will hold back another will offer freely. Sometimes when you want to know something if you ask nice you get the answer free. This initially sounds
like there is a reasonable price to learn PPC but I see different numbers as the months pass by. I wonder how many members will make their money back in the end. That's a lot of clicks.

For now until I decide yay or nay I found a PPC course in the War Room that seems pretty good. I'm only up to module six of fourteen. Good info - Text and video in each. Free for members of the War Room (Thanks Allen) It's the first thread so it's popular and active. Not only that but you have access to all the other exceptional info and help in the War Room. Possibly the best value per cost I spent this year. (Thanks again Allen and members of the War Room). Did I mention NO SUPPORT ISSUES for the War Room and you won't be looking for a refund. Just my opinion. Something productive to do while you're waiting for your customer support emails to find your inbox.

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Derekis

Hi econos,

I second your opinion. Anyone can give a more detailed comparison of Commission Blueprint against PPC Classroom.

Many thanks in advance.

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Chazzer

Well, after trading emails back and forth with Amit yesterday, come to find out they didn't charge my cc. Interestingly enough, they had the correct cc number but it wasn't charged. Makes me concerned that I'll be double charged now. I did go ahead and put another $77 on it just to see what they have, however went for none of the upsells that I did on Thursday.

I did send them the following...

I've thought long and hard about this and decided that I will purchase PPC Classroom but this time I passed on all your upsells -- only opting for the $77 program. It's too bad that due to this you've lost over $400 but I simply can't trust you guys. Also, when I went in to purchase, all my cc details still remained in the system. This is scary.

Apologies aside, you simply can't run a business like this. I may not be a guru like you guys, I may not be a PhD, and honestly, I'm suck ass broke -- but at least I know how to treat people and how to run a business.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I hope they get the idea but I seriously doubt they will...possibly after most ppl cancel after they received their bonuses, which I think will probably happen.


Chaz

TessaRose

Don't go there! Blimey O'Reilley. I tried to get a refund as I wasn't that impressed and was suddenly locked out of their support system and website. No reply to my emails or support requests. Zilch. There's no other way of contacting these guys ... suppose i'll just have to contact my CC company and get the next payment blocked.

I'd be careful with this one. Not saying they're dishonest but their system is in no way set up properly ... i think i just got burned.

Blitzian

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Yes the PPC Course inside the war room is a good one. So many people have contributed so much value inside of the war room forum that there is nothing that compares to the war room.

Is doing PPC as an affiiliate really that complicated?
No its not and it isnt simple either. On the surface it looks simple - right offer=> targeted keywords=>targeted ads=>targeted landing pages=>speicific merchant pages

However you need to achieve the right combination of (offer, keywords, ads, landing pages) which takes a lot of trial and error. And remember every click costs you. If you aren't meticulous about your numbers you would lose money faster than you make some.

So all that a training course is going to do you is make you aware of how you should approach ppc, give you some tools to accelerate the process and help you not lose money. Beyond that you still need to put in a lot of effort and succeed by trial and error only.

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David Neale

These guys did a great product launch. One of the worst product deliveries in history.

BUT

They're not crooks (in my opinion). The $77 is well worth it.

It compliments the Commission Blueprint offer (The CB guys second this also).

This in today

++++++++++++++++++++++++

We have GREAT news today, it just keeps
getting BETTER and BETTER!

Please read it all the way through:

=====================
1. 99.8% Errors & Access Issues RESOLVED =====================

We've been working around the clock,
but we've figured everything out and
everyone is already inside getting trained.

Actually we already have REALLY awesome
stories - success stories!

IF, you are having ANY problem at all,
I mean technical problem - please limit
this to only technical problems, then
read this post, and fill out the form by clicking the link at the bottom of it.

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** PLEASE limit the questions you place
there to ONLY technical errors or access issues.

Continue to use the ticketing system for anything else.

=====================
2. Our Emails Are Being Blocked By Some...
=====================

SBCGolbal, ATT and BellSouth are blocking us and we're doing everything we can to unblock. But, for now if your e-mail is using these, you're not going to get our mails.

** Most likely you're not even read this : /

Read this blog post to know what you can do to fix this...

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I literally have 3 e-mails in my inbox in the last 2 hours from SUCCESS STORIES. Students are already implementing and getting great results.

If you have not yet started, what are you waiting for? Get started right away!

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4. Time To Make It Up To You!
=====================

We understand how frustrating this was for a few of you. It's not how we feel you should be treated, it was just Murphy's law in play.

BUT, of course we take responsibility and you just watch! We're about to start making it up to you in a BIG way.

Amit and I have some crazy plans in store for everyone!

Alright, get back to studying, I have more updates but will send them a bit later!

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PPC Classroom

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tommyp

You're right, technical issues aside, PPCC 2.0 is actually very good so far. Jeremy Palmer's PPCC 1.0 course was great but it things went wrong and I won't get into the rest. Let's hope things begin to run more smoothly and they don't repeat some of the things from the first time around.

The monthly for this one is lower than it was for the first membership. I'm not even sure if the first membership is still around and in a separate directory or if it was done away with and 1.0 members just automatically brought over to the 2.0 membership.

But the forum still appears to be unavailable and if it continues this way we won't really get to try it before getting charged the second month. At least I can't get to it.

And the course is designed in a way to make you feel like you have to stay a member.

What happens if you don't want the monthly can we still get to the material we paid $77 for? (rhetorical)

The first time I couldn't access the membership site and membership forum for almost 3 months because it appeared that my ip was blocked and so I had no way to contact them.

I finally managed to get through by proxy (after I found one that worked) and told Fields Marshall.

Was I paying those 3 months? You bet I was.

After I was able to get back in normally I canceled immediately and told customer support the situation. I asked them to meet me half way (less!) and at least refund me the last month. They did not but I got a nice "You will not be billed anymore. Let us know if there is anything we can do for you" completing ignoring my request for a refund for just one of measly month out of three without access (I was ready to return Mass Control Monthly at my expense when I asked for a refund but even they said "Go ahead and keep it and if you get next month's package by accident just keep that too and don't worry about it")

I was able to login in to the site for a limited time (not to the forum but to the control panel where the ticket system, material, etc., was linked) and I was curious to see if I could still get the material that came out while I paid, and not to my surprise I couldn't. It's okay because I downloaded the whole site before I canceled.

This time it's $77 for material that has to be viewed from the member's area. I would be wise of them to make sure people who don't go for the monthly membership or cancel can still login to access what they paid $77 for because if not this **** storm will be nothing compared to the one that will come.

Without commenting on all the doubt inducing upselling "you have to get or elses" and finagling cliffhangers to stay on as a paying member the material in the modules (so far) is very good with minor no big deal complaints from me.

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Dear all,

I will not comment the value of the product itself, because it is too soon to do it, but I have something else to share with you: what to expect from their customer support.

So, I (tried?) to purchase the product / subscription and it went well, until the first upsell. Taking a closer look, I said, what a heck, let give it a try... So, I "upgraded" the order, BUT something went wrong, the transaction didn't go through and I've been instructed to use another CC. I must mention that I have access to the real time stats of my bank account(s), so first thing first was to check IF they took / blocked ANY money from the "failed" order. Guess what? Everything was as supposed, NO change into my account's balance.
The main reason to make this check was the fact that after the "failed" transaction, I had to start all over, again, from the beginning. So, being sure that the transaction "failed", I decided to start from scratch, using a second EMAIL ADDRESS and a second CC... This time all went properly and I took only the first upsell.
On this second email address, I got 4 emails but none into the other one, used with the "failed" transaction. Somehow normal.
Why these emails are important? They contain the invoices and the (preset) credentials in order to access THE site.
Next day, I've been unpleasantly surprised to see that the money went out, over the night, from BOTH accounts. Moreover, it took me an entire day (24 hours) to figure out that the entity which took the money was "affiliateclassroom.com" and not PPC classroom. So, I jumped again in their sales letters, web site, customer support of affiliateclassroom.com and managed to get a phone number.
So, the second day (last Friday actually), I called each half an hour that number, only to find out that NO ONE is available to take my calls, at their billing department. All day, no one.
Next step, was to open a support account at "Affiliateclassroom.com" and file a complain for being billed twice. Hours later, (please read "very fast" in this context) I've been informed that the support ticket was closed, because affiliateclassroom.com is NOT giving assistance for such issues, even if THEY took the money from my account and not PPC one... Moreover, I've been instructed to go to "PPC classroom" FORUM and register for a support account. They even supposed that I may have LOST my (preset credentials) password and "gently" provided me a link (from PPC classroom, obviously) in order to reset it...

So, while there was NO email ever received on that email account, obviously, there was NO access at all to their site, because they left NOTHING publicly available, as would be "normal": contact us / customer support area.

Nice, isn't it? So, what I did next was to use the ONLY login credentials that I had, browse for the support area, open an account and copy & paste my complain from the site that actually took the money. This happened on Saturday, by the way.

At the time I am writing you about this unique experience that I enjoy with PPC, NO ONE issued ANY answer to MY problem, even if a full working day (Monday) already passed...

Obviously, it is a problem being billed twice by whatever company which DOES NOT answer the phone, which DOES NOT offer at least the "billing" issues assistance and which forwards you towards a restricted access site, where no one seems to deal with ANY issues at all.

I look forward to see if something "moves" on their side... And obviously, let you know.

If, by any chances, someone form PPC is reading this, I strongly suggest to use HIS time to read first the support tickets. And if he still has some time left, to answer them...

askloz

if you need help, use fields @ affiliateclassroom.com and he'll help you out.

The forum will be up in a week or so, their sorting it out trying to fix some bugs and integrate it with the members area.

As for those not impressed with the course material... I've had a look and it's a LOT better than the PPC Classroom 1.0 version, 1000% times better.

Any hows, accessing the forum is the least of people's worries right now, for as long as they can access what they paid for, that's all that counts.

All the best, Loz

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tommyp

And the first 30 days free access to the forum had better begin counting down from when the forum does open and not counting from the time people bought PPCC2.0

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askloz

Of course it would be, what do you take these guys for? Rip off merchants? If that's the case, why buy the bloomin' thing if you have these things on your mind.. struth... Anik and Amit are probably one of the most honest and legit people around on the internet - rare thing these days...

Just give them some time to sort out the programming problems and you'll be told when the forum is open.

Patience is a virtue... and until that time, learn all that decent stuff in the members area.

All the best, Loz

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ankur sharma

well i want to purchase , but i feel scary after reading this stuff. I love all the bonuses. One thing for sure i will join if and if they allow me to join via paypal. I love to use almost all the options of payment like all major credit cards and paypal. I even use alertpay . Because i dont want to lose any buyer. But i am sure if amit is using only credit card then there is some reason for it. I am sure they know they are losing lot of customers because of no paypal option.

This also means they can cover up this lose by some other way. Whats the way , i have no idea. I just received an email they are going to close this down after 2 hours. I dont know when your forum is not working, your support system is working so bad. How you can close it all?

I wonder why so many big guns are promoting this stuff. They havnt even tested the entire thing and they are sending emails to all the subscribers.

I havnt seen anyone warrior here who will say "This course kick ass and i earned x amount of dollars" . Anyone?

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askloz

Ignore those other negative people. Once you get inside the members area you'll see what it's all about and it's definitely worth the money... If you're not happy, you can always ask for a refund.

I've already said that this course is top notch... I got in at the PPC Classroom version 1, back in 2007, I was even on their member of staff at the Las Vegas Event... you might even see me in the videos (I'm on the right hand side sitting on the staff chair...lol)

I went from $6k down, not making a sale, to a year later spending around $60-100k a month with Adwords. Go figure, what they show must work. And that's before Amit arrived. There's stuff there that wasn't even shown in the first group. And cheaper this time round to-boot.

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ashenjr

I was not a big fan of this course. I feel like they take a long time to tell you things that most already know. I also felt like they were sucessful and wanted to make money off of that. They are not going to give you there secrets or really show you how they make money. IMO

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askloz

well, although your entitled to your opinion, your wrong. You don't know them. I do. You haven't tried out their previous course, I have. I've made money from their course. I'll tell you now, if you think you know it all with adwords, and can make $30K+ a month constantly, then great, you don't need it. You might know it all, but I doubt very much you do. There's no bars held here when it comes to the information in the members area, the same stuff Amit teaches his own students who are absolutely killing it in PPC.

Go figure, I guess they don't know what they are talking about.

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Mary Green

The course is great. I joined the second I could on launch day through a secret link that was open for all of 5 minutes and I paid double. I also bought an upsell but asked for a refund and have had that all taken care of. I know they are working on the techinical side of things and they are trying to get everything in order. It was annoying that they started with such a mess, but it is more than worth the $77 to join if you are at all interested in doing ppc. From their bonuses, to the partner bonuses, word butler for free for a year, and the modules and such, it is a great price for the whole thing. You cant go wrong. You just have to give them time to pick up. They are both pretty hot names and they arent going to destroy their reputations for this. There is a lot of great information in the course as well and if you fly through you better do it twice cause you are going to miss great information.

IMChick

Another customer service nightmare. Gee, do people doing launches actually not think they're going to get orders?! I'm waiting for access to the upsells, but my patience is thinning. If everyone starts the course angry from the horrible service, they won't stand a chance at success on the content because noone will be listening then. Refund rates go through the roof!

tommyp

I was a PPCC1 member right from the beginning. I bought it as soon as it came out and got Jeremy's limited to X number of people secret niches. That's how soon I was in and I saw everything that went on from the beginning.

I already said earlier that all these technical problems doesn't mean they are scammers and I don't believe they are, and I am not implying that, but since I have witnessed and see happening all over again how messed up things are, and my own unenjoyable experience it wouldn't surprise me if things like what I mentioned happened, even if it is unintentional and technical mistakes.

I bring it up because I know you are a/were a forum moderator there and they may even be quietly watching this thread for all I know.

Why buy the bloomin' thing? Because I wanted to report back on the product because there are many people here that contact me about stuff in private because they know I will tell them.

I've already said the course is good so far what I've seen and I've told people what to expect during the buying process.

I also got it because I was curious.

Yea, well, I do have about 2 to 3 months of not being able to access the old forum unrefunded.

But that's history and I'm giving it a second chance.

I'm not impatient. I'll wait and I'm looking forward to getting in there to pick Amit's brain and to see you and whoever else that I remember from the old forum.

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tommyp

You never know, there is no doubt in my mind that there are things Amit knows you will not find in the modules but will drip feed over time in the monthly membership.

And just supposing there are some things that people know that they keep a secret it doesn't really matter. Not knowing some trick or something is not going to make or break anyone.

There is no big secret to Adwords. You have to have landing pages, with your privacy policy, about page and contact and have links to articles on your site and making it a blog or having a blog on the same domain doesn't hurt, and do things the way Google wants, even though it can suck (and for all their talk about relevancy I think the bottom line for Google is money. I've seen them do things to my CPC that does not go along with how people tell you Google handles CPC, but generally if you follow the rules you will be better off)

This is to give you the better chance at a better QS and lower CPC so that you can have a better chance at a profit.

Next is knowing how to pick products, testing, and managing.

Like they say it's a numbers game and you will need to have money. That's what is limiting me at this time (I have not been paid in about 4 months by the merchant whose product I was selling which was my main income) and I suppose if that is what limits people they will have to only test what they can afford and take a longer time to do it.

The information in PPCC2 is pretty solid even though I don't doubt you read things in there you may already know. So have I.

In the end, there isn't much risk. There is a money back guarantee and if for some reason something goes wrong then pay with a CC if you have one so that if puch comes to shove just block payments to them and do a chargeback.

They are not scammers (I don't believe so), and I may be shooting myself in the foot for always having such a big mouth and telling it the way I think it is, but I don't think they are crooks and I do not believe they would risk their reputation.

What they need is to get better customer support and go with a tried and tested management system so that these things don't happen. But in the end, these things can happen to you and me or anyone. Sometimes things just mess up and they should be cut some slack for that as long as they keep on top of things and do things right, unlike the first time around.

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heatwave13

I bought the program on launch day, looked it over and quickly decided that ppc in general just wasn't for me--at least not at this point in time the way they teach it. So, I filled out one of those tickets, requested a refund and have not heard anything from them yet. But, I try to log onto the site to check my ticket status and I get an "ACCESS DENIED" message. What? How will I find out about my refund? Will THEY contact me on the email address I gave? It's been a few days now and I have not heard anything and am getting frustrated with this.

ankur sharma

In all this mess, they have closed the gates. I am sure lot of people missed this whole thing due to technical problems. I have sent them email regarding whether we can pay via paypal. Lets see how much time they take to respond

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AndrewS

While I like the guys at PPC Classroom and have to give them credit for such a great launch with all the pre-videos and viral tactics (genious). I just want to touch on the bonuses....

I hate to ever say anything bad about anyone's product or tactics, but at the same time ethically, I feel like I need to share with my fellow IMers to be careful with the bonuses offered.

All of them are TRIAL offers, and most of them will start billing your credit card after a certain number of days...some 30 days...some 60 days.

Just be careful...I know many IMers are on a tight budget, and would hate to see you lose money on something you don't even know you're buying.

Also, I do agree with Jay about the upsell, that's part of IM and they do a Damn good job at ppc classroom on the upsell!

tommyp

You're wrong. It isn't as bad as you say, but I was kind of disappointed too.

The only one I didn't have to opt in for (as far as I remember - and not that I blame them for the opt in) was Howie Schwartz's bonuses but it was misleading because it said you get his seminar videos at a value of $1000 but it's only three videos from it. Not the whole thing.

Adwords Accelerator gives no explanation. You click the link for the bonus and it goes straight to the order page saying you will be billed after the trial. I guess I could have just found the sales page myself to see what it's about before taking the trial, but no thanks.

Gauher Chaudry's bonus is free but it's just basically supposed to tell you whcih of your ads are getting the best CTRs? I don't know but I wasn't impressed. He does have a big discount (at least I think it is) on PPC Formula.

Google Cash isn't ready. Which is fine as long as it really is free like they said.

Marketing Bully was delivered as promised. These guys also had a second bonus up about PPC but it's not done and they'll notify by email it says.

Negative Keywords was delivered as promised.

Nichebot is a trial. I can't remember whether or not it said it was on the front page. I didn't go for it.

Wordbutler is a trial but it's a year free. It didn't take any of my payment details so I know when the year is up I won't be charged. I guess it'll just stop working which is fine.

SpeedPPC. I think it did say it was a trial but to be honest I'm not in a place that I will be using SpeedPPC in the next 30 or 60 days or whatever doing states, cities and zip codes and whatever. So that one is going to run out. At first that was one of my main reasons but now I realize it is completely worthless. I should have waited before signing up but I thought if I didn't sign up for these free "bonuses" that they'd take them down before I could get them.

Affiliate Extreme was delivered as promised.

Affiliate Uprising and HexaTrack Pro - They way they worded it made me believe that Affiliate uprising was free and not a trial nor limited and that HexTrack Pro came free with it for 3 months. But when you go through getting that bonus you get upselled for a year and if you decline you get another downsell for 6 months on stuff. In the OTO it mentioned Affiliate uprising for a year and then on the downsell for 6 months - I could be wrong, but that makes it seem as if Affiliate Uprising is not free at all and also just a trial even though it was supposed to be "Affiliate Uprising PPC Bonus - and you get 3 months HexaTrack with it"

I don't know if I missed anything. What I wanted most was Nichebot, SpeedPPC and HexTrack/AffUprising. The others I could take or leave (although I liked Howies videos even though theyre incomplete)... But I dont know where Ill be in 30 days and I don't want to forget to cancel Nichebot in case I can't use it. If I can't go back in the future to claim it then oh well. SpeedPPC like I said turns out o be worthless even though I don't beleiev they will charge. It will just stop working so that's good. And Hexa/AffUprising is just a disappointment if Aff Uprising is limited too.

In the end, this is just too much crap. I claimed most of the bonuses except for trials where they wanted to do a subscription to charge me later, but I'm not gonna look at even half of all that junk.

Bonuses was not as good of a deal as it seemed, for me.

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Byron.Walker

I"ve purchased the course and think it is great.

Does anyone know how to join as a JV/affiliate of the PPC Classroom? I don't see any 'affiliate' links or other information showing the way to resell this product to my list.

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Kevin McNally

I still haven't had time to go through the whole course but I am surprised that some guys are complaining about the bonuses. The real value may be slightly hyped at $5000 plus but the bonuses are certainly much better than your normal product launch ones.

The bonus course from Andre is excellent and I paid $49 plus taxes for this when it first launched, you will find some real gems in that course actually more powerful than some of the tactics mentioned in ppc classroom !

I also don't understand why anyone would object to a free trial of products that are closely linked to ppc marketing, it's hardly the owners fault if you forget to cancel the subscription.

sylvestor

I've been getting the same in my inbox but have yet to check it out fully. From what I've seen, looks pretty informative though. Worth checking out to get a handle on adwords, I think I will.

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yeah i doubt he makes 2.4 mill a year

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MikeAmbrosio

Well, now THAT was helpful...

As an FYI, he does.

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John316

No way is everyone gonna agree whether this is a great product or not.

The correct answer is truly subjective to ones own parameters for greatness. It's kinda along the lines of, some people like cats and others think cats are filthy, sneaky critters. Pick any subject, and we will find a way to disagree in many ways.

In my opinion, this is a very good course, at worst. The reason I can say that is because I am new to PPC/Adsense, and this course is serving as a real teacher to me. No one is really talking about the support tools-the bonus section, not the partner bonuses- that go with the course. They are a very useful supplement to the written course material.

As a newbie, I am going through this material very slowly and methodically, taking notes, thinking about what I'm reading and seeing and hearing.

I wonder as I read some of the posts here, how many are blowing thru the material so fast they miss a lot of thinking points.

Please don't misunderstand me here...I am definitely NOT slamming anyone, but I believe sometimes in our search for the "thing" that we are all apparently searching for, we get to expecting a magic solution and forget that no matter what system, advice, ebook, report or course we ultimately land on, the bottom line is to study and completely understand that choice, and take action on that choice. And by blowing thru some of these courses or whatever, and I am truly as guilty as anybody, we miss a lot of valuable information.

There may be a PPC course available that is better than this one, I don't know. I could spend a lifetime trying every one of them I come across to compare, but that means I would probably never conquer any one of them and never take action. Not to mention very broke...no wait I'm already broke. Can you be more than broke? Anyway...

I guess my point is, the course is very good IMHO, especially for a newbie because it presents PPC in an understandable format, with bite size information and illustrations, video, worksheets, mindmaps etc. to help the "student" stay on track. But you must commit to the learning process, not just to the reading/skimming over process.

I will take what I can from this course and maybe it will be enough. If not, then I will worry about trying to find the next "guide".

I was also fortunate enough to buy in on the first day and had zero problems with any part of the purchase or process. I always get logged in and support is great.

I truly appreciate the views and insights shared on the forums here. Thanks to all and I hope I haven't torqued anyone off, ramble too much or wandered too far off subject.

John316

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tommyp

Yea well looky now. Now they are saying it wont be up for 30 days because they "want everyone to go through the training first". No mention of bugs. Wasn't PPCC2 a 30 day money back guarantee? So anyone who wants to make use of the forum for help during their first 30 days can't, and so only 30 days later will they find out whether or not the forum is helpful to their learning (or if it's crap to them and they want to bail) - it will be too late to get their $77 back. Sounds like stringing along.

They should just be straight. If it's really technical problems then say so and then it shouldnt take 30 days for a forum. But it's not because of technical difficulties because like they are saying they wont give access to the forum for 30 days because "they want people to go through the training first", THAT IS THE LAMEST EXCUSE I HAVE EVER HEARD.

Yea people have. You must not have read everything. It's okay if you have nothing like that but if you have a tool like Keyword Transformer you wont need any of that, but if you dont then maybe it will be useful.


Basically you're saying they must be blowing through the material because they don't like the course?

Maybe, but that's speculating just like people speculate about their practices. Very few people here are saying the course isn't worth it. Most of this discussion is actually about the merchant practices, sliminess, misleading, etc.

Not to go off topic, but most people don't know what John 3:16 means. It doesn't mean God loves the whole world and gave Jesus to die for everyone. If you want me to point you to a place where you can learn more just PM me.

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askloz

tommyp, quit your whinging man, don't like it, get a refund, simple, be one of those that don't make hundreds of thousands a year in PPC.

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tommyp

This is a reviews section and as long as I'm allowed Ill say whatever the hell I want, just like you so eloquently stated you do on review sections in your post on Duncan's Yahoo software thread in the classified section.

And dont put words in my mouth, I never said I didn't like the product. I've even stuck up for them on certain points.

Instead of replying to what you call whining with your own whining give answers instead.

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dectomax

I have requested a refund and have now been locked out of the Support section. What the hell? Will I get the refund or not. What kind of customer service takes a support ticket and then locks you out when you request a refund??

These guys are supposed to be O.K. from what I've heard but it's not looking that way.