LasseKohau

Hi all,

Did some of you do a beta-test on Brad Callens new tool; SEO-LinkVine.


Any comments on this product ?

Thanks, BR LASSE

pearsonbrown

I'd like some info too. As far as I can see, it's a clone of AMA (Article Marketing Automation).

No bad thing if it is as AMA seems to me to have lost steam. It never really recovered from removing the right to search by keyword IMHO and I found far too many spammy articles placed in the wrong categories.

I'm trying out the UAW Wizard at the moment but not getting many articles sent through. If you're not in the IM niche, it's hard to find good content this way.

Pearson



Nb AMA and My Article Network mentioned by Dexx are the same thing.

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Dexx

I was able to get early access into the program as I wanted to start seriously looking at article marketing as a way to boost offline client websites to the first page of Google at a more reliable/easy rate.

I signed up with UAW and MyArticleNetwork, and then after hammering Brad with questions, was able to also gain access to SEO Linkvine before the "official" opening (mind you a limited amount of users had already been able to pay to access it early also)

Essentially Brad took what he liked and found powerful in the other networks (as far as features), but also added the features he thought were horribly absent (the built in keyword rank tracking system etc. are amazing) and put them into work with his OWN private network community of websites (not literally just sites he owns, but other blgo sites etc. that aren't part of the MAN/UAW network)

So far I'm already seeing my articles showing up in Google and its only been a couple days, so that's great in my eyes as this gave me an early head start even vs the MAN and UAW articles.

I can see the confusion being the 10,000+ blog network comparison, making everyone think they are the same network, but from what I can tell they are not...or at least Google seems to be finding SEOLV articles pretty fast (as I wrote similar articles for the other sites)

All in all I'd have to rank them:

1) SEO Linkvine
2) Unique Article Wizard
3) MAN

and POSSIBLY ArticleRank in there, but I haven't fully tested it out yet, so I can't really comment.

Hope that helps!

~Dexx

vitavee

Like Dexx I also got early access to SLV.

I'm a self confessed blog network geek, I think I have tried pretty much all of them.

I have SLV for about 2 weeks now and I have submitted articles every single day (well actually not during the week ends)

Before I give you my impressions look at MY stats (screenshot taken from the members area)

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Yes... that's about 3,000 blogs publishing my articles and 1,000+ are still pending for approval.

That's really good, especially knowing that more blogs will be added to the system when it will go live, each member will have the possibility to submit their own blogs to get fresh content.

I personally only use SLV to get backlinks so this is mainly what I have played with during those 2 weeks.

In my articles (that are all spinnable) I have added at least 1 non spinnable sentence, just to be able to find where they would be posted.

I have been very happy to see the quality of the blogs in the network - I have several PR2, PR3 or even PR4 backlinks.

With time I suppose the network is going to become even stronger.

It's very easy to submit articles, I prefer it over the other networks, I find it faster. One feature that I liked is that we can select several categories at once by using check boxes while in other networks lile MAN you would have to submit several times the same article to select different categories.

The stats are easy to read, we can see how many times each article has been published as well as having a general overview.

As Dexx said there is also the rank checker that is very useful, so you don't have to go to google each time to check all your keywords/rankings.

At the price it's going to launch I really think it is a wise investment - much more affordable than other networks and I find it better too!

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GeorgR.

thanks for the reviews guys, i am looking forward to this also. I am impressed by those tracking and stats features and the price looks very "civil" also. If my instincts are right this looks like it might become very good - early reviewers and testers in the beta seem to confirm this!

remodeler

This does look good especially with results from those stats. Does it have the ability to set the number of submissions per day like UAW? Also...I must have missed seeing it, but what is the monthly fee?

GeorgR.

james, articleranks is an industry leader? I dont know..but i had the impression its more a "smaller" system by one of our warriors? Make no mistake, i USE it and i love it..its very good. Just didnt know its already considered industry leading...

excoder01

I'm using this service as an autoblog on one of my website -- I only selected 'Sprituality' and I got some unrelated blog posts...like Piano lessons???

GeorgR.

maybe someone tagged posts wrong? possible...

Dexx

Like any blog network, some people will select tags unrelated to the content just to get mass distribution, this is why I set my blogs (that receive content) to manual approval.

If you are just looking for content tho, and don't want to have to approve every post that comes in, then you can just set it to auto-accept and delete ones that come in that don't fit.

~Dexx

Brad Callen

Hi. This is because we've not yet officially launched... Launch is the 27th. It will add hundreds of thousands of articles to the system.

more articles = more related content to your site

The content side of SEOLV will improve MAJORLY every single day after we launch Tuesday. That part is the easy part.

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vitavee

Yes it does, it is the "Max requests per day" field:

http://www.euserreviews.com/images/s...ne/detail3.png

I have posted a non-hyped indepth review on my blog at euserreviews dot com with a lot of screenshots.

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GeorgR.

i want in now And then i want to outrank you for some of your own keywords

LasseKohau

Thanks for all your comments to this thread,

BR LASSE

Alexissalaam

Hi Guys

How is this comparable to link Dozer I understand that SEOLV has
a blog network but doesnt google put more weight on 2.0 authority
sites what I'm saying is quality over quantity I think Link dozer submits
to 2.0 sites can somebody enlighten me on this.

Alexis

GeorgR.

I can safely assume that LD is about 1000x harder to learn, its a BEAST and almost too much for me even.

Having not seen SEOLV, but i am pretty sure it works like your typical blog network distribution, you submit articles, select categories, can SPIN them etc.... about 1000x more straight forward and easier to use than LD. I would really need to spend a month just learning how to use LD right.

John34

Great review Vita, BTW many many articles you submitted in those 2 weeks?

pavionjsl

The thing that sticks in my mind was the offer of a 1.00 to put a blog in the system. If a large % of blogs are in the system are owned by someone else, they could leave or just lose or stop taking care of the blog. Keeping links built , live and growing is the goal on the effort. If all the blogs are privately owned , that is one thing, but just getting articles for their sites and changing what they are doing later and scraping the content put into a blog network concern me.

Alexissalaam

Hey George

I understand LD is harder to learn but the main question is all that quantity
in SEOLV gonna serve you well compared to the Quality of LD or is the quality and quantity the same for both.

Alexis

pearsonbrown

We have other threads about LD where it would be more appropriate for you to post this.

However, don't confuse 'complicated, confused and difficult to learn' with 'quality'. In another thread, you'll find an LD user complaining about the low quality of some of the blog posts within the LD system. There seems to be the same complaint made of all these systems and it would be interesting to hear how Brad intends to maintain quality posts within his system.

Pearson

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vitavee

Thanks John.

Are you talking about the small review I posted here or the in-depth one I published on my blog?

Yes I submit a lot of articles I'm also using some other networks so it's really a lot of daily submissions.

I'm just using 1 "Ultra Spinnable Article" per day but in the membership area of this service we can generate thousands of unique "Regular spin ready articles" from just 1 ultra spinnable one.

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@pearsonbrown About the quality of the blogs - I have found many PR2 to PR4 blogs from the SLV network linking back to my pages.

Of course there are also many PR0 blogs and also a lot of blogs with no PR at all (these are probably new domains).

I have sent an email a few minutes ago to Brad with a good suggestion to automatically build backlinks from relevant content to ALL the blogs involved in the SLV network.

I have good hope that Brad will integrate this, Brad your thoughs?

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Alexissalaam

Thanks Pearson

But I'm not talking about the quality of the post I'm talking
about the quality of the sites VS 2.0 sites which LD seems
to be doing more of.

Alexis

Brad Callen

Hi Alexis, which would you rather have? 50 links from the same 2.0 website OR 50 links from 50 different sites owned by different people? My answer is, I'd rather have BOTH... but if I had to choose 1, in general I'd MUCH rather have 50 unique IP links.

The problem with only 2.0 submitting is over time it doesn't look natural at all to Google. they see you have 20,000 links all from the same 50, 2.0 websites...

The goal is to make things look as natural as possible.

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Alexissalaam

Hi Brad

straight from the man himself, I do agree with you I'd rather have both but your point is taken. I knew it's hard to control every bodies post to make sure you get good quality, but I'm starting to make a few bucs now and I just want to make sure I spend the money wisely.

Thanks for getting back to me.

Alexis

Brad Callen

Hey Alexis, no problem. Once you start getting higher rankings, which will lead to more money in your pocket, I'd highly suggest on using all of the article syndication networks, as well as well... basically all of the various ways to get backlinks. The more variation you can have, the better. That's the best way to make things appear completely natural. Don't rely on just one :-)

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Alexissalaam

Hi Brad

What are some of the article syndication networks a small list
would be great.

Alexis

TiffanyB

I may be missing on the website or maybe it hasn't been revealed yet, but does anyone know what the membership cost to SEOLinkvine is every month?

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whateverpedia

According to the listing in CBEngine, it's going to be $47 a month.

ben565

In the seovine video 28 900 backlinks were sent over 3 months,how are you not getting sandboxed by google?

i was told that you should never send anymore than 2-4 backlinks per day

mistyone

I have found the same, receiving articles that aren't related to the topic selected. I am pleased I set them to be approved or I would have to be deleting quite a number of articles.

I actually don't understand how these articles end up being selected to be published. I wondered if it is the doing of the people selecting which category they will be publishing their article in, not being careful or whether they are choosing a category to make sure they get more coverage, who knows, only conjecture on my part

I am also a member of AMA and I would receive emails to tell me there were articles to be approved which were definitely more in topic but SEOLinkVine doesn't let you know that there are articles waiting for your approval. I have to remember to log in to see if there is anything waiting to be reviewed.

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Brad Callen

Ok, 2 things to address here:

1. Ben: The "sandbox" is essentially something that happens to websites that are link building in a way that doesn't appear natural. For example, to go back on the topic discussed earlier in this thread (i.e. is it better to get links from web 2.0 sites than from article marketing)
- answer: No, it's not better. Reason being, it doesn't look natural if that is all you are doing. In all of my experience, it's not about the total number of links you get, but rather the consistency that you get those links. If you get 50 links on day 1, get 50 links on day 2, day 3, day 4, etc... AND switch up your anchor text constantly. Use anchor text in some links. Don't use anchor text in others. The goal is to keep things natural and the whole sandbox thing won't be anything to worry about. We actually have 65,000+ links to the site now. If you're only getting 2 links a day, it's going to take you years to rank highly for competitive keywords. Don't listen to whoever told you that :-)

2. Misty: Regarding the articles that were off topic. Dexx and I already addresses that question in this thread. Please read through the entire thread again. We haven't launched SEOLinkVine yet... The articles you're seeing on your site are from beta users only. "The total number of articles added daily will increase by 1000x (probably much more than even that) after this Tuesday. More articles = more relevancy." Good suggestion about the email notification. I thought this was already in place, but I will double check tomorrow morning when I get into the office. Thanks! :-)

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GeorgR.

Brad,

question:

Is this a fixed network with a set number of blogs or are the blogs by the users themselves (therefore dynamic)?

Dexx

Dynamic, as new users join up and add their blogs, there will be more blogs to post content on (in regards to the related niches they represent)

ben565

Thanks for the detailed response,btw it was keith baxter who said to only send 2-3 backlinks daily for new sites.

Dexx

Ben, the big thing is consistency if you want to avoid the Sandbox.

Most people, when they first get started, will blast out 100+ links to site within the first 2 days...and then send 3-5 backlinks a day after that...

Which seems suspicious to Google!

So if you don't think you can maintain a constant stream of links, then its best to keep it looking normal and very minimal.

Now if you can do, like Brad did, and submit articles frequently so that a constant stream of new backlinks (with varying anchor keywords) keep flowing to the site, then it looks like the site is "popular" and "liked" by Google and they won't hate it.

Otherwise every news-related issue would be an instant sandbox and nobody would use Google (i.e. Michael Jackson's death had the whole internet spiking...but main of the news site articles were being linked to for days/weeks to come as they kept the interest of the public)

Make sense?

~Dexx

Joseph Then

Just wanted to chip in on the review:

I was glad that I'm in the beta version. I did a test of Brad's system where I am reviving a website that is somewhere in page 3 rankings.

It has been in page 3 or 4 for 5-6 months and I did nothing else to it.

I changed the website from blog to pure HTML page, submitted a spinned article to SEO Link Vine ONLY. No other backlinks activities.

Started the test on 19 April 2010, I had 23 articles published so far, and this website is currently sitting at #10 place.

A big jump from 30+ position.

Conclusion? It's good, go get it!

Brad Callen

Keith is very smart and a friend of mine. He must have been referencing some specific example where that would have been the case. I know he gets more than 2 links a day.

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yourreviewer

Hey Brad, How much is SEO Linkvine going to cost?

Brad Callen

Hey, $47/month during launch. And likely $97+/month after launch. I wanted to keep the price really low for the initial launch to not limit who could afford it. After launch, the price will likely increase to slow down the number of new users, so we can focus on adding current user feature requests etc. quickly.

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Zeb

Brad,

At $47 it seems like a good bargain. Count me in. Btw how long is the launch price going to last?

Oh and i hope that you will monitor sites that are submitted into the network to maintain the quality of it.

Terry Gorry

I have had a similar experience recently with a number of sites but I did not do anything.

So I don't think that you can extrapolate the conclusion that you are drawing from your experience.

Maybe it is just a coincidence, maybe not and maybe the product rocks but you simply can not conclude that because you do A and B happens that the outcome is as a result of doing A.

Well you can actually but it is pretty inexact research in my opinion.

Terry

SimonHarrison

$47p/m to gain access to another well controlled network combined
with a back end interface with stats, spinning and a cherry on the top
in the form of what appears to be an integrated Market Sam lite rank checker.

Pretty much no brainer territory really at this money.

I'll be having a good play and will report back.

dotcomdesigns

Having watched all 3 videos SEOLV certainly looks impressive enough. I appreciate it has a spinner in it Brad, but can we import spun article templates we have created using the best spinner for example?

I'm assuming as long as we have { | } in the right places we're good to go?

Phil

buckapple

Hi,

My question also about importing "the best spinner".

Gary

Brad Callen

Can one of you guys email send me a sample "best spinner" article and I'll let you know. My guess is yes, as we've tried to integrate other spinners to be accepted, but I don't know without talking to my developers tomorrow morning. If not, I'm sure we could make it happen. Thanks.

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GeorgR.

TBS {utilizes|uses|produces} {standard|normal} jet spinner syntax.

Dexx

I use TBS and yes it does work with SEOLV (just get the uniqueness up prior to submission)

~Dexx

Steve Faber

Brad,
It looks pretty good to me too. Count me in. Link building by hand is just too tedious, although I'll continue to do it, this would sure speed things up. Launch price seems right too.

Steve

ProfitCoach

It looks like SEOLV will be a good tool/network... if you use it.

Regarding spinning... does it really matter other than being able to vary your anchor text and/or url? For instance, even with a large amount of spinning done to an article will version 1 be much different than version 2 because won't version 2 simply be 99% the same as version 1 because it only spins the first spin item it comes to?

Brad, maybe this is a feature that could be implemented to take it to the next level in SEOLV... come up with a way to spin one article into a group of articles that are a minimum % different from each other? For example... 1000 versions are created from a spin and 38 articles are a minimum 68% different from each other?

Maybe this is just WAY too advanced of an idea or not even necessary... I don't know.

But there is Copyscape so I'm sure a comparison engine of some sort could be built that could pull this off. I guess the process would take version 1 and find the next version that will be the minimum percentage different (let's say it's a variable and say 68%) that happens to be version 38... then it continues to find the next version that is at least 68% different than version 38 and when it does it also double checks the minimum difference with version 1 as well... and so on and so on until you get X amount of articles that are INDEED different and subsequently submitted to the network.

It's late, my brain hurt thinking about and typing out that solution... I'm out!

-John

vitavee

Yes it does matter but it depends on how you spin your articles.

I don't want to go off topic since this thread is about SEOLinkVine and not spinning but spinning is a very important part of getting the most out of any submission tool.

Just a few things you have to keep in mind when you prepare your articles for submission:

From my testings the 30% minimum level that is often recommended is NOT enough anymore.

You should aim to have at least 50% uniqueness. Search engines are getting smarter and can spot spun content very easily if you only replace words with synonyms.

For example:

I have {bought|found|purchased} {some good|very good|excellent|tasty} {fruits|apples|oranges|vegetables|potatoes} {today|yesterday|this morning}.

An article spun that way is not going to give any good result for several reasons:

1/ The resulting articles will have the exact same number of sentences
2/ Each sentence will have the exact same meaning (synonyms/related terms are known by the search engines)
3/ Each sentence will have approximately the same number of words

It's very easy to detect this, even for a bad programmer And this is how the majority of people is doing it (and the reason why so many say that spinning article doesn't work).

Now you have to spin at the sentence level + at the paragraph level to get long lasting results.

Actually the further you go from the individual words for your spinning the more powerful it is.

Look:

If you spin by words, the overall structure of the article is exactly the same, same sentences except synonyms/related terms that are easy to detect.

If you spin by sentences, the structure of the article is still the same but the length of the sentences become different, and we're not using synonyms that are so easy to detect, instead we reformulate the meaning of the sentence and the grammatical structure of the sentence itself is different. Spinning by sentence is > spinning words.

If you spin by paragraphs, the structure of the article becomes different - it's becoming very difficult for a programmer to find that both variations of a same paragraph are similar. The number of sentences is different, the organisation of the sentences is different.

If you spin by articles, you have the best uniqueness level and this is exactly like writing different articles. This is why I said the further you go from the individual words the more unique it is.

Hey John, that's an excellent idea! That would be awesome if Brad could have this integrated so the most unique versions would be submitted first to the network.

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