by Dico
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Anyone familiar with John Carter's Rapid Income Creator?
I just read the sales page and I am looking for some input.
Thanks
#creator #income #rapid
  • Profile picture of the author julie004
    I'm wondering the same. I can't figure it out for sure but have a few thought's.

    I was a bit annoyed with all the pop ups upon exiting. I noticed you can get a better

    deal tough if you want to buy. I'm looking forward to comments as well.

    Sorry I can't help, first I heard of it this afternoon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Avidpoet
      Yaaaaaawn I just about fell asleep looking at the video and I like how he kept saying "Im not going to bore you" while waiting on him to say what it's about.
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      • Profile picture of the author maverick4u
        As far as I can make out it is a course on PPV. At first I thought it was just another scam product designed to fleece us since the salesletter is pretty much "blind" but it might be a decent way to break into PPV marketing. He supplies tested landing pages for high gravity CB products and even hosts them for you. I don't know-I have heard that PPV can be pretty tricky but have also heard when you tweak a winning campaign you can make a bundle.

        Can any PPV Warriors weigh in on this?
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      • Profile picture of the author Love2KnowU
        Originally Posted by Avidpoet View Post

        Yaaaaaawn I just about fell asleep looking at the video and I like how he kept saying "Im not going to bore you" while waiting on him to say what it's about.
        ROTFLOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
    I purchased PPV today and got through the whole thing in about an hour. He supplies you with information on 5 different Clickbank products that are said to be the bestsellers. The information he provides is then used for a PPV campaign. All you have to do is copy the keywords and urls and adjust how much you want to spend each day as well the amount you want to pay per visitor. You simply enter in your clickbank id and they provide a unique link with your affiliate id to lead to a preselling page for the product.

    When I bought this I didn't realize it was about PPV and not sure I really want to go that route. He says that you have to spend money to make money but I'm not convinced I want to go down that route right now.

    He does make it sound like it is so easy but having never dealt with PPV before I'm not convinced that the average person is going to be raking in the money this way. Also if everyone in the program is promoting the same 5 products and has the same list of keywords and urls to use in the campaign, won't it get saturated and make the price per visitor go up?

    I may try this for a week or so to see if I can make some sales or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Graphix Guru
      Originally Posted by TiffanyB View Post

      Also if everyone in the program is promoting the same 5 products and has the same list of keywords and urls to use in the campaign, won't it get saturated and make the price per visitor go up?
      In short... yes it will. You hit the nail right on the head, Tiffany!

      This is not the first recent product to tell us how many fortunes we can make with PPV. Rapid Mass Traffic is another one; there's a long thread on that product if you're interested in this area and what people thought of RMT. Overall, reviews are mixed. But to be fair to RMT (perhaps even "overly" fair), not many of them come from people who have actually used the product. I have and I wasn't impressed. But I digress...

      Speaking for myself, I've tried PPV several times (RMT and other programs) and never made a dime. Call me pig-headed. I dunno. Call me stupid! IMHO, it's very hard to make direct linking to Clickbank and CPA offers work. I believe PPV may be better for list building and long-term selling.

      The main PPV network people tend to start with is Lead Impact (formerly Zango). In theory, there's a lot of traffic to be had there.

      The problem (in my experience) is:

      A) It's "incentivized" traffic. People agree to have ads pop up in their browser in exchange for free stuph. I would imagine that, after a fairly short period of time, they simply learn to ignore these ads the way I ignore Google paid ads. I stopped "seeing" them for the most part years ago. I just click right past them.

      B) It's cheap traffic. Really cheap. And that would be great if it were good traffic. But as I've described in "A" above, I'm not sure it's good. Think about it. These are people who are willing to have ads pop up because they're too cheap to buy inexpensive stuph like games and wallpapers. What does that tell you? Are those same people really going to buy your Clickbank product? And even if they DO buy it, aren't you in danger of chargebacks?

      The demographics on Lead Impact are good. However, my results have not been. Now, this is just one man's results, and I will admit I haven't tried list building yet. But this Rapid Income Creator is all about direct linking. Direct linking to the exact same pages 50 or a 100 or more others will also be direct linking to!

      Bad idea!

      I can tell you that with that many people all going after the exact same keywords and URLs (you can bid on URLs, too), it's going to be a log jam* in no time on the approval end. Costs will go through the roof. And then, on the back end, nobody is going to make any money because the market will be too diluted.

      And that's assuming direct linking works – which in my experience it does not!

      I don't know if this product is good or not. It may be great for all I know. But I think the concept behind it is a bad one.

      And to be utterly cynical (how did that happen?)... If the five niches they're giving you with RIC are so freakin' great... why would they want to share them? Couldn't they make A LOT more money long term by not sharing them? I mean, they could OWN the entire market on LE, keep the prices low, and make fortune after fortune!

      Hmmmmm....

      Anyway, that's my two cents. I hope it helps.

      -- Mann


      P.S.: Is it just me... or is Clickbank becoming synonymous with crapola?


      * When RMT came out, there was a HUGE influx of people onto LE, which meant that approvals that normally took 24-48 hours were taking – I kid you not – a week! I expect the same thing to happen here, though maybe not to the same degree.
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  • Profile picture of the author forexscambuster
    i was about to buy.. thanks for the review guys..
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  • Profile picture of the author Dico
    Thank you very much for all your reviews. After pop ups I realized you can get a discount and then if you keep selecting cancel there is a page that explains in more details about the product; it is about CPA and PPV. I'll pass this for now...
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    • Profile picture of the author Graphix Guru
      Originally Posted by Dico View Post

      After pop ups...
      By my count is was 5 back sells... or was it 6? 2 downsells for RIC and then some other offers.

      The upsell/downsell/sidesell/backsell thing is getting COMPLETELY out of control. And as others have pointed out before...

      Do you really want to be the guy who finds out he could have got the product for a deep discount if he'd tried to leave instead of just bought? You find out exactly how much the product is really worth and realize you overpaid (or got "taken," depending on your viewpoint). This doesn't exactly create good feelings towards the product marketer, does it?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ugly Dog
        Thanks Mann for all of that info...this product makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I can just imagine what a cluster it's going to be when 300 people are all using the exact same keywords for the exact same products. Sounds like a waste of money. I too purchased RMT and have had extremely disappointing results. 3000 views on one product, and no sales. And what you say about the quality of traffic is exactly what I was thinking AFTER I purchased RMT...Again, thanks for that informative and insightful post, I'll definitely be passing on "Rapid Income Creator" and PPV strategies in general.
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        • Profile picture of the author phred
          I really should have checked Warrior Forums first. I bought the product about 2 days ago. Didn't try to leave so bought it for the full price. I guess you gotta start somewhere though to learn the ropes in IM!
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          • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
            Hi guys,

            Thought I might be able to give you a little insight regarding RIC and LeadImpact.

            I bought RIC 2 days ago - Well the program in itself is basically for any Newbie with additional money to spend and LOSE, a great opportunity!

            The prog. comes along with a few workshops which cover the basics of contextual ads. BUT NOTHING MORE!

            In the workshops they preach 2 things, 1. "the money is in the list" and 2. "you'll never get a list without traffic".

            Having said that, the program comes with built in "non-editable" autoresponders, meaning that anyone that does advertising with PPV and pays betwwen $200-$400 might get a few conversions (3-6) but the autoresponders are designed so that RIC gets the list.
            Basically you are paying enormous amounts of money for the advertising in the hopes that their provided keywords are going to work and bring you a couple of dollars on sales whilst THEIR list grows!

            It's one of the biggest rip-offs I have seen yet!

            I mailed them about this and obviously didn't get any answers.

            ALSO BEWARE about Leadimpact:

            I have used Leadimpact many times and if done correctly, it is possible to get around 10-20 signups from about 6000 views = $150.00 dependent upon keywords, Niche and or URLs.

            Yesterday though, I fell flat on my face:
            There is an option to do a maximum bid where I entered 0,03112 cents. The problem is that I entered a comma instead of a decimal by accident and in turn they warned me showing some red text BUT still interpreted this as 3112.00.
            It took about 2 seconds and my $200.00 fund was gone - 0 - zilch! For 1 bid they accounted $3112.00 and promptly asked me per mail to enter more funds in order to carry on advertising.
            I have written about 20 mails of which none have been answered and I even called them from Germany, only to get an answering machine at the other end.

            So be very careful when bidding and confirming your bid.
            I believe that this is just a system mistake on their side but nevertheless, imagine if I had, had a $3000.00 deposit in there!!
            OOUUCH!

            take care
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            • Profile picture of the author sallycev
              About Leadimpact, I set up a campaign based on instructions from another product. It did bring some really nice traffic to my site while the campaign ran but the $200 deposit was gone in a blink of an eye!

              Also, the number of visitors to the site is only cost affective if you get the right amount of conversions which I didn't with that particular campaign. If I use it again I'll do a lot more keyword research first and make it really targeted. That might help.

              Bottom line is this is not a game for anyone on a tight budget or new to these systems as it will suck the money out of your account swiftly!

              It's more difficult to scale things up when you have to start out with a $200 deposit. So this method is not in the top half of my traffic systems for now.

              Cheers!
              Sally
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              • Profile picture of the author Graphix Guru
                Originally Posted by sallycev View Post

                It's more difficult to scale things up when you have to start out with a $200 deposit.
                Truer words were never spoken.

                If $200 (or any particular amount of money, for that matter) is "a lot" to you... you have no business using that traffic source or amount of money for "testing."

                And I say this from hard experience.

                In testing, you have to assume you're going to lose your money, and be willing to do it.

                What I absolutely hate are all these gurus and programs that tell you "just go on this network, throw up these ads and you'll be making money!"

                Not!

                Though you may well be throwing up...
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            • Profile picture of the author fahad308
              I bought this RIC a couple of days ago and signed up for clickbank and lead impact. In just two days i got 1700 hits on my campaign 5 but just a few 0,15,9,0 on other campaigns. But when i checked my clickbank, it showed 0 sales. I had my budget of $10 for all campaigns so i will only spend $50 each day for all campaigns if they get all the hits. I will check it for a couple of more days and then, if it doesnt work, i will file dispute with paypal for chargeback.
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          • Profile picture of the author CanuckWarrior
            Originally Posted by phred View Post

            I really should have checked Warrior Forums first. I bought the product about 2 days ago. Didn't try to leave so bought it for the full price. I guess you gotta start somewhere though to learn the ropes in IM!
            If you're just starting out in internet marketing Phred, please take this to heart:

            If a product sucks, don't be afraid to get your refund.

            Seriously, if it's a dud, get your money back. Don't waste another minute thinking about it. Then take some time and read through the reviews of various products in the Warrior review section and then pick a product that people have actually used, have actually had success with but also fits your budget.

            NOTE: I have no idea whether this product bites because I don't own it.

            In any case, you do NOT need to spend a fortune on Clickbank make money products. Too many of them are absolute crap and really only make money for the author and the affiliate pimps, not the people who buy them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Graphix Guru
          Originally Posted by Ugly Dog View Post

          Thanks Mann for all of that info...this product makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
          You are welcome, and you are right.

          Glad to be of help. ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Hank Scott
        Originally Posted by Mann View Post

        By my count is was 5 back sells... or was it 6? 2 downsells for RIC and then some other offers.

        The upsell/downsell/sidesell/backsell thing is getting COMPLETELY out of control. And as others have pointed out before...

        Do you really want to be the guy who finds out he could have got the product for a deep discount if he'd tried to leave instead of just bought? You find out exactly how much the product is really worth and realize you overpaid (or got "taken," depending on your viewpoint). This doesn't exactly create good feelings towards the product marketer, does it?
        It's gotten so I'll try leaving a page first, just to see if there's a hidden discount, before even considering the offer...

        And all those upsells, etc., are really unnecessary, and just plain bad marketing (C.J. Parker's Upsell Equation is a much more elegant solution).
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  • Profile picture of the author ACarpentieri
    Thanks so much for asking this question! I was tempted to try it because of the "it's so easy" marketing stuff being told to me, and I'm glad I read this thread. Now I'm definitely NOT interested, so thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Multi-millions
    It's sad to see how people are already giving their negative 2 cents and they didn't even buy the program..LOL..My opion so far on RIC (since i actually purchased the program) is not that bad, especially if your a newbie. So far i made my money back in two days. Now let's see how much i can generate in the next couple of months..I will keep you guys posted, if your still interested.

    FYI,
    I heard they are upgrading the program for everyone. They are tracking more campaigns in high traffic low competition niches..

    More money for me! LOL


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    • Profile picture of the author Multi-millions
      Moderator, duh! obviously i'm a newbie..lol
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      • Profile picture of the author fahad308
        What different did u do than what i did? I got 1800 hits with no sale. I will appreciate your response.
        Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author jonclaude
      Okay!

      I didn't bought it right! I watching the video from Rapid Income Creator I didn't undertand the point!

      Can you give us few picks insider!

      thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author kos818
    Hi,

    I also could resist to buy it before reading the reviews here. One short note to their exit popups. I tried it 2 or 3 times and ended everytime with different price tags ;-) Once it was going from 49US$ on the mainpage up to 79US$ (but I made 2 times 10US$ in discounts ;-)).
    Edit: Ok ok, this where upsells for other products as mentioned above ;-) I got 2 of them the first time and 7! the last time I gave it a try...

    The second time the price tag was 59US$ and then, what really impressed me, I was forwarded to the payment page with the click of a button (no, not the buy it now button, but the cancel button!).

    Nice ;-) Have learned something for my future projects, haha.
    Have a great day,
    Sven
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      @kos818, hi there, as I said above in post #12

      all well and good, but if you are not getting the list then what is the point.

      I don't want to sound too pessimistic but what is the point of paying $200 for PPV to receive an average of 10 sales(and more often less) giving you 50% of profits = breakeven?

      With 10 sales you have your money back but RIC (not you) has the list and that is where the "possible recurring" profits are made.

      your opinion would interst me
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    Hello everybody, I also bought the RIC thinking that if it's not worth I will request for a refund, only that for the program to work I had to sign-up at LeadImpact (I was very curious and excited as I heard a lot of good things about PPV), another $200, I made the payment I setup the already preamade campaigns. I waited for the keywords to be approved and made the mistake to select the option "Make my Bid the highest", I was lucky that I limited the budget to $30 per day, so the prices started to go up as a lot of people was getting in the program, already for one click you had to pay almost $0.4. If I run the same campaign in the Google Adwords I am sure I would pay less and of course with better results, but in my case I spent $60 with no conversions.
    So to conclude the Rapid Income Creator is just an other scam that will make you loose money. Now I still have $130 in my Lead Impact, does anybody know if I can get them back, or at least can somebody give me an advice what to do with the account?
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    • Profile picture of the author fahad308
      This program was good in a way that i learned a few good things about Adnetworking, PPV etc. and i would still give this program a couple of more days to work.
      You can deactivate your campaigns on leadimpact and you can get your remaining money back.
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    • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
      Originally Posted by costi View Post

      Hello everybody, I also bought the RIC thinking that if it's not worth I will request for a refund, only that for the program to work I had to sign-up at LeadImpact (I was very curious and excited as I heard a lot of good things about PPV), another $200, I made the payment I setup the already preamade campaigns. I waited for the keywords to be approved and made the mistake to select the option "Make my Bid the highest", I was lucky that I limited the budget to $30 per day, so the prices started to go up as a lot of people was getting in the program, already for one click you had to pay almost $0.4. If I run the same campaign in the Google Adwords I am sure I would pay less and of course with better results, but in my case I spent $60 with no conversions.
      So to conclude the Rapid Income Creator is just an other scam that will make you loose money. Now I still have $130 in my Lead Impact, does anybody know if I can get them back, or at least can somebody give me an advice what to do with the account?
      Yep, the more people buy this program and use the same exact keywords for the campaign the higher the PPV amount is going to go.

      I'm guessing that you can succeed with PPV but I think building your own list is the way to go. Think about it. If you send people to a page where they can get a free 7 page ebook don't you think you are going to get a lot more people signing up for your list for the free ebook rather than straight out buying a product. Then once you have them on your list, you can use email marketing to persuade them to buy the product. In opinion, this is a much smarter way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    fahad308 is there any option, or I have to write them an email?
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    Hi costi,

    yes you can get your money back without a problem.
    Just go into your leadimpact "account" and press the "cancel account" link in the bottom-right grey box, your balance will automatically be refunded.

    I have done this a few times without problems. you'll receive an email notification that the payment will be there within 3-5 business days.

    Btw, in my post #12, I mentioned a problem about leadimpact booking too much from my account ...they admitted their mistake and redeposited the money the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    @fahad308,

    don't forget, ppv success is only dependent upon who is sitting in front of that advertisment at the time, if 100 of those viewers were interested, they would have signed up or bought and vice versa. Its a lotto game - if I don't like football, then I'll ignore the game!
    Sometimes you can have great sucess with only keywords and sometimes with URLs as with ppc, there is never a garanty that people will click on the ads.
    This is why tracking is so important, 9 out of 10 ads might not convert but number 10 might bring you thousands.
    By using ad tracking, you sort out the ones that don't work and concentrate on enhancing the good ones.
    So keep your budget small for each campaign and find the ads that convert.
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    • Profile picture of the author fahad308
      @tigerwar

      So if i am getting 2000 hits in 2 todays even though no one is interested in buying that item, but still it's kind a good result. may be tomorrow ppl buy it, who knows? How can i use ad tracking? I am sorry i am new to this.
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    @fahad308,

    Hope I'm not confusing you when talking about "ad tracking".

    with PPV your "ads" are the different squeeze or landing pages, these can be tracked with an external php script or separate software.
    Then you have the Keyword and URL trackers within e.g LeadImpact where you can see which Keywords or URLs are converting. You find those results in your Reports within your account.
    Don't forget, the list is important and we are actually talking about whether RIC is worthwhile or not and seeing that RIC is geting YOUR list of sigh-ups, then you are throwing money out of the window.
    Its better to make your own Squeezepage with an opt-in form and redirect them to sales page, because even if that person doesn't buy the product, you will be able to inform them about other products that may interrest them.

    RIC is ""stealing"" your subscribers that YOU are paying enormous amount of money for. hope "stealing" wasn't too harsh
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    • Profile picture of the author fahad308
      My brother has a website and he gets more than 1000 visitors everyday. If i use those 5 URLs or campaigns that RIC gave me, on my brother's website, will it work? Does it make sense?
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      • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
        @fahad308,

        Not BAd! lol, but it doesn't work that way.

        People that see these ppv ads have agreed to download software from the media networks such as LeadImpact. In return for downloading their software they get things like freebies and free games etc..
        In order for them to receive those freebies they agree to allowing PPV ads to appear on there pcs and those are the people that are see your ads.
        So on the one hand they want something free and on the other hand they MIGHT buy your products or at least sign-up to your email list giving you future possible prospects.
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      • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
        @fahad308,

        Just ask your brother to put a small ad on his Pages, linking to your salespage and give him a piece of the cake if something sells.
        And
        Don't forget... if you are selling a Fat Loss product and 2000 skinny viewers are watching at that moment, you are oviously not going to make a dime. So like I already said a lot of this is knowing what keywords, URLs and what Niche etc.. to use, but you never know whether the viewer is skinny or fat! they do fill out a form to state their interrests to the media networks(I believe) but you still never know who actually sees the ad.
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        • Profile picture of the author fahad308
          Originally Posted by tigerwar View Post

          @fahad308,

          Just ask your brother to put a small ad on his Pages, linking to your salespage and give him a piece of the cake if something sells.
          And
          Don't forget... if you are selling a Fat Loss product and 2000 skinny viewers are watching at that moment, you are oviously not going to make a dime. So like I already said a lot of this is knowing what keywords, URLs and what Niche etc.. to use, but you never know whether the viewer is skinny or fat! they do fill out a form to state their interrests to the media networks(I believe) but you still never know who actually sees the ad.
          Thanks tigerwar for all your help.
          If he puts a small ad of my sales page (which is the link i got from RIC/clickbank) on his website, and if someone view my ad, i will not be charged by leadimpact and if that product sells, it will show up on my clickbank account, right?
          Hope this make sense.
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          • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
            Fahad, You don't have to have a squeeze page or an opt-in page, you can go link directly to any salespage, BUT the real money is in the list (email list) that you receive when people sign-up to before purchasing the product that you are offering.
            With that list you can offer those people many other products for years to come as long as they don't unsubscribe.
            Have a look around in this forum, you will find all the answers and products you need for little cost and this will give you the basics that you need to start with.

            DON'T make the same mistake that nearly every internet Newbie makes - YOU MUST LEARN how to build a LIST of potential buyers - that is where the money is.

            Just like any normal shop, if you have good products, the customer will return to buy again from you and the email list does exactly the same thing - you are LEGALLY able to inform people about new products. It COSTS YOU NOTHING TO INFORM THEM, meaning no advertising costs like you have now and they will buy again.
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            • Profile picture of the author fahad308
              I will look around this forum and again thanks a lot for your help. You saved a lot of my time and money.
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      • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
        Absolutely right Fahad, the sales would show up on your CB account and because you are using your brother as an advertising platform instead of leadimpact, obviously they can't charge you. BUT..BUT

        YOU ARE STILL MISSING THE POINT!

        If you use the RIC sales pages and people sign-up on their pages then you are giving them your your LIST.
        Do it a different way......
        go to CB, find a product that you want to sell and click the PROMOTE button.
        you then enter your CB ID in the top space and anything in the bottom space of that form and press get link.
        Now on your add just enter the Link that CB gave you and that's it. You can do this with thousands of CB products.

        YOU DON'T NEED RIC product or THEIR PAGES! and YOU DON'T NEED LeadImpact. Leadimpact is simply a way of advertising.
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        • Profile picture of the author fahad308
          Originally Posted by tigerwar View Post

          Do it a different way......
          go to CB, find a product that you want to sell and click the PROMOTE button.
          you then enter your CB ID in the top space and anything in the bottom space of that form and press get link.
          Now on your add just enter the Link that CB gave you and that's it. You can do this with thousands of CB products.

          YOU DON'T NEED RIC product or THEIR PAGES! and YOU DON'T NEED LeadImpact. Leadimpact is simply a way of advertising.
          And CB won't charge me for these links, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    Today they launched two new prebuilt campaigns and they also added tracking, but I still think the program will not work, the price is going up very fast in leadimpact, because a lot of people is doing the same thing,, he should launch maybe 20 campaign and distribute it equally to the subscribers so everybody will get a chance.
    And something else, I don't see any optin in the premade squeeze pages so he is not stealing anything!
    Anyway is someone making money with this?
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      Originally Posted by costi View Post

      Today they launched two new prebuilt campaigns and they also added tracking, but I still think the program will not work, the price is going up very fast in leadimpact, because a lot of people is doing the same thing,, he should launch maybe 20 campaign and distribute it equally to the subscribers so everybody will get a chance.
      And something else, I don't see any optin in the premade squeeze pages so he is not stealing anything!
      Anyway is someone making money with this?
      When I said "stealing" i mean't:

      On exiting and or sometimes changing pages, RIC do try to offer something to entice people to enter their email with opt-ins, which is absolutely o.k apart from the fact, that if people don't buy the product then RIC will have the email list and you go empty handed.


      The whole system is a farce when you think about it. You are paying advertising networks so that RIC can get your list and YOU LOSE!!!

      Many people will signup without buying the product straight away, that means:

      RIC get the future customers, you paid for them and possibly didn't even make a Sale!!!

      simply construct a squeeze page yourself and redirect them directly to the CB salespage!

      This program was designed for NEWBIES because they don't realise that they are being Ripped-off!!!

      I can only hope RIC sees this forum and starts changing their way of thinking, if they do they'll make good money because good news spreads like wildfire and that is what any business needs.
      They have to work in favour of their customers or they'll simply end up as one those many scam marketers.
      If they added a possibility for their customers to get the lists and train the newbies, it would be a great product.
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    I didn't watch any video, I realized I loose to much time watching these sale videos, so I just read the mail from one affiliate and I bought the service!
    After you buy the product there are some upsells, that just drove me crazy I just wanted to see the product that I bought. After I got rid of them there is a tutorial where you can see what you will find and how to use the RIC. Basicly they provide you with 5 campaigns (starting today with another 2) that you have to promote by a PPV network and they recommend Lead Impact, even though in the resources box you can find tons of other PPV, CPC networks where you can register and do the same thing, I don't know if somebody did this. Anyway since it is targeted to noobs, I think everybody is following the instructions.
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  • Profile picture of the author green_agent
    That's it, i even convinced myself the first time i read the sales page. Good thing i bumped in to this thread that totally opened my eyes. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Multi-millions
    Costi, I saw that (2 new campaigns) and they're also tracking for keywords
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  • Profile picture of the author Multi-millions
    tigerwar, so your saying the RIC has a lot of potential to be a great product? just making sure i made the right investment on it..thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      Originally Posted by Multi-millions View Post

      tigerwar, so your saying the RIC has a lot of potential to be a great product? just making sure i made the right investment on it..thanks
      If you asked me to take you from A to C but I told you to get out at B, would you appreciate that, would you recommend me to others as a great service?

      RIC is leaving you at B.

      If RIC took you to C then they would not only have a fantastic potential but I would personally even accept to pay them a commision of my sales, this way everybody wins.
      Try to understand; RIC started a great idea but they didn't round it off.
      Any product that is not rounded off (not enabling you to make future profits) is Scam. It means a quick profit for them whilst you die slowly, drenched in advertising bills, still believing in their system but getting nowhere very fast.
      The problem. is that they appear not to be that farsighted at the moment and are leaving you in the middle of nowhere whilst you continue to pay them indirectly through giving them your opt-ins (your future follow up income) and you (not necessarily you, but their customers) still know absolutely nothing about building your own affiliate business.

      If there's one thing you MUST have to truly make it, it's a growing list of prospects.

      Just like the body needs oxygen to survive, a web business needs a growing list of email leads.

      NEVER look at affiliate Marketing as game - It is a SERIOUS business and you MUST invest the right way.

      There is No Such Thing as a Money Mouse - 3 clicks to a millionair
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  • Profile picture of the author CACruiser
    Thank's to all in the WF for saving a lot of people their hard earned dollars. It's amazing how these sales videos/pages "suck in" so many people. Do some research FIRST--then spend your hard earned cash--the offer will still be there!
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    • Profile picture of the author TraderG
      Am I ever glad I checked here prior to purchasing! I definitely don't need another PPV or banner promoting program to get involved with, much less be asking for refund. Thanks for all of the input you guys have made.
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      • Profile picture of the author kDZ2010
        Originally Posted by TraderG View Post

        Am I ever glad I checked here prior to purchasing! I definitely don't need another PPV or banner promoting program to get involved with, much less be asking for refund. Thanks for all of the input you guys have made.

        I have to say that I was about to make the same mistake. I'm glad that I remembered to read the options of the other Warriors here before making a purchase. I know I always have the 60 day money-back guaranty to fall back on, but who has the 60 days of precious time to waste on an investment that's not going to pay you back? Not to mention the extra investment that it would take during that period! And then not to make a profit? Oh, It's time to hurt somebody!

        Thank you so much @Tigerwar for your incite filled commentary that definitely lead me to the conclusion that this was not the system for this newbie warrior. :rolleyes: You are so right when you say that 'this is a business, not a game'.

        I want to make money, not throw it away.
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    I see now by the mails that I am receiving from RIC, that the program is improving by keyword tracking new landing pages, advice to everybody to bid low, but I would really love to hear some feedback from somebody that is willing to try the new techniques they are teaching, because I already lost about $60 on Lead Impact and I don't know if it's worth to try some other campaigns. I don't know why they didn't start the program from the beginning with all these info, I think it would have changed my impression on the program completely, now I really don't trust any of the tips any more, because I've been there I tried also to bid low but without any keyword tracking, the money just evaporated without any sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      Originally Posted by costi View Post

      I see now by the mails that I am receiving from RIC, that the program is improving by keyword tracking new landing pages, advice to everybody to bid low, but I would really love to hear some feedback from somebody that is willing to try the new techniques they are teaching, because I already lost about $60 on Lead Impact and I don't know if it's worth to try some other campaigns. I don't know why they didn't start the program from the beginning with all these info, I think it would have changed my impression on the program completely, now I really don't trust any of the tips any more, because I've been there I tried also to bid low but without any keyword tracking, the money just evaporated without any sales.

      Costi, these aren't new techniques, SORRY but you are the newbie, I really do not want to hurt you but either you are not reading this post or you're blinded by the light!

      YOU will ONLY LOSE with this system, try it with maths, $200.00 advertising - 1 sale(if you are lucky)=$180 minus.

      $200.00 advertising - 10 sales(lol)=break even.

      I am honestly doing my best to help you!
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    @tigerwar I think you're right, I was just reading that PPV is a great opportunity to make money but not with clickbank products maybe only with CPA
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      Originally Posted by costi View Post

      @tigerwar I think you're right, I was just reading that PPV is a great opportunity to make money but not with clickbank products maybe only with CPA
      Hi costi, thanks that you didn't take that in a bad way!

      PPV is not necessarily the wrong way to advertise, but the product has to be a KILLER.
      There are many top products out there but the money is really made with Pre-launch sales (by the so called "gurus") - a product that is not actual.
      The affiliates come together as a Joint venture - that means everyone that is on their lists will be sent an email about "This Fantastic up-coming New Product".
      So JV 1 has 5000 people on his list, JV 2 has 10,000 on his list etc etc. and they all advertise for this product and WOW "it must be GREAT" you think!
      Basically when JV 1 then produces a new product he will be able to offer it to 15000 people instead of 5000.
      So, think about this happening with 30 JV partners!!
      Do they pay $200.00 for advertising?
      No they are sharing their lists and making a quick profit, one hand washes the other.
      You will never make money overnight by buying such products, so think FUTURE and build your own website, use the tools that you'll find in this forum and build your business slowly and with thought. Throw those "overnight Millionair" thoughts away and work hard to build your own Business.
      Believe me, it is easier than you think, but you MUST do some homework
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      • Profile picture of the author Multi-millions
        tigarwar,
        So far, as a newbie, i feel like i'm making some progress and not spending that much money, but thanks for the insight!
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        • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
          Originally Posted by Multi-millions View Post

          tigarwar,
          So far, as a newbie, i feel like i'm making some progress and not spending that much money, but thanks for the insight!
          Progress means making a profit, are you making a profit?
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          • Profile picture of the author Multi-millions
            Tiger,
            Not yet, just breaking even, but i expected that. I know it takes time to make profit. I see people's post about not making a dime in the first couple of months, so i'm anticipating not making any profit in the next couple of months. Like anything else, it just takes time.
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    I think if it would be a system that worked as is promoted you really should not wait two months at least to make some profit, because if a system works for sure at least it will make you a percentage from the money you invest in promoting it, but if your are making only zero, all the time? You think that all of the sudden after a couple of months the profit will start to come? This product promised for all newbies a profit instant without any knowledge. Is it doing that? The answer is for sure: NO!
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    I totally agree with Costi and don't forget you are losing in two ways here.

    1. You are spending lots of cash (and these obviously accumulate with time) attempting to learn something (in my opinion you are making an experience not learning ) but there are many other ways of learning that would cost you about a 10th of those PPV costs.

    2. If you are satisfied at breaking even then you should at least be getting the list as an alternative return, to secure future prospects. I can't stress this enough!

    You will never make thousands overnight as a newbie but many gurus will try to sell you that.
    IM is a Business and that takes time. Utilize this time by reading thru this forum and gaining help from the more experienced, they are all here for that purpose. They are willing to help you and that costs nothing. They will never laugh at you because you are a Newbie so don't be affraid to openly address your concerns.
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  • Profile picture of the author plinfos
    I bought Ric 3 days ago : some hits and no sales. I try with leadimpact.
    I wait a few days and i'll come back
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    • Profile picture of the author fahad308
      Originally Posted by plinfos View Post

      I bought Ric 3 days ago : some hits and no sales. I try with leadimpact.
      I wait a few days and i'll come back
      That's what i did. I waited but now even after 10 days 5000 hits but no sales and i've already lost $120. I even added more campaigns. I think i lost enough.
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      • Profile picture of the author costi
        If you still want to go on with Lead Impact better try some CPA offers, with low payout, for example email submit, or zip, you should see some conversions, from what I read until now everybody is using PPV with CPA
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    @plinfos be carefull to put low daily budgets otherwise your balance will run low very quickly also don't bid too much on the keywords, you will see that the bids will go up very quickly, I think better to stay low with max .02 until you see any conversion ant rise the bid only on the converting keywords. I am just advising you, learning from my mistakes, because I didn't have the chance to try more the program since I didn't want to lose more money. Keep us posted how is working with the program.
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      Originally Posted by costi View Post

      @plinfos be carefull to put low daily budgets otherwise your balance will run low very quickly also don't bid too much on the keywords, you will see that the bids will go up very quickly, I think better to stay low with max .02 until you see any conversion ant rise the bid only on the converting keywords. I am just advising you, learning from my mistakes, because I didn't have the chance to try more the program since I didn't want to lose more money. Keep us posted how is working with the program.
      Costi, are RIC providing you with opt-in pages now enabling you to build your own list or not?
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    Until now I don't see providing any opt-in pages to build any list, maybe in the future, anyway if soon nothing will change with the program I will request a refund!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Walter
    Once again, a huge bunch of idiots have fallen for a scammer claiming you can make hundreds per day...



    Can you honestly not see that he has faked this?

    In future... WILL YOU PLEASE LOOK AT EVERY BIT OF THE PAGE TO SEE IF ITS LEGIT FIRST????

    God!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author costi
    OMG, you are right now I noticed, what a scammer, he didn't even bother to make it look at least legit, I know that this stats can be modified very easy so I didn't pay to much attention to the earnings, but now that you pointed this it just amaze me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sonomacats
    Thanks, once again, to all Warriors for posting feedback on a product.

    As soon as I read a sales page that sounds a little too good, I come here and see what everyone has to say. It has saved me a fortune and a lot of wasted time.

    Thanks again, guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author MariusJ
    Hi all. Newbie to the warrior forum. (Oh ain't that fun!)
    Thanks for all the reviews and info, people. I was about ready to dish out the dollars on RIC and i'm glad I didn't. It seems every time someone sells a do-it-for-you system, there is always a hook. I guess the real gurus really are right after all. Any time you see an ad selling you a do-it-all or magic button system...RUN...FAR AWAY!
    Hmm...Idea for my first blog...
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  • Profile picture of the author Hackbridge
    I'm so glad I came to find out about this product as I was going to launch a huge article campaign to promote it but I couldn't put my hand on my heart to do it now.

    I'll check out another product to promote. Can't believe that screen shot - sheeesh!

    Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author mowens17
    Thanks for review guys. If he's giving you proven campaigns then thats fair enough but getting the right ROI is now almost impossible with the flood of competition due to PPV courses,

    Previuosly I tried Buysellads.com and had some decent traffic but no sales for clickbank or even trial offers, back to the drawing board I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
    Hi guys n Gals,

    Been a few months since I was last here

    Anything new to say on this topic?
    would interest me to know how you've all been doing

    Best regards
    Tigerwar
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    • Profile picture of the author tigerwar
      Originally Posted by trytolearnmore View Post

      That's why i never buy anything from clickbank unless i triple check it with my fellow warriors.

      My tip to you guys: Do not believe in everything a person tells you. Don't even trust the dude you are subscribed to. He is just a human who uses his list to make money. 99% of Internet Marketers do not care about you, your problems, your family or your financial situation.

      Thanks to the Warrior Forum we can filter out gems from a load of garbage.


      Best regards,
      Andrii
      Hi Andrii,

      I agree to an extent but I think it's wrong to lump them all together.

      There are a few really top programs on CB with excellent follow-up services and naturally a bunch of crap. Also and anyone can get a refund without a problem within days at the following address and without the necessity to give explanations.
      One doesn't have to mail the vendor either as they always say in the sales page!
      Clickbank Refund URL


      Best Regards
      Tigerwar
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