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Old 11-19-2009, 05:22 PM   #151
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There were two separate emails to confirm with Brute Force SEO. One for their affiliate mailing list and one for their customer mailing list. Is it possible you didn't get on both email lists? Just a thought.

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Now this is more like it. After a software update, the program is running flawlessly. Haven't had to put in a single captcha. Now if I can just get access to the forum, I'll be set.
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Just tried another run of the static account creator with the new update.

PROS: Fills in account details faster, seems to be taking less time to navigate from page to page. Using Yahoo mail instead of Gmail is a very wise choice, as well.

CONS: That damn captcha service. Seriously, it takes 4-5 minutes to get through the 10 tries, and then I have to do it manually anyway. If there aren't enough staff on hand for the service, or if the staff aren't being monitored properly, it would be nice to have an option to use a paid service or set it to manual entry.

If they can work out the captcha problems, it'll be a great piece of software.
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CONS: That damn captcha service. Seriously, it takes 4-5 minutes to get through the 10 tries, and then I have to do it manually anyway. If there aren't enough staff on hand for the service, or if the staff aren't being monitored properly, it would be nice to have an option to use a paid service or set it to manual entry.

If they can work out the captcha problems, it'll be a great piece of software.
Agreed...

As of right now, I'd say that SENUKE is still the clear cut winner.

Pete has made this software WAY better than it was before though...so, it is obvious that he is going in the right direction...I can't wait to see where it ends up.

I probably won't keep my trial, but will give it another shot the next round of updates etc...
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I haven't tried SENuke. I have tried BruteForce (the old model) and cancelled it.

Apart from the account creation problems, created accounts being closed down rapidly, etc., I found the article distribution leaves a lot to be desired.

Grabbing an article, plonking your keyword in front of the title, and throughout the article seems to me to be a bit shonky. Could have something to do with why the accounts get deleted almost instantly. I can't help but wonder what the authors of these articles think about their creations being used in this manner. I hope they get some links/traffic from the use of their articles as well

Until this is improved, BF/EVO is on the "better value elsewhere" list.

From what I can see SENuke can distribute "unique" content to each account. Although that to is probabaly not without flaws as well. Swings and roundabouts I guess.

Will get around to trying SEN shortly.

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I use fairly related articles and just add something in the beginning to introduce it and tie it into my keyword. The author's name and links stay intact with Brute force SEO. As an article writer myself, I'm hoping people re-distribute my articles (with my links). That's the point of me writing it and uploading it to eZine articles.

And, if you don't want to do that, you always have the option to write your own articles and distribute them with Brute Force SEO or SENuke.

Same thing with SENuke, they have a "download seed article" from eZine articles button (which I believe does not keep the author-box links). But, they tell you to re-write the article since you aren't giving credit. Or again, you can write your own article from scratch.

Basically, how people use other people's writing is up to the user. Can't blame the software if someone writes unreleated articles and they get pulled down. Or, steals content without giving credit.

It's interesting to see all the negativity around this software when I'm happy as a clam with it running quietly on another computer getting me backlinks all day long today. Seems it got a bad rep from the first release, which I totally missed. Might have been smart if they renamed it. But it looks like they have plenty of people downloading the 7 day free trial anyway.

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I haven't tried SENuke. I have tried BruteForce (the old model) and cancelled it.

Apart from the account creation problems, created accounts being closed down rapidly, etc., I found the article distribution part of it a joke.

Grab an article (probabaly unrelated), plonking your keyword in front of the title, and throughout the article seems to me to be incredibly shonky. No wonder the accounts get deleted almost instantly. I can't help but wonder what the authors of these articles think about their creations being abused in this manner. The BF team seem to think that because you leave the author details intact, this makes it ok. Would hate to have to defend that one in court.

Until they get their act together with the article side of things, BF/EVO is on the "avoid like the plague" list.

At least SENuke distributes "unique" articles (correct me if I'm wrong on that).

Will get around to trying SEN shortly.
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It's interesting to see all the negativity around this software when I'm happy as a clam with it running quietly on another computer getting me backlinks all day long today. Seems it got a bad rep from the first release, which I totally missed. Might have been smart if they renamed it. But it looks like they have plenty of people downloading the 7 day free trial anyway.
I havn't read a lot of non-constructive negative comments here from others...

But, I think you're being overly positive because you are promoting it in your sig.

Is it a coincidence that so far, I think you are the only one that doesn't have problems with creating accounts or accounts being disabled - I doubt it.

EVOII is a nice piece of software, no doubt about that as I'm sure Pete will get the captcha thing sped up or at least put an option in to use our own services...But, at $157 a month, it needs to be BETTER than SENUKE and in its current state...It isn't.
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Nah, I'm usually just a glass-half-full kinda guy. But you don't know me, so I could understand why you would assume that I'm being falsely positive to push the link in my signature.

I paid the two year price for Brute Force SEO which comes to about $41 a month. Compared to the $99 a month I pay for SENuke, I think it's worth that amount to use BOTH of them. At the $157 Brute Force price, I don't know. Maybe.

Here are my results for day 1. It did stop the process three times and I had a "Enter Manually" in the CAPTCHA box. I glanced over at the computer and got it back on track. And, it either crashed once, or I did something wrong and it disappeared off the screen.

But the glass half full part is it put out probably 400 links for 4 different money sites in one day. So, I'm seeing it as a positive productive day. And while Brute Force SEO was working away, I worked on my spun articles to put into SENuke at a later date.

I've had my fair share of glitches with SENuke too, but looking at the big picture, I think they're both great.


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I havn't read a lot of non-constructive negative comments here from others...

But, I think you're being overly positive because you are promoting it in your sig.

Is it a coincidence that so far, I think you are the only one that doesn't have problems with creating accounts or accounts being disabled - I doubt it.

EVOII is a nice piece of software, no doubt about that as I'm sure Pete will get the captcha thing sped up or at least put an option in to use our own services...But, at $157 a month, it needs to be BETTER than SENUKE and in its current state...It isn't.
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It is amazing how he is the only one that does not have the captcha problems as jeremy said. I started a run lastnight, got up the dam thing is stuck, so for the next 30 minutes or so I wait to see if at anytime it overcomes anything. Nothing. Im doing the work.

And here is the issue someone named Daniel Mcgonagle brought up in a review of the linking loophole, The links by themselves are ineffective without some sort of promotion of the profiles as a few people have pointed out. In other words if there is no pinger built in to these profiles hard to say if they will ever really benefit.

So if we let it grab articles, with no uniqueness to them and build linkwheels with them whats the point? By the time I put 5 articles in, did multiple titles, 3x resource boxes for each article, I was then thinking these things still need to be accepted (the articles), then after they are accepted they can be social bookmarked , and submitted to rss feeds to help the articles.

But their is no such feature. My impression is this is to be the next step in link wheel building. If it is and we are hoping to get some traffic from the links, the article needs some ability to have someone want to come further.

Hell maybe its me, Im missing the point.But for 157.00 a month I should be able to go to bed, wake up and have results not baby sit this thing paying someone money hoping they get it right. Will do my own work same amount of time.
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I use fairly related articles and just add something in the beginning to introduce it and tie it into my keyword. The author's name and links stay intact with Brute force SEO. As an article writer myself, I'm hoping people re-distribute my articles (with my links). That's the point of me writing it and uploading it to eZine articles.
That's a fair enough way of doing it. But not just plonking a keyword before the title (as shown on the latest EVO vid). If it helps drive traffic to where you want it, rather than where the BF/EVO poster wants it to go, the that isn't a bad thing.

I recall the forum there had people bragging about how "succesful" their efforts had been because 30% of their postings "stuck".

Can't quite get my head around why a 70% failure rate would be worth crowing about. And as more people used it the accounts were banned faster and faster.

I think that what happens is the BF/EVO team test all the sites and have success with them, so it is released to the public. The testing though seems, sorry seemed, to create the footprint that sent out red flags, and the accounts/site was shut off by the time users got to do it. Well that might be what happened. It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Eventually (probably) they will no be nowhere left for them to post to rendering the whole thing redundant. Maybe.

All that aside, if you are happy with it does then more power to you.

Not my cup of tea however.
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Did you update your computer .NET 3.5, Explorer8 and the latest operating system? Maybe that's why I'm not having the problems others are. I'm not trying to push this on you if you aren't into it. Just trying to help.

Good point about the Pinging. At the end of each run, Brute Force SEO generated a list of the links it made. I'm going to pop them into the SENuke pinger.

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It is amazing how he is the only one that does not have the captcha problems as jeremy said. I started a run lastnight, got up the dam thing is stuck, so for the next 30 minutes or so I wait to see if at anytime it overcomes anything. Nothing. Im doing the work.

And here is the issue someone named Daniel Mcgonagle brought up in a review of the linking loophole, The links by themselves are ineffective without some sort of promotion of the profiles as a few people have pointed out. In other words if there is no pinger built in to these profiles hard to say if they will ever really benefit.

So if we let it grab articles, with no uniqueness to them and build linkwheels with them whats the point? By the time I put 5 articles in, did multiple titles, 3x resource boxes for each article, I was then thinking these things still need to be accepted (the articles), then after they are accepted they can be social bookmarked , and submitted to rss feeds to help the articles.

But their is no such feature. My impression is this is to be the next step in link wheel building. If it is and we are hoping to get some traffic from the links, the article needs some ability to have someone want to come further.

Hell maybe its me, Im missing the point.But for 157.00 a month I should be able to go to bed, wake up and have results not baby sit this thing paying someone money hoping they get it right. Will do my own work same amount of time.
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The point of putting out articles is more to get the backlink so you appear more important to google and therefore get a higher position. Not necessarily to get the foot traffic through the link. Otherwise, I'd see your point that it would appear that we're highjacking the link traffic. But, I don't think that's what the article writers were looking for.

I did notice that the EZine terms of service states you can't change the article title. But, it doesn't look like Brute Force SEO is getting their articles from Ezine. So, they are still within the rules or fair game.


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That's a fair enough way of doing it. But not just plonking a keyword before the title (as shown on the latest EVO vid). If it helps drive traffic to where you want it, rather than where the BF/EVO poster wants it to go, the that isn't a bad thing.

I recall the forum there had people bragging about how "succesful" their efforts had been because 30% of their postings "stuck".

Can't quite get my head around why a 70% failure rate would be worth crowing about. And as more people used it the accounts were banned faster and faster.

I think that what happens is the BF/EVO team test all the sites and have success with them, so it is released to the public. The testing though seems, sorry seemed, to create the footprint that sent out red flags, and the accounts/site was shut off by the time users got to do it. Well that might be what happened. It's not beyond the realms of possibility.

Eventually (probably) they will no be nowhere left for them to post to rendering the whole thing redundant. Maybe.

All that aside, if you are happy with it does then more power to you.

Not my cup of tea however.
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The point of putting out articles is more to get the backlink so you appear more important to google and therefore get a higher position. Not necessarily to get the foot traffic through the link. Otherwise, I'd see your point that it would appear that we're highjacking the link traffic. But, I don't think that's what the article writers were looking for.

I did notice that the EZine terms of service states you can't change the article title. But, it doesn't look like Brute Force SEO is getting their articles from Ezine. So, they are still within the rules or fair game.
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, the most powerful search engine on the internet, run by one of the fastest-growing and most prolific companies in history might be able to figure out that links coming from an article that they've already indexed a couple of hundred times might be best filed under the spam column?
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Can't quite get my head around why a 70% failure rate would be worth crowing about.
Not a big baseball fan, are you? Plenty of guys making millions each year for a 70% plus failure rate.
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CONS: That damn captcha service. Seriously, it takes 4-5 minutes to get through the 10 tries, and then I have to do it manually anyway. If there aren't enough staff on hand for the service, or if the staff aren't being monitored properly, it would be nice to have an option to use a paid service or set it to manual entry.

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When you say staff, does that mean the captcha service has real people filling in the captchas behind the scene? If so, I didn't realize that.
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When you say staff, does that mean the captcha service has real people filling in the captchas behind the scene? If so, I didn't realize that.
Yep. It plucks the captcha images from the site and sends them to outsourcers, who read them, type out the the text, and send it back to the software.

I've had a couple of humorous experiences with SENuke where there was an employee who either thought noone was watching or wanted to get fired. For a few captchas in a row I got "hello" "ok" and "zzzzzzzz"
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And here is the issue someone named Daniel Mcgonagle brought up in a review of the linking loophole, The links by themselves are ineffective without some sort of promotion of the profiles as a few people have pointed out. In other words if there is no pinger built in to these profiles hard to say if they will ever really benefit.
I've used the Linking Loophole software a few times to see if it will work.
I created accounts on one month's worth of links at a time, and then posted my links, and then waited another week and did another month's packet of links.

Only four backlinks stuck, the rest (must be around 40-60) did not.
I did not abuse the system by spamming/creating multiple accounts and multiple links either.
This was just my experience and I have not unsubscribed from linking loophole. I'm prepared to try it a few more times to see if the stickiness improves.
Another downside is a few of the sites stopped new user registrations within the same day that a new monthly packet of links were released because obviously too many people were creating too many accounts all of a sudden. So it goes.

So I wonder how long the links created with this evo2 will actually stick/last.
Check your backlinks after a month's time and you will have a good idea.
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Here is that review from Terry McGonagle on linking loophole:

[CENTER]As you may know if you’re a regular reader of this blog I started to test and review Peter Drew’s Brute Force Linking Authority Loophole or BFLAL for short.


I thought terrys review had a lot of good points. Again for 157.00 a month you need to be spot on. This hang in there untill it works better stuff is not cutting it. And like SEnuke right now their effectiveness has been cut down by over half because spammers have blown up the sites with over use and abuse.

These tools get abused and then become less effective. Make your own opinion, this is just mine and like butts everyone has one. Now there is a secret I use of 2 services combined that end up costing 2/3rds of that 157 a month that is spot on and are so good together that it is scary.

But that secret would cost money and I am not sure how much, in fact I am keeping it to myself. Hell they don't even know how good they are for each others service.....

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Please link to third party reviews - unless you have express permission to quote them here.

Affiliate links in signatures are, of course, strictly forbidden. I have not removed the related posts because they contain useful comments (which I don't believe are being made just to boost affiliate sales) but other actions are being taken.

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Coming back to the title of this thread "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke,"

For me I still can't get my head around what Bruteforce does that SEnuke can't do and do much more effectively.

I am still playing with Bruteforce because I thought it had two things that SENuke didn't.

1. I just plug my website and keywords in and then I let it go and do its thing. This does not seem to be the case and currently it needs a lot of babysitting; however, Peter will probably sort this out at some point.

2. I wouldn't have to worry about creating content to promote my sites. I still can't get my head around exactly what Bruteforce does here, unless I supply my own articles then it seems to have a data base of articles that eveyone pulls from; surely somewhere like ezine articles won't accepted this types of articles, there doesn't seem to be any spinning or rewriting involved.

All, in all, at the moment SEnuke seems to be able to still do much more (with more in the pipeline as always) and do it much quicker and more effectively.

Now if I could just plug in my money website and evo II would go off and create real links that would last (at least for a while) and throw out real content then I am still very interested.

If you are able to buy both SENuke and Evo II then that is great, but if it is a choice of one or the other, then for me SENuke still wins hands down, with one caveat, with SENuke I think you need to have a system in place and be quite organised.

If you don't have a system in place with what you are doing with SENuke you will be just creating links all over the place and probably getting very little benefit out of them. This is one thing that Bruteforce seems to be better at, it seems easier to just let the software do it and the software will (or should) do it in a structured way, where as with SENuke, the user has to plan the structure more.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents on this issue.
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have already cancelled and uninstalled. would hate to forget and get hit with $157.

on a brighter note, I have been a member of Lexorsoft for months and love that - real people doing IM stuff for me - no babysitting a "semi-automated" program.

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Sorry Pearsonbrown, I had done a quick search of the FAQ and Help Section for "Affiliate Links Signature". I didn't see anything forbidding it. My bad.
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I agree Carlton, if I had to pick just one, I'd probably pick SENuke.

But, SENuke is much more difficult to figure out. So, I'd recommend getting the extra training tutorials offered by Mark Dulisse.

Or, if someone didn't want to put the time and effort hiking up the learning curve of SENuke, I'd recommend Brute Force SEO. Much, much easier to operate out of the box. But, it's too soon for me to comment on it's effectiveness.

Also Brute Force SEO beats SENuke in video distribution. But, you need a subscription to Hey Spread. It might be smarter to save the $157 a month and just go directly through Hey Spread. Not sure, haven't played with the video submission yet.



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If you are able to buy both SENuke and Evo II then that is great, but if it is a choice of one or the other, then for me SENuke still wins hands down, with one caveat, with SENuke I think you need to have a system in place and be quite organised.
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Bruteforce SEO doesn't re-post the author's articles to other article distributors (ie: ezine articles). It just uses the author's articles to post to other types of sites, adds your link at the bottom, and retains the authors links as per their terms of service.

If you check the "orginal article" radio button, I think that's when it posts to the article sites.

I've been coming up short on getting articles for some of my keywords, so I went to a different article distributor and input articles manually. I avoided Ezine articles though because their terms of service are against changing title like Brute Force SEO does. (although I could manually paste in the title without my keyphrase).


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2. I wouldn't have to worry about creating content to promote my sites. I still can't get my head around exactly what Bruteforce does here, unless I supply my own articles then it seems to have a data base of articles that eveyone pulls from; surely somewhere like ezine articles won't accepted this types of articles, there doesn't seem to be any spinning or rewriting involved.

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Coming back to the title of this thread "Bruteforce seo VS SEnuke,"

For me I still can't get my head around what Bruteforce does that SEnuke can't do and do much more effectively.

I am still playing with Bruteforce because I thought it had two things that SENuke didn't.
Now that the captcha service is actually working, I've been able to compare the two systems a bit better. Using just the base level functions, there are two areas where BFSEO is beating SENuke.

1. RSS distribution. BFSEO turns every single page you create into an RSS feed and submits it to the aggregators. Assuming that the pages that link directly to your money site actually stick, this means that they're going to be getting a lot of link juice, which will in turn be passed to your site. SENuke can do something similar to this if you use an html to rss conversion site in conjunction with their "Combine Multiple RSS Feeds" option, but it's much less automated.

2. Learning curve. For some people, this will be a big deal. When the captcha service is working, you can literally just punch in your site details and walk away. No need for a strategy, no need to wait for accounts to register so you can come back and do a submission. If you don't want or need the level of control that SENuke provides, BFSEO might not be a bad choice.

Of course, SENuke blows it out of the water in terms of speed, number of social networks, control, and reliability. Also, I have a hard time believing that the random articles that BFSEO pulls are going to stick around, let alone get indexed and counted as a backlink. That's just my personal skepticism, I'll see if any of my sites register the new links.

For me, the speed is really hard to accept. With 32 sites and 1 or 2 more being added every week, I can't afford to let it take 1.5-2 hours per run on a dedicated box. If Pete speeds it up and starts cracking the whip at his captcha service, this might be something I'd pick up to complement SENuke, but as it stands right now, I wouldn't regard it as competition.
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Yep. It plucks the captcha images from the site and sends them to outsourcers, who read them, type out the the text, and send it back to the software.

I've had a couple of humorous experiences with SENuke where there was an employee who either thought noone was watching or wanted to get fired. For a few captchas in a row I got "hello" "ok" and "zzzzzzzz"
Dangit' I knew I would get busted for how I really make money on the internet ... I fell a sleep and big mike had outsourced my back up monkey to raid my liquor cabinet.

All joking aside is there not a service that charges 2 dollars per 1000 captcha's?
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I have both SENuke and Evo II. Certainly so far SENuke is superior, IMHO, but I will wait out until my Brute Force Seo membership runs out (in a couple of weeks for a better judgment).

I really like the profile backlink concept (to sites that are actually dofollow) in Evo II, but it is definitely very buggy, and the fact that it doesn't tell you what it has done (unless you go to completion), really P*sses me off.

SENuke tells you what it has done and hasn't done at various points.

In addition, the support/mods over at Brute Force SEO forums are really really bad, IMHO.

They currently have it set up for 47 profile backlink sites (all high quality Angela type sites). Obviously not all of them are going to work, as this is all 100% automated.

Well, the matermind behind Brute Force SEO /EVO, Peter Drew, posted earlier today that his latest run he got 37 successful profile backlinks. I have run the software 6 times. 1 time it crashed and didn't complete (don't know what happened as there was no report), the other 5 times ranged from 16 on the lowend to 25 on the high end.

Anyways, I posted a very constructive reply like: "Evo II so far looks very promising. I see that Peter got 37 successful profile backlinks, but I am only getting 16-25 on each run. What should I be doing to maximize my success rate?"

Here is the breakdown of the reply by the moderator:

Mod: Evo II is awesome, it would take you so long on your own to do all of this stuff.

Me: I understand, but please tell me what I can do to maximize and get more than an average of 21 successful profile links.

Mod: Evo II is awesome, you should be grateful for it.


I'm not sure how i'm supposed to take this other than avoiding my darn question. Their support/mods could take a lesson from the SENuke folks.

In addition, every single time anyone questions about why something is not working or why it takes longer than it should (expecially with respect to the captcha solving), the default answer is "Evo is god, the problem lies with your computer."


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Same here - I was entering captchas through the entire account creation process...The software would eventually solve them but in many cases it would take 3 minutes+ to enter one captcha.
EVO II:

I had to frequently intervene during the account creation process in Evo II.

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There was a problem with many of the captchas, particularly those with 2 words and I got sick of waiting around. So, I just manually entered the remaining captchas.

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Although the software didn't show all of the account passwords, usernames etc, after manually logging in to the accounts, I found that many had been created and I just entered my details into the software.

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Four of the accounts were not created by the software, so I manually created these as well. I have created all of the accounts that came with the program, including revver and bharatbhasha.

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The software had a problem with the gmail account it created. When it was trying to check emails, it kept entering the complete email address into the gmail username submission form, rather than just the username. I got around this by manually logging into gmail, using the created name and remaining logged in while it completed the process.

Although I'm not impressed with the account creation process, especially for the price, I will keep an open mind until I have tested the rest of the software, before my trial expires.

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I too am interested in both products. I am trying to get an objective review by comparing evo2 not bruteforce to senuke ...
SENuke VS. EVO2
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I too am interested in both products. I am trying to get an objective review by comparing evo2 not bruteforce to senuke ...
SENuke VS. EVO2
Hi reapr. Just a heads up, odds are good that thread you created is going to get deleted. The mods aren't huge fans of duplicate topics in the forum.

EVO2 is just the new version of Brute Force SEO. The same product, just with features added. All of the posts after the 18th of Nov. on this thread are referencing EVO2 whether they call it that or Brute Force.

As far as an objective review, I hold no brand loyalties. I'm currently running the free trial of EVO2 and I've been an SENuke user for quite some time now.

SENuke is vastly superior to BFSEO in terms of overall quality and efficiency in every area other than RSS submission and learning curve. I went into further detail on this in my earlier post.

If you have any other questions about either system, ask away.
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Its fair to say that much work has gone into EVO II however there is much room for improvement. I have been subscribed to petes linking loophole software for some time now and even though the captcha solving has the same issues as EVO II does I am very pleased with the service.

I have used senuke in the past and thought I would take out another trial version.

Now that I have both senuke and evo II I can clearly see the strengths of both programmes.

Here are my findings.

EVO II

EVO II is easy to use with few entries by the user and a few clicks you can get the programme to create a massive amount of backlinks.

The captcha solver is very slow.

You dont have much control over what tasks to run and what not to run. I know its possible to disable a few tasks however when I attempted to disable the article module it kept on prompting me to add an article.

The report that evo II pulls up does not include bookmarks

When evo II creates web 2.0 accounts with the articles it adds all of the articles on each web 2.0 account - so if you chose 4 articles then all 4 articles will be in each web 2.0 account you create - Dont think this is good for duplicate contents.

EVO II has an area where you can enter related keywords. When I looked at the web 2.0 accounts that evo II created it would randomly choose the related keywords and backlinks to your website. On every occasion it created 3 backlinks on each web 2.0 account - out of the 3 backlinks 2 of the anchor text were always the same. My findings after using linking loophole was that if you are going to post more then 1 link on any site then its always a good idea to use different urls - something like

mydomain.com
mydomain.com/1
mydomain.com/2

and not

mydomain.com
mydomain.com
mydomain.com

I didnt like this part as I like having more control. I understand that evo II is using a LSI way of using anchor text which is good however for anyone knowing about seo they would do this manually anyway as you can get penalised for using the 1 same keyword over and over again to link back to your site.

The email verification is great

the posting of backlinks to accounts created is also good

The account creation section is slow

I also have a feeling as I havnt looked into all of the rss feeds that evo II also promotes all rss feeds associated with the static accounts for every run that you do - SO unless you are creating new static accounts on every run you will be promoting all previous work that you ran on your static accounts. I dont know if this is a positive part or a negative part however if you are using the software a few times a day then you risk promoting more then you asked for. SO you will be getting many many backlinks. Even though many people say that you will not get penalized for a big number of backlinks on a daily bases I still like to stay in control of how many backlink back to my site if not linking back naturally due to excellent content or other reasons.

SENUKE

SENUKE is much faster at creating accounts

You have more control over senuke

The captcha solving is also much faster.

You have more sites to choose from to create backlinks from

It has excellent random url functions

You can spin your articles from within the software. you can actually spin more or less any part of the backlinks titles, tags and much more.

You have the option of using proxies so if your ip was banned you will have no issues

the support is great and they are always improving the software

However

You do need to learn how to use the software

you will need to make sure your web 2.0 accounts and other backlinks are not isolated

Other then that I havnt really been able to flaw SENUKE

Conclusion

Evo II is in its early stages and am sure Pete will take all of our feedback and tweak the software. As the software stands I think it wil suite people who are newer to seo as its more or less all done for you. The user interface of EVO II is very good and the software certainly looks 10 times better then SENUKE.

SENUKE is my better choice of the 2. The reasons behind it is because it can do all that EVO II can and you have better control. Its faster and once you learn how to use it properly which to be honest I still dont - I am sure you will get much better results.

One thing that evO II is great in doing is the rss feed creation and promotion. Its usses html2rss which is a great service - This can be done manually if needed but exo ii does it for you

I provide seo services for many companies in the UK and have always used outsources to do my link building for me. Now that I have tested senuke again I will be able to do much of the work from my spare laptop.

My seo strategy consists of something like a time line whereby I put my clients sites through certain stages of backlinking throughout the time that I work for them.

So it might be -
week 1 bookmarking
week 2 high page rank backlinks
week 3 rss feed promotion
week 4 article marketing

and for the more established sites I may do all seo backlinking techniques every week

With SENUKE I am able to do this but with evo II im not.

I know many people will disagree with my finding however we all have different techniques and different requirements and thought I would share my findings.

I am not affiliated with any of the 2 software's - just giving an honest review

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. If Pete speeds it up and starts cracking the whip at his captcha service, this might be something I'd pick up to complement SENuke, but as it stands right now, I wouldn't regard it as competition.
After reading a little more in the forum over there, it seems they are using software to solve the captchas, and not actual people, which would explain 1.why it's slow, and 2. why it takes several tries to enter the right captcha sometimes.
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One thing that evO II is great in doing is the rss feed creation and promotion. Its usses html2rss which is a great service - This can be done manually if needed but exo ii does it for you
You know, at first I loved html2rss, but lately it has been getting to me a bit. I'm not sure how many people realize this, but every single feed you create with html2rss.com (which is basically everything for Evo II and BFSEO), includes a link back to one of Peter Drew's products/sites, with the anchor text that he wants. Why do you think he is right behind paypal.com for "paypal affiliate"? So, in essence, we are actively promoting all of his sites. I am pretty sure that he might rule the planet one day with this ingenius method of having his paying subscribers advertise his sites for free.
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After reading a little more in the forum over there, it seems they are using software to solve the captchas, and not actual people, which would explain 1.why it's slow, and 2. why it takes several tries to enter the right captcha sometimes.
You are correct, it is a hard-coded captcha solving system. That being said, I really like SENuke's option of having a paying subscription if you want to.
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You know, at first I loved html2rss, but lately it has been getting to me a bit. I'm not sure how many people realize this, but every single feed you create with html2rss.com (which is basically everything for Evo II and BFSEO), includes a link back to one of Peter Drew's products/sites, with the anchor text that he wants. Why do you think he is right behind paypal.com for "paypal affiliate"? So, in essence, we are actively promoting all of his sites. I am pretty sure that he might rule the planet one day with this ingenius method of having his paying subscribers advertise his sites for free.
Is that true??? You know that for a fact?
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Yes its a fact. Every single one of my RSS feeds has the advertisement in it.

What I just now noticed is that it rotates for each feed too. If you have an RSS feed open from html2rss, and click refresh in your browser, it will repopulate this last position/ad with one of a number of random self-promotional items.

I'm not posting one of my RSS feeds here, but i'll PM to you Jeremey (considering i'm using your automated backlinks package and trust you

These are the anchored links that are rotated ads I think:

rss aggregator
marketing software
coolest guy on the planet
twitter software
campier trailer hire
seo tips
create rss feed
best seo software
paypal affiliate

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Yes its a fact. Every single one of my RSS feeds has the advertisement in it.

What I just now noticed is that it rotates for each feed too. If you have an RSS feed open from html2rss, and click refresh in your browser, it will repopulate this last position/ad with one of a number of random self-promotional items.

I'm not posting one of my RSS feeds here, but i'll PM to you Jeremey (considering i'm using your automated backlinks package and trust you

These are the anchored links that are rotated ads I think:

rss aggregator
marketing software
coolest guy on the planet
twitter software
campier trailer hire
seo tips
create rss feed
best seo software
paypal affiliate

wow....just wow.
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wow....just wow.
If I posted this on the brute force seo forums, I am willing to take bets on how fast my account would be disabled and my post deleted. I put the over/under at 5 minutes.

Note also that at least one of the RSS aggregator sites (either rssmountain or rssmicro) stopped accepting html2rss feeds. The popup basically said "html2rss feeds are known to be spammy".
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If I posted this on the brute force seo forums, I am willing to take bets on how fast my account would be disabled and my post deleted. I put the over/under at 5 minutes.

Note also that at least one of the RSS aggregator sites (either rssmountain or rssmicro) stopped accepting html2rss feeds. The popup basically said "html2rss feeds are known to be spammy".
lol - I don't think some people are really going to appreciate you posting it here either

But, thanks for the heads up I'm still working through the trial.

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Jeremy just go create a feed and see for yourself.
Last feed I created had ... campier trailer hire
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Jeremy just go create a feed and see for yourself.
Last feed I created had ... campier trailer hire
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I believe you guys

I've just never paid attention...again, I say...wow....just...wow
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I've just never paid attention...again, I say...wow....just...wow
Well with free services I cant complain I just use the feed creator. It is not like I am paying to use that service.
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Well with free services I cant complain I just use the feed creator. It is not like I am paying to use that service.
So, against my better judgment perhaps, i started a thread on this at BFSEO. According to the mod, the link is actually to benefit us!! By 1-way linking TO these great sites, we are getting power to our newly created feeds, and that this was done solely to help us, and not to benefit the linked to sites.

PHEW, that's a monkey off my back. Some people are really drinking the kool-aid.
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So, against my better judgment perhaps, i started a thread on this at BFSEO. According to the mod, the link is actually to benefit us!! By 1-way linking TO these great sites, we are getting power to our newly created feeds, and that this was done solely to help us, and not to benefit the linked to sites.

PHEW, that's a monkey off my back. Some people are really drinking the kool-aid.
Yeah if they are random sites not a problem ... good to know.
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They are random sites....Pete's random sites, lol.
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They are random sites....Pete's random sites, lol.

lol...Actually pretty slick - Maybe he can make it so that all the users of the software sites rotate there as well?
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Hi guys,

Just signed up and am looking at purchasing possibly Senuke OR Brute force (not both, lol). I've been reading that Senuke is the better product. My question is, when I checked out the terms that Bruteforce was ranking in google for ("seo software" and "twitter software") Bruteforce was second on the first page. The term "seo software" and "twitter software" are very difficult to rank for, so it seems that BS is doing something right.

However, Senuke ranked for "how do you get to the top pages of google" which I am sure is also a competitive phrase, but not as competitive as "seo software." Also, on the sales pages Senuke emphasized more about bringing traffic and BS emphasized about rankings.

So what are the goals of each software? Traffic or rankings? Is Bruteforce more about getting ranked on google/yahoo and Senuke more about getting traffic from social bookmarkings? Can you rank on the first page of google with Senuke for competitive keywords? What am I missing?
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After reading a little more in the forum over there, it seems they are using software to solve the captchas, and not actual people, which would explain 1.why it's slow, and 2. why it takes several tries to enter the right captcha sometimes.
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You are correct, it is a hard-coded captcha solving system. That being said, I really like SENuke's option of having a paying subscription if you want to.
Interesting. I know SENuke's service is human provided, so I figured Pete's was the same. I guess it's probably substantially cheaper to use software, but it's definitely slower and less accurate in my experience.

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Yes its a fact. Every single one of my RSS feeds has the advertisement in it.

What I just now noticed is that it rotates for each feed too. If you have an RSS feed open from html2rss, and click refresh in your browser, it will repopulate this last position/ad with one of a number of random self-promotional items.

I'm not posting one of my RSS feeds here, but i'll PM to you Jeremey (considering i'm using your automated backlinks package and trust you

These are the anchored links that are rotated ads I think:

rss aggregator
marketing software
coolest guy on the planet
twitter software
campier trailer hire
seo tips
create rss feed
best seo software
paypal affiliate
If I was paying for HTML2RSS, I'd be choked, but as a free service, I have to give Pete the nod here. That's one of the most brilliant ideas I've ever heard of for linkbuilding, and he can just pop in a new link any time he starts something new. Why do SEO when you can have your customers do it for you?

Now, the fact that he sends all of your RSS from EVO II through there, thus getting himself tons of links from people who are paying to have that link juice diverted to their own sites, well, that's not very classy.

Maybe create a version of HTML2RSS without that function and include it as part of the membership. Making your members pay $157 per month when you're getting almost as much out of their linkbuilding campaign as they are... Well, that takes cojones, for sure.

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So, against my better judgment perhaps, i started a thread on this at BFSEO. According to the mod, the link is actually to benefit us!! By 1-way linking TO these great sites, we are getting power to our newly created feeds, and that this was done solely to help us, and not to benefit the linked to sites.

PHEW, that's a monkey off my back. Some people are really drinking the kool-aid.
Are you kidding? Well if that's true, maybe we should all just link to Pete's sites from all our domains and watch our rankings surge! BRB, writing the WSO up...
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I have used SeNuke in the past and am as well trying BF.

SeNuke- Con- If you don't have a strategy or are willing to learn one, save your money. Pro - The crew over there work their butts off to keep things running as smoothly as possible. That and SeNukeX is due in a few months.

BF- Love the profile and rss masher. Slow? Yep. If I keep it, another cpu is in order.

Here is my latest concern though. Unless I am doing something wrong here, the forum has been temporarily disabled.

Only 2.0 sites it will create for me are tumblr. WP, bloglines etc, no go. Though, my brother's creates all without fail. I use a proxy, he doesn't. I tried to help along WetPaint, and it crashed.

Tried running it without posting to the profiles. Crashes everytime. Don't know what it is due to. I am now running it as I type with the profile's and see what happens.

All in all, MASSIVE bugs, but i'm gonna stick it out for at least a month.

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Crashed again.

Would like to know if it is happening to everyone or if there is a bug in my system.

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Crashed again.

Would like to know if it is happening to everyone or if there is a bug in my system.

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It crashed the very first time I did it, but every run since then (about 10 or so) have finished. I'm only getting 2 "main" sites and about 15-16 profile sites at completion though.
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