Linkvana -- 100% whitehat?, SENuke 100% bl**khat?

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I'm a newbie and I'd like to get expert feedback before I proceed with a Linkvana membership.

I have one site which is a niche social network. Our entire business is this site and we cannot get sandboxed or even take the risk of being sandboxed. We need to begin a linkbuilding campaign. For some industry related sites, we are linkbuilding manually and the response is quite good. But we need to scale and we don't have the manpower to do it.

Is there a risk in using Linkvana (responsibly, mind you) to be sandboxed? I do not think we will risk using an article spinner, we just need a network to publish manually written pieces. Any comments on Linkvana vs. SEOLinkVine?

Also, SENuke and Link Dozer seem BlueFart. I do like the suite of tools they offer, can these tools be used responsibly without risking a blacklisting or sandbox?

BTW, $$ is not a huge consideration for me. We'd have no problem paying significant $$ for a link-building project, but it needs to be 100% whitehat. Any suggestions?

Thanks for your comments in advance.
#100% #bluefart #linkvana #senuke #whitehat
  • Profile picture of the author Global365
    Hi,

    Been using linkvana for a few months now with sporadic success. If your focus is a single large site the only limitation that you will face is that they will submit no more then 3-5 links a day per URL. That even includes sub pages which I found a little frustrating.

    Linkdozer is not bluefart, she is one of the most knowledgeable people I have ever met in regard to seo and they have over 8 hours alone on the theory of spinning. And is definitely not for the newbie.

    Haven't tried any others but hopefully this input will help..

    Regards,

    Barry
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  • Profile picture of the author imguru
    If you don't have the manpower but you can pay "significant $$ for a link-building project" I'd suggest outsourcing the job, perhaps to the Philippines?. Right now there are over 5000 people looking for jobs related "link building" at the biggest PH job site.
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    • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
      Thanks to you both. Just to confirm, Linkvana would then be considered 100% whitehat? (they look it) and SENuke bl**khat?

      Regarding the outsourcing, we went that route and got links, yes, but they were mostly PR 0 and some listed were not even done. Our SEO consultant must of used an auto-submission tool. Frankly, I'm worried that if we go with another outsourced service, the result will be the same.

      Any further thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
        Originally Posted by DSGChina View Post

        Thanks to you both. Just to confirm, Linkvana would then be considered 100% whitehat? (they look it) and SENuke bl**khat?

        Regarding the outsourcing, we went that route and got links, yes, but they were mostly PR 0 and some listed were not even done. Our SEO consultant must of used an auto-submission tool. Frankly, I'm worried that if we go with another outsourced service, the result will be the same.

        Any further thoughts or ideas would be appreciated.
        That means you've got the wrong SEO consultant. There are many good ones around. This forum have a number of them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
        Originally Posted by DSGChina View Post

        Thanks to you both. Just to confirm, Linkvana would then be considered 100% whitehat? (they look it) and SENuke bl**khat?.
        As one of the creators of SEnuke I can tell you for certain that SEnuke was never designed as and never will be a bl@#$-hat tool.

        Simply put, SEnuke is a kick butt automation tool.

        I will admit that because of its power it can be abused and used with blackhat strategies by unethical marketers. Used properly it will help you in promoting and obtaining top rankings for money sites using the same non bl@#$-Hat strategies that we as ethical marketers use everyday in our promotions.

        Joe Russell
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    • Profile picture of the author ttrance
      Right now there are over 5000 people looking for jobs related "link building" at the biggest PH job site.
      What site is that? onlinejobs.ph ?
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  • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
    Joe, thanks for your candid reply. As stated, I'm a novice -- but -- I'm reading that a lot of the so-called "manual" services are using your solution -- can you confirm? If the package you provide has the ability to dominate (and cause a little trouble), isn't it foolish to contract services from an irresponsible user who may put you on the wrong side of Google?

    Disclosure: I have a site that doesn't sell some product or part of Clickbank... nope, we are just a site that hopes to provide value for the service we provide. We have 70 or 80 thousand keywords, hundreds of thousands of pages of content and do better with long tail conversion anyhow. So can SENuke help me even if I'm looking for a lily white program that manages every aspect of our link building (we won't spin articles, but rather generate unique content.

    Is this the software that Fortune 500 guys are using to run their online marketing?

    jamestan81, I appreciate your advice. I also think that the "slow down" approach may fit us well. We're only going to promote one site, so it may be enough for us. I like how they set a barrier to stop you from hanging yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
      Originally Posted by DSGChina View Post

      Joe, thanks for your candid reply. As stated, I'm a novice -- but -- I'm reading that a lot of the so-called "manual" services are using your solution -- can you confirm? If the package you provide has the ability to dominate (and cause a little trouble), isn't it foolish to contract services from an irresponsible user who may put you on the wrong side of Google?

      Disclosure: I have a site that doesn't sell some product or part of Clickbank... nope, we are just a site that hopes to provide value for the service we provide. We have 70 or 80 thousand keywords, hundreds of thousands of pages of content and do better with long tail conversion anyhow. So can SENuke help me even if I'm looking for a lily white program that manages every aspect of our link building (we won't spin articles, but rather generate unique content.

      Is this the software that Fortune 500 guys are using to run their online marketing?

      jamestan81, I appreciate your advice. I also think that the "slow down" approach may fit us well. We're only going to promote one site, so it may be enough for us. I like how they set a barrier to stop you from hanging yourself.
      Hi DSG, we cannot confirm whether these "manual linking" services are in fact using SEnuke, we do have our suspicions but this is something that would be nearly impossible to prove and to monitor.

      I can tell you that we have established SEO companies who are using our software to promote their clients sites as well as many large corporations utilizing SEnuke for their companies promotions.

      If you are considering using Web 2.0 marketing strategies in your promotional efforts SEnuke will be a major time saver and will help you obtain higher search engine rankings in less time.

      However, your sites on page SEO factors as well as your offsite content should be properly SEO'd for the keyword you are targeting before submitting the content via SEnuke in order to see the best results.

      Joe Russell
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  • Profile picture of the author Dheer
    try these freelancing sites and select guys based on their previous projects and ratings:-

    Elance.com
    Freelancer.com
    odesk.com
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    • Profile picture of the author ttrance
      Originally Posted by Dheer View Post

      try these freelancing sites and select guys based on their previous projects and ratings:-

      Elance.com
      Freelancer.com
      odesk.com
      I strongly disagree.

      I have used all these sites before, and yes, a lot of them know what they are doing but I saw in a video of one of the guru's who rape you for some easily findable information what I found out myself: A lot of those bidders are third-world-dollar-a-day-per-worker firms that have like 40 indians crammed into one office and they bid like crazy on projects and they just use software like SEOSuite to do your link building. An incredible waste of time. They work on bulk, charging 300 for a job you think its a deal, but you don't get goods.

      Instead I would recommend like mentioned above, you hire a good quality phillipino, help their local economy and they work very hard. You can hire someone GOOD for $500 or 600, (less they are usually not so good yet... these guys do link building they know there is money there so they start to ask for more once they have skills..) bottom line, if you want a human brain to do your link building which will always be better than any script, you cant go wrong with a quality philipino..

      my opinion
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  • Profile picture of the author khay
    Great reply. Most tools aren't blac**at or whitehat by their nature; it's what people do with them that matters. Automation tools can be used to spam (which can do more harm than good) but if used properly provide a valuable service (if you consider your time to be valuable!).

    I love SENuke
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  • Profile picture of the author DSGChina
    OK, last question(s).

    For a novice, is SENuke the right purchase? Assuming that I don't know what will get my site in trouble, are there tips / controls coded into the tool that will guide me or any consultant we use? Keys to a Ferrari in the hands of a 16 year-old, if you will.

    Also, one of the attractions of SENuke is the potential to save time. For responsible, white hat promotion of one site, about how much time per day is needed?

    Thanks to all.
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  • Profile picture of the author lukemeister
    I'm currently using Linkvana and the more I use it, the more I like it. I also was using SEOlinkvine for a couple months, but the second month my articles stalled and weren't getting distributed anymore, so I felt it wasn't worth it anymore.

    I think linkvana is probably the most white hat of any link building network I've used, the fact that you can't spin and can't send out hundreds of links per day is what keeps it under control, in my opinion. I've been using it to build backlinks to sites that I don't want to risk anything on, and the results have been great with no negative effects.

    Yes, you have to write fresh content for each 'post' or 'article' but the minimum word count for each is 100 and 250 words respectively. I find it easy to sit and write posts at the rate of 5 minutes or less apiece, so I can spend about 15-30 minutes a day to keep a continual stream of posts for multiple projects going out onto the network. Not much effort at all compared to some other methods of link building.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrDee23
    Great discussion here. Thanks Joe for your opinion on SEONuke. Knowing that it can be used in a white hat way is very appealing to me. I have clients who could benefit from bookmarking and web2.0 links but blackhat is out of the question. It could cost them their current positioning and me my job. I could sure use some automation tools though, so I will give the 7day trial a shot and surely buy it if it works.
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  • Profile picture of the author cybercyborg
    I would definitely say Linkvana. They have added tons of features and tools that make it a compelling choice. It also lets to submit to social media websites, web 2.0 sites like tumblr, wordpress etc., video sites like youtube, dailymotion and more.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM nice guy
    I've been using Linkvana since 2008, it was a great service then, and it's still a great service. It's not exactly cheap, but it's also not the most expensive. For the money, it's damn good value though.

    They keep on top of what's working in SEO today (and tomorrow), and they cover all the types of diversified links that you'll need in order to rank. If you google for linkvana review, one of the top sites there has a video I believe that shows you more indepth what the membership area, etc, is actually like.
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