Zed Shah

I just got an email about a new product called FB siphon from Jani G, its supposed to be a system on how to make money within a few hours from Facebook ads.

It looks pretty good, has anyone else got this yet??

xxxJamesxxx

I'm just watching the video now.

He basically says he shows you how to research, find a niche, set it up on FB etc.

...TBH it seems like basic stuff to me

James

JaniG

Thanks for the comment

i guess if you see it as basic stuff then you too are making over $1,000 a day with Facebook Ads ?

jrafique

Nice to see Jani G here. Before start seeing the course videos I straight forwardly play a bonus video which is an interview of a CPA Marketer who is making very good money with CPA offers. Would you believe he given away everything. Really I mean it. He given away his exact free traffic strategy of making money with CPA offers.

Let's see now actual course videos and I might be coming with more feedback.

JaniG

THanks for the honest feedback so far!

Jani

xxxJamesxxx

**Bashing removed by moderator. If you have a problem with Jani, take it up in a PM.**

Anyway I'm not here to fall out with you, just giving my thoughts (and that's all they are, I haven't tried out your system so I wouldn't truly know.)

So what I'll do is wait for the feedback, and if on the whole, it's glowing, I'll grab a copy myself.

...unless you truly believe in your system and want to give me a copy to review?

Well it looks like those "honest reviews" are already rolling in ;-)

James

xxxJamesxxx

Yes I totally agree

James

Daniel Brock

Hope you don't ever intend to do a JV with Jani in the future....

'Burning the bridges' I think is the phrase I'm looking for.

Bash bash bash with no first hand experience of his product, yet asking for a review copy....what the hell man?

templarjustice

The major problem is NOT about basics, and not really about "making $1,000 per day" with Facebook ads.

The problem is deeper, where a FACTS can seriously be misrepresented. What is misrepresented in FBSIPHON, just like these other Facebook Ads products that are coming out, is these product owners misrepresenting revenue, and misrepresenting process.

In FBSIPHON, Jani states that $7,734 was made in 1 week (ie: 7 days). What Jani & other Ads product pushers ALWAYS fail to mention is what the ACTUAL costs that were incurred to generate the $7,734.

As has been found in many Ads based products, what you see is a spend-to-revenue generated ratio of $1-to-$2. Meaning, spend $1 & potentially make $2. So, in this case one can only assume that Jani spent $3867 over a period of 7 days (ie: $552 / day) to make the $7,734. BUT, we "consumers" don't know what was spent to generate the revenue - which IS & SHOULD BE, the most important factor of Ads based "How To" products.

Additionally, what's not known was that it is stated that 572 conversions were made. Were these 572 PHYSICAL based products or Digital based products. The issue underlying the difference is addressing RISK. Risk is NEVER talked about or discussed heavily in these types of products. Let me explain: Yes, $7K+ was generated, but what's the risk to YOU when 572 digital products could potentially be refunded? Does this mean you have not only lost revenue made, but you have lost your initial Ads investment - depending on how much is actually spent.

Additionally, you show a 7 day period. What about 7 days after or 7 days before?
What about this months numbers? What about the current 7 days of this week?

Lastly, Jani stated an income claim that needs to be verified. Jani stated in the last 9 months (assuming this to be November 2009 until July 2010), that he has generated $750,000. I would like to see validation and verification of this claim. Earnings Disclaimers require this. Additionally, my recommendation is to not just place the link their, but to actually put one up.

Also, you promote a product as if it's ONLY you doing this yourself at a rate of 4 figures per week, but it seems as though you have a Partner who supposedly is making "6 Figures Per Month", which is not even mentioned anywhere in your video sales letter OR your sales page. So, the question would be when people find this out, why wasn't the 6 Figure Guy not represented in the sales video & how can those sales numbers be verified?

Overall, what it comes down to is accuracy of information, validity of process, and factual representation. You can show 100 people on video showcasing their accounts making money. BUT, if you are spending $90 to make $100, I think that's a problem. If it takes more than 1 product or ad to achieve these results, that's a problem.

So, hopefully since Jani is here, we can get some questions answered: ie
1. What was the actual Ad spend on the $7,734
2. How many ad units were used in the 7 day promotion?
3. Was the 7-day promotion a physical or digital based product?
4. What's the risk involved between physical & digital products on refunds of units sold AFTER revenue has been generated?
5. Can you validate & verify the 9 months of income that amounted to $750,000?
6. Can you explain why your "Partner" who generates 6 figures per month using Facebook Ads is not mentioned in the Sales Page or video sales page?
7. What was Joey from Floridas actual Ad spend to generate the $8,569 in profit in 7 days?

infohog

Perhaps I'm naive but it's a $77 product with a 100% money back guarantee. I say try it and if it doesn't live up to the hype - ask for a refund. If the product is bad justice will be served.

templarjustice

Yes, I agree with your statement, in saying that you are naive.

Because the point of making a purchase based on the concept of "consumerism", is that we as consumers acquire goods & services for the direct use or ownership of those goods or services.

The point is NOT to be purchasing "snake oil' products & services. There MUST and has to be an element of FACTS and REALITY to purchases, whereas, if there wasn't, NO ONE would be making money.

Otherwise, it would be a round-robin of PURCHASES & REFUNDS -- all in the same day.

So people should be living their lives hoping that their hard earned dollars are going to be spent on products & services that don't work. We shouldn't be spending money just because we can "get our money back".

Real justice is letting EVERYONE know the truth, shedding light on fallacies, and letting people know what is real & what is not. You shouldn't have to spend $77 to do that; you shouldn't have to spend $0.01.

TimG

The problem with purchasing products that are bad and then requesting a refund (and I'm not saying this product is bad because I don't own it) is that it leaves a bad taste in the consumers mouth which makes it difficult to sell them a product that is actually good - Hopefully that made sense

Respectfully,
Tim

sambakker

Lol I found the video kinda dull. I can't imagine this would have any difference to other Facebook ad courses. There can only be so far you can go with this stuff until you know everything. As long as you have the ad research and targetting down you have Facebook sorted.

BrianTubbs

I don't think Jani should have to answer all of TemplarJustice's questions, not for a $77 product that is 100% guaranteed. I don't fault marketers for teasing us with some info in their sales copy to get us to buy. But....

TemplarJustice makes an outstanding point about the ad cost ratio. And I would definitely like to hear Jani's input on that. It's a very valid question.

Freelancer's Mind

I'm watching his free video at fbsiphon.com right now...he mentions that the cost for an fb ad that earned him $500 was about $30.

templarjustice

Yes, I know that area in the slide where he discussed a "TEST" of $30 ad spend for $500 revenue.

The ISSUE: He doesn't discuss specifically what that TEST was, how it was run, etc. It goes to make you believe that this "same test" led to $7,300 plus. Which, most likely did not. How many tests were done after the $30?

Point being, there are more details that are missing & we want answers. And I bet we won't get them.

More importantly, $30 spend to $500 revenue doesn't NOT mean anything.....when there are so many details missing. (ie: How many ads were used? Was it 1 product or 2? Digital or Physical? Graphic Based or Text based?

jrafique

You are asking very valid questions here. My questions is Do all other marketers tell as much you are asking? The answer is BIG 'NO'. Its really been the phenomenon.

As a matter of fact most of the time sales page really don't tell what you are going to purchase just hype hype and hype.

Go ahead and search you will find a lot of sales pages of this kind.

Profolegy

Has anyone bought this product yet and if they have maybe they wont tell anyone in case they cant get it to work.
Anyone bought yet?
Cheers.....bruceS....

garyk1968

Agreed, theres another video from one of his students showing $8K in a week, I'm keen to know the spend also, dont mind if its 7k to get 8k if its on auto-pilot all good, just need to share that just so people dont think 'wow I can make 8k in a week!'

Gary

Intrepreneur

$500 / 10 = $50

Ad spend = $30

$30 / 10 = $3

So within $3 ad spend he earned $50 consistently with traffic coming from Facebook. That's a very high ratio of spend to earnings. In fact too high to believe.

Dan Briffa

just been reading through all the comments here

and its true... i think Jani should have told us now much he spent in order to make that money

i am one of the people who bought FB Siphon

and i must say i am happy with it so far

the videos are VERY good and clear step by step

Jani is a good teacher

I have applied some of the techniques so far and here are my results:

Day 1 - i set up a campaign using one of his ready made campaigns

i ended up geting 6 cents per click on one of my campaigns... by the end of the day i had spent $30 and made $130

so thats $100 profit!

my first day i made $100 profit so i am happy so far

its 4 days into it and i have made $100 a day average for the past 4 days

i am going to ramp it up now i know it works

hope that helps

Dan

jrafique

You have got a great ROI man. What one can ask more than this. Thanks for sharing the real results.

slowrider

Well, I have to say that I bought the product too. I don't know, I must be missing something because I'm not making any money, just spending it. lol

I put up 3 different ads:

#1 was a CPA offer that just requires a name and email address and would pay $2.00/lead.

#2 was a clickbank product related to a Facebook favorite game that would pay $20 commission

#3 was a health-related physical product that would pay $35 commission.

So far I got the best CTR with #2 at about 0.075% but NO sales and NO sales with #1 or #3.

I have no idea what I'm missing in this formula but I've spent $150 over 3 days and had no sales.

Unless my request for help as to what I'm doing wrong gets a good answer from them, I'll be looking for a refund.

Just thought I'd share my experience so far.

JaniG

hello thanks for your comments

if you emailed me then i will get back to you in the next 24 - 48 hours with a response and some help

we are also having a webinar next week to show you some more tricks to help you and also doing a live Q & A Session

so watch out in your email for that

thanks

Jani G

candyeagle

To Dan Briffa,

I appreciate you giving your actual experience. Based on that, I think I'll give it a go.

candyeagle

Maybe the difference between you and Dan Briffa is Dan used one of Jani's pre-made campaigns.

finallywealthy

Jani, are you going to avoid or address the questions asked above?

candyeagle

I took the plunge and bought it last night but didn't take the upsells. I'll let everyone know how it goes for this technically challenged woman.

Btw, the downsale is $67.

Yogi Golle

Thanks, Candy for sharing. I'm looking forwarding to hear about your results.

garyk1968

Yep be interested to hear some feedback guys

Ryback

Jani G Product is takes you through the steps that you need to succeed. It talks about keying on a different traffic method through Facebook so you can get low priced clicks. Just like any product if you don't split test and track your campaigns you will probably fail. For my tracking I use Bevo Media - Your Internet Marketing Homebase Its free and I self host the software.

Steve Wise

I bought the product and for someone who knew nothing about Facebook ads I think it's well worth the money for what I've learnt. Jani seems to be getting some (unfair imo) criticism in here for not providing detailed answers to some questions posed. To be fair when does any product developer ever provide detailed figures on cost to return ratio? Never.

I've also found the support from Jani to be excellent, he always replies pretty quickly to emails (3 times within an hour on a saturday morning once), seems to do everything he can to be helpful and there are regular training webinars to help users get the best out of the product.

garyk1968

True they don't but that doesn't mean its acceptable.

darrin_cooper

It seems as some people want to defend this product. That's fine.
However, it seems the people defending the product CANNOT, HAVE NOT and most likely WILL NOT share, showcase or prove their actual results in a detailed manner.

This is the problem that many consumers are having & are seriously getting pissed about, therefore, people are on a quest for ANSWERS....and it looks that no one STILL has provided those answers.

Alice, you say you bought the product and "LEARNED" something.
Well, I challenge you mam -
1. what did you learn?
2. What didn't you know before?
3. What actual results did you receive from the actions performed?
4. Did you make or lose money?

Also, there is a difference where some people are fine with "LEARNING".
However, "LEARNING" does not make money.

I myself, am interested in RESULTS & what the cost of those RESULTS are going to be. Otherwise, you'd be off spinning your wheels for weeks & months, before you realize, that with all that "LEARNING", you might as well start producing RESULTS.

As far as I see it right now, Jani G has NOT answered questions posed by many. And anyone who has defended this product, only 1 person has provided some shady results, whereas he praised the product, however, LOST MONEY! How do you like dem apples?

Oh...and don't forget the people who praise the product, who run in the same crew as Jani....I'd rather see a review by an 80 year old woman, on her last $200, who can actually speak to a specific action plan & result, vs. Jani's next door neighbor who defends the product based on a one shot deal when its clear that's not the persons "main" business model.

nzdealer

You can get the exact same information for free if you dig up. There are providers of free video course of fb ads. Most of the things sold on the net about IM can be found free on blogs, forums and free membership sites.

Steve Wise

Darrin the answers to your questions lie within my post. Go back and read it again.

darrin_cooper

Alice, I went back to read your post, and YES, the answers to my questions are quite clearly in your post....Let's disect those "Answers" compared to my questions.
My Questions (bold) - Alices answers - (Red)


Alice, you say you bought the product and "LEARNED" something.
Well, I challenge you mam -
1. what did you learn? for someone who knew nothing about Facebook ads I think it's well worth the money for what I've learnt
Note: Out of your whole statement, it doesn't specifically say what you really learned. However, I guess we can say you learned "something" about Facebook, given the fact that you say didn't know nothing.
2. What didn't you know before? for someone who knew nothing about Facebook ads
Note: Again, it's safe to assume you didn't know anything about Facebook ads. Would be great if you could share what you may have learned....
3. What actual results did you receive from the actions performed? found the support from Jani to be excellent, he always replies pretty quickly to emails
Note: This isn't really answered, however, I guess we can assume that you are doing "something" which prompted you to "ask" additional questions (whereas, the answers may or may not have been in the product) - but hey we don't know do we.....
4. Did you make or lose money? there are regular training webinars to help users get the best out of the product
Note: Again, still doesn't answer the question, but I guess we can safely assume that you are A.) still asking questions & getting rapid responses from "support", B.) are still "learning", C.) loosing money, or D.) generating a profit, or even E.) breaking even. But I digress.......The answers to the questions lie in your post.

Many others had questions about this product that seem to not be answered, and this consistently goes on for almost every product review there is almost. If people bought the product, people are expecting answers.....obviously the product owner isn't giving any.

Either the product works as it says it does, OR it should be exposed --
And I'm not saying exposed for fraud, but exposed for:
1. Accuracy of what the Sales Page says - does it match the actual product, factual statements & claims.
2. Accuracy of operations - Can a person do actually whats being said in the instructions without having to go above & beyond what's actually claimed.
3. Accuracy of COSTS --(this is what people never come to realize) -- If you actually add up on a cost basis, customers should be ready to spend out of their own pocket $1500 per month...and that's just for the Ad spend.
4. Accuracy of testimonials - what's written & stated on the Sales pages are subject to U.S. FTC regulations.

But hey, how many $67 dollar products do you have to spend on to get it right (since some people defend a "low price" as an excuse to get away with B.S.).

But yes Alice, your right........it's easy to say the answers are there in your post.....but in reality.....not so much.

Steve Wise

I've just learnt something about the Warrior Forum

A. You can type replies in different colours.
B. Drinking too many milkshakes makes you type out long dreary answers.

Anyway you argue amongst yourself I'm going to wash my hair!

The 13th Warrior

Bravo.

Get tired of these vague testimonials with no real world test or results.

Another "useless" testimonial.

Keep taking these unproven "reviewers" to task, darin.

Job well done, dude.

The 13th Warrior

darrin_cooper

I can type over 100 WPM, therefore, "long dreary answers" is pretty short to me. Forgive me if I just shared accuracy & truth....something that we have lost along the way.

Steve Wise

So go buy the product and do your own unvague testimonial then!

If it'll make you feel any less "tired" go take a look at my detailed "Mobile Monopoly" results. Yaaaaawwwnnnnn.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

Manie Amari

Giving your thought and Bashing are two different things!

As you have learned The moderators see things differently.




Manie

Manie Amari

I totally agree. I guess I'm not the only one that see there's something wrong with this picture.


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Manie

Manie Amari

Hey templarjustice, I don't think your going to get an answer.

Why?

Simply because Jani (as a business man and owner of FB Siphon) will not devulge details that will giveaway the strategies to his product.

Hey If you really want to get answers to these questions here are the steps to achieve this:

1. Buy the product
2. Test the strategies
3. If unsuccessful contact Jani

And if after all of this you are unhappy for any reason, there is a 100% refund guarantee.


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Manie

candyeagle

Well, I forgot I said I'd post my results.

On the positive side, the program is very easy to understand and something a newbie could do.

On the negative side, some of the demographics Jani said that we could target, were not available: race, income, # of kids. Based on the target audience I did my research on, those were important demographics.

I've only tried one campaign using the demographics FB allowed me to target and, after tweaking my ad several times, I got 1,765 impressions w/NO CTR in about 32 hrs. My potential audience was 2,980. So, either people don't like my offer or I don't know how to write an ad. I had advertised this offer (work at home) 2 yrs ago on Google and and the CTR was decent.

On the positive side, it didn't cost me anything.

Maybe I should of tried one of Jani's pre-made campaigns like Dan did.

Rob Howard

This thread = reminder why I don't traverse the WF product reviews anymore.

Getting out of here before I shoot myself in the face.

Rob