bigalan6622

OKAY. Now that the product has launched, can we please get some reviews from people who have actually bought the product and taken a peak inside at what you really get. I want to know what you actually think about what you got for investing in this product at the 2k price tag. Let's not have this thread get turned into another guru bashing complaining about high ticket products that will eventually get closed by mods. Let's get some intelligent discussion going about what you think of what you have purchased.

Zach Booker

The actual course isn't starting until Monday, when everyone is on board and ready to go.

Right now there's just some homework and vids for students to take advantage of.

Cheers,

Zach

imguru

If it's a really good product the price could be justified for, $2K is a lot of money for most people but remember that you are running a business and to get the knowledge you could get, (if the product is good) would definitely be worth $2k.
Just compare to what high end software such as Photoshop or some 3D rendering program is priced at and it's not that expensive!

procoach

Indeed, so far, not much to report on.

It's an 8 week training program where you learn how to dominate SERPs. It includes group coaching, a site review and link building software.

The video on the main sales page shows what the 7 main modules and the bonus module entail and the results you can expect to achieve. There's also a screen shot of the link building software.

Expectations are to be on page 3 by week 3, page 2 by week 4, page 1 by week 5, top 3 by week 6.

Finally, there's a 60 day refund period if you're unhappy about the amount of traffic you're getting.

Hortensia

I just saw another video where Ryan explains what's included in the course, and I think that that justifies the price of 2k.

It's more than just an seo course.

I am only mentioning:
-emails that you can use to send out,
-leaning how to set yourself up as an seo consultant yourself,
-learning how you can outsource perpetuation after the initial traffic steps.

So that sounds valuable to me. It's a couple of courses in one, plus the 'handholding'.
To be fair, you get a lot in this course.

Skylars1

Seems like a lot of money to learn that you need to add Social Media and web 2.0 to enhance the "Buzz" and traffic to your websites.

Think I will wait a month and get the $297 knock off courses.

LiamP

It will be interesting to get a look at the included software when it becomes available.
The included software is not the free Cherry picker tool, it is vastly more feature rich.

If this software does as much as other SEO tools that charge a monthly subscription, it changes the value dynamic right there.

procoach

The screenshot in the video looks pretty impressive as far as breadth is concerned.

For more details, you'll have to wait 4 weeks though as the software is only given out then.

Pierre.

abbadox

Does anyone know if it's possible to get the whole program right away instead of little by little each week.

procoach

I don't think so; Ryan makes that quite clear in the introduction.

He explains he doesn't want students to create to many links at an inappropriate time --it's all about sequence and proportion.

Pierre.

WyattTenG

Could someone that has purchased this course send me a PM about the contact of the PTF support?

I've purchased PTF and yet I still haven't got my login details and even the "receipt" though.

Am I the only one facing this problem? If yes, I really do not have any ideas to prove myself that I'm one of the purchasers.

The most terrible thing is my credit card has been charged


Could someone here please lend me a helping hand? I'm seriously in need of help.

Thank you so much in advance.

procoach

DrivingTraffic Support or call 512-749-1388 9am-5pm M-F CST.

WyattTenG

Thank you so much procoach!

Anyway, what happened to Ryan Deiss with this guy at Ryan Deiss :: Perpetual Traffic Accident


I feel kinda uncomfortable after reading that post about Ryan. What are your thoughts? I'd really like to hear back from those of you who have already purchased the PTF course.


Thanks!

ruch1v

To be honest, Jeff Johnson and Eben Pagan's bonuses for this course justify getting the $2k, not to mention the 'driving traffic' live event too


Ruchi

WyattTenG

Just wonder why Ryan is being called a "SCAM". And that website seems to have some solid readers and it's kinda well established.

I don't really care about those GURUs' bonuses though as long as the PTF really delivers "results". This is the most important part after all.

ruch1v

I read your post after I posted, Ryan Deiss is NOT a scammer, the thing I like about Ryan, is that he's someone who actually does internet marketing, rather than just teach it, which is my pet peeve in this business that I spoke about here. Ryan's in niche markets such as forex, muscle gain, if I remember correctly, this is 1 of his sites, 3x Method, while I didn't fully read the blog post you sent, I saw that they were showing Ryan's IM product's alexa rankings as proof, although I'm an SEO girl, if I were in the make money niche, I would NEVER try and go after the keyword organically, it's just way too hard, whereas, ,my niche affiliate and e-commerce sites is another story.. If this guy really wanted to prove Ryan wrong, he should have investigated his niche sites instead.

I'm not an affiliate of Ryans, and I've never even met the guy, but I've bought some of his stuff in the past and they have been fantastic, and I have no doubt that this product is any different.

Ruchi

WyattTenG

Thanks a lot Ruchi, your words do help a lot!

Wyatt

ruch1v

No problem Wyatt


Good luck


Ruchi

Daniel Brock

That link you posted is from a bitter blog owner who has no clue what Ryan's product is about.

There is no way he can possibly know anything about it because it hasn't even begun yet.

His audience is a bunch of bitter IM failures who need to justify their failure by bashing a successful marketer.

Look what he has to say about Frank and every other top marketer out there....

bigalan6622

I realize that we all have our opinions of whether or not a product should be sold at 2k or if there are better ways to spend the money but this thread is simply for reviews from people who have bought the product and want to give their input of what they got from it. Let's just make sure this doesn't turn into a guru bashing thread that ends up getting closed by the mods.

Raynex80

In that case, I'd also love to know how those who bought the product felt?

Is it any good for you? If it is than that alone justifies the $2000 price tag.. but if it isn't.. perhaps you could get the same information for free whatsoever, then it probably isn't worth it at all.

It really as simple as that... how much value we receive to justify the price tag of $2000.

Of course for most people... they would expect something out of this world for such price tag. Hence the reason why such discussion exists in the first place.


I like your comment though ruch1v... a lot of times the bonuses alone are more worth it than the main product.

I used to buy a lot of products before.. not because I want them.. but because I want the bonuses.



Ryan

pyrmontvillage

Gotta love this forum. There are always buyers for almost anything. Look if you really want to know how Organic SEO is done Properly minus the hype, and inflated price tag speak to Dan Thies: http://www.seofaststart.com/

davemiz

yeah you can learn seo anywhere...

i think people like the structure and the system aspect of this course.

thats what makes it appealing.

if I was buying this, i'd go find the best bonus package.... you'll end up getting so much more for your money... some of these bonuses are sick.

kenwarrior

I have to say that anyone who paid $2000 for this course has been taken!

I already get perpetual traffic to all my wordpress blogs just by using a couple of pluggins, adding some content and getting some links, thats it!, takes about 1 hour per blog max, you can learn all this in this forum for free

Hell, even blogs that I have installed but not built out yet rank in google quite well and get traffic, just based on the domain name!!

thetruth23

Anyone else having problems after logging in to the members area?

I log in and then whenever I try to view a page I get the following message. (I've obviously paid and have full membership)

You do not have sufficient rights to view the full content.



It's annoying and I'm beginning to get impatient waiting for Ryan or his team to let me know why this is.

Anybody else help?

WyattTenG

I was having the same problem as yours 2 days ago and now my problem has been fixed by Ryan's support team.

Contact his support team at DrivingTraffic Support or call them at this number 512-749-1388 during office hours.

Hope it helps.

Wyatt

x3xsolxdierx3x

Think the article is bad? Did you read any of the comments?

As mentioned above, though, he could just be a bitter IM failure who needs to divert his anger towards someone else......Personally, I'd be interested to hear what those who have REALLY used this have to say about it.....

njaad

If you make at least 2k plus the worth of your time and effort by following this system, then it's worth it. If not, its not, at least not for you. I would suggest to do *exactly* as Ryan instructs and put down some serious effort before writing any reviews pointing out that everything is available here on the forum or the information is basic. It's a complete system, and presumably the individual pieces work together to create a whole that is difficult to find scanning through posts on a forum.

WyattTenG

To those guys who have already purchased this.

Did you guys notice that Ryan doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to Keyword Research? He claims that with full of confidence as if the Google Keyword Tool shows that there is no global/local monthly searches for a particular keyword doesn't mean that the keyword has no searches...... Yes, I know that particular keyword still has some searches but definitely is something like 10 - 100 *SEARCHES* per month..... ( This will seriously mislead an absolute newbie in SEO to choose an unworthy keyword to optimize for... It's a terrible nightmare after all the efforts putting in. That sucks.. )

With another SEO lesson I learned from Ed Dale, it's more reliable and proven as I got a micro-niche site on Google page one already after I've done all the things The Challenge teaches.

I'm not trying to bash Ryan. Seriously, did you guys watch the lesson carefully and realize that Ryan doesn't really know what he's talking about... About the commercial intent part, there are many more "reliable" and "practical" ways to justify it though.. For instance, how many Adwords advertisers are bidding on a particular keyword.

That's enough said. What are your thoughts? I will definitely ask for a refund after this 1st module. I'm very disappointed

Wyatt

A Bary

With no hard feelings, if you're not certain about the course, and you're waiting for the first controversial thing to be said to justify your refund request, why did you pay for the course in the first place?

Did you expect a magic bullet?

I didn't see the module you refer to of course, but also not sure you understood what he said correctly...

Ryan is a great marketer, and just saying he don't know what he is talking about is a big claim and need some knowledge and experience from your side to make such a judgment.

If it's about Google Keywords Reliability, there's definitely a big concern about the keyword data you get from Google, and in many cases it's not reliable, and gives high search counts for useless keywords, or low search volumes for great keywords...effective keyword research is much more complicated than getting some search counts from Google and following them.

WyattTenG

I'm sure that you don't know what I'm talking about and I'm giving my review as he's seriously misleading people when it comes to keyword research.

Wrong is wrong, I'm not trying to argue with you. Those that who purchased will know what I'm talking about.

You seem like the one who wanted to show your profession or something to judge on other people's review.

Of course, no hard feelings

Wyatt

PS : And I don't say I need a magic bullet and further more I'm making some money with PAID advertising. But I do always learn from other people and work on it. Unfortunately, I'm no expert. Thanks!

PSS : Anyway, every SEOer knows that the DATA from Google itself is just some estimated DATA. Everyone knows though

palpatine

EDIT: While I was typing this post a few other people also posted, I haven't read their posts yet, but keep that in mind when you read this.


Ok, you want a review from someone who has purchased, here it is:

First of all, when I signed up, there was an upsell for $200. I bought it because I figured if I'm dropping 2k on a program, what's another $200 - I haven't watched the 4 or so videos that came with the upsell yet, but I watched like 2 minutes of the first one and it was 30 minutes of some seminar recording from I don't know where or when. Anyways, moving on to the meat :

When the first module got released last night I watched it right away. Seriously, pretty basic and I must say that I was more than a little bit disappointed.

Honestly, without getting into too many details, as that wouldn't be fair, but the order of the videos seemed way out of whack to me. It is all about doing market research but there was no real starting point. I don't even know how to describe it other than it seems like there should have been a few videos with some outlined steps before the videos in module one. Any other PTF members agree with me here?

I'm fairly new in this business but I've taken a few courses that I think were phenomenal, Video Boss, List Control and a couple others and they were structured perfectly (maybe I'm just spoiled now) but I never felt like I was missing a big piece of the puzzle with the other high-ticket courses.

Another thing, I don't know if anyone else that downloaded the Cherry Picker software ran a Google search to check the accuracy (I'm sure there were many that did it) but for me the results are inaccurate. I've tried with several different keywords in several markets and sometimes it's good, but sometimes it's waaay off. I have a couple of sites that rank on page 1 of Google for low competition keywords, in local markets with the city in the domain name, and they don't show up at all in Cherry Picker. Doesn't make any sense.

I would have said something in the comment area of PTF so that someone could explain.......but there is no comment or question area following the videos. Weird.

Bottom line for me here, and I'm not trying to bash this guy as it's way to early in the course to really make a solid determination of the value, but he needs to kick it up a few notches if he doesn't want a massive refund rate. (IMO)

Also, it's worth mentioning that there is proprietary software, for link building, included with this program and it won't be released until the 3rd or 4th week, so I'm sure that will be pretty valuable (I hope).

Anyways, I'd love to hear other members chime in here.

Thanks,

WyattTenG

palpatine, I'll tell you what.. I've been using Market Samurai, Micro Niche Finder and Traffic Travis for quite some time. They can all work together quite nicely and give DATA that are pretty close.

Perry Picker is just messing up with those numbers seriously..

Yes, I'm one of the buyers. I'm not satisfied with the product and so I voice it out and show that I'm not a happy customer after all.

Of course, I don't make millions yet and some people seem don't like seeing intermediate marketers that give negative comments on a product. Unless you were Frank Kern or Eben Pagan? Then you may give your "true" comment though

Wyatt

Zach Booker

Remember that most tools (Market Samurai, etc) get their Google data from Google themselves.

...Most people are predisposed to think an expensive tool (market samurai, etc) give more accurate results because of their cost.

In reality in my experience there isn't much difference in Google's data and Market Samurai's and for most keywords Google's keyword tool isn't far off.

(Make sure you have things set to the same when cross-analyzing. Like having "broad" set for both tools and accounting for MS going by daily traffic not monthly)

From my understanding Module One is tinier, as it should be since everyone is getting ready and settled, and Module Two is huge in comparison with a lot more in-dept stuff, money making stuff.

I'd hold off on making any judgement calls. That's like saying a football team will never win a game just because they lost the first game. There's still months of content to come (I'm pretty excited for "the hammer" section).

Cheers,

Zach

palpatine

Hey Zach, I'm glad you mentioned the settings in the keyword tools (broad, phrase, exact) as I wanted to comment on that as well because there was no mention of that - at all - in the keyword research section. Don't you think that should have been discussed? I mean there is a huge difference between broad, phrase and exact match numbers and how and why the search results are displayed. I think that he was remiss for not mentioning the differences, don't you?

Aussie_Al

I wonder if we would see the same level of "bashing" if the course was $197?

palpatine

Al,

This thread if for reviewing PTF. Some reviews may be favorable and some may not be so favorable. I definitely stated in my review that I think it is too early to make an accurate assessment of the course, but that in my opinion, the first module was a little lack-luster.

I think that the cost of the course if definitely a factor, however, if the info is bad the info is bad, no matter what the price.

Ryan clearly stated in the first module that keyword research is usually brushed over, like it is an afterthought or something, in most courses and he wanted to make sure that he trained us to build the proper foundation for our businesses by explaining it thoroughly. I just don't think he did a good job of that.

I purchased the course to learn from a master, and with a price tag of 2k, I don't think anyone would expect anything less. Ryan Deiss is obviously a master marketer, anyone that followed the launch will agree with that, but this course is about how to get traffic. If this first module was the first module of a $200 program not a $2000 program, I would be just as disappointed so far.

I hope when all is said and done that I can come back here and give rave reviews, believe me, I didn't purchase this course so I could jump on the Warrior Forum and bash someone.

Aussie_Al

Sure man - I wasn't directing that at you but the people on that link to that blog that picked it apart

I don't think the course is for me but I am looking forward to reading the feedback from those who actually bought it

Keep us all posted

Jeremy Kelsall

Don't you think that scrutiny should be higher when you pay more money?

I didn't get the product because I don't need help with SEO or getting traffic, but I'm sure many newer folks or people that need help in these areas snatched it up, and I'm also sure that they will scrutinize the product a little more than a product that they paid $27 - $197 for.

So, I'm sure the reviews are going to divide into 2 groups.

People that love it

and

People that are pissed off

I didn't watch or follow the pre-launch so, I'm not sure what kind of content Ryan promised either...did he say that there were secrets he was going to expose, or was this marketed more as a "SEO System"?

If he marketed it as "secrets" then the reviews will be a little more subjective as something that might be secret to me, might not be for you...If he marketed it as a "system" and he delivers a system, then people got what they paid for - regardless of the price.

Doctore

Hi Everyone,

I paid for the course and have watched the first few videos. Overall, it's WAY WAY tooo early to make a positive or negative judgement based on the first "intro" week.

Yes, he did gloss over Google's keyword tool when he was going over how to determine a value for a specific keyword, but in fairness he was only giving an example using that specific tool. The point he was trying to make in his video was to give us a few ideas to run with, which I believe is a better approach. Why spend hours showing how to do a broad, exact, or phrase based searches, market selection.. etc..?

The goal of the video was to help us determine which fights to pick by determining # of searches, and various other competition metrics he outlined (domain age, keyword in URL, etc.) and then fill out those competition worksheets to determine if the keywords you are going after are worth it.. I hate to assume, but I'm sure his weekly coaching calls will be where you can ask specific questions related to things that were not clear to you.

As I said above, its not fair to anyone to make a judgement call after just one week regardless if the product was 200 or 2,000. I will however continue to post updates each week on how I feel the course is coming along..

One thing I do want to mention is that I have never taken a course from Ryan or bought any of his products, nor am I affiliated with him in any way... im just a guy who found "value" in what he was pitching based on my own success with organic traffic... 95% of my income is derived from sites that are based 100% on organic traffic (my sites get well over 40,000 uniques a week) ... so there is definitely truth to what he is saying.

Will post more as the course continues on..

Tony Shipp

The lesson you should get from this course is how to launch a product. Ryan has shown me he is an excellent marketer if anything. I did not purchase because I didn't see anything that displayed his SEO skills or examples of traffic outside of his prelaunch process.

Regards,
Tony

thezone

yawn....

nobodyspecial

Damn, you beat me to it

dseisner

Well put, Jeremy.

The product should definitely be scrutinized to a greater degree. It's $2000! It should kick ass, no?

Regardless, it's certainly going to be impossible to see the results until 60 days into it. Even if all the info is old, apparently there's a whole timing aspect to all of this. He's giving a 60 day guarantee to see results, that's pretty powerful.

But I didn't get it and I won't. I just don't "buy" it that he has new information. The premise is based on the changes from the caffeine update, which was only rolled out full scale a couple of months ago. How is it possible that he tested his theories and then was able to put together this product and launch in such a short amount of time? My inkling is that one needs to work on this type of launch for AT LEAST 2-3 months. That would be tremendously fast, in my humble esteem.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ryan is a super marketer, one of the best I've seen. I've learned a ton from his $197 trainings, which are priced high but worth it.

But he's also super at bashing every other method to sell his current method. He just released a Facebook course, but now paid traffic sucks? When he released Facebook Ad Power, suddenly Adwords sucked... but that was just after a launch of 2 different Adwords products? Weird. Or is it?

If you listen to his words in the sales letter, he was REALLY pandering to beginners. Go listen to it and you'll see. Forgive me for saying, but I don't know if these guru marketers are SEO experts, based on what I've heard. None of Ryan's pre-sell material was groundbreaking... not even close. I think they're excellent at SELLING and I think they hire people for their SEO. How many people do you think Ryan has working for him? Do you think he's out there building backlinks by hand? I'm just speculating here of course but don't you think that makes the most sense?

Anybody else notice how lucrative SEO is right now? He saw an algorithm change and decided to capitalize. Very shrewd of him, no?

So, I basically chalk this up as fantastic marketing and a picture-perfect launch for an upper-level marketer to catapult himself into "guru" category.

I wrote a blog post about this on the day of the launch. You can see it here: Ryan Deiss’ new product, “Perpetual Traffic Formula”: Is it anything new? (…and sly marketing tactics)

UPDATE: I just watched the youtube video posted by "the zone" and that's a perfect example of exactly what I was talking about. I think it's funny that I wrote this right before watching that, but it's perfect proof. He even admits to not being an SEO expert! And bashes SEO, just so he can sell Facebook Adpower. He's continually turning his back on methods just to sell his current one... I think he could sell just as good even WHILE keeping his integrity. No reason for lies if you've got the goods.

webtrix

WyattTenG, I'm sorry, but he's right.
And it doesn't have to be 10-100 searches per month, I'm ranking for a couple of keywords with thousands of searches per month, while GKT shows that there is "Not enough data"...
It just takes time and experience to find such keywords...

dseisner

This is the truth. Seen it happen plenty of times.

jayman

Thanks David for being honest in your review and opinion as usual and not bombarding us with emails, shoving this product down our throat for a commission check like some other "gurus" and marketers. We really need more honest internet marketer like you

Mountainbird

Absolutely true. But where are they?

jayman

Jerry West is another "good guy", he created quite a stir in the Internet marketing world by coming out against the hype involved with the Arbitrage Conspiracy launch, that every "gurus" jumped into promoting.

Anyway, this thread is for review of Perpetual Traffic Formula, so I won't say more.

jayman

Please keep us updated with your review, thanks