LIndaB

Has anyone bought Never Fail List Building from Bill McCrae? It sounds very interesting, but for the price I would like to hear from some Warriors first.

mtkman

I bought it, but did not have a chance to take a look. Will do today and post an update.

I did buy Bill's Marketing on the Fringe course, which I like a lot. I like his way of automating things.

I can tell you this though, same as in Marketing on the Fringe, you will need to make further investments in automation tools or plugins besides buying the course.

Cheers and til later,

mtkman

LIndaB

Mktman, what extra tools do you need? The video made it sound as if everything were included.

mtkman

I have not been able to look through the whole thing in more detail, but from what I can tell so far you will need of course hosting (they recommend Hostgator Reseller), you will need an autoresponder (Aweber there), you will need WP Robot. I think this is pretty much it. So not too bad. They do recommend some other services as well like WP Direct, but they may not be needed.

I think it depends also on what you are planning on doing and what type of niche you plan to work.

Hope that helps a little bit. Will give more info once I am further through. So far I have only watched the Overview. Maybe someone else here can provide some more info.

Cheers,

mtkman

slowrider

I sat through the extremely long video sales page but want to hear more from other Warriors as well before I make any decision to buy.

LIndaB

Yes, it was a long video. And although it sounded like he was saying that everything could be set up for free and that everything was included, that's not really true if you also need WP Robot and WP Direct. Robot is about $125 and WP Direct has a monthly cost, so that's not really doing it for free - especially after paying $500 for the course.

If those 2 factors are needed, it sounds like he is teaching using auto blogs and maybe some plugins like Only Wire or the use of Ping.fm for the automatic promotion. I really wish he had gone into more detail, especially for the high price.

slowrider

Hi Linda. That's what I was thinking too. When he talked about using RSS links and other social/web 2.0 traffic links I was wondering why a person couldn't do this yourself? If it's just the fact that it's automated into a software program, I'm not sure it's worth the price. Sounds like he recommends building 100's of sites a month (or outsourcing this) but if you're just building 100's of junk sites with no content?? I'd still like to hear a lot more about how this works.

mtkman

Just stopped by here and saw your latest posts. You do not need WP Direct and WP Robot at the same time it is either or. Bill likes WP Direct, but I think the NFLB is setup with WP Robot. So, it is a onetime investment for a license. And I am not sure if you need the full one.

And I do think the idea is to setup many blogs, places, lenses, hubs, etc to get optins from to build your list. And doing this pretty much on autopilot.

And I would like to add, that I have not seen an opportunity to build a business without making an investment. And that usually means financially and timewise. Something for nothing does not exis in my experience.

If an investment of $500 to $1000 is too much for someone looking at this course at this time I would tell you that it is probably better to go look for another course or membership with a lower investment.

For myself, I will build my first cluster this weekend in a very specific niche and monitor the results over the next week or two. After that I will hire one or two people somewhere in Asia to keep building clusters on a daily basis.

I hope that helps and apologies in case I did offend anyone, that was and is not my intention.

Cheers,

mtkman

dwinland

Being on the inside of the NFLS and watching the training, I can say with certainty that the only extra expense needed is a purchase of a domain name and your hosting fees. Everything Bill provides that is included in his package will work.

There are paid products that he recommends, but they are completely optional and Bill is very upfront about this.

The core system he is introducing is a complete package and will work without any additional product investments.

slowrider

So do you need to buy a domain for each website you want to make? Or does one cover all? If I need to buy 100 domain names it could get expensive.

tsgeric

@slowrider - If i recall the sales video said you could do it all from one domain, but they didn't expand. I agree it would get old to try to identify and purchase domains (and hosting) if you are doing two sites a day as the sales video suggested.

@dwinland, you've drawn a distinction between what's core and what's optional - can you share a little more detail about domains/hosting, and also about how the auto-blogging is accomplished?

Since WP Direct is a monthly charge, I imagine that paying up front for WP-Robot make more financial sense.

molsted

Me too is interested in knowing a little bit more about this. The sales video is so long I couldn't find time to watch it, just had the sound in the background untill the order button became alive. Some will say that "if you cannot sit through a video you don't have the time to the work it takes and blah" but since the video could not be scrolled I simply didn't find the time.

I don't give **** about the general stuff that is usually piched as what I want to know when I buy a software is EXACTLY what the software will help me with in technical terms.

I am a great fan of leverage through outsourcing and software so what I'd like to know is:

* Is it a software or just a course? I allready know how to makret stuff and build sites. Don't need that. Only need the tools to take me further.

* Need to build article websites etc?

* I am a WP Gold member and have Reseller accounts on various hosting providers incl Hostgator. Anything else needed?

* And really: What is different to this method than for instance using SENuke to build a cluster of web20 sites? Maybe the methods thought?

* How long does it take to build a complete cluster of this type and is there a need for any additional link building or so? From what I understand this is not about building links...

It's all automated I think I remember from the salesvideo which sounds almost too good to be true. ...and then it usually is.

If someone can answer me these questions in a satisfying manner, I am probably sold. Hey, Bill!?

dwinland

@slowider - I would say that you need one domain for each "niche" you want to be in an build your other sites based on that. In the sales video Bill calls it your "master blog" and then the clones are the mini-sites.

@tsgeric - WPDirect and WPRobot are two different animals. WPDirect is a way to automate the installation of your sites. So you can install the sites yourself, hire an outsourcer or use a program like WP Direct. If you have more time than money you can easily install the sites yourself.

WPRobot scrapes content for a wide variety of sources. Bill provides an effective way to do that with NFLS. If you want to increases your options, WPRobot is a great way to go, but by no means necessary.

Autoblogging is just one part of what NFLS is all about. It is a system that takes the traffic that autoblogging can generate and being able to direct it to wherever you want.

Hope that helps.

dwinland

To answer these questions:

It is both. You get all the software you need to make this work. And there are extensive videos on how to install and use it.

I am not sure exactly what you mean here, but I do not think so. Just build your traffic generating sites.

A reseller account is all that Bill recommends.

There are several differences, the main being the control you have over your own sites to "direct" the traffic to where you want it to go.

The amount of time is going to vary, but all things being equal, perhaps an hour for the master blog and 15-20 minutes for each clone. Also, in a way it is about link building, but this is automatically done for you and not for the purpose of ranking a page on Google, but casting a wide net to pull in traffic.

I hope that answers your questions.

tsgeric

just so know, there is a series or OTO's to ge through after purchasing. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I still find it irritating.

jaclay20

How many clones or mini-sites is it suggested to build? Is this in reality an auto blog system?

dwinland

@jaclay20 You need to build a few hundred if you are wanting full-time income.

It is way more than an autoblog system. It is a list building and making money from your list system.

mtucker

Hello, will this system work for our own websites where we can point the traffic from these sites to our niche sites?

novac

Hi dwinland,
tsgeric says that there are upsells; is this how you get "all the software you need"? Or, is it included with the core package?

Sounds pretty good to me, but the above question is a concern....thanks very much.

mtucker

What is the difference between this system and his other system, https://www.automatedtrafficsolutions.com ?

novac

Looks to me like he (they) build a site For you. I'm pretty amazed at the price and if it's for real it's a heck of a deal.

RonHamernik

Hi.
I've gone through the entire course.
For your frame of reference, here's my background. I'm a media buyer and it is my general opinion that SEO, article writing, link building, article spinning, etc etc is a huge waste of time unless it is someone else's time. My way of thinking and general approach to IM is quite different from Bill. My view is that you must measure against your KPI's and improve against your benchmarks.

That being said, I really like Bill's ideas and his background. He scaled out several different projects massively in the corporate world.

This product is deceptively simple. It's very powerful if you grasp how he has simplified dozens of processes into an easy to follow linear system.

It can be scaled massively to your wildest imagination. It's very very smart. But the genius of it is its simplicity. There are several optional ways of implementing his system at a cost. Think of it as upgrades when building a track home. Optional things that would make things much more convenient.

Bill warns against tinkering with it. However, I can't resist. My mind is already spinning with ideas about implementing it in two different settings than list building.

Its waaaaay underpriced. The upsells are different from the core product and completely optional. Both of the upsells are completely underpriced. I bought both and can speak to it from experience. I may not use one or both of the upsells for some time, but I found huge value in them and it was helpful to get this info to incorporate into my businesses in the future.

IMO, the people who will benefit the most from this are those people who have "the drive" and those people who have "the persistence." The people who will benefit the most are those who take MASSIVE action for an extended period of time. Those are the people who will reap the rewards.

I didn't bother checking, but I believe that he has a double your money back guarantee. If you're truly going to go through the program and take action, what's the risk?

In conclusion, even with my background and slant towards media buying, I give this a huge thumbs up. If you're not implementing something like this, you're getting destroyed as a small group of people are putting up 1,000's of sites each week in a white hat, non-spammy, strategic way.

Hope this helps and all the best!

novac

Thanks RonHamernik and all. It's beginning to sound a lot like Keith Baxter's component of the Epic Traffic System.

mtkman

Here is a PM I just sent to someone asking for feedback. I am not sure if it went through since my post count is quite low. So here it is just in case and for everyone still on the fence - I think they will close tonight so you need to decide today.

I have Bills Marketing on the Fringe which is a traffic programm and now bought the NeverFaillistbuilding System. I am in the process of setting up my first blog and then cloning it over the next few days.
So far it all looks very good.
I would recommend you get into the program if you plan on building lists and monetizing them. The great thing is that this system pretty much automates the whole process. And the potential to scale this is big.
It is a little technical at times with the setup, which may slow you down in the beginning, but really not much to worry about. There are videos and a forum where the members help each other and all the questions I had were answered from Hostgator within minutes, so no problem.

You do not need to buy any added software, services or plugins to make this system work. There are upsells, but you do not need them to make the system work either.

I recommend it because I like Bills stuff and know that it works if you put the right amount of action in.

Cheers, hope that helped,

mtkman

novac

mtkman, I couldn't have said it better myself about Never Fail List Building. I was on the fence last night, went for it, and came back here to report. You did it for me!

molsted

Anyone seen results with this in terms of traffic yet? Looks good and I am almost sold on this one but I must be certain that it is something I can easily hand over to an outsource person and see beneftis quickly from it... Anyone got any results to share?

Vincenzo Oliva

Bill included everything you need to succeed with his system. You do NOT need WPRobot. The package actually includes autoposting plugins like "multipress" and "article fetch" as well as the premium plugin "backupbuddy" that enables you to clone your installs. Plus a slew of other cool plugins and nice package of squeeze pages with well written ebooks targeting the internet marketing niche.

Gunedat

hi,

I just want to chime in and give a point of view from a customer.

I bought the NFLB exactly a month ago, and just finished implementing the system in its entirety. I do not have the capital to outsource, so I went and did everything myself. That's why it has taken me this long.

Just to reiterate what some people has stated up there, Bill does provide everything you need to implement his system in this course. The only addition that you would need is a resellers account and autoresponder account. This system is based on Aweber, but you can spend extra time tweaking other autoresponder into the system.

The course is totally taught through video, and you can finish it within a day. However, Bill also holds a weekly webminar, so if you get into problems, you can have him answer it live there, or you can just send a ticket to the support.

The main idea of the system is to have hundreds of sites syndicating content throughout the net, and funneling the traffic to your landing page. Personally, the tools used to syndicate and do the autoblogging is not new to me, but the way they are put together is worth the price of the course. Plus, I would never have come up with the method Bill use to clone sites.

As for upsells, there are a couple, but not crucial for the completion of the course. The upsells are more like complementing the course.

That's it. Honestly, I hope less people would buy NFLS.

tsgeric

I think the view is different if you are already an experienced internet marketer with a cost structure that already includes some basic elements, than if you are on the noobier end of the spectrum.

Most experienced IMers probably already have a reseller account, but if you don't, that's $25 for the most basic one at Hostgator.

Bill highly recommends usage of Budurl, which I see he uses across all his activities, so it is no doubt great for him. That seems to be $8 per month for as longs as you want those links to work.

While the system comes with several content alternatives, whenever he is asked he emphasizes that the rest (except for Wordpress Direct) really aren't that reliable, and he strongly endorses WP Robot, so it seems like you would need that to really make this program successful. ($121 with the right coupon code)

You're going to probably need stuff to giveaway, whether that is PLR/MRR products or something else. Bill uses a great source that costs $37 a month, which is absolutely not required, and also gives some nice package for people to use, but if you want variety, or are looking outside the IM space, chances are sooner or later you'll be paying for material (I guess you could stick with all affiliate freebie stuff), maybe $10 or $20 here and there.

Akismet is now paid, above a certain volume of profit level per blog. I don't know if anybody actually pays, but if you're making the kind of money you could potentially be making with a system like this, you might fall technically fall in the paid category. Just saying. (Actually, would love to hear people's opinions on this? Don't most people on this forum fancy themselves, or want to be, a "business"?).

So, I would say that while none of these things would be a marginal expense for someone who is already doing this kind of stuff anyway, when you look at all the components that are brought together, the cost is not really just contained to hosting.