vpgemini

I am getting quite a few emails about this new system that is out right now called Rank Builder. It looks pretty catchy but wanted to see first if anyone here has any insight to it yet?

Black Hat Cat

I purchased earlier, but it's not recognizing my login info, so I can't access anything. I'm sure it will get sorted out eventually. We'll see how it works out then.

After purchasing though, it seems that Alex was lying about his software. See, on the sales page, he tells you that he contacted a competitor who kept beating him in the rankings, and found out the kid was doing it using this software. So, they team up, and Alex shows you all these rankings he is getting using his software. Then, after you buy, you are taken to an upsell where he tells you he contacted(I assume) this same guy, and the guy tells him he is getting all these rankings by using a secret method that he outsources for $500.00 a month. Then Alex goes on to show you mostly the same examples from page one, and claims this other secret method is how he really gets those rankings.

So, which is it, Alex? Are you getting the rankings using your software, or are you getting them using the "secret" method in the upsell? It can't be both.

Edit

Just to update, I can access it now. Checked it about an hour later, and the login was working fine.

vpgemini

It seems like a similar version to EVO II but it is my understanding that these link wheels it creates is frowned upon by google and doens't work as well as it used too.

marcolav

As he mentions that the name of the kid is Maulana and that he is from Indonesia, this is either a white label or a rebranding of Link Builder Pro, which indeed was renamed to RankBuilder with the last update.

Link Builder PRO - The Best SEO Tool On The Planet! is what it used to be

Marco

vpgemini

So perhaps Link Builder pro fell flat so they are re launching the same turd using a new name? [IMG]http://********************/BB/BN.gif[/IMG]

ITByTheSea

I came here because I too got 200,000 emails about this soft and I thought some Warrior would have some kind of review.

Well, I was right, Black Hat Cat does have something to say about it even though he didn't get to login yet. As long as it is not clear what the real price for the real soft is, I'll stay on the bench thank you.

D Baker

Alex Goad Rank Builder is simply a rebranding they did to Link Builder Pro.

Simple as that.

If you check out the sales page, there is demo video in the middle somewhere... just watch that and wait until you see the software itself. Look at the icon at the top left corner - LBP - Link Builder Pro.

http://dbpmarketing.com/wp-content/u...09-08_0030.png

I personally don't know much about link builder pro but I thought you should know this is the same tool.

lsamarketer

I've heard a lot of good things about LBP, and I don't really care if this is a rebranding. I just want to know if it works. Right now I'm using Article Marketing Automation (AMA) for $47 a month and Linkvana for $147 a month. If this really works, it would do more than both of these for about 1/3 the cost.

vpgemini

Thats true Lsamarketer, you would save quite a bit for usre. What I want to know is do linkwheeling strategies still work after googles "Mayday" update or since caffeine rolled out?

I have heard and obviously I don't believe everything I read, is that google now frowns upon linkwheeling as we used to do it.

trishworks4u

I jumped in as well and am going to give it a shot. What has me a little ticked is that I just found out I only have 1 license (1 computer). Generally it's 2 and I wanted to hand this over to one of my outsourcers to learn and implement. That means I'd have to uninstall my copy.

vpgemini

Trish, I bet if you sent them an email telling them what you are going to do by means of using an outsourcer they might be able to let you do that. It doesn't hurt to ask.

Kysersoze

I already received 2 emails from a couple of well known Warriors who I subscribe to pushing this product and talking about how great it is. Funny they don't mention the fact it is LBP just re-branded. I'm sure they well know it is LBP.

Everyone is so quick to wanna make a buck of you now a days it's getting a little ridiculous!

trishworks4u

...yes, that is basically what I stated when I put my ticket in with them to ask the question. I like the software, plan to learn it but want an outsourcer to learn and implement it for me. ie - can it be installed on 2 computers?

answer was No.

that could be a dealbreaker for me right there because, it may be automated, but I won't be the one doing it.

...interesting review links from others (above). thanks for those.

D Baker

Linkvana is not worth what you are paying for it. I think you should check out Linx Boss... I am pretty sure it will give you much more than what Linkvana gives you for the same price.

Linx Boss :: Fully Automated Linking

Seth Stewart

As far as I can tell, LinkBuilderPRO seems to be "closed for a few months," or so it says at this URL:
Link Builder PRO - The Best SEO Tool On The Planet!

I guess Alex & Maulana didn't want the old dog to possibly compete with the new dog.

I started a thread asking for comparisons between this and SENuke from those who have used both...without knowing this thread already existed. If folks want to answer that here, I'll just 86 the the other thread

Thanks
Seth

Kysersoze

I'm new to SENuke and have watched the videos and all but have been a bit frustrated with it. A lot of failures, sometimes when you submit (especially to videonuke) you really can't tell how to link. Some sites accept BB Code, others HTML, some only hard links and found a few nofollow.

Also seems the sites they use have been cracking down. Not sure if I will renew past the trial period. Wonder if this revamped software might be better as well. Real reviews would be appreciated! Just tired of getting the review with affiliate link via email from people who might not have even used it.

damonclyde

Thank you all for you're comments. I am easily swayed and often jump on this stuff because the sales pitches are sooooo good. I now always come here to check out products first. I also now have a personal policy of never buying a product with an upsell afterwards. If the product is as great as the hyped sales letter says it is. Give it to me straight. If it works as advertised, send me an upsell 1 or 2 weeks later when I will be ecstatic to further my business ties with you. Thank you all for cutting through the hype.

lsamarketer

Thanks for the heads up.

Linkvana is very highly recommended, but I'm begining to wonder if services like it are appropriate for a site as new as mine. I'm finding out now that Google is suspicious of new sites that get high PR backlinks too soon.

I am very happy with AMA so far, although it's too early to see the results, I am getting lots of articles out onto good do-follow blogs.

I will definately check out Linx Boss as well.

lsamarketer

So if you have a PC and a laptop, you can only put it on one or the other?

I don't like that too much.

brendan301

i'm gonna jump in and test it during the trial. if it does half of what they say it can do I'll be pleased. With apps like this, they need testing and constantly updates. if alex is committed to it, i'll go with that. if i'm not happy with it, then i'll go with SEnuke.

Ken Strong

No discussion, reviews of, or links to WSOs in this section.

No affiliate links.

Read the rules:

The Rules For This Section...

Daniel McGonagle

here you go then...


Here’s how the first test went.

1. Profiles Link builder- smooth, fast, flew right through the decaptchas, worked well
2. RSS submissions – worked flawlessly
3. Web 2.0 account creations – only 1 out of 50 account creations failed, pretty good
4. Email verifications- didn’t work
5. Web 2.0 content submissions – didn’t work all failed, perhaps due to not using a catch-all email address
6. Spinner – handles big-time spinning double-nested spinning, works well with the Best Spinner.

Downsides that should be fixed:

Still gotta babysit this tool, same as SE Nuke and push it form one module to the next, no biggie nothing’s perfect

Biggest issue in long run is the user names for account creations are all the same and should be different, randomized, unique etc….

Is it a resource hog that crashes all the time like SE nuke?

Used hardly any resource, didn’t crash once, took 3 hours to do a big run, of account creations (manual) email verifications, profiles linking, RSS submissions, spinning,

Other Notes: Rank builder is basically the new and improved Link Builders Pro, is a JV between Maulana and Alex Goad, so if you read reviews on Link Builders Pro that said it sucked, then realize this is not the old LB Pro!

Seth Stewart

First of all, thanks Daniel, for your input.
For those of you who don't know Daniel, he's got the best damn review site for reviewing all these tools, period. Always clear & unbiased, and very detailed reports on all the IM automation & link-building tools we are interested in. A great companion to Warrior reviews, you should check him out.

The failure on Web 2.0 content submissions and email is especially distressing...pretty important functions, I hope Alex sees this or someone who knows him grabs his ear...these functions have to work or this program will be seriously flawed.

Agree, this username randomization is key. Does SENuke do that?

How are you so sure of that level of improvement, Daniel?
For what it's worth, I never read any LBPro reviews that went as far as to say it "sucked," just that bugs kept popping up (Maulana said, "It's Beta, give it some time") and that it's functions and network were somewhat limited in a head-to-head comparison with SENuke, I'm still trying to find out if that's accurate.
But whatever the answer to that, I'm not seeing any hard proof that Alex has made any significant improvements, just repackaging.

It'd be nice if he would show up here and contribute...

Seth

Black Hat Cat

And apparently they are still popping up, as I had the same problems as Daniel.

Daniel McGonagle

Agree, this username randomization is key. Does SENuke do that?

YES


How are you so sure of that level of improvement, Daniel?
For what it's worth, I never read any LBPro reviews that went as far as to say it "sucked," just that bugs kept popping up (Maulana said, "It's Beta, give it some time") and that it's functions and network were somewhat limited in a head-to-head comparison with SENuke, I'm still trying to find out if that's accurate.
But whatever the answer to that, I'm not seeing any hard proof that Alex has made any significant improvements, just repackaging.

I had LBPro before, and have new version with major add-ons and differences.

IF WF Rules allowed us to point to educational resources outside of their grasp, then more warriors could be pointed towards them, but rules are rules and WF isn't my playground...





It'd be nice if he would show up here and contribute...

Seth[/QUOTE]

rickghouse

This may be a dumb question, but doesn't going from a few backlinks to thousands of backlinks per month raise a huge red flag to Google, and get a website sandboxed?

I'm taking on a customer with an aged website who is scoring poorly. If I get him banned, I will do him a terrible injustice!

Daniel McGonagle

Shouldn't you know this kind of information prior to taking on clients for SEO work?

Answers no... not really,ramp up direct links to the sites over time get more aggressive over time

Practice/implement some tiered linking to build powerful backlinks to your money site(s)

HollandsFinest

As far as I can see the only input from our side, is the original content/seed article.

A seed article that is spinned and imported in the Rank Builder Software. Inside the content are the anchortexts/backlinks to our site.

From that moment everything is automated (when you have a decpatcher service running) or is there more? I read about problems with the email verifications and other bugs, but when everything is working as it should do, the only manual thing I have to do is import an article with spin syntax and backlinks inside the content?

D Baker

You can't get aged established domains "banned" by creating thousands of links all of a sudden... It is a big myth that is simply not true.

If this is was true, than you could easily blast the domain of the competition with thousands of links and get them out of your for top spots. It makes no sense.

It only applies to new domain that are less than 1 year old (more frequent on sites less than 6 months old).

As Daniel mentioned in his reply, I think the bad service you are doing for your client is providing him SEO services without really knowing something as basic as is...

Carty

How many profile links does this software create and does it require a third party de-captcher service or can do it self like SE Nuke?

Regards,
Carty..

trishworks4u

I positively hate purchasing anything that has a monthly fee but, with something like this, I can't see how it would work any other way. I'd think there'd have to be continuity to incentivize the developers to keep up with the constant updates (potential for DAILY) that are required with a system like this.

That's one thing I'd be willing to make an exception to my rule for.

ITByTheSea

What I'd like to confirm is whether it is truly a $67/month working software or whether you need the additional $500 /month soft to really get results.

If it's the second, then as far as I am concerned the discussion is closed.

Jay Rhome

There's SENuke, SERPassist, EVO, now this one. Competition IS good, no doubt. And maybe this Rankbuilder is great. But reading it's a rebranding, and then a $500 a month OTO to "really" get the results??!!??

Shady sales tactics won't get me interested unless they ARE really that much better than the others(and I really doubt it). Sure these guys will make a quick buck at first. But is losing their reputation that worth it if they're in for more than the short term?

A LOT of "gurus" I pretty much trusted before have now gone the route of "we'll promote anything to our list for a quick buck" these days.

HollandsFinest

Is the $ 500 OTO per month an example or is this for real?

brendan301

I'd imagine that those bugs would be fixed in the near future. But it also makes me wonder why the software was released when stuff like that's not working.

brendan301

i just bought it and I didn't see a $500/mo OTO. the only OTO i saw was a one off charge for $77

Jon Shawcross

Yep - i have had the "make sure you clear your cookies because mine is the best bonus" round of emails too. Drives me nuts that they do it so blatantly, but that is a topic for a whole separate debate......

Anyhow - from those that have taken the plunge - how does it compete with SENuke? Does it do everything that the Nuke does and if so, is it better or worse (launch bugs aside?).

I use SENuke and yes, the price is a hefty one, but it makes me more money than it costs so am OK with paying it to a degree, but if there is a better less expensive cousin around, i'm more than interested.

I guess the question isn't so much in the price tag, but in the capabilities. If like so many others, it's a less expensive but inferior model, i'll stick with what i know. Again, that is another question - is the learning curve anything like as steep as SE Nuke or like that product, do you have to fork out for advanced training courses to actually learn how to use it properly?

And the beloved upsell? Is it a requirement to get the full benefits of just a further attempt to extort money from our pockets? I know Black Hat Cat has already mentioned this, but nothing makes me ask for a refund quicker than a product that is sold on these pretenses.

Kysersoze

You need a 3rd party de-captcha service when using the profile Nuke.


My point exactly previously on this thread, I am happy to see I'm not the only one that feels that way!

Black Hat Cat

What $500/month software?

At this point, zero...at least my copy doesn't. It sets up the accounts, but won't validate the emails. So, I validated them myself, and moved on to step 3, but then it wouldn't edit the accounts and add my info to the page, which makes it worthless basically.

ITByTheSea

This $500 /month software.

michaelmac

Hey Carty,

Either manual or a third party captcha service.

Michael

Tymarkinc

I second that

Greg Jacobs

to make it efficient you need a Captcha Service
I paid $1.75 for 1000 Captchas and that seems
to be enough for quite a while

If you are outside the US you should use a US
proxy and that is another few dollars.

Other than that, no other costs are required at all.

Daniel McGonagle

People are getting hung up on the OTO.

Forget the OTO stuff, please

Also, using proxies makes some things fail when used, so best bet is to use proxies first, then don't use proxies for the ones that failed.

Counter-intuitive I know, but the reality here

I personally don't recommend it yet as a solid alternative to SE nuke...not yet anyway. This has a little ways to go first.

Black Hat Cat

Now, read what you quoted again, and ask yourself this question: How many times is the word software written?

The upsell page discusses a technique/strategy for achieving rankings that his mystery guy is/was paying 2 people $500.00 a month to implement. He will let you in on this mystery strategy for an extra $77.00.

Heck, just read it for yourselves, folks:

Special One Time SEO Formula Offer

That's not an affiliate link, that is the upsell page.

Daniel McGonagle

Good point but who cares about the OTO when the main component is faulty?

Black Hat Cat

People in this thread, apparently.

Daniel McGonagle

Roger that!

Not picking at you BH Cat, just saying there's misguided obsessions here...

rickghouse

Am I missing the boat here? Doesn't thousands of new backlinks raise a big red flag with the Googlemonster, and get a site sandboxed?

Daniel McGonagle

Not exactly is dependent upon the sites themselves

Age,existing link history, current velocity etc... but you can bang away at anew site with hordes of links and maintain rankings, too.