Best Introductory MMO Course (without the hype)

14 years ago

I think one of my favorites pieces of software was LPGEN for PPC. My favorite course would have to be the copywriters guild. Learned a lot from them.
Its easy to sniff out bullsh!t products. I do it all the time

Just launching a new product this week. and all the courses, knowlege and information helps every last bit.
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joem07

14 years ago

For the true beginner, and even for someone who has been at it for awhile Ed Dale's The Challenge (Formerly 30 Day Challenge) is a good starting point. The course provides some solid ground to build on.

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Johnny Danes

Banned 14 years ago

Get any book by Ken Evoy..............there all free.

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Chris Munch

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Johnny Danes

Get any book by Ken Evoy..............there all free.

He certainly had some helpful beginner information, I read some when I started out which was very helpful. However, I am not really a fan of the SiteSell software so would not want to encourage people down that route.

The 30 Day Challenge is certainly a good suggestion, but I think it narrows the mind into a more Bum Marketing style strategy (I have not done that challenge but from what I've heard it is that style - although I could be way off here).

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Yes, you are way way off about the Challenge. And Evoy's classic free books, such as Make Your Site Sell, have nothing to do with his software. We're looking for intelligent reviews here. If you don't know anything about a topic, you shouldn't post a comment.

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StacyHolmes 14 years ago

However, I am not really a fan of the SiteSell software so would not want to encourage people down that route.

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but if you are interested in getting people to engage in your survey, then why would you censor SiteSell comments? No offense intended.

Personally, SiteSell has helped me alot too. I get significant traffic and decent income from my SBI site. That's due both because of the SBI course and the platform (software).
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Black Hat Cat

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by ChrisTew

He certainly had some helpful beginner information, I read some when I started out which was very helpful. However, I am not really a fan of the SiteSell software so would not want to encourage people down that route.

The 30 Day Challenge is certainly a good suggestion, but I think it narrows the mind into a more Bum Marketing style strategy (I have not done that challenge but from what I've heard it is that style - although I could be way off here).

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Yes, you are way way off about the Challenge. And Evoy's classic free books, such as Make Your Site Sell, have nothing to do with his software. We're looking for intelligent reviews here. If you don't know anything about a topic, you shouldn't post a comment.

By intelligent review, do you mean reviews that agree with you? Is this a joke, lol? Maybe the mods should just start writing our opinions for us. If MYSS has nothing to do with his software, why is the software promoted throughout the book? Envoy's free books are used for that very reason....to promote SBI. The poster was correct in not wanting to send people down that path.

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StacyHolmes

14 years ago

The problem I see with a lot of newbie courses, is while they can offer useful information, many can lead students into an over-obsession with greyhat linkbuilding. The student just takes it too far and loses sight of the bigger picture of what is involved in building a successful online business.

That is not really the fault of the course, it just seems to be the tendency of where new people to the industry tend to obsess. They obsess about gaming Google, but overlook the important of lots of content, conversions, adding value.

If you are insinuating that this is what SBI does, you're confusing it with something else.

Black Hat Cat -

My observation: I wouldn't be so quick to bust the the mod's chops, since you're not entirely innocent of your own agenda. Your anti-SBI posts are always cutting, usually cynical, but never detail anything except by innuendo.

I beg to differ. There is tremendous value in Ken Evoy's ebooks, including MYSS. As far as promoting SBI, when did that become a crime? Who doesn't promote their product? What about all those sales pages and email campaigns talked about around here? I guess it's okay for everyone else to do it, even if spammers and black hats. But it's not okay for Dr. Evoy?

Yes, he promotes SBI. So?

If you're trying to say SBI doesn't work, then that is untrue and it can be proven. SBI has verifiable proof of success.

If it's not for you, then it's not for you. But it does work.

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Chris Munch 14 years ago

Originally Posted by StacyHolmes

If you are insinuating that this is what SBI does, you're confusing it with something else.

No my comment was not directed at SBI. It was a generalization about what plagues a lot of internet marketing courses.

That comment was not to attack IM courses in general, but rather point out a fact of what happens with people new to the industry, they latch on and obsess over the wrong things, and give way way too much time to things like...
- greyhat link building
- design
- Adsense ad placement

Its not that those things are not important, they are just part of a big mix, and some other aspects are a lot more vital.

I beg to differ. There is tremendous value in Ken Evoy's ebooks, including MYSS. As far as promoting SBI, when did that become a crime?

It is not a crime and I wasn't suggesting as such.

I'm sure like me, if there was a product out there which you didn't think was the best choice for a friend to use, you wouldn't send them down a path that would lead them to use that product. That is all I am saying.

Very few people can agree on the best CMS, promotion software, web building kits etc. Everyone has their own preference. Having tried and reviewed many different ones, I don't think SBI would be the optimal choice for someone starting out and I would not personally recommend it in the majority of circumstances.

That in no way means that SBI does not offer value and doesn't help people, and in some circumstances its probably a good choice, I just think there are better web-design, CMS, market research, stats and promotion options out there which are more effective and cheaper.
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- StacyHolmes 14 years ago
  
  Hi Chris
  
  It is not a crime and I wasn't suggesting as such.
  
  No worries. Those remaining comments weren't directed towards you.
  
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  Actually I do think it's important. Important in that it needs to be avoided. Starting right past white hat, the darker the shade of grey, the more dangerous it is. And when people learn to do this early on and see results from it, it's a bad foundation for their online toolkit.
  
  So we agree there, I believe.
  
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Azlan.MY 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Johnny Danes

Get any book by Ken Evoy..............there all free.

I read Ken's eBooks when first started out a few years and to be honest, it is not helpful at all. Lots of information inside is outdated, and not outlined properly. If you are into SEO, I strongly suggest Commission Ritual.
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- StacyHolmes 14 years ago
  
  Lots of information inside is outdated . . .
  
  You are right. MYSS was updated. It was replaced by Make Your Content Presell. ("MYCP") And while I found MYSS extremely valuable, the data in MYCP is very effective. It is used by the top SBI sites, some of whom get 1,000,000's of visits a month.
  
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Chris Munch

14 years ago

I'm not censoring just offering my point of view, I just personally wouldn't recommend SiteSell to someone new to the industry. When I read Ken Evoys books a number of years ago they did promote SiteSell, and while the info in his books is very good, I wouldn't want to encourage someone to read books that would lead them to use software which I personally would not recommend. Whether the books now still promote SiteSell I don't know.

I had a look at Ed Dale's 30DC (2009) and The Challenge (2010) and it is more in-depth that I first thought, so I take my previous comment back - it was some of the earlier modules that led me to my wrong conclusion. Certainly looks like a good course for someone new to the industry and covers a lot of ground.

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The problem I see with a lot of newbie courses, is while they can offer useful information, many can lead students into an over-obsession with greyhat linkbuilding. The student just takes it too far and loses sight of the bigger picture of what is involved in building a successful online business.

That is not really the fault of the course, it just seems to be the tendency of where new people to the industry tend to obsess. They obsess about gaming Google, but overlook the important of lots of content, conversions, adding value.

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Tina Golden 14 years ago

For brand new people who need a plan to follow and some expert guidance along with it, I recommend Online Business Insiders. It's a monthly membership but very low priced and it outlines 10-12 different business methods. It's recommended to follow one and learn to make money with it before trying new ones.

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ial-price.html

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