Anyone tried "The Profit Platform - Mike Filsame?"

by mmixon 60 replies
Just wondered if anyone has purchased the latest and greatest product from Mike Filsame called The Profit Platform. Is it just another $2,000 guru product? Here is the link, and no, it is not my an affiliate link, it is from Filsames email:
The Franchise Model Secret By Mike Filsaime

Compelling webinar, but I just can't afford to toss out another 2 grand hoping that it will work, only to find out 2 or 3 months later that I have wasted my time.

Any thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author drmurray
    I just listened to the webinar. Very well done. It appeals to a guy like me just starting out: the total package. I'm not going to pull the trigger however. I would also like to hear if anyone is biting on this.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnA
      In a similar position, only already have pulled the trigger for Tristan Bull coaching..
      BTW- what kinda doc are you..?
      i am DMD
      please elt em know how this works for you--- any way to get direct contact..?

      THNX!
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      • Profile picture of the author forrestsmyth
        I too was sufficiently impressed by Mike Filsaime's 'webinar' to purchase the program, and so I'm very interested to hear from anyone who is actually using the Profit Platform, and if they are seeing positive results.

        My main concern with the program is the poor quality and outdated content of the free CD's, as reported by sbeard. While I really appreciate the helpful responses by Mike Ambrosio on this thread, his response to this particular criticism would seem to be an admission that the current 45 products are in fact out-dated. As I was also hoping to drive traffic to the free CD offers from my website, I am concerned that promoting low quality and outdated products would simply not be in my long term best interests.

        The impression that this gives me (rightly or wrongly), is that Mike Filsaime has thrown his considerable resources primarily at the 'system' and the marketing of the Profit Platform, without bothering to ensure that the 'product' itself is of a similarly high standard. To use his analogy, this would be like McDonald's not bothering about the quality of the core product, the burger. (True …some might argue that this is the case

        Secondly, I'm concerned at the absence of any positive testimonials about the product. To be fair Danny Gardner was positive about the support, but I take it from his post that he hasn't really tested the product yet sufficiently to provide a true opinion of the actual profit potential of the program. (I apologise if I have misconstrued your post Danny - and as your post is now almost two months old, I'd love to see an update!)

        I have been hoping that there may have been some more posts from satisfied customers, as at this point I only have Mike Filsaime's sales spiel to go on. If the product is as great as the marketing would have us believe, why does Mike Filsaime not provide some glowing testimonials, and why are there no Warriors providing positive feedback?

        It is not my intention to be negative or put others off trying the Profit Platform - particularly as I haven't evaluated it myself yet, but I am doubtful that 30 days is enough time to give the system a fair trial, so I'm very keen to get some feedback from other internet marketers who have put the Profit Platform through it's paces, so I can make a reasoned and informed decision whether to keep my license or not before the 30 day refund window slams shut.

        So, anyone who has actually USED the Profit Platform care to share their experiences? How are you doing with it Danny Gardner after a couple of months?
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        • Profile picture of the author vcaldwe
          I too thought about partnering to test the other options so that it's not a huge loss if it doesn't work out. I know my time limitations and didn't want to purchase more than one otherwise. Personally I was thinking if one works very well, then why would you need 45. It's very time consuming to go through the process of driving traffic to one site, let alone 5 or 45.

          I too am looking for feedback from people who have actually used this service. It seems like it's been launched several times so there should be some success stories to comment
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  • Profile picture of the author cybernet
    i'd like to hear from people who bought this product.
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    • Profile picture of the author satriavid
      Hi Everyone,

      I actually bought the 5-sites license which cost me like $389 x 6 installments. Quite a steep price for a newbie like myself.

      I got to choose any from 40 products available and I'm able to see and try every product I'm going to sell.

      These products are supposed to be delivered to customer as "free", well, not totally free because the catch is: they have to pay for shipping and handling . I was directed to contact Disk.com, on which I have to pay some price and Disk.com will produce and ship to customer address automatically. Minimum starting stocks is 25 CDs @$1.25 and I have to pay initial setup fee $30 so the total is $61.25.

      Once the customer agree to get the "free" products then this Profit Platform starts getting customer data (email, etc). Then the game starts: customer will be asked whether he/she want to get MDC Monthly Newsletter (Mike's newsletter), and being offered of other Mike's products (upsell and cross sell).

      And the supposedly pretty part is we get profit sharing for every sales. I said "supposedly" because I haven't made a dime with this program, I've joined for about 2 weeks now but I admit I was mostly occupied with other things for the last 10 days :p.

      O yea, so far the customer support has been responsive and helpful. And so far the system delivers what Mike's said, except the "money maker" part .

      I'll put extra work into this and will tell you how's this going. I hope by then I'll be earning some money.

      My test site is: www.tacticalmarketingrecipe.com

      That's IMHO. I hope you guys can give me some feedback too, whether this will actually work according to your experience, while I'm still entitled for 30 days money back guarantee .
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Wiechert
        Originally Posted by satriavid View Post

        Hi Everyone,

        I actually bought the 5-sites license which cost me like $389 x 6 installments. Quite a steep price for a newbie like myself.

        I got to choose any from 40 products available and I'm able to see and try every product I'm going to sell.

        These products are supposed to be delivered to customer as "free", well, not totally free because the catch is: they have to pay for shipping and handling . I was directed to contact Disk.com, on which I have to pay some price and Disk.com will produce and ship to customer address automatically. Minimum starting stocks is 25 CDs @$1.25 and I have to pay initial setup fee $30 so the total is $61.25.

        Once the customer agree to get the "free" products then this Profit Platform starts getting customer data (email, etc). Then the game starts: customer will be asked whether he/she want to get MDC Monthly Newsletter (Mike's newsletter), and being offered of other Mike's products (upsell and cross sell).

        And the supposedly pretty part is we get profit sharing for every sales. I said "supposedly" because I haven't made a dime with this program, I've joined for about 2 weeks now but I admit I was mostly occupied with other things for the last 10 days :p.

        O yea, so far the customer support has been responsive and helpful. And so far the system delivers what Mike's said, except the "money maker" part .

        I'll put extra work into this and will tell you how's this going. I hope by then I'll be earning some money.

        My test site is: www.tacticalmarketingrecipe.com

        That's IMHO. I hope you guys can give me some feedback too, whether this will actually work according to your experience, while I'm still entitled for 30 days money back guarantee .
        Hi satriavid,

        Personally I stayed away from this because of three main reasons:
        1) the price
        2) "cookie-cutting" website that will be used by hundreds of affiliates
        3) the "business model" did not convince me

        It looks like you pay almost $2K for being an affiliate and making Mike more money, but ... what about you ?
        I´m really interested if this will work out for you, so please give us some feedback.
        And good luck !
        Michael
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by Michael Wiechert View Post

          Hi satriavid,

          Personally I stayed away from this because of three main reasons:
          1) the price
          2) "cookie-cutting" website that will be used by hundreds of affiliates
          3) the "business model" did not convince me

          It looks like you pay almost $2K for being an affiliate and making Mike more money, but ... what about you ?
          I´m really interested if this will work out for you, so please give us some feedback.
          And good luck !
          Michael

          As a point of clarification, this is far from being an affiliate program. Let me explain a bit how it works...

          You get 45 pre-made websites/products to choose from to use as the front-end Free Plus Shipping offer. Mike makes $0 on this sale.

          On the order page people are offered the newsletter, which they can remove from cart if they choose BEFORE they buy. But, if they take the newsletter, then when the monthly recurring starts, the net profit per sale to the website owner comes out to about $22.00 and for Mike $7.00 (newsletter license fee). He also takes $2.50 but that is for the actual production of the newsletter,

          The upsells - there are 4 choices. One is a standard PLR package of products. You get to set the price. Mike makes $0 from that - you keep it all.

          The next is a package of Mike's products. The price points are $497 for the Upsell, or $197 for the downsell. Initially, you split the sale with Mike 50-50. However that has now been changed. Mike now takes $0 per sale. You get to keep it all. The only thing is he does not allow the price to be changed.

          The next is an integration with The Upsell Network. Commission splits are based on the product you choose. But Mike gets $0 per sale (although he IS a partner in Upsell Network).

          And the fourth - your own upsell that you add and determine price. Mike gets $0.

          So, the only thing he takes is a license fee. This is not an affiliate program.

          As for the cookie cutter websites... right now, they are the same. However, there are 45 to choose from, so the odds of there being "hundreds" of similar sites are slim. But also, these websites are ALL editable - you can change the text, add your own videos, change the site design - and you can even set up your own products to run through the system.

          Why would you want to? Well, to be able to offer the newsletter for a RECURRING income, and if you CHOOSE, to be able to make additional income utilizing the Call Center (totally optional - you actually have to sign up for it). THAT'S where you make commissions - but so what? They range from $500 to about $1500 per sale.

          Is this system for everyone? Of course not.

          Is some work needed by you? Of course. You need to drive traffic. And to improve your chances of making it work, you should also put your own spin/signature on the websites -or perhaps even add your own bonuses to sweeten the offer.

          Comments like "Refund while you can..." is indicative of someone coming in, setting up a site and expecting miracles. Life is not like that. You make your own miracles. And like any other system, you get out what you put in.

          To me, the advantages of a system like this is that you have back end offers, recurring offers and a membership site set up in mere minutes. But like I said - it's not for everyone.

          Hope this helps...
          Mike

          P.S.For those that don't know me, I am not a customer of this product. I was involved in the development and the continuing improvement of this product for Mike Filsaime. I also handle the technical support that our regular support staff can not handle.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbeard
    I just saw Mikes Promo for this yesterday, I purchased, and now I'm asking for a refund -here's my complaint:

    In the course of picking a product, I downloaded and played the CD contents of six out of the 45 product packages. The content was lightweight but the voiceovers were really bad. Definately not done by a professional voice talent. For example, one opened with several heavy breaths before any words were spoken and then the heavy breathing continued thru out the rest of the segment, another had significant volume variations from section to section, in yet another, the speaker started out by explaining that in the demo he would be using an Adobe product that Adobe quit making in 2005 and that the viewer might be able to find a copy on line.

    I had expected to drive traffic to the free CD offers, for building my list, and of course, to enjoy some of the backend income as well, but from a marketing and branding point of view, I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my name on any of the products I reviewed.

    So, I've asked for a refund.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by sbeard View Post

      I just saw Mikes Promo for this yesterday, I purchased, and now I'm asking for a refund -here's my complaint:

      In the course of picking a product, I downloaded and played the CD contents of six out of the 45 product packages. The content was lightweight but the voiceovers were really bad. Definately not done by a professional voice talent. For example, one opened with several heavy breaths before any words were spoken and then the heavy breathing continued thru out the rest of the segment, another had significant volume variations from section to section, in yet another, the speaker started out by explaining that in the demo he would be using an Adobe product that Adobe quit making in 2005 and that the viewer might be able to find a copy on line.

      I had expected to drive traffic to the free CD offers, for building my list, and of course, to enjoy some of the backend income as well, but from a marketing and branding point of view, I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my name on any of the products I reviewed.

      So, I've asked for a refund.

      Hi Steve,

      This is extremely helpful feedback, thank you!

      I had planned on talking to Mike about adding some newer products as well. The idea for this project is to add more product options as we move forward. From where we sit, 45 is the beginning. I believe seeing your reason for refunding will help speed up that process

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    • Profile picture of the author gforces
      Originally Posted by sbeard View Post

      I just saw Mikes Promo for this yesterday, I purchased, and now I'm asking for a refund -here's my complaint:

      In the course of picking a product, I downloaded and played the CD contents of six out of the 45 product packages. The content was lightweight but the voiceovers were really bad. Definately not done by a professional voice talent. For example, one opened with several heavy breaths before any words were spoken and then the heavy breathing continued thru out the rest of the segment, another had significant volume variations from section to section, in yet another, the speaker started out by explaining that in the demo he would be using an Adobe product that Adobe quit making in 2005 and that the viewer might be able to find a copy on line.

      I had expected to drive traffic to the free CD offers, for building my list, and of course, to enjoy some of the backend income as well, but from a marketing and branding point of view, I wouldn't feel comfortable putting my name on any of the products I reviewed.

      So, I've asked for a refund.
      Same here... asked for a refund but they are taking their time about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author rr1455
        I to, just watched the webinar... the webinar is really well done...
        I also would like to hear from more people that have had the system and making money with it.... it sounds like it need more development work?????
        When will it be really ready so a person can develop a couple of sites and make some $$$ within the week???
        I have a couple of site that get 2,000 people per day and would like to put links on and buy the system, but I first need to hear some reports about people that are making money for this system....
        If you have purchased the system and making $$$$ please let me know....
        Thanks and I hope Mike F. make the CD's better....

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Michael Gentry View Post

      This is bad. I purchased this. You are indeed paying $1997 to be an affiliate for Mike F. and even worse the payouts are bad. First off if you charge 9.95 for shipping which I think is too much $1.25 for each cd, $30 setup fee, $4.95 shipping to US, Canada, $7.95 oversees and $4.37 for each "complementary" newsletter. So your basically losing money right off the bat. If someone orders the digital version of newsletter only at $19.95 you keep only $5 (a little over 20%) Free affiliates make more then that. You keep about $23.00 of the $29.95 if someone orders the print version but remember you have too pay for there free newsletter at $4.37. There is sure too be a lot of cancellations. As for the upsells there are 2. The PLR package sells for $97. I sold similar PLR packages for $17 and had to stop because of bad conversions. So this PLR version wont sell. The other upsell is old. Didn't even acknowledge purchase of the cd. As for the call center I don't know. There is no way to monitor this. The 45 sites are good affiliate tools but I don't see how you are not paying to be a low paid affiliate.

      Michael,

      Your assessment is not completely correct.

      First, you are not losing money right off the bat if your initial S&H price is set to around $10.00. For one thing, you are not charged $4.95 and then another $4.37 to ship the newsletter. On the FIRST order, you are charged $4.95 to send the customer both the CD and the complimentary newsletter. The $4.37 is what you are charged to send FURTHER newsletters. Your customer pays $5.95 shipping for the FURTHER newsletters (along with the $29.95). You also pay $2.50 to PRODUCE the newsletter and a $7.00 License fee. SO, add that all up:

      $4.37 + 2.50 + 7.00 = $13.87 (remember - this is for the recurring newsletter - NOT the first order).

      Your customer pays $29.95 per month plus $5.95 S&H = $35.90

      Subtract $13.87 from the $35.90 leaves you with $22.03 profit per customer per month.

      The digital version - you don't MAKE $5.00. You pay a License Fee of $5.00 and you KEEP $14.95 per customer per month. So no... free affiliates DON'T make more

      The $97 upsell - you can set that wherever you want. Sell it for $17.00. You have that flexibility (and Mike does NOT take any percentage for this).

      The second set of upsells - old is relative. The info and what is offered is still a very good value. And you keep 100% of the $497 upsell or $197 downsell (Mike does NOT take any percentage for this).

      The third Upsell is an integration with Upsell Network, so you split commissions with the product owner.

      And of course, you can add your very own upsell (Mike does NOT take any percentage for this).

      As I stated earlier in the thread - the only part of this system where you are an affiliate is the Call Center. And you STILL can make a lot of money without having to do anything.

      So let's review:

      If you set your initial S&H price to, say, $10.00 and someone in the US purchases, you will profit: $3.80 ($4.95 + $1.25 - $10.00) If someone overseas purchases, you STILL profit $0.80.

      But let's understand what this is. That first offer for the CD is what's called a "Loss Leader". You really aren't (and shouldn't) try to make your profit here. The profit comes with:

      - Upsells
      - Downsells
      - Recurring Newsletter
      - Call Center

      Michael - you are certainly entitled to give your review (that's what this section is for). But please make the review accurate

      Thanks,
      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author Mystery777
        First off, let me say: MikeAmbrosio has been very helpful to me with regards to getting this thing setup and launched.

        Ok, I bought into the biz model because it makes sense. I was a lil hesitant first with regards to things like: hosting on Mike Filsaime's servers instead of mine and a coupla other lil facts, but made the decision to give it a try and bought the unlimited license version.

        Ok, everything looked perfect so far except when I gave it a test drive:

        1- To be honest, I was expecting better conversion rates for the free cd site. I was sending traffic to a related product that has good conversions, and decided to switch it to the new Free CD site to test it out. Same related traffic source.

        Conversion sucks. This is the first thing... and my issue isn't targeted or non targeted traffic. Landing page needs a lot of work to reach average conversion rates.

        I believed M.Filsaime when he said that these sites have excellent conversion and the free cd bait video is top notch. Now, I don't even know how good the conversion rates are for the other upsells.

        2- Secondly, I just discovered that the Free CD isn't shipped out automatically... you need to contact the disk company and give them details on EVERY ORDER, in order for it to be shipped to the respective customer!

        To be honest, this is ridiculous. Was there really nothing to do to automate this?? I was trying to deal with the conversion issue when I encountered this new issue.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
          Originally Posted by Mystery777 View Post

          First off, let me say: MikeAmbrosio has been very helpful to me with regards to getting this thing setup and launched.

          Ok, I bought into the biz model because it makes sense. I was a lil hesitant first with regards to things like: hosting on Mike Filsaime's servers instead of mine and a coupla other lil facts, but made the decision to give it a try and bought the unlimited license version.

          Ok, everything looked perfect so far except when I gave it a test drive:

          1- To be honest, I was expecting better conversion rates for the free cd site. I was sending traffic to a related product that has good conversions, and decided to switch it to the new Free CD site to test it out. Same related traffic source.

          Conversion sucks. This is the first thing... and my issue isn't targeted or non targeted traffic. Landing page needs a lot of work to reach average conversion rates.

          I believed M.Filsaime when he said that these sites have excellent conversion and the free cd bait video is top notch. Now, I don't even know how good the conversion rates are for the other upsells.

          2- Secondly, I just discovered that the Free CD isn't shipped out automatically... you need to contact the disk company and give them details on EVERY ORDER, in order for it to be shipped to the respective customer!

          To be honest, this is ridiculous. Was there really nothing to do to automate this?? I was trying to deal with the conversion issue when I encountered this new issue.
          Hi Mystery,

          First, glad to be of help

          Ok, I will have to agree on the landing pages needing work. We are, in fact, addressing that. We have hired a copy writer (right here off the Warrior Forum in fact) who is in the process of writing better - and related - copy for each individual product. So far, 22 of the 45 are back. I need to update the pages and set up for a system update. I believe that will help conversion immensely. So in the next couple of weeks we will update.

          I am not sure what makes you think that the CDs are not shipped automatically. They in fact are. You don't need to send in orders to Disk - it's done automatically. All PNP members orders are tracked so we know who sold what disk, so we send the right ones to your customers.

          We tried to make this as "hands-free" as possible, but we also understand that there's always room for improvement. Right from this forum there was a comment on the quality of the front end products. We discussed this in a meeting and we are now in the process of getting more products, better quality, even software products. It's going to take some time, but this is not a "here ya go - that's all you get..." kind of system. We're anticipating another good handful of new products to be added (I can't give a number because that wasn't discussed, but it will be a good amount).

          I am always open to comments, suggestions and any kind of feedback to help make this a better system. We have already added features suggested by members, so the more we get, the better

          Please let me know if you have any questions at all.

          Mike
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          • Profile picture of the author Mystery777
            Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

            Hi Mystery,

            First, glad to be of help

            Ok, I will have to agree on the landing pages needing work. We are, in fact, addressing that. We have hired a copy writer (right here off the Warrior Forum in fact) who is in the process of writing better - and related - copy for each individual product. So far, 22 of the 45 are back. I need to update the pages and set up for a system update. I believe that will help conversion immensely. So in the next couple of weeks we will update.
            I am glad it is being addressed. Awaiting the updates.

            I am not sure what makes you think that the CDs are not shipped automatically. They in fact are. You don't need to send in orders to Disk - it's done automatically. All PNP members orders are tracked so we know who sold what disk, so we send the right ones to your customers.
            Ok, here is the thing: we've done a test purchase and my partner who ordered the CD, has been redirected to all the right pages after hitting the order button.. so we assumed the system was fool-proof and working.

            Until we discovered that upto this day (over two weeks) he hasn't received his free CD in mail. He lives in Florida U.S. btw.

            I opened a support ticket and Jim told me the following:

            "in order for the disc to be delivered,
            you have to send the order/shipping info of that customer
            to *partner at disk.com - name blocked*
            at hername@disk.com in order for her to send it to
            the fullfillment department at disk.com

            Also,when emailing her, please Specifiy what product CD
            you will be needing to have them send out to your customer
            "

            Ok, the mere thought of me having to go through this for every order started to drive me crazy.. so I wanted to make sure first.. I asked Jim again: Will I have to be doing this for every order??

            His reply: "You will do this for each sale made. at the end of each day for sales made,simply send the info to them to send out the discs.

            Attached is a spread sheet to use
            "

            And he attached a spread sheet to fill in the info of my customers.

            Any clarification?

            Thanks.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
              Originally Posted by Mystery777 View Post

              I am glad it is being addressed. Awaiting the updates.

              Ok, here is the thing: we've done a test purchase and my partner who ordered the CD, has been redirected to all the right pages after hitting the order button.. so we assumed the system was fool-proof and working.

              Until we discovered that upto this day (over two weeks) he hasn't received his free CD in mail. He lives in Florida U.S. btw.

              I opened a support ticket and Jim told me the following:

              "in order for the disc to be delivered,
              you have to send the order/shipping info of that customer
              to *partner at disk.com - name blocked*
              at hername@disk.com in order for her to send it to
              the fullfillment department at disk.com

              Also,when emailing her, please Specifiy what product CD
              you will be needing to have them send out to your customer
              "

              Ok, the mere thought of me having to go through this for every order started to drive me crazy.. so I wanted to make sure first.. I asked Jim again: Will I have to be doing this for every order??

              His reply: "You will do this for each sale made. at the end of each day for sales made,simply send the info to them to send out the discs.

              Attached is a spread sheet to use
              "

              And he attached a spread sheet to fill in the info of my customers.

              Any clarification?

              Thanks.

              That is not the right information . I will address this with Support.

              The whole reason why we have you keep a stock of 25 minimum at Disk is so we CAN automate the process. To be clear - the orders are sent to Disk behind the scenes automatically - you do NOT have to submit the orders.

              I am not sure why there was no delivery, unless when you did the test purchases you set the price to a dollar or less. We have the system set up so you can test the process without getting shipped a product if you set the S&H price to under a dollar.

              If you want, you can PM me the customer info and I can see what the issue is.

              Thanks,
              Mike
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              • Profile picture of the author Mystery777
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                I am not sure why there was no delivery, unless when you did the test purchases you set the price to a dollar or less. We have the system set up so you can test the process without getting shipped a product if you set the S&H price to under a dollar.
                No. I believe the price for shipping was set to $7 or something.. either $7 or the default one $10.
                If you want, you can PM me the customer info and I can see what the issue is.

                Thanks,
                Mike
                I'll send you the info. Thanks again Mike.
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Gentry
                Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                That is not the right information . I will address this with Support.

                The whole reason why we have you keep a stock of 25 minimum at Disk is so we CAN automate the process. To be clear - the orders are sent to Disk behind the scenes automatically - you do NOT have to submit the orders.

                I am not sure why there was no delivery, unless when you did the test purchases you set the price to a dollar or less. We have the system set up so you can test the process without getting shipped a product if you set the S&H price to under a dollar.

                If you want, you can PM me the customer info and I can see what the issue is.

                Thanks,
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                Hi Mike, in the advanced menu under system emails for each domain it shows:

                Send email to your shipping company?

                Shipping company email address

                Company email that ask for delivery

                Does this have to be filled out? Could that be the problem? If so we would need the details.
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                  Originally Posted by Michael Gentry View Post

                  Hi Mike, in the advanced menu under system emails for each domain it shows:

                  Send email to your shipping company?

                  Shipping company email address

                  Company email that ask for delivery

                  Does this have to be filled out? Could that be the problem? If so we would need the details.
                  Hi Michael,

                  No, that section was how the fulfillment was originally handled (before launching), but now it's all done automatically.

                  In fact, thanks for the reminder...I will have that area removed to avoid confusion.

                  Mike
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                  • Profile picture of the author candyeagle
                    It seems that this thread has turned into a place for people to get support from Mike Ambrosio which says to me that this product is way over-priced as there are so many problems.

                    Maybe M. Filsaime could have stated that he's testing this program out for our feedback for no cost to us until the gliches are fixed. Then he can go into his regular pricing when it's running smoothly and profitably even for a newbie.

                    Just a suggestion.
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                    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
                      Originally Posted by candyeagle View Post

                      Maybe M. Filsaime could have stated that he's testing this program out for our feedback for no cost to us until the gliches are fixed. Then he can go into his regular pricing when it's running smoothly and profitably even for a newbie.
                      Most of Mikes products have issues like these at the start.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
                      Originally Posted by candyeagle View Post

                      It seems that this thread has turned into a place for people to get support from Mike Ambrosio which says to me that this product is way over-priced as there are so many problems.

                      Maybe M. Filsaime could have stated that he's testing this program out for our feedback for no cost to us until the gliches are fixed. Then he can go into his regular pricing when it's running smoothly and profitably even for a newbie.

                      Just a suggestion.
                      Like any complex system it indeed has hiccups from time to time.

                      However, the fact is here on this forum we only read what goes wrong. The fact is that there are very few issues considering how many users we now have in the system, running issue free AND making money.

                      Also like any system, there's room for improvement. All of us listen to the clients of this system very closely. We have added features based on suggestions, are adding more products based on feedback, and much more.

                      It's fine to write and read about issues. But you only get part of the story. The bulk of our users are very happy. And as we all know, most people who review on a forum tend to be the unhappy ones (unfortunately).

                      And if this forum allows some users to get word to me about an issue, I really don't mind. I am always happy to be of service

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                      • Profile picture of the author Janet Matthews
                        Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio View Post

                        Like any complex system it indeed has hiccups from time to time.

                        However, the fact is here on this forum we only read what goes wrong. The fact is that there are very few issues considering how many users we now have in the system, running issue free AND making money.


                        Mike
                        Thanks for all the effort you are putting in here Mike. Your responses so far have answered many of the questions I have after watching the presentation.

                        However, as you have stated that all we ever read here on the forum is what has gone wrong, I wonder if it would be possible for you to post (or ask other users to post) examples of good reviews and an idea of how "average Joe" has found this system and the success they maybe having to date. This is presumably why this thread was started.

                        Many thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    One thing people seem to be missing and it's a biggie and worth it's weight in gold...

    Mike get's the names, addresses, phone numbers and emails of YOUR paying clients.

    Has Mike agreed to never contact? Has Mike agreed to always give you *atleast* 50% of every dime he will make from them?

    Mike is sharp.

    He is getting people two pay him 2k + percents to be a whole seller and give them their buyers.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      One thing people seem to be missing and it's a biggie and worth it's weight in gold...

      Mike get's the names, addresses, phone numbers and emails of YOUR paying clients.

      Has Mike agreed to never contact? Has Mike agreed to always give you *atleast* 50% of every dime he will make from them?

      Mike is sharp.

      He is getting people two pay him 2k + percents to be a whole seller and give them their buyers.

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      Garrie,

      To answer your questions, which have been addressed in multiple threads, the collection of names, addresses, etc. are 100% voluntary. The PNP clients need to activate this feature, sign and fax an agreement and w-9. If this is not done, Mike gets NO information. All of the customer information belongs to the PNP clients.

      Mike does NOT email or mail or call ANY customer unless the agreement is signed and this option is activated.

      Mike pays a percentage of every sale made to these customers. All sales are tracked to the PNP client.

      It would be better that if you want to state your "facts" of Mike or this program that you would actually participate in the program. You can not make statements you don't have first hand knowledge of.

      Mike does NOT keep customer information unless agreed to by the PNP clients.

      Is that clear enough for everyone?

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  • Profile picture of the author SageSound
    Originally Posted by mmixon View Post

    Just wondered if anyone has purchased the latest and greatest product from Mike Filsame called The Profit Platform. Is it just another $2,000 guru product?
    . . .
    Any thoughts?
    Yes, it's "just another $2000 guru product". And 97% of the buyers won't get any value from it at all. That's just how people are.

    When are people going to learn that, all hype aside, NONE of these programs are like freeze-dried money! Just add water, stir, and viola! You've got $1000 in fresh Franklins in your account!

    Just because people have purchased a package doesn't mean squat, except that the vendor has made some instant cash.

    The proof is in the pudding, which will take a month or two before anybody really knows.

    I have a friend who bought it, and he's complaining about some hidden costs and having to jump through hoops that aren't discussed in the presentation.

    The way it's structured, if everybody who bought into it sets up only one site, sends out just a tiny handful of free CDs, and then requests a refund, Mike will STILL make a HUGE PROFIT!

    This system is creating multiple recurring revenue streams for Mike, and getting HIM and HIS PRODUCTS a TON of FREE publicity. And people are paying HIM for the privilege of promoting HIS STUFF.

    Hopefully you'll make a little something in the process.

    The guy is BRILLIANT!
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by SageSound View Post

      Yes, it's "just another $2000 guru product". And 97% of the buyers won't get any value from it at all. That's just how people are.

      When are people going to learn that, all hype aside, NONE of these programs are like freeze-dried money! Just add water, stir, and viola! You've got $1000 in fresh Franklins in your account!

      Just because people have purchased a package doesn't mean squat, except that the vendor has made some instant cash.

      The proof is in the pudding, which will take a month or two before anybody really knows.

      I have a friend who bought it, and he's complaining about some hidden costs and having to jump through hoops that aren't discussed in the presentation.

      The way it's structured, if everybody who bought into it sets up only one site, sends out just a tiny handful of free CDs, and then requests a refund, Mike will STILL make a HUGE PROFIT!

      This system is creating multiple recurring revenue streams for Mike, and getting HIM and HIS PRODUCTS a TON of FREE publicity. And people are paying HIM for the privilege of promoting HIS STUFF.

      Hopefully you'll make a little something in the process.

      The guy is BRILLIANT!
      Actually, it creates just ONE recurring revenue stream for Mike. The $7.00 per newsletter that is sold. The license fee. As stated several times, Mike no longer takes ANY PART of ANY of the upsells.

      The call center is independent of PNP and must be activated to participate. Mike makes money from this too, but it's hardly a recurring revenue stream

      Hope this clears things a bit.

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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Mike,

    To answer your questions, which have been addressed in multiple threads,
    People are suppose to go around to muliple threads to get the details? I think not. I would have read a sales letter but...

    Mike does NOT keep customer information unless agreed to by the PNP clients.
    Even if someone takes the magazine upsell? Or do you not consider that as getting details?

    It would be better that if you want to state your "facts" of Mike or this program that you would actually participate in the program. You can not make statements you don't have first hand knowledge of.
    Tish Tosh. I did state facts.

    Mike DOES get the details. If they are in his system, he get's them. He just doesn't use them without permission. Which is what I asked. A question mark means just that... a question.

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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Ah, Garrie,

      You're threading needles.

      I have read responses from you in the past admonishing people for not reading related threads or searching for answers before posting. Can't have it both ways.

      Of course addresses are needed to mail CDs and newsletters. I believe anyone can figure that out by the simple fact that there is a physical product being mailed. The leads do not get sent to the call center and are not used for any other purpose unless (as described above).

      There's a difference between receiving details so a product can be mailed and to market to. PNP does not market to them unless agreed upon by a 2 or 3 step process. It can't be "accidental". Mike made sure of that, in fact.

      Your questions come across to make people believe that they are giving away all their leads to Mike to do with what he pleases. I have been around this forum too long and have read enough of your posts to see where you just MAY be coming from If I am wrong, I apologize.

      And... what does "tish tosh" mean?

      Mike

      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      Mike,

      People are suppose to go around to muliple threads to get the details? I think not. I would have read a sales letter but...

      Even if someone takes the magazine upsell? Or do you not consider that as getting details?

      Tish Tosh. I did state facts.

      Mike DOES get the details. If they are in his system, he get's them. He just doesn't use them without permission. Which is what I asked. A question mark means just that... a question.

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      • Profile picture of the author Osahon Urubusi
        I took a look at the product, paid $2000 for the 45 sites cos I thot it sounded good and it was Mike Filsaime afterall. Unfortunately it didn't meet my expectation, now I'm still waiting for a refund over a month after canceling. Sent a reminder to support and no one bothered to respond.

        Filsaime may be a good guy and I respect his work, but I'm not impressed with the support I have personally experienced.

        I'm still waiting for my refund.
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  • Profile picture of the author mmixon
    I too looked at the product a couple of months ago, but was turned off by 4 things:
    1. the price was too high
    2. too much of the control and the success of the system was in the hands of someone else. If I was going to pay 2 grand for a product, I would want full control - not depending on anyone else for my success.
    3. didn't like the fact that my customer names, email addresses, etc, went to someone else for harvesting, if they wanted to.
    4. Was hosting with Mike also? I can't remember, but if that was the case, one more reason. The info would not be my own.

    Overall, I just wasn't comfortable with the process. It looked like it would work, but there was just something that didn't sit well with me.

    I am not throwing out accusations at Mike Filsame, so don't get me wrong. This is, I think, a product that was developed by someone else for Mike Filsame, and he endorsed and promotes it. It has far too many bugs and problems to be considered a polished product like Mike usually puts out.

    But nevertheless, it is just another example of a product that was put out by a "guru" that makes money for them, but not much money for anyone else. It will sell because it has his name on it, but based on the comments in this thread anyway, it either is not working or not working well. And I am sure this is not what Mike would have wanted, because no one wants to have their name tied to a bad product, but that looks like what has happened.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Just to clear up a couple of things real quick.

      1. Price is relative, so there's nothing for me to say there

      2. There are many tools that you yourself probably use that are not in your full control - such as an autoresponder service, Clickbank, Paypal, Infusionsoft...quite a few things actually. This is simply another tool. You have more control then you think.

      3. Well, we can say the same for: Autoresponder services, Clickbank, Paypal, Infusionsoft, etc. - no? For Mike to simply "harvest" YOUR customer info would be the kiss of death for him in this business. He's too smart for that, but you have to be comfortable...

      4. What difference does it make where it's hosted? You still get CPanel access, just like a regular host.

      This was not developed by someone else that Mike is promoting. I have stated on several responses that I myself have been involved with the development and work with the programming team daily on this. Just clarifying that for you and so others don't get the wrong information...

      Also as I have stated - there are no more "problems" with this system then one might find in any complex system - including: Autoresponder services, Clickbank, Paypal Infusionsoft, etc. Show me a system that is 100% bugless and I will show you something that is only on paper and not developed yet

      In any event, at the end of the day if it's not for you, then it's not for you.

      Mike

      Originally Posted by mmixon View Post

      I too looked at the product a couple of months ago, but was turned off by 4 things:
      1. the price was too high
      2. too much of the control and the success of the system was in the hands of someone else. If I was going to pay 2 grand for a product, I would want full control - not depending on anyone else for my success.
      3. didn't like the fact that my customer names, email addresses, etc, went to someone else for harvesting, if they wanted to.
      4. Was hosting with Mike also? I can't remember, but if that was the case, one more reason. The info would not be my own.

      Overall, I just wasn't comfortable with the process. It looked like it would work, but there was just something that didn't sit well with me.

      I am not throwing out accusations at Mike Filsame, so don't get me wrong. This is, I think, a product that was developed by someone else for Mike Filsame, and he endorsed and promotes it. It has far too many bugs and problems to be considered a polished product like Mike usually puts out.

      But nevertheless, it is just another example of a product that was put out by a "guru" that makes money for them, but not much money for anyone else. It will sell because it has his name on it, but based on the comments in this thread anyway, it either is not working or not working well. And I am sure this is not what Mike would have wanted, because no one wants to have their name tied to a bad product, but that looks like what has happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author zirkamer
    I liked the webinar presentation.The Profit Platform looks great. Cuts out most of the actual boring time consuming busy work of setting up the process. The price point is way to high however. 2000$ will go along way in doing this myself.

    I had some of the same basic questions as stated above.

    I would expect that price for a full blown marketing plan/course like Mikes Butterfly Marketing package, however when Mike stands to potentially make a fortune from the partnership and ones marketing efforts, it should be a lot less.

    The price flies right in the face of the whole concept of giving something free per the Quadratic Formula and falls way short of the success of the Mcdonalds or Subway franchise systems which are in the billions, unless you own only one then it is just a 60 hour full time JOB.

    He will certainly weed out a lot of potential with the high price. Mike should put the whole package on disc and send it out free if it is that powerful. Lets see, Mike sends free disk, someone uses system to get 1000 customers to the newsletter and more. Mike makes 7000 dollars. Win/Win yes?

    And how about revoking the licenses after a certain period of time if someone does not drive profits into or use the system.

    After reading this thread I am disappointed, I hoped to see some replies from successful users of this product with money made and in hand...too bad. -Z
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Some very good comments here.

      I can give you two good reasons why it won't be given away like you suggest...

      1) At this price point it prevents the very over-saturation that others voiced an opinion about.

      2) It weeds out tire-kickers from action takers. It does no one any good too dump 30,000 freebie users into a system like this only have like 95% do nothing with it. That is a drain on resources with a system like this one.

      As has been stated - this is certainly not for everyone, that's for sure

      Mike

      Edit: Although this has officially launched only 2 months ago, we do have members making money with it. But it's up to them to come here and say so.

      Originally Posted by zirkamer View Post

      I liked the webinar presentation.The Profit Platform looks great. Cuts out most of the actual boring time consuming busy work of setting up the process. The price point is way to high however. 2000$ will go along way in doing this myself.

      I had some of the same basic questions as stated above.

      I would expect that price for a full blown marketing plan/course like Mikes Butterfly Marketing package, however when Mike stands to potentially make a fortune from the partnership and ones marketing efforts, it should be a lot less.

      The price flies right in the face of the whole concept of giving something free per the Quadratic Formula and falls way short of the success of the Mcdonalds or Subway franchise systems which are in the billions, unless you own only one then it is just a 60 hour full time JOB.

      He will certainly weed out a lot of potential with the high price. Mike should put the whole package on disc and send it out free if it is that powerful. Lets see, Mike sends free disk, someone uses system to get 1000 customers to the newsletter and more. Mike makes 7000 dollars. Win/Win yes?

      And how about revoking the licenses after a certain period of time if someone does not drive profits into or use the system.

      After reading this thread I am disappointed, I hoped to see some replies from successful users of this product with money made and in hand...too bad. -Z
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Gardner
    Tsk tsk. A lot of negativity in product reviews nowdays. At least be positive in a complaint.

    Seriously though, I purchased the 5 site license and couldn't be any happier. My results have been proportionate to my action (I'm a bit scattered at the moment, which is my fault), the support has always exceeded my expectations (I have a job using the exact same support system, so I know what it takes to overdeliver, oh and I was sometimes answered within the hour), and there are a number of bonuses well worth looking into.

    Just wanted to throw that out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author CapitalBCS
    Hello All.
    Just watched the webinar earlier today to see what everyone was talking about. It is very well done and convincing -- building up the urge to buy at the end. From all the comments I can see this product is not for everyone, but I do think it could very well for others. You just have to clearly understand which group you "should be" a part of. There were a couple things I did not see answered/addressed in the presentation or on the purchase site (or the site's FAQ section). I wanted to see a list of the 45 site options. I would usually not make a purchase based on showing 5 or 6 of the sites and then saying there is 40 others too -- only to find out what they are after you purchase. And second, the webinar said that you "own" the sites and can do whatever you want with them.....sell them (for a transfer fee), etc. I wonder if anyone interested has considered teaming up with others to spread out the purchase price, but then each of the investors could still have their own site to manage/profit from? Last, I too would really like to see actual results of some of the purchasers to see how they are doing after 1,2, or whatever months in the program; but as Mike said, that is up to them to come here and comment. Just my thoughts after watching the webinar today. I don't have enough information to actually make a purchasing decision, but will continue to read Warrior posts to see what surfaces over the coming week(s).
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    • Profile picture of the author Janet Matthews
      Originally Posted by CapitalBCS View Post

      Hello All.
      I wonder if anyone interested has considered teaming up with others to spread out the purchase price, but then each of the investors could still have their own site to manage/profit from?
      Richard
      Great minds think alike Richard. That had occurred to me also but wasn't sure how that would work. It would also be helpful if the people teaming up to purchase the license (if it were possible) could also work as a team to get it up and running. Just a thought!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Osahon Urubusi
    I think the setup isn't too bad. Only reason I didn't continue with it is the corporate paypal account setup thingy, which I can't do from my country.

    The pricing @ $2k for 45 sites hosted for life, didn't seem too bad IMHO. + there is quite a bit of training material available within the platform which on their own taken all together could easily match the product price.

    By the way, I finally got my refund. Someone didn't do their job the first time round.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeAmbrosio
      Originally Posted by Salathiel View Post

      I think the setup isn't too bad. Only reason I didn't continue with it is the corporate paypal account setup thingy, which I can't do from my country.

      The pricing @ $2k for 45 sites hosted for life, didn't seem too bad IMHO. + there is quite a bit of training material available within the platform which on their own taken all together could easily match the product price.

      By the way, I finally got my refund. Someone didn't do their job the first time round.

      This is a good point...

      If you are from a country that does not allow you to accept money or to set up a business account this will not work for you. This system uses only Paypal so we are pretty much bound by that.

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  • Profile picture of the author maartin
    I watched the "webinar" last night and must say I was on the verge of buying the whole enchilada. I'm glad I did not. I haven't seen any raving review or testimonial of anyone who made lots of money with this system.

    Thanks heavens for the Warrior Forum!
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  • Profile picture of the author onpoint
    okay, just launched again and Mike is using the old scarcity marketing trick. When will the gurus stop using that old todays price only? Like time share salesman, does anyone really fall for that? I want to launch a product someday and do the opposite. Not dising the program and like the idea of it. Anyone do anygood with this so far...been around a while now. Are the ones that are doing good being quite so not so much comp?
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    Hey Mike, can I be an affiliate and promote this?
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    I guess this is bogus, lot's of typo's on sales page....standard for Mike F. That's funny!
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  • Profile picture of the author WAL08
    I was literally getting ready to purchase this until I read the this thread. I came here partially knowing I would find positive reviews, I have not seen any

    The fear of loss almost worked for me, but I see he's been pushing this for over a year now, I don't like trickery.. but I guess marketing is all about manipulating the buying process..

    I was also wondering how dated this information was, but based on people who have purchased it seems to be low quality info.

    He does have a new option $389 for 3 months w/ 6 licensed sites.

    I give Mike an A+ for his marketing and A+ for the presentation, however I don't think the quality of the content is worth the amount he is asking, based on other peoples reviews. I will be backing out of this one.

    In theory I think the system is also great.

    I did find the webinar to be of value though, his formula is one that works as I see a lot of the Gurus use similar formulas so obviously there is something there, but the question is will this system work for you? I feel that if you are going to be sending a lot of traffic to this to make it work, you might as well as send a lot of traffic to your own product, of which you're in control of.
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  • Profile picture of the author ollarbank
    I purchased Mike's franchise model... several months ago.

    Took me a while to get to grips with it.

    Not all the products are great but I'm concentrating on the better CD'S and they do offer value as a front end product... for list building. Then a variety of backend products I have bring me profit from the list.

    The continuity program is working for me. I get regular subscribers that fund my marketing costs.

    The software and system is cool... it would be very expensive to create alone. So I'm delighted with it as a tool.

    The downside is: Mike's conversion promises and predictions are ... rubbish.

    10% of targeted visitors buy the CD he said... I tested this with good targeted traffic and the (s&h) reduced to only $1 and got a tiny conversion rate.

    7% OTO conversion rate... not happening. 2% is more likely these days.

    So my review is mixed.... this is not for everyone.

    John

    P.S. If I was achieving a fraction of what he stated I'd be a $$$ millionaire already.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneBoyd
      The webby was useful until he starts promoting his course to you. No, I did not purchase, nor will I. However, some of the tips given were pretty good, so my time wasn't totally wasted.

      Happy marketing.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Russen
        Originally Posted by ShaneBoyd View Post

        The webby was useful until he starts promoting his course to you. No, I did not purchase, nor will I. However, some of the tips given were pretty good, so my time wasn't totally wasted.

        Happy marketing.

        Shane
        I have to agree with Shane, watched the presentation, some useful hints, but after googling for reviews found this on WF and from the above have mixed feelings. So won't be purchasing.

        Interesting though....

        Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author CClassHosting
      Originally Posted by ollarbank View Post

      I purchased Mike's franchise model... several months ago.

      Took me a while to get to grips with it.

      Not all the products are great but I'm concentrating on the better CD'S and they do offer value as a front end product... for list building. Then a variety of backend products I have bring me profit from the list.

      The continuity program is working for me. I get regular subscribers that fund my marketing costs.

      The software and system is cool... it would be very expensive to create alone. So I'm delighted with it as a tool.

      The downside is: Mike's conversion promises and predictions are ... rubbish.

      10% of targeted visitors buy the CD he said... I tested this with good targeted traffic and the (s&h) reduced to only $1 and got a tiny conversion rate.

      7% OTO conversion rate... not happening. 2% is more likely these days.

      So my review is mixed.... this is not for everyone.

      John

      P.S. If I was achieving a fraction of what he stated I'd be a $$$ millionaire already.
      Did you get your money out yet? or did you make several times over?

      which modules did you find useful?

      Are you averaging $75/free cd given out? What are your averages?

      Is it worthwhile to use adwords traffic?
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      • Profile picture of the author ollarbank
        Originally Posted by Listbuilding_Guru View Post

        Did you get your money out yet? or did you make several times over?

        which modules did you find useful?

        Are you averaging $75/free cd given out? What are your averages?

        Is it worthwhile to use adwords traffic?
        All in all ... I'm happy with the franchise model.

        I've been trialing and testing for months... There are 6 good products worth promoting and then I use the rest as alternative purchases to throw at my optin list.

        If you divide Mike's figures by 2 then it could still work.

        I bought a couple of great WSO's last month that put me on to... great traffic... for Mike's product. It's not adwords.

        It's paid traffic... to prove that Mike's product sells... and it is working well for me.

        Product One:

        I paid for 800 visitors to a related free offer squeeze page costing me $220

        I got 240 signups on my list... this has $ value to me for future promotions

        I then forwarded them to Mike's free CD

        I got 14 subscribers for the CD... not the 10% or the 24 Mike states

        I got only 6 buyers to his monthly magazine... 1 cancelled within 24 hours

        So if I assume at least 4 will stick around for 4 months at $24 per month = $ 384

        The contact centre will be following up on 20 people... so you never know what that will bring.

        I see it working for me... and if I also generate some free traffic my costs will go down.


        Product Two: (a better product)

        I'm now buying 1000 visitors for $300 each week (reasonably well targeted)

        Getting less signups but more sales... strange!

        I'm getting firm magazine sales of at least 6 x $24 x 4 months = $576 income

        Remember it is cash flow negative for the first 2 months. Patience is needed!

        The OTO sales at $97 are very poor... so I discount them totally.

        The real profit should come on the backend from the contact centre and my follow up sales to my ever growing list.

        I hope this helps you.

        PM me if you need to know more
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  • Profile picture of the author SJ048998
    So, this guy is offering you to tell you that running a small own bistro restaurant might be actually a bit tougher than go Mc'Donalds and this stuff for mere 1,000$? That's what I call a worthy investment.

    Surprisingly interesting, what some people are trying to make you buy nowadays. Frankly, something like Warrior Forum might be actually worth that price, I mean an access with all its perks, sure, but this? No thanks.

    --> google for these manuals, tips and eBooks first, before spending x,xxx $ for it!

    Peace,
    George S.
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  • Profile picture of the author ollarbank
    A quick update: My OTO sales are now happening... great!

    There is a BIG benefit to Mike's franchise. The front end products are professional.
    The butterfly marketing system is proven to work... follow-ups, OTO's and backend offers are all in place for you. No products to develop... or funnel to design.

    The BIG plus is... he is offering a DEEP enough sales funnel that justifies you buying your traffic. It's always hard to turn a profit on any front end sale with paid for traffic.

    I'm being consistent by promoting each week ... as all marketers advise.

    I'm not wasting my time working long hours... driving free visitors that brings me traffic of doubtful quality. (I've been down that road and traffic is never free)

    I buy my traffic in two hours... at the weekend. Just a few emails does it all.

    No adwords to manage... no SEO... no PPV... no time sucking crap.

    I'm building a business that is repeatable each week and scalable.

    Next month my profits will allow me to spend $600 every week on traffic. By February I will be buying $1000 of traffic every week.

    At the moment I'm up to buying 1000 visitors each week. My traffic source is sound, scalable and reasonably well targeted... and available to all warriors.

    I first send the visitors to my own squeeze page for a free related offer with a bit of a presell on Mike's CD. I'm capturing their emails... approx 25% or 250 every week before forwarding them to Mike's related free CD. Valuable to me in the future.

    Yes... I am getting signups for the CD and the continuity sales are now paying me each month. Not as many as Mike states... but maybe that's my traffic quality or the fault my of my squeeze page. I'm still testing both.

    For every $1 spent... I'm bringing in $2 and that's before the call centre follow up for me. I look upon that as my bonus.

    By sending follow-up emails for 14 days... pushing several of the CD's I always get a few more signups and sales.

    Believe me Mike's franchise works if you can be creative and consistent. This is NOT a cookie cutter system. It is a content rich professional proven marketing machine.

    I hope this helps some warriors out there.

    PM me if you want to know more.
    I'm happy to show you how I'm doing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author tampaprogrammer
    $2,000?!?!?

    I am not bashing the product because I haven't seen it yet and its probably pretty good but... 2 GRAND?!?!

    Has any of the above posters even broke even yet? For $2,000 I am sure you could purchase an already established site and tweak it to profitability OR ... throw 2 grand into quality traffic with some other decent products already out there as just an affiliate.

    Just a thought ....
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  • Profile picture of the author ollarbank
    I appreciate your comment $2000 is a lot.

    BUT... you are buying a real BUSINESS... not another training course of books and videos (yawn)... or the latest bright and shiney piece of hyped up software.

    This $2000 investment means you don't need to reinvent the wheel. The Guru's want to sell you their teachings... sell their knowledge endlessly without giving you the products and systems... to make you money.

    This $2000 can give you in a full time work from home income... within a few months.

    $2000 wouldn't buy you the lawnmowers to start a gardening business.
    $2000 wouldn't buy you the tools to be a maintenance plumber.

    This is a proven business model and automated software... it offers everything you will need... to build a full time income... and it works!

    You get the 40+ great front end CD products auto shipped for you... the OTOs... and a quality continuity program... plus the ultimate backend product... all set up for you in a totally automated sales funnel.

    My analogy:

    You are buying a car from Mike... fully loaded and ready to run.
    All you have to do is pump in the the gas to get where you want to go.

    Most thieving Guru's... want to sell you ebooks teaching you to be a car mechanic and show you how to build engines. Hell... I want to drive a car not get a diploma. You don't need to understand how the combustion engine works to get where you want to go???

    Come out from under the hood and buy the car. What is it you want???

    Take the time to view Mike's video again. Listen to his numbers... then be pessamistic and divide them by two and you will see that there is still a great profit to be made.

    Do the math... you need to understand your numbers.

    Anyone wanting me to show you an easy way in... PM me anytime.
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    • Profile picture of the author tampaprogrammer
      Thanks ollarbank for the analogy but I have to disagree a bit.

      There are SEVERAL offers out there where they have sites "pre-made" offering clickbank products, amazon, ebay auto-loading, etc.

      Do they have as many features as Mike's? Probably not but they are also under $100

      As far as buying a "car" from Mike, again, this isn't quite the same because with digital products, you create it ONCE and can re-sell it a million times. You can't buy one car and sell it to 1 million people.

      Again, I hardly see what he is offering as a "business", it really is a premade system that you still have to get up and running AND most importantly, send traffic to (the holygrail of internet success...lol)

      $500 system? sure, that sounds more reasonable but hey, to each their own. If he can warrant that price AND have people pay it, who am I to say otherwise? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author ollarbank
    Thanks Tampa...
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  • Profile picture of the author Carlos Tabora
    I've purchased the program and am still waiting for my refund. They quote 6-14 business days to get your refund and now I'm going on day 16 and still no refund. Nancy in their customer service department told me that every time I add a comment to my ticket (even though I'm only adding comments to the SAME ticket) it pushes my ticket to the bottom of the queue. Which is funny, because they've been waiting until day 13 or 14 to process my refund it seems and still no refund on day 16.

    Mike makes good products and I've purchased several (Butterfly Marketing, Magic Cart Button, Site Sales, Evergreen Business System). The concept behind this product is sound: have an established sales/marketing funnel in place (created by Mike) to maximize the amount of money you make from each prospect. However, the subject matter of the 45 or so products/Websites Mike offers is limited and he doesn't give you the list of products he offers in this system until after you buy it.

    Hence, now I am in this situation, waiting for my refund. As I said the concept is well thought out, but the products/Websites being offered are not high enough quality for my preference. Coupled with the EXTREME BACKLOG and delay in their customer responsiveness, I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS PRODUCT if you are unsure.

    This is not a give it a try and refund if you don't like it. Their refunds take forever.

    keep movin'

    buzz
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    • Profile picture of the author ollarbank
      Hi All...

      I'm making this short post today to give some answers to all the PM's I've been getting recently.

      I can only presume Mike is promoting his Profit Platform again... through his video.

      Be in no doubt Mike's Butterfly marketing system works for him... Hell... it's made him a multi millionaire.

      It is a proven marketing solution... that anyone can tap into.

      Yes... it is a great product.... or rather sales funnel
      Yes... I'm using it every day... and making profits
      Yes... It is a very important piece in my online Jigsaw
      Yes... With a good capture page and free gift (relevant) upfront it converts
      Yes... The CD's are good enough... but the funnel is exceptional
      Yes... I found a great traffic source... for it
      Yes... You need to understand how to put it all together

      Any serious Warriors wanting to know more... at absolutely no cost
      can PM me anytime.

      If I can help you make your decision... get in touch.

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author mmixon
        "...Be in no doubt Mike's Butterfly marketing system works for him... Hell... it's made him a multi millionaire...."

        Mike's fortune has come from selling stuff to to all us suckers on how to make money online. I doubt that he sits around doing the nuts and bolts work on the stuff on this products. I doubt he even makes any of his own products, he just buys them from others and promotes them.

        As has been discussed several times before in the forum, one of the reasons "gurus" like Mike Filsame have a bad rep is because they sell stuff on how to make money online and most of it does not work. The program works for them because selling the program is how they make their money, not working the program.

        They are selling the hype...fixing a problem...how to make a fast buck...etc.

        I predict when the books are written 20 and 30 years from now on the early days of the internet, Hucksters like Mike will be similar to the snake oil salesmen traveling the old west in covered wagons, going town to town, selling their "magic" elixir that cures everything from sniffles to shingles.
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