SHENANIGANS: Mass Money Makers

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Hey Warriors,

I was just watching the sales video on MassMoneyMakers.com and I noticed something a little unethical and kind of fishy so I have to call SHENANIGANS!

The reason I am posting this here is because maybe I missed something or misunderstood something in the video so I'm looking for a second opinion.

In the video, they claim that they opened a BRAND NEW Clickbank account and built it to 7,500 in a few days. But when looking at the video I couldn't help but notice that the "experiment" started on Dec 11th 2010 and if you look at the weekly snapshots above, you will see that there is actually $71 bucks from the last week of Nov.

WHATS UP WITH THAT? I thought this was supposed to be a BRAND NEW Clickbank account? And I going crazy here or did this really just happen?

Luckily I snapped a photo of the video to show you what I saw, take a look for yourself and let me know what you think...

Talk soon,
Matthew Neer
#makers #mass #money #shenanigans
  • Profile picture of the author bfas
    It's unfortunate that so many product developers depend on smoke, mirrors, and BS. Some may be decent products that shoot themselves in the foot trying to be more/better/slicker than they are, but all too many are simply trash, and must rely on fabricated or misleading info, claims, etc. in order to be appealing.

    Michael
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  • Profile picture of the author James Tudsbury
    Tricky business - hard to tell what's above-board most of the time
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Looking at the video briefly, it appears that the results are from instantviralincome.com

    How do I know that? The Clickbank account name is snjmktg

    Go here: Instant Viral Income
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  • Profile picture of the author B3n
    Sorry to bump but found this:

    Alex Malave Launching 'Instant Viral Income' December 13

    "Alex Malave Launching 'Instant Viral Income' December 13 - December 12, 2010"
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  • Profile picture of the author rts2271
    I did a lot of digging too. I think what they did is took all their free traffic and aimed it into a new account.

    When you go into the Clickbank marketplace you will see that that offer is Alex and Alen's who is Matt's partner too. So I think connecting the dots is pretty easy when you consider that, they said "this strategy and this technology" and inside the training on phase 3 they talk about
    implementing email marketing strategies and other methods like that...

    Btw.. I know that Matt and Bill are doing a lot together... They are holding a super affiliate secret seminar, in a few weeks.

    I watched the other video and found that these two sites that they mentioned in another video too. Actually it was on the exit pop:

    get spouse back - Yahoo! Search Results

    "xbox rrod" - Bing
    xboxrrod.net

    To me it looks and sounds like they got their hands in a lot of pots testing out their strategies...
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Brock
      Check how many searches there are for "get spouse back" in exact match (and that's on Google who naturally has by far the biggest market share). Also, they're not ranking if you put "how to" in front or other related terms -- and they're not ranking at present for the xbox term either.

      The reality is - although naturally you can rank squeeze pages in search engines they typically have very limited staying power. Especially for more competitive terms -- sure they may find their way up there momentarily, but they usually drop off again.

      Squeeze pages (especially of this particular type) and SEO usually aren't a very healthy combo in the long run; it shouldn't be a secret that search engines strive to deliver relevant results so these sort of practices are like trying to swim against the current because as search engines improve, rankings drop.

      I'm not a devoted fan of the old "bum marketing" method either, but at least that focuses on creating content that has more staying power in the engines.

      And it's really no wonder they show these not particularly impressive results through Yahoo which is much less qualified at weeding out thin search results than Google, although it usually will happen. It's exactly the kind of page that no search engine really wants to show in search results.

      This - and a lot of other aspects - taken into consideration I find their income claims using such tactics highly dubious. As has been mentioned, it is very, very likely that their clickbank income is from a list that wasn't built using the tactics outlined in this course.

      Originally Posted by rts2271 View Post

      I did a lot of digging too. I think what they did is took all their free traffic and aimed it into a new account.

      When you go into the Clickbank marketplace you will see that that offer is Alex and Alen's who is Matt's partner too. So I think connecting the dots is pretty easy when you consider that, they said "this strategy and this technology" and inside the training on phase 3 they talk about
      implementing email marketing strategies and other methods like that...

      Btw.. I know that Matt and Bill are doing a lot together… They are holding a super affiliate secret seminar, in a few weeks.

      I watched the other video and found that these two sites that they mentioned in another video too. Actually it was on the exit pop:

      get spouse back - Yahoo! Search Results

      "xbox rrod" - Bing
      xboxrrod.net

      To me it looks and sounds like they got their hands in a lot of pots testing out their strategies…
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  • Profile picture of the author IrishMarketer
    Hi Guys
    First of all I am a buddy of matts so was just checking for feedback. as Matt requests the thoughts and comments of other IM people. So i asked him when i saw this thread. the account belongs to Alex Malave, Alen Sultanics partner. So thats why there is some old money. the account was dormant for 3 weeks prior to the live test.
    So thats the scoop guys nice eyes dude.

    they are not the results from instantviral by the way. They are the test results from the system. This video was for testing the product pre launch, was put up as the sales page as a split test against 5 others. this one converted like hell. its number one on clickbank today.

    I have all of the products, i like them.
    Thats the inside word guys and my views, hope it helps
    Anthony
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    The sales page is totally misleading. By showing that video, they make people think they are going to get a magic 13 click software that will bring hundreds or thousandths in sales in a day. The truth is far from this. What the video shows is simply this guy opeining his account after sending out an email to his huge email list. That´s it guys! Whenever you watch a video showing some "guru" going from 0 to 3, 6 or 15 grand in only a day, that´s someone with a huge mailing list. period. Can you build a list like this in a day? nope. Does the guy actually teach how to build a list? I´m sure he does, just be prepared to put in a lot of time and/or money.
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  • Profile picture of the author chuckles
    Guys - there really is NO time to discuss this - there are only 183 places left!!! Quick take out your credit cards and buy! ;-)

    Incidentally there were 183 places left yesterday too.....
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    Can anyone actually tell me what you would be buying?
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  • Originally Posted by MatthewNeer View Post

    Hey Warriors,


    In the video, they claim that they opened a BRAND NEW Clickbank account and built it to 7,500 in a few days. But when looking at the video I couldn't help but notice that the "experiment" started on Dec 11th 2010 and if you look at the weekly snapshots above, you will see that there is actually $71 bucks from the last week of Nov.

    Talk soon,
    Matthew Neer
    I was sceptical about this too. If you look even closer, with regards to apparently opening a brand new account on this day for this experiment ( I believe that's what it said? ) you'll notice the account was actually opened in 2009!! It's very tiny at the bottom but if you increase the zoom level you can just about see it. Just my 2 cents worth
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  • Profile picture of the author Wolster
    Thanks for the input guys, I actually considered it for about a minute.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
    Hey all,

    For everyone freaking out about the money showing up so suddenly, through another account... I don't want to give too much away, but Matt's system is mostly about building mailing lists, and promoting offers as an affiliate to your lists... that's what Matt does best.

    You're focusing on the wrong thing here...

    Ok, the account isn't "brand new", but is THAT, of all things, what you're really focused on? If so, you're really missing the point...

    The point of the video was to show something like... <i>here's an account without any money coming in, and look what happens when I put my system into action. </i>

    It was to show that there wasn't recurring income, it wasn't currently selling products, and there was no residual income of any kind...

    It's almost like going to buy a new house, and as the realtor is telling you that the house is riddled with termites, is going to need a new roof, and was the site of a mass murder ... and all you can focus on is a couple of weeds in the front yard.

    Focus on what's important here...

    Thanks & Good Luck,
    Gary Ambrose

    P.S. Yes, Matt probably should have said a "dormant" account, or have opened up a "brand new" account... but would that really matter? The money came in, the products he promoted were sold, and he took home the money he's claiming... the fact that the account was opened a while back is the weeds...
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    • Profile picture of the author bfas
      Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

      Hey all,

      For everyone freaking out about the money showing up so suddenly, through another account... I don't want to give too much away, but Matt's system is mostly about building mailing lists, and promoting offers as an affiliate to your lists... that's what Matt does best.

      You're focusing on the wrong thing here...

      Ok, the account isn't "brand new", but is THAT, of all things, what you're really focused on? If so, you're really missing the point...

      The point of the video was to show something like... <i>here's an account without any money coming in, and look what happens when I put my system into action. </i>

      It was to show that there wasn't recurring income, it wasn't currently selling products, and there was no residual income of any kind...

      It's almost like going to buy a new house, and as the realtor is telling you that the house is riddled with termites, is going to need a new roof, and was the site of a mass murder ... and all you can focus on is a couple of weeds in the front yard.

      Focus on what's important here...

      Thanks & Good Luck,
      Gary Ambrose

      P.S. Yes, Matt probably should have said a "dormant" account, or have opened up a "brand new" account... but would that really matter? The money came in, the products he promoted were sold, and he took home the money he's claiming... the fact that the account was opened a while back is the weeds...
      He goes to great lengths, 3 separate times, emphasizing the "just opened, brand new account" in the video, plus the mega-font "***Brand New*** Clickbank Account" on the sales page.

      Obviously you know if you've just opened the account for this purpose. He knows it isn't true, and so he's making a conscious decision to lie about it in order to add more 'sizzle' to the pitch.

      I guess the question is, is it ok to "say anything" to get you to buy something, if that something works? Supposing for a moment that the product works exactly as advertised, does that make it 'no big deal' to mislead or misrepresent?

      I think the biggest problem is that these tactics become 'accepted' as just 'how things are', or because 'everybody does things like that'.

      As for "he took home the money he's claiming", why would someone assume that 'stretching' the truth is limited to the pitch? "Makes $384,482 per Month", "Only 183 left", etc.

      It's a very slippery slope that begins with "c'mon, what's the big deal?"

      Michael
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        Originally Posted by bfas View Post

        He goes to great lengths, 3 separate times, emphasizing the "just opened, brand new account" in the video, plus the mega-font "***Brand New*** Clickbank Account" on the sales page.

        Obviously you know if you've just opened the account for this purpose. He knows it isn't true, and so he's making a conscious decision to lie about it in order to add more 'sizzle' to the pitch.

        I guess the question is, is it ok to "say anything" to get you to buy something, if that something works? Supposing for a moment that the product works exactly as advertised, does that make it 'no big deal' to mislead or misrepresent?

        I think the biggest problem is that these tactics become 'accepted' as just 'how things are', or because 'everybody does things like that'.

        As for "he took home the money he's claiming", why would someone assume that 'stretching' the truth is limited to the pitch? "Makes $384,482 per Month", "Only 183 left", etc.

        It's a very slippery slope that begins with "c'mon, what's the big deal?"

        Michael
        On the only XX left thing... that I don't know.

        On the Makes XX per month... I haven't seen Matt's books, but I have seen his house, and know the kind of money he's made for me on affiliate promotions and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's making more than that some months.

        As for the other stuff, see my reply just above this one...

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        • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
          How did they get all these would be "Leaders" to follow and then drink the guru vitamin enhanced Kool-Aid? There are quite a few more noteworthy names missing along with a few that make you scratch your head . . . .

          Dan Kuschell
          Alex Malave
          Andrew Fox
          Big John
          Bill McRea <<- - - - - - Massive Passive Profits (30 clicks)
          Bryan Winters
          Casey Gentles
          Charles Kirkland
          Chris Cobb
          Chris Freville
          Cindy Battye
          Corey Lewis
          Costa Dedes
          Craig Davidson
          David Chamberlain
          Dean Holland
          Dr. Suzanne Gudakunst
          Driven Profits
          Gabor Olah
          Gary Ambrose
          Gary McGeown
          George
          Herschy (jeff Schwerdt)
          Ian Ross
          Imran Sadiq
          James Yii
          Jani Ghaffor
          Jason James
          Jason Parker . . . . . . . . It has been CONFIRMED - This is several lists put together
          Javan Robinson . . . . . . from various places but the name on this list do NOT mean
          Jeff Dedrick . . . . .. .. they are guilty of promoting this product. In fact, many do
          Jeff Paul . . . . . . . .. . . NOT know they are on their list. If these are your friends,
          Jonny Andrews . . . . . . . . You should notify them of the error so it can be corrected.
          Jordan Hall
          Justin Blake
          Justin Michie
          Kevin Young
          Kieran
          Marc Horne
          Mark Anastasi AFF. manager Pete Craig
          Mark Lareau
          Mark Ling
          matthew marcus
          Mike Auton
          Mike Litman
          Oli
          Peter Lenkefi
          Ric Thompson
          Rob Benwell
          Saj P
          Steve Iser
          Steven Johnson
          Tim Bekker
          Alok Jain
          Desmond Ong
          Jimmy Kim
          Reed Floren
          Michael Glaspie
          Mitch Mauldin
          Adam Spiel
          Tom Kim Contact for Nick Marks
          Sean Clark
          Kyle Battis
          Tellman Knudson
          Shawn Casey
          Aaron Darko
          Adeel Chowdhry
          Kieran Gill
          Paul Walker
          Scott Marlow
          Dylan Loh
          Eric Rockefeller
          Jit Uppal
          Merlin Holmes
          Michael Beeson
          Paul Liburd
          Alan Magliocca
          Alex Goad
          Alok Jain
          Alvin Huang
          Andrew
          Andrew Hanson
          Anik Singal
          Antonio
          Bobby Fitzpatrick
          Bobby Walker
          Brad Callen
          Brent Coppieters
          Brian Johnson
          Chad Kimball
          Chris
          Chris Fox
          Chris X
          Craig Beckta
          Craig Davidson
          Craig K
          Dan Brock
          Daniel Turner
          Dave Guindon
          Dave Lovelace
          David Chamberlin
          Desmond Ong
          Devon Brown
          Edmund Loh
          Emil Paz
          Eric Louviere
          Eric Owens
          Erik Stafford
          Ewen Chia
          Fabian Tan
          Frank Rumbauskas
          FreeAffiliateInsider
          Gauher
          George Brown
          Greg Wood
          Harris Fellman
          Heri Rosyadi
          <<<--------CORRECTION------DID NOT PROMOTE THIS PRODUCT
          Hoang
          Hollis Carter
          Howie Schwartz
          Huey Lee
          Ivan Georgiev
          Jack Humphrey
          Jack Sinclair
          James J Jones
          Jamie Lewis
          Jared
          Jason Deiboldt
          Jason Dinner
          Jason Gazaway
          EDIT - EDIT - CORRECTION Jason Moffattis NOT promoting this product.
          Jason Gazaway
          Jay Stockwell
          Jeff Czyzewski
          Jeff Johnson
          Jeff Mills
          Jeff Vecek
          Jerome Chapman
          Joe Russell
          Joel Peterson
          John Denton
          John Hostler
          Jonathan Ledger
          Jonathan Mizel
          Jorg
          Justin Blake
          Justin Brooke
          K.K. Maybel
          Keith Baxter
          Keith Wellman
          Kevin Wilke
          Kirt Christensen
          Kris Mainieri
          Kris McCarty
          Kyle Kirschbaum
          Lanty Paul
          Letian Lu
          Luke Kendall
          Marc Goldman
          Marc Lindsay
          Mark Joyner
          Mark Shay
          Matt Benwell
          Matt Gill
          Matt Trainer
          Matthew Carter
          Melford Bibens
          Michael Copeland
          Michael Edwards
          Michael Jones
          Michael Sampson
          Michelle McPhearson
          Mike Merz
          Mike Woo Ming
          Mitch Maultin
          Mo Latif <<<----Auto Mass Traffic <<---THIS ONE WORKS. VIDEO http://www.ez-1.net/masstraff
          Nate Hopkins
          Omar Martin
          Patrick Coffey
          Patrick Kennedy
          Paul Counts
          Paul Ponna
          Phil Mansour
          Rick Davies
          Ritoban Chakrabarti
          Robert Grant
          Roy Oron
          Russell Brunson
          Ryan Allaire
          Sataya X
          Sean Clark
          Shane Purcell
          Shaun Smith
          Simon & Jeremy
          Stephen Pierce
          Steven Lee Jones
          Tim Donovan
          Tom Bell
          Vince Tan
          Willie Crawford
          Winter Valko
          Zac McGrath

          That is one long list - WOW - which is what makes me wonder if these guys are so busy they depend on employees to run their promotions OR is that list a big HOAX too? Their reputations are at risk if they keep allowing their names to be used for leverage.

          The response from the big boys is simple, "That's what you get for subscribing to anyone else's list but mine."

          Lessons to learn:

          1) Approach the BIGGEST names first and keep going down the list and pretty soon it snowballs when they see who's already on the list. Turbo Profit Sniper wasn't promoted that much but it works - just like it was advertised.

          2) If you get your product past 5 or 6 which good reputations, the rest of them are easy as pie. The perception is a pre-approved endorsed product nobody else has to take the time to review. Names carry weight and it's kind of scary when what you thought was solid turns out to be hollow. That must be how that guy "made-off" with all the money?

          3) All these launches use perception that says the product owner is the one with the most credibility. Who really created the product? Did they sit down together and brainstorm these ideas?

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          Is that the SAME software???
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          • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
            Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

            That is one long list - WOW - which is what makes me wonder if these guys are so busy they depend on employees to run their promotions OR is that list a big HOAX too? Their reputations are at risk if they keep allowing their names to be used for leverage.
            I know of one person on that list who does since I emailed them asking if they were aware that a certain product they were promoting through their list was not only unethical but could get the users into serious trouble for copyright infringement if they got caught taking advantage of certain features of this product.

            I got a reply from said person stating that they use an assistant to handle their email.
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              Originally Posted by Chris Worner View Post

              I know of one person on that list who does since I emailed them asking if they were aware that a certain product they were promoting through their list was not only unethical but could get the users into serious trouble for copyright infringement if they got caught taking advantage of certain features of this product.

              I got a reply from said person stating that they use an assistant to handle their email.
              That's what I figured - not a good sign.

              Originally Posted by JASONDINNER

              ]Don't you realize they just took a list of every affiliate marketer they know who does affiliate marketing and put them on this list whether they were going to promote or not?

              I know that. How can they get away with doing something like that? I'm beginning to wonder if Matt Barak know his name is on the product and being used to send out emails with misleading bogus headlines - what FREE product? and all the mysterious way just to get people to click is probably putting cookie monster trackers on everyone's machine.


              We should make an effort to stop unethical sales practices by "voting with our wallet" and refusing to buy these products. And we might consider unsubscribing from lists of marketers who actively push these products. After all, at worst, this speaks to their complicity. At best, it tells us something about their judgment.
              Everyone who reads these threads is already "voting with our wallet and refusing to buy these products." Anyone who chooses to buy them is doing that with open eyes and it's usually for a warrior calculated reason.

              They are not the ones these guys target - THE NEWBIES and RETIRED people looking to supplement their income are funding these launches. That's why 4-5 of them have been launched one right after the other in a blatant, obviously profitable attempt to sell the ones who didn't buy the last one. There are 3 upsells - $297 $197 and $97 I think.

              I did purchase one of them: AUTO MASS TRAFFIC and I wonder if the software is the same. This is one of the videos from the members area. The sales pages look the same?? Is the software the same too?
              http://www.ez-1.net/masstraff

              - bfas "The technology they're selling is used to build lists, and the money came in as a result of lists" - that's quite a reach for justification.

              Individual sense of what integrity is aside, here's a good 'thought experiment' - for any product or service pitch:

              If you presented -all- of this to 10 uninvolved random people, how many would say these are mis-representative or misleading practices? 10? And how many non-IM people, getting the 'full disclosure' on the 'new' account, the questionable claims & results, the fake scarcity, etc., would come away from this thinking, wow, this is all pretty shady - 10?
              If most of them didn't fall for the hype, we wouldn't be seeing so much of the promotion THE NEWBIES and RETIRED people looking to supplement their income are funding these launches. They have the perfect price point for the 1 or 2 that might notice something shady because even they might just go ahead and take a chance on $37 - not too much to make anyone too worried and not too little to lose the perception of value - cheap doesn't sell - bargains and special prices do - just not to you!
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          • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
            Don't you realize they just took a list of every affiliate marketer they know who does affiliate marketing and put them on this list whether they were going to promote or not?

            Originally Posted by thriftgirl62 View Post

            How did they get all these would be "Leaders" to follow and then drink the guru vitamin enhanced Kool-Aid? There are quite a few more noteworthy names missing along with a few that make you scratch your head . . . .

            Dan Kuschell
            Alex Malave
            Andrew Fox
            Big John
            Bill McRea <<- - - - - - Massive Passive Profits (30 clicks)
            Bryan Winters
            Casey Gentles
            Charles Kirkland
            Chris Cobb
            Chris Freville
            Cindy Battye
            Corey Lewis
            Costa Dedes
            Craig Davidson
            David Chamberlain
            Dean Holland
            Dr. Suzanne Gudakunst
            Driven Profits
            Gabor Olah
            Gary Ambrose
            Gary McGeown
            George
            Herschy (jeff Schwerdt)
            Ian Ross
            Imran Sadiq
            James Yii
            Jani Ghaffor
            Jason James
            Jason Parker
            Javan Robinson
            Jeff Dedrick
            Jeff Paul
            Jonny Andrews
            Jordan Hall
            Justin Blake
            Justin Michie
            Kevin Young
            Kieran
            Marc Horne
            Mark Anastasi AFF. manager Pete Craig
            Mark Lareau
            Mark Ling
            matthew marcus
            Mike Auton
            Mike Litman
            Oli
            Peter Lenkefi
            Ric Thompson
            Rob Benwell
            Saj P
            Steve Iser
            Steven Johnson
            Tim Bekker
            Alok Jain
            Desmond Ong
            Jimmy Kim
            Reed Floren
            Michael Glaspie
            Mitch Mauldin
            Adam Spiel
            Tom Kim Contact for Nick Marks
            Sean Clark
            Kyle Battis
            Tellman Knudson
            Shawn Casey
            Aaron Darko
            Adeel Chowdhry
            Kieran Gill
            Paul Walker
            Scott Marlow
            Dylan Loh
            Eric Rockefeller
            Jit Uppal
            Merlin Holmes
            Michael Beeson
            Paul Liburd
            Alan Magliocca
            Alex Goad
            Alok Jain
            Alvin Huang
            Andrew
            Andrew Hanson
            Anik Singal
            Antonio
            Bobby Fitzpatrick
            Bobby Walker
            Brad Callen
            Brent Coppieters
            Brian Johnson
            Chad Kimball
            Chris
            Chris Fox
            Chris X
            Craig Beckta
            Craig Davidson
            Craig K
            Dan Brock
            Daniel Turner
            Dave Guindon
            Dave Lovelace
            David Chamberlin
            Desmond Ong
            Devon Brown
            Edmund Loh
            Emil Paz
            Eric Louviere
            Eric Owens
            Erik Stafford
            Ewen Chia
            Fabian Tan
            Frank Rumbauskas
            FreeAffiliateInsider
            Gauher
            George Brown
            Greg Wood
            Harris Fellman
            Heri Rosyadi
            Hitesh Juneja
            Hoang
            Hollis Carter
            Howie Schwartz
            Huey Lee
            Ivan Georgiev
            Jack Humphrey
            Jack Sinclair
            James J Jones
            Jamie Lewis
            Jared
            Jason Deiboldt
            Jason Dinner
            Jason Gazaway
            Jason Moffatt
            Jason Gazaway
            Jay Stockwell
            Jeff Czyzewski
            Jeff Johnson
            Jeff Mills
            Jeff Vecek
            Jerome Chapman
            Joe Russell
            Joel Peterson
            John Denton
            John Hostler
            Jonathan Ledger
            Jonathan Mizel
            Jorg
            Justin Blake
            Justin Brooke
            K.K. Maybel
            Keith Baxter
            Keith Wellman
            Kevin Wilke
            Kirt Christensen
            Kris Mainieri
            Kris McCarty
            Kyle Kirschbaum
            Lanty Paul
            Letian Lu
            Luke Kendall
            Marc Goldman
            Marc Lindsay
            Mark Joyner
            Mark Shay
            Matt Benwell
            Matt Gill
            Matt Trainer
            Matthew Carter
            Melford Bibens
            Michael Copeland
            Michael Edwards
            Michael Jones
            Michael Sampson
            Michelle McPhearson
            Mike Merz
            Mike Woo Ming
            Mitch Maultin
            Mo Latif <<<----Auto Mass Traffic <<---It Works. VIDEO http://www.ez-1.net/masstraff
            Nate Hopkins
            Omar Martin
            Patrick Coffey
            Patrick Kennedy
            Paul Counts
            Paul Ponna
            Phil Mansour
            Rick Davies
            Ritoban Chakrabarti
            Robert Grant
            Roy Oron
            Russell Brunson
            Ryan Allaire
            Sataya X
            Sean Clark
            Shane Purcell
            Shaun Smith
            Simon & Jeremy
            Stephen Pierce
            Steven Lee Jones
            Tim Donovan
            Tom Bell
            Vince Tan
            Willie Crawford
            Winter Valko
            Zac McGrath

            That is one long list - WOW - which is what makes me wonder if these guys are so busy they depend on employees to run their promotions OR is that list a big HOAX too? Their reputations are at risk if they keep allowing their names to be used for leverage.

            The response from the big boys is simple, "That's what you get for subscribing to anyone else's list but mine."

            Lessons to learn:

            1) Approach the BIGGEST names first and keep going down the list and pretty soon it snowballs when they see who's already on the list. Turbo Profit Sniper wasn't promoted that much but it works - just like it was advertised.

            2) If you get your product past 5 or 6 which good reputations, the rest of them are easy as pie. The perception is a pre-approved endorsed product nobody else has to take the time to review. Names carry weight and it's kind of scary when what you thought was solid turns out to be hollow. That must be how that guy "made-off" with all the money?

            3) All these launches use perception that says the product owner is the one with the most credibility. Who really created the product? Did they sit down together and brainstorm these ideas?

            4) The common thread running through this trend is control. They drip feed information until the life-cycle of every product reaches 2 years of re-hashing the same thing.

            Who said this over 10 years ago?
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    • Profile picture of the author 4kgyasi
      So are you saying lying is OK? Trust is important os if he'd lie about something small, what else is he lying about?
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      • Profile picture of the author JMSD
        Originally Posted by 4kgyasi View Post

        So are you saying lying is OK? Trust is important os if he'd lie about something small, what else is he lying about?
        Of course I'm not suggesting that lying is ok. But for the life of me, I cannot see what "lie" Matt or Alen are guilty of in selling or marketing this product.

        I haven't come across any statement that belies what the product is all about. I don't much care that he may have created a "brand new account" that pre-dates the video demo by several months or years. What matters to me is whether or not the product gives me sufficient information and practical help to copy what is being taught and in this instance, whether or not the software does what it is meant to do.

        On both counts the answer is yes although I would add that because I've just implemented the ideas and about to launch the sites (yes, several), it's too early to say if the free traffic will mount up to the kind of figures claimed in the video. Even if it does not come close, I'd be happy because I'm actually able to put into action something that makes sense to me. My expectations are realistic because I know that no marketer can guarantee that a customer's results will be the same as his/her own.

        As IMers, you and I know that the level of results depends upon factors that are, for obvious reasons, outside the scope and control of the product creators. To expect the same results or call the thing "shenanigans" is unrealistic and a tad too far respectively.

        As I have said before, if you suspect someone is lying, don't trust them with your money or your time. I, for one, do not think "naming and shaming" marketers is the way to go. Life's too short for casting stones. Besides which, haven't we got better things to do with our time?

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author Zentech
    So, there's a lie at the center of the pitch, but that shouldn't be a problem.

    Hmm...
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
      Originally Posted by Zentech View Post

      So, there's a lie at the center of the pitch, but that shouldn't be a problem.

      Hmm...
      LOL...

      Let me ask you this. And this is a serious question...

      If I take a car on a test drive at the dealer, and put a few miles on the car during my test drive... is the car sold to the eventual buyer as new, or used?

      As far as I know, that's still a new car, even though there may have been a few test drives taken on the car. They opened a new account, did a couple of tests to confirm that their system actually works (GASP!), and then showed the results.

      Again, I think people are missing the point...

      This is a new account, as in, it was opened for the purposes to testing this system. It isn't an account that has been accruing residual income for years, which was then presented as new money coming in. That would be a flat out lie, and yes... it has happened on more than one recent product launch... but, not on Matt's.

      Is it new, as in, opened that very day... obviously not, and as savvy as Matt is, I'm sure he knew that people wouldn't think it was an account opened that day. No one who has ever had a CB account would think that the account was opened that day... and Matt knows this.

      That said, to say it's not a "new" is apparently up for debate based on your definition of "new".

      Is an original iPhone, still in the box, a "new" iPhone? It's not a new iPhone 4, but it's still a new iPhone, isn't it?

      As far as I'm concerned, if they opened the account to test the system, and the money generated wasn't a result of residual income, but was actually a result of them pushing traffic to the product being sold through that CB id, which resulted in the money being generated at the time they're claiming... that's a new account to me.

      Was it opened that day? No, that's not up for debate... but I guess "new" has many definitions on the Warrior Forum.

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      • Profile picture of the author Pnigro
        Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

        Hey all,

        For everyone freaking out about the money showing up so suddenly, through another account... I don't want to give too much away, but Matt's system is mostly about building mailing lists, and promoting offers as an affiliate to your lists... that's what Matt does best.

        You're focusing on the wrong thing here...

        Ok, the account isn't "brand new", but is THAT, of all things, what you're really focused on? If so, you're really missing the point...

        The point of the video was to show something like... <i>here's an account without any money coming in, and look what happens when I put my system into action. </i>

        It was to show that there wasn't recurring income, it wasn't currently selling products, and there was no residual income of any kind...

        It's almost like going to buy a new house, and as the realtor is telling you that the house is riddled with termites, is going to need a new roof, and was the site of a mass murder ... and all you can focus on is a couple of weeds in the front yard.

        Focus on what's important here...

        Thanks & Good Luck,
        Gary Ambrose

        P.S. Yes, Matt probably should have said a "dormant" account, or have opened up a "brand new" account... but would that really matter? The money came in, the products he promoted were sold, and he took home the money he's claiming... the fact that the account was opened a while back is the weeds...

        Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

        LOL...

        Let me ask you this. And this is a serious question...

        If I take a car on a test drive at the dealer, and put a few miles on the car during my test drive... is the car sold to the eventual buyer as new, or used?

        As far as I know, that's still a new car, even though there may have been a few test drives taken on the car. They opened a new account, did a couple of tests to confirm that their system actually works (GASP!), and then showed the results.

        Again, I think people are missing the point...

        This is a new account, as in, it was opened for the purposes to testing this system. It isn't an account that has been accruing residual income for years, which was then presented as new money coming in. That would be a flat out lie, and yes... it has happened on more than one recent product launch... but, not on Matt's.

        Is it new, as in, opened that very day... obviously not, and as savvy as Matt is, I'm sure he knew that people wouldn't think it was an account opened that day. No one who has ever had a CB account would think that the account was opened that day... and Matt knows this.

        That said, to say it's not a "new" is apparently up for debate based on your definition of "new".

        Is an original iPhone, still in the box, a "new" iPhone? It's not a new iPhone 4, but it's still a new iPhone, isn't it?

        As far as I'm concerned, if they opened the account to test the system, and the money generated wasn't a result of residual income, but was actually a result of them pushing traffic to the product being sold through that CB id, which resulted in the money being generated at the time they're claiming... that's a new account to me.

        Was it opened that day? No, that's not up for debate... but I guess "new" has many definitions on the Warrior Forum.

        -Gary
        Are you mentally retarded?

        The money showed in the video came from a product launch not from using the "technology" they are selling.

        It's deception at its best.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
          Originally Posted by Pnigro View Post

          Are you mentally retarded?

          The money showed in the video came from a product launch not from using the "technology" they are selling.

          It's deception at its best.
          Yes, I'm mentally retarded. ( and apparently you're not very sensitive to the use of inappropriate words )

          The technology they're selling is used to build lists, and the money came in as a result of lists they've built using their system... how are the 2 unrelated again?

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          • Profile picture of the author bfas
            Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post

            Yes, I'm mentally retarded. ( and apparently you're not very sensitive to the use of inappropriate words )

            The technology they're selling is used to build lists, and the money came in as a result of lists they've built using their system... how are the 2 unrelated again?

            -G
            Bad choice of words, certainly.

            That said, it seems like you're either way too invested in saving face, or your moral compass really is such that these practices are "ok".

            "The technology they're selling is used to build lists, and the money came in as a result of lists" - that's quite a reach for justification.

            Individual sense of what integrity is aside, here's a good 'thought experiment' - for any product or service pitch:

            If you presented -all- of this to 10 uninvolved random people, how many would say these are mis-representative or misleading practices? 10? And how many non-IM people, getting the 'full disclosure' on the 'new' account, the questionable claims & results, the fake scarcity, etc., would come away from this thinking, wow, this is all pretty shady - 10?

            I think for most people, there's the 'acceptable' threshold - some level of sales spin - but this one simply goes beyond passing the smell test, and just puts a focus on the whole 'say anything' trend that people are increasingly reacting against.

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        • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
          Originally Posted by Pnigro View Post

          Are you mentally retarded?

          The money showed in the video came from a product launch not from using the "technology" they are selling.

          It's deception at its best.

          Ok I get the fact that you're choked but was it really necessary to call Gary Ambrose mentally retarded? And question his morals and ethics? Like come on man, he liked the product obviously, maybe it did something for him, so he promoted it, you don't. I looked at the video, it did nothing for me personally. If you don't have money to "throw away" on a product that might turn out to be "crap" (and I'm not saying this one is, never bought it, because it doesn't interest me) then don't take the risk! I don't buy a lot of products, I don't jump on the latest bandwagon, no matter how many people I know are pushing it. I focus on 3 major things and that's it. This promo clearly came in through a JV and that's why a lot of those guys were promoting it.
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        • Profile picture of the author jrafique
          Originally Posted by Pnigro View Post

          Are you mentally retarded?

          The money showed in the video came from a product launch not from using the "technology" they are selling.

          It's deception at its best.
          This is not good man. Gary is a nice person and you are also playing outside forums policies. Don't bash anyone. This is a product review thread so only discuss that. If any moderator read your words he may disable your account.

          As for as mass money makers product is concerned it is a good product and certainly a way to build your affiliate marketing business. Yeh I mean it because this is the model that is already working for me and earning me 1000's of dollars monthly.
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  • Profile picture of the author coluden
    I suppose that this is a silly question, but is is possible to make big money online as an affiliate marketer without an iota of deception?

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    • Profile picture of the author bfas
      Originally Posted by coluden View Post

      I suppose that this is a silly question, but is is possible to make big money online as an affiliate marketer without an iota of deception?

      coluden
      That's a *great* question, on a whole lot of levels.

      The answer is -yes- and you can look to the very top 'Super Affiliate Marketers' and see what they do. Not the 'big list' affiliates, but the legitimate 'Super Affiliates'.

      Think Rosalind Gardner, Allan Gardyne, etc. They don't promote questionable products, and as a result, not only have fully-intact Sterling reputations, but the people that follow them know they don't have to worry about shady products, practices, 'anything for a buck' tactics, etc.

      Michael

      PS - can't help but mention those mentioned above have chosen to feature & promote our product (sig)...
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  • Profile picture of the author Doiron
    I think drawing a comparison between a new car with a few miles worth of test drives on it and a supposedly new ClickBank account with over a year's history is probably not fair. Kind of a huge difference there.

    We should make an effort to stop unethical sales practices by "voting with our wallet" and refusing to buy these products. And we might consider unsubscribing from lists of marketers who actively push these products. After all, at worst, this speaks to their complicity. At best, it tells us something about their judgment.

    If we don't want to take the time to make our feelings known we should just stop complaining about being taken in by false claims and expect to see more of them in the future. And we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      It isn't that its not a new clickbank account. Its that it sounds like he lied about it.

      And that is what makes every single bit of the rest of it sound bad.
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  • Profile picture of the author EnlightenMind
    Happy new year everyone!

    Has anyone tried this product for over 72 hours? Here is the guarantee. You can ask refund within 60 days though.

    The product has some outrageous claims without disclaimer. I wouldn't be surprised if the FTC comes cracking down on it!

    Prosperity in 2011,
    Milton

    P.S. I wouldn't be surprised that the money from Clickbank was actually generated by all the affiliates promoting it during launch. Also, there is no indication that all the money was from that one piece of software.
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  • Profile picture of the author SamWilsonLaw
    Hopefully they've had a good lawyer review their offer and copy, like big stake direct marketers do.

    These days it's easier to land into a whole lot of hot water with the feds like the FTC. Once they're onto a you (for whatever like complaints), it's an uphill losing battle -- if not one way -- their way.
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  • Profile picture of the author ElaineBaker
    I am getting at least 5-7 emails a day from people advertising this product offering a FREE copy, got to be honest getting really peeved with it all now and there is NO FREE COPY - guess it's just a ploy, have just received another one now advertising it.

    I've opted into a few peoples lists but unfortunately because they are sending me so many emails regarding this product I've opted out, their loss, I have been a faithful subscriber to these lists for a couple of years but do not want to get bombarded by the same product time after time.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheCashWhisperer
      I have to say I agree 100% with Elaine. Great comment, thank you. Seriously, 3 out of every 5 emails I've received the past few days has been about MMM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Waldo
    I got bombarded with emails with this stupid product. I like to subscribe to see whats goin on in the market but this launch is ridiculous. I ask myself a question why would all these guys promote such a cheap product? I wouldn't be surprised if theirs not some major upsells in the back end of this, and its gotta be for some big buck considering the guys promoting this. Alot of the big hitters wont touch it unless its good for over $500 bucks anyone know what the upsells are on this? I have been doing some major unsubscribes due to this product (more then 4 emails = unsubscribe) cant wait for this one to be over
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    I paid for the product to see if it's good to promote to my list,
    I didn't like it and needless to say, I didn't promote it.

    Anyway, I don't recommend it...
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  • Profile picture of the author SShip
    I bought this product as well.

    The only software that comes with it is something that helps you locate keywords. There are 4 training videos, the 4th is very distorted and you aren't able to follow them step by step as you should be able to. I've emailed them about this as they send us emails saying that they listen to there clients and will make changes to make the learning process easier. There are also 2 sections that don't work as of yet, they state they're coming soon. I'm ready to watch them and they're not available. I've paid for this product and can't get access to the things I've paid for. We'll see if they respond. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and give them a chance.

    There are other products that they recommend you get, one being about $1000. Obviously, that's not happening.

    I will say, I do like the keyword software, that's helpful. They also give some helpful tips in areas that I didn't know about because I'm so new at this. I've started to implement the training that I've been allowed to do without all the extra expense and without the missing parts.

    We'll see. I'll let you know how it turns out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doiron
    I thought the software was for keyword research, as described above by Fruzzlies.

    Gary, are you saying that's inaccurate?
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  • Profile picture of the author George Phillip
    Just downloaded and installed the software, so far, I prefer MNF.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
    I'm not going to explain the whole system, but anyone who doesn't do any keyword research before building a list of some kind should probably start thinking about whether or not they have a career in marketing...

    And I'm not so sure it's a stretch. What I think it's a great example of is... Marketing!

    The guys in the Bowflex commercials are ripped models, and the fast food you see in the commercials is prettied up by a food artist for hours before it is filmed... that's how advertising works.

    Advertising typically shows best case, or non-typical scenarios... Marketing is supposed to accentuate the positive, and sell the product. Matt didn't claim that he's reviewing the product... It's not a "Review", it's a SALES video.

    I stand by what I said. The system is about building lists, they made the money using the lists they built. But... there's something I think most people are missing...

    I don't recall Matt saying that the software was "turned on" and them boom... instant money. I clearly recall Matt saying that his strategy, and the technology were used to take this new ClickBank account from nothing, to a lot of money per day.

    That's exactly what happened. (see my earlier post about "new" if you want to question that part)

    There are a lot of people making assumptions based on the what they think they're hearing, or what they want to be hearing... and honestly, that's one of the cornerstones of a great ad... everyone is assuming that he clicked a button on some magic software, and boom, instant money when at no point did he ever say that.

    I don't remember him saying that... and in fact, I just re-watched the 8 minute video, and he doesn't say it one single time.

    He also said that he "didn't think it would do so well", but I don't remember him referring to what "it" was. Maybe he didn't think the offer he was testing with would sell as well as it did... maybe he didn't think the email would generate such a response... maybe he didn't think there would be so many sales a week before Christmas.

    You're the one assuming that the "it" is the software.

    I don't remember him saying... wow, my software made a ton of money in 2 seconds... and I don't remember him saying that because he never does.

    Maybe some of you need to re-watch the video, and listen to the ACTUAL words he's using, instead of putting words into his mouth... when you listen, it's a carefully crafted sales video. No, it doesn't say anything about how much time, effort, or energy was required BEFORE the big day... but I don't recall the Bowflex commercials telling us much about the hours of time in the gym their models spend before getting on set, or the 3-4 week starvation diet they go on before the shoots, or the tanning beds, or makeup artists, or the people standing around with bottles of water to spray on the models making it look like they're sweating.

    I also don't remember seeing a McDonald's commercial with a disclaimer saying that the food on screen is made of plastic, has been worked on by a food artist, and is not likely to look anything like what you're ever going to get when you place an order...

    It's marketing folks. You don't have to like it... well, not unless you plan on being a marketer anyway.

    To wrap this up...

    What I heard Matt say was that he took a new ClickBank account, and using the strategies and software he plans to teach, he made a lot of money.

    Then in the video, you are watching a new ClickBank account go from nothing, to a lot of money... as it says in the headline, and as he said in the video.

    The headline matches the video, which matches what he says. There's nothing misleading about it, not unless you make assumptions...

    Listen closer, and stop reading into the video with biases. Instead of putting words in his mouth, listen to the words he's actually saying... if you do that, you might come away with a different opinion.

    Disclaimer: Coming away with a different opinion will likely mean you're intelligent enough, and open minded enough, not to let any "guru bias" cloud the facts.

    -G

    P.S. Adding a little edit here...

    I have a feeling that a lot of people are letting their judgement of this video be clouded by some of the past products that have clearly been sold using deceptive marketing practices, and outright lies... that's not fair to Matt.

    Finally, there's no question that Matt is an aggressive marketer, and while it may not be your style to market as aggressively as Matt does, it's not right to label aggressive marketing a lie when nothing has been said that is actually a lie.

    Matt's job is to sell the product, a product he believes in, and he's doing so to the best of his ability. You may not like his style of doing so, but there's a big difference in saying you don't like his style, and in saying that he's a deceptive liar. I'd expect a little better on a marketing forum...
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    • Profile picture of the author bfas
      Not fair to Matt? Isn't it his gig, and his marketing?

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    • Profile picture of the author JMSD
      Originally Posted by Gary_The_Ace View Post



      I have a feeling that a lot of people are letting their judgement of this video be clouded by some of the past products that have clearly been sold using deceptive marketing practices, and outright lies... that's not fair to Matt.

      Finally, there's no question that Matt is an aggressive marketer, and while it may not be your style to market as aggressively as Matt does, it's not right to label aggressive marketing a lie when nothing has been said that is actually a lie.

      Matt's job is to sell the product, a product he believes in, and he's doing so to the best of his ability. You may not like his style of doing so, but there's a big difference in saying you don't like his style, and in saying that he's a deceptive liar. I'd expect a little better on a marketing forum...
      Hi

      I cannot understand why a number of Warriors are getting so worked up about a product that is good - have any of you posting negative comments bought and tried the product, as I and others have?

      I agree with Gary that a marketer has the right to advertise his product or services as aggressively as he may choose.

      If the advertising of the product is getting up people's noses, then the solution is easy. Ignore the launch. If there is any misrepresentation of the product, itself, then it would only take one unhappy, paid customer to complain to the appropriate authorities and the product creators would then have to face the consequence. As it is, I don't see what the fuss is all about?

      I've written a detailed and honest review after buying and watching all the videos. http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post3103977

      I'm no newbie nor someone who is sucked into thinking that this or any other product is a "quick fix" to success. Even if I were a newbie, I would not be disappointed with this product because it does what it says on the tin even though it may be "hyped" up in the sales letter or video presentation.

      In any event, I don't know of many people who read the whole of a sales letter - at least, I seldom, if ever, do - I don't have the time. I simply scroll through the "benefits" and if it ticks most of the boxes, then I buy (after visiting WF for honest reviews by actual users of the product). If it doesn't tick any of the important boxes, I don't. I don't believe I have the monopoly for having good sense. Others must do the same and if they feel they are being ripped off, they can demand and get a prompt refund. So why make it a big deal?

      I also agree with another post in which we are reminded that this thread is about a review and not a place for slagging off marketers most of whom are trying to do an honest day's job and producing products and services from which their customers may benefit.

      I'm one happy customer of MMM and grateful to the affiliate who alerted me to it.

      All the same, Happy New Year To You All!

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      • Profile picture of the author 4kgyasi
        Originally Posted by JMSD View Post

        Hi

        I cannot understand why a number of Warriors are getting so worked up about a product that is good - have any of you posting negative comments bought and tried the product, as I and others have?

        I agree with Gary that a marketer has the right to advertise his product or services as aggressively as he may choose.

        If the advertising of the product is getting up people's noses, then the solution is easy. Ignore the launch. If there is any misrepresentation of the product, itself, then it would only take one unhappy, paid customer to complain to the appropriate authorities and the product creators would then have to face the consequence. As it is, I don't see what the fuss is all about?

        I've written a detailed and honest review after buying and watching all the videos. http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post3103977

        I'm no newbie nor someone who is sucked into thinking that this or any other product is a "quick fix" to success. Even if I were a newbie, I would not be disappointed with this product because it does what it says on the tin even though it may be "hyped" up in the sales letter or video presentation.

        In any event, I don't know of many people who read the whole of a sales letter - at least, I seldom, if ever, do - I don't have the time. I simply scroll through the "benefits" and if it ticks most of the boxes, then I buy (after visiting WF for honest reviews by actual users of the product). If it doesn't tick any of the important boxes, I don't. I don't believe I have the monopoly for having good sense. Others must do the same and if they feel they are being ripped off, they can demand and get a prompt refund. So why make it a big deal?

        I also agree with another post in which we are reminded that this thread is about a review and not a place for slagging off marketers most of whom are trying to do an honest day's job and producing products and services from which their customers may benefit.

        I'm one happy customer of MMM and grateful to the affiliate who alerted me to it.

        All the same, Happy New Year To You All!

        James
        James thanks for you input. The marketers have every right to market as aggressively as they can but it doesn't mean they should throw in white lies. Trust is key for me to but a product and all gurus who promote bad products get my axe...I unsubscribe from their email lists.

        Perhaps we could start naming and shaming the bad marketers as someone suggested on the Total Traffic Annihilation thread thus..
        http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post3108081
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  • Profile picture of the author depotgang
    I can assure you that most product owners never use fake stats etc, BUT we are a very busy lot and make mistakes when doing things in a hurry. A real smoooth dudes would not have any "oooops" in their videos etc.

    I know Matt personally and have to say he is a very straight shooter. This clickbank account had to have the benefits of a lot of assets in place before it would generate these results....What I am say is the account may be new, but the sites and what not that generated the result have been in place for some time.

    His techniques are sound...actually his wife does this.

    Good luck everyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author thriftgirl62
      Mass Money Makers, Auto Traffic Avalanche, plus more similar ones

      I did purchase one of them: AUTO MASS TRAFFIC and it does work This is one of the videos from the members area. The sales pages look the same?? Is the software the same too? The video works now. No wonder nobody said whether the software was the same - the video wasn't working!
      http://www.ez-1.net/masstraff

      The point is if they are the same, then the products DO work. It's the salespage that doesn't work. When you have someone like Bill McRhea promoting it with headlines that say how great it is, I think he would know.

      Maybe someone should check and see if they are the same or not?? Besides that, I bought this one from my son and he wouldn't sell his mama junk!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
        Okay so Jason came in and gave his opinion and so did Wille Crawford (whom I alerted personally about this thread) ... my point being, is that so MANY of you were willing to let the BIG GUYS hang out on steak and let them FRY before even contacting them... and this "my assistant" crap has to go ... I know these guys, some have assistants and MOST do not. For future reference DO NOT present a list of names and then execute them at the stake, ASK THEM and seriously this "anti guru" crap (because that's what it is) ... CRAP ... needs to be gone ... check your own attitude at the door, before you go beaking off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doiron
    If we can get back to the actual product and at least temporarily put aside the inaccuracies in the sales copy, I'd like to know a bit more about the software involved.

    So far I've read that it's designed for keyword research but Gary Ambrose suggested that it was for list building.

    Now, I understand that keyword research is necessary for effective list building as Gary has implied (I think you might make a case that all things in IM are related to each other in some way or another) but these are separate functions.

    I know Gary promotes this product so it's to be expected that he knows the details of the software, but can I just get some definitive confirmation from a user?

    I'm not asking anyone "to explain the whole system" - just the purpose of the software. Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author SShip
      The only thing the software does is helps with keywords. You put in the list generated from a free Google tool, you set the parameters and let it run. That's it. There is no other software that comes with this system.
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      • Profile picture of the author rdpayne
        Originally Posted by Fruzzlies View Post

        The only thing the software does is helps with keywords. You put in the list generated from a free Google tool, you set the parameters and let it run. That's it. There is no other software that comes with this system.
        Hi Fruzzlies,

        Can you be a little more specific about what exactly the software does with the keywords?

        --Robert
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        • Profile picture of the author SShip
          Originally Posted by rdpayne View Post

          Hi Fruzzlies,

          Can you be a little more specific about what exactly the software does with the keywords?

          --Robert
          I'll try, but please be patient with me as I'm extremely new at this and still trying to figure it all out myself.

          The software allows you to download the keywords from your computer that you downloaded from the Google tool, you can set your quality score indicator parameters to search within those keywords which ones will work best and for the cheapest price in regards to buying a domain and using as keywords. You can then pick the ones that you like best, sort them, remove words, and make one list of keywords or more depending on what you choose. You can set the parameters that you are looking for, change them, etc.

          So far, the software is what I've found to be the most helpful to me in the training. They show you how to build a website from scratch but the video is very unclear. I don't really know how to put this all together (I'm trying) but following them step-by-step is hard. I've emailed them to let them know you can't see the majority of their screen to get the full training and idea of what they are doing but haven't heard back yet. I'll wait another day or so. I will say, the training is very, very long.

          I think once they fix a couple of the bugs, this product could be pretty good but they have to fix them. I'd like to get what I've paid for.

          When it comes to building your list, they show you how to do the squeeze/opt-in page, but that's in the part of the training that you can't see so you can't fully follow along.

          I'm not sure if this helped. Let me know if there is anything else I can try to answer.

          With Warmest Regards,

          Fruzzlies
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    • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
      Fascinating thread

      Like Jason Moffatt I haven't promoted this product.

      However, I AM registered as an affiliate and I did
      considered promoting it. I didn't promote it because
      I got so wrapped up with other things that I didn't
      get a chance to look at the product thoroughly.

      Like most of the marketer that I know well, I am
      protective of my customers, and the relationships
      that I have with them. So, I do look at every
      product that I promote, which causes me to break
      promises at time. That is, I have told product
      owners that I was tentatively "in" and so they
      may have used my name in conjunction with recruiting
      other affiliates.

      That could explain how my name made it onto that
      list. In that respect, my name wasn't misused...
      and there was no misrepresentation.

      Given that many of you are members of the IM
      community, you certainly appreciate the fact that
      one way to increase the chances of someone
      promoting your product is to promote theirs .
      That's called reciprocity and we do it online
      and offline, in business and in our personal
      lives. When you are asked to consider promoting
      dozens of products some weeks, it does make sense
      to support those who support you.


      Matt does market more aggressively than I do and
      as a result he makes more sales than I do. I
      respect him as a person, and his marketing prowess.
      We each choose the style that we are comfortable
      with.

      As far as the tone or accuracy of the copy,
      marketers with Matt's experience have to be very
      aware of the standards.

      When I look at a product like this as a potential
      customer, I simply ask myself what it does, and if
      it's something that I need. If I buy it, I expect
      it to deliver the results that the copy lead me to
      expect

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
    I'm curious why my name is being mentioned in this thread?

    I did not promote the product. Don't know what the product even is, and have no clue about it what so ever. I've been too busy surfing and preparing for 2011.

    If anyone could alert me where they saw my name as being a partner or anyone mistakingly using my name I'd appreciate it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
      Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

      I'm curious why my name is being mentioned in this thread?

      I did not promote the product. Don't know what the product even is, and have no clue about it what so ever. I've been too busy surfing and preparing for 2011.

      If anyone could alert me where they saw my name as being a partner or anyone mistakingly using my name I'd appreciate it.

      I posted this on my wall last night Jason, so not sure if that's where you saw it ... perhaps someone was picking names out of the JV forums? And know I never got a pitch from you about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
        I am just going to add another comment on this post because I looked it up on the JVNotify forum as a JV alert. First of all, to ridicule Mike Merz in this thread is not cool, Mike and I have been friends for about 10 to 12 years and his business is to put out JV's. And I know for a fact IF someone went to him and said, "hey Mike something is shady about this", he would look into it and you wouldn't get an assistant message (as someone posted earlier) ... what his response would be, I am not at liberty to say, but I do know Mike has an impeccable reputation. Did he send out personal message offering a pitch aside from the JV forum? Definitely not that I am aware of. And you can seriously evaluate Mark Joyner's name being on that list (shoot I'd be here a while naming more) ..Mark RARELY endorses anyone elses products and RARELY sends out pitches.

        There's a lot of people's names on that list that have a lot of integrity, that produce and endorse only quality products and I can name quite a few, so to suggest unsubscribing to their lists or boycotting them is ludacris. If you can't go on the basic fundamentals of HISTORY with a respected marketer (being the foremost) to make a judgement about them over one product you've got issues. I've known a lot of these guys from anywhere .. 10 - 13 years and no I don't buy into everything they pitch at me. But am I going to sit in here, whine and accuse them of scamming me? No I'm not! Everything is a hit and miss in this industry, sometimes we make wrong judgements, we ARE HUMAN!

        It's like walking into a casino, betting all your money, losing it and blaming the casino for YOUR LOSS! Again, if you don't have the money to risk investing into a product knowing it may very well suck, then don't do it! It also appears a lot of you have a lot to learn! You're sitting here bashing a lot of the major players in the industry, where are you going to go for your product and JV launch after you burned so many bridges? I'm not telling you to NOT voice your opinions when something really and truly does "suck ass", by all means do so, but make sure you get your FACTS in order BEFORE you go putting someone's name on a list.
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    • Profile picture of the author bfas
      Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

      I'm curious why my name is being mentioned in this thread?

      I did not promote the product. Don't know what the product even is, and have no clue about it what so ever. I've been too busy surfing and preparing for 2011.

      If anyone could alert me where they saw my name as being a partner or anyone mistakingly using my name I'd appreciate it.
      Too funny...

      No surprise, the JV site is equally misleading - Jason, you are mentioned - along with virtually everyone else, including Mark Joyner, Jon Leger, Willie Crawford, Gary Ambrose, etc... - as someone who is "on board with 100% commitment to this launch" and promoting the product:

      Mass Money Makers JV's: Gain Money. Power. Resect. on Dec. 28th.

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      • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
        Originally Posted by bfas View Post

        Too funny...

        No surprise, the JV site is equally misleading - Jason, you are mentioned - along with virtually everyone else, including Mark Joyner, Jon Leger, Willie Crawford, Gary Ambrose, etc... - as someone who is "on board with 100% commitment to this launch" and promoting the product:

        Mass Money Makers JV's: Gain Money. Power. Resect. on Dec. 28th.

        Michael

        What JV site is misleading?

        EVERYONE know this, people pick out names from JV forums (active posters, high rollers etc.) and them to their list. Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the product owner .. and yeah he may not know but he should damn well know. AND THE MOST IMPORTANT THING ... DO NOT ACCUSE SOMEONE OF SOMETHING ...endorsing a product or otherwise UNTIL YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS IN ORDER! You are tarnishing someone's reputation and whether you like them or not, DO NOT DO IT unless you have YOUR FACTS IN ORDER!
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        • Profile picture of the author bfas
          Originally Posted by Laurie Rogers View Post

          What JV site is misleading?

          EVERYONE know this, people pick out names from JV forums (active posters, high rollers etc.) and them to their list. Don't shoot the messenger, shoot the product owner .. and yeah he may not know but he should damn well know.
          Who's "shooting the messenger"? That's the Mass Money Makers own JV site - not the JV Notify site - with *huge* emphasis on "Check out the Superstars on board with 100% commitment to this launch and promoting the product".

          In other words, "These people are actively promoting our product, why aren't you?"

          Well, apparently not all of them are on board, or even know they are being used as 'references'.

          I'd call that misleading.

          Michael

          PS - Just re-read that prior post, and I see how you might have thought I was suggesting it was the JV Notify guys, not the MMM guys. I wasn't. It's the MMM guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
        Originally Posted by bfas View Post

        Too funny...

        No surprise, the JV site is equally misleading - Jason, you are mentioned - along with virtually everyone else, including Mark Joyner, Jon Leger, Willie Crawford, Gary Ambrose, etc... - as someone who is "on board with 100% commitment to this launch" and promoting the product:

        Mass Money Makers JV's: Gain Money. Power. Resect. on Dec. 28th.

        Michael
        Thanks man.

        Not sure what's up with that. I haven't talked to Matt, or anyone from his team in quite some time. Not sure why they'd make those claims about me promoting, especially since I know nothing about it. I got the JV invite emails, but my inbox is cluttered with those. Looks like they are crushing it though. I'd be willing to bet the product is worth the investment, but the truth is, I haven't paid attention to any IM products in 2010 that I can even remember.

        I reckon I average a JV request or two every single day, so they really pile up. And here's a quick tip for anyone who ever does ask me for a JV mailing...

        One of the worst things you can say in that email is... "So and so is promoting, and so is Guru Cheese D*ck, and Spammer Steve is on board too."

        ... Because in my mind, all that means is that I'm going to have to compete against all kinds of people who have pretty much the same subscribers as I do. So I'm essentially going to give away what good leads I have left, while 10 other dudes can out-bonus whore me and then my people get hammered with bull**** pitches for the next 365 days, all while remembering I'm the one that referred them?

        No thanks.

        I understand people do it for social proof, but it totally loses the sale on me 95% of the time.
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        • Profile picture of the author timber
          As someone who is still relatively green in the IM game, and probably someone who this product is targeted towards, I have to say that I was particularly interested in the claims of MMM. But when they started showing stats from a 'new' account, that went from $0 to $7400+ in 2 or 3 days, then up from there, I was really excited. Then I realized, when all is said and done, they didn't actually explain what the product was, at all.

          Also, the fact that the video mentioned it was 'new' account, when it obviously wasn't, that just bugged me, I mean, how hard is it to start a new account anyway? What's the problem with just making a new account and putting the system to work?

          After reading the reviews however, I still am not sure if the product is good or bad or even what it does. Build list guide, or keyword selection tools...

          Oh yeah, when it comes to the "hurry, only 18 copies left" claims... get over yourself, how stupid do you think the average internet user is? Even my grandmother knew that if something can be downloaded, then there's no limit. No stock, no limit.

          These kind of products just make me realize how far 'marketers' will go to get anyone's money, and to be honest, it makes me kind of mad. I mean, it may very well be a great product... I might help me turn my online efforts around and set me on my merry little way to happiness... but when the video starts off with a lie, even a little white lie, it just makes it all hard to believe.

          just my $0.02...
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        • Profile picture of the author bfas
          Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post


          ...

          One of the worst things you can say in that email is... "So and so is promoting, and so is Guru Cheese D*ck, and Spammer Steve is on board too."

          ... Because in my mind, all that means is that I'm going to have to compete against all kinds of people who have pretty much the same subscribers as I do. So I'm essentially going to give away what good leads I have left, while 10 other dudes can out-bonus whore me and then my people get hammered with bull**** pitches for the next 365 days, all while remembering I'm the one that referred them?

          No thanks.

          I understand people do it for social proof, but it totally loses the sale on me 95% of the time.
          That, my friend, should be framed, and required reading for all affiliate marketers - on both sides of the equation!

          As someone with a product that's also marketed through the channel, I certainly want affiliates to promote it, but if my affiliates can't make money with it, I'm shooting myself in the foot.

          I'm also an affiliate marketer myself, and don't want to burn through my opportunities, making money this month at the expense of next month.

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          • Profile picture of the author Jason Moffatt
            Originally Posted by bfas View Post

            That, my friend, should be framed, and required reading for all affiliate marketers - on both sides of the equation!

            As someone with a product that's also marketed through the channel, I certainly want affiliates to promote it, but if my affiliates can't make money with it, I'm shooting myself in the foot.

            I'm also an affiliate marketer myself, and don't want to burn through my opportunities, making money this month at the expense of next month.

            Michael
            Keep in mind that this is only my opinion for myself. It obviously works well with others and motivates them to promote. It just does the opposite for me. But then again, I'm almost always a contrarian.
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  • Profile picture of the author Netafile
    I've gone through this course and software. Here are my impressions/opinions.

    The software is basically weeding out keywords for offers that are low competition. This can be done using a number of programs, MNF, IMeye, Market Samurai (which was used in one of the videos). I won't give away the exact competition numbers out of deference to Matt and Alan.

    The concept is sound, however, as noted here in earlier posts, the marketing leads one to believe that you purchase the software (whatever it is supposed to do, which is not mentioned) and a day or two later you're pulling down several thousand a day.

    Either those results were created using assets already in place for some time, during a launch or an email campaign (which would fit the sales pattern), or media buys or as someone suggested, maybe a redirection of existing traffic.

    He did say around 1:30 into the sales video, "when we downloaded this we made $138 dollars, which is undeniable proof."

    So I think anyone watching this would be left with the impression that the results were created overnight using "13 clicks," which of course is B.S. He did say "using the techniques you're about to learn," so maybe he did use this method to create the income. Maybe. I think this is certainly misleading. And personally, I don't think misleading is "good marketing."

    Content-wise, I think it's good for the price point. You can certainly make money with this model.

    However, as someone posted earlier, I'm not sure you can attain lasting rankings with a bare-bones squeeze page in Google for any meaningful length of time, particularly these squeeze pages, which have minimal content. Alan says Google isn't using those thousands of manual reviewers anymore, so you can rank with these.

    The audio on the videos were clear, however they (or their team) could have taken the time to zoom and pan for clearer visuals. They just did a webinar full screen, and left it at that. There are many places you can't see what's going on, even at full screen viewing. Maybe the price point was not high enough to bother...

    What is most "amazing" about this product, is how you can take stuff that's been around for years and dress it up into the "next big thing."

    Just my opinion...hope it helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryBurke
    I have bought this product only because it is from Matt Bacak as he is down to earth and always delivers for the newbie.
    I just scrolled down past the screen shots of income as I never believe those anyway and read more of the sales letter then decided that for $37 I might as well have a look at what was offered.just clicking away from the upsells as I was not wanting them.

    As far as a lot of the critics giving their 2 cents worth of the product I suggest you buy it and have a look at what is offered for your hard earned $37
    For the Newbie just starting out there is a lot of very valuable information on video 2
    That would certainly get you on the way to making money.

    Today I recieved an email from one of the promoters of this product offering me an upgrade for free to get some bonuses.
    I had a look at the bonus page and the bonuses offered and what was offered is valued at way more than the $37 I had paid .One of them is Matt Bacak's video "Article Marketing Cash " which I already have and have learned a lot from it as well as other products from Matt.

    Guess what!!!! I have forwarded my clickbank reciept as requested for the bonuses
    so as I said before this product is good for a Newbie just looking to learn how to do something and start to make some money.
    I cannot see how you could not make back your initial purchase in no time.If you have not made back your $37 in a week then maybe you should look for another "J.O.B"
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  • Profile picture of the author Doiron
    Thank you, Fruzzlies, for your quick response to my question. So it isn't list building software after all.

    Surprising that people promoting this product would think that it is.

    I looked at their JV list and was surprised to see nine of my most trusted internet marketers on that list. But then I realized that not one of them sent out emails promoting this product. Big relief there.

    Mind you, there are several on that page who have, in my opinion, behaved badly in the past and have convinced me to unsubscribe from their lists. I unsubscribed from Matt Bacak's list long ago. I don't know enough about Alen Sultanic to make a decision yet.

    So Laurie, I would never suggest that we unsubscribe from all of those marketers. Just the ones that we might feel don't have our interests in mind. I know we all want to make money, but there are ethical boundaries, after all.

    And you'll notice I didn't yell in this post even once.
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