Stripped Down Profits

by Marius Preda 195 replies
Did anybody buy this product from Haley Milano? Any reviews? Thanks.
#internet marketing product reviews & ratings #profits #stripped
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  • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
    A link to the product popped up on my alexa news toolbar...I had never heard of it before then, but wanted to come to the forum to see if anyone was talking about it...

    I watched about 90 seconds of the video and just couldn't watch anymore! That is some really cringe worthy stuff, almost to the extent I had to laugh.

    Sorry, because I know this wasn't a particularly useful reply, but some of 'todays' sales letters are just baffling!

    Anyway, I don't really buy products/courses nowadays, but I saw enough of that sales video to put me off almost immediately.

    If it sounds too good to be true...it's usually a pile of crap.

    PS: Towards the start of the video she says something along the lines of 'she made hundreds of thousands of dollars before she even knew the industry existed'...?? That's just ridiculous!
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    • Profile picture of the author vetteran
      It sounds too good to be true, one click?

      If you had found a way to make a million in 90 days
      or even 180 days, would you sell that for $47?

      There surely will be up-sells.

      350 maximum? Hmm, on jvnotify it says there will be $10,500 in prize
      money for the top promoters.

      No problem with refunds as it's via Clickbank.

      I have the time but I cannot be bothered
      but perhaps a WF member will.

      The "reviews" on-line are about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan Thompson
        It's almost like a spoof video, the 60 seconds I watched were great entertainment, the cringe worthy acting wouldn't be out of place on MTV.

        "the economy hit me a lot harder than everyone else, there's a myth out there that says pretty girls will always have someone out there to take care of them financially"

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  • Profile picture of the author mrpals
    Whats the deal with pitches today? Guru gets people drunk in bars and he spills the beans, Girl catches man with stippers and drugs and he spills the beans. Do these guys use the same BS template?

    Haley sorry hun, but you didn't hook me on that sales pitch. Now Im certainly not saying you are not a good hooker cause Im sure you are but your cheesy sales pitch didn't hook me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
      I love it!! Hilarious!!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Haley of course is fictional...Unless OT had a sex change
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

        I love it!! Hilarious!!!
        I just got a promo from you with your hoplink. Does that mean you're recommending it?

        Who do you think it would be best for?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

          I just got a promo from you with your hoplink. Does that mean you're recommending it?

          Who do you think it would be best for?
          At first when I saw the sales page I thought it was a joke, but then I got an insider's note into the product. Its freaking good stuff! Did you buy it?

          Beginners to intermediates to so so advanced..
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          • Profile picture of the author psresearch
            Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

            At first when I saw the sales page I thought it was a joke, but then I got an insider's note into the product. Its freaking good stuff! Did you buy it?

            Beginners to intermediates to so so advanced..
            Not yet. I often go off of Jeremy's reviews for this stuff because he tends to do a GREAT job separating the sales letter hype from the worth of the actual product. In other words he's recommended many products where the sales letter was completely overhyped and full of lies - because he looks at the value of product.

            So I figured this product wasn't worth paying attention to since he stated in his review:

            "My stripped down profits review isn’t:
            • GOOD
            • EXCELLENT
            • COMPLIMENTARY
            • POSITIVE
            You’re dying to know, right? - IT SUCKS!

            Well, not really a whole lot left to say here…Stripped down profits is more or less another sham…it’s nothing new, and probably not anything that you don’t already have on your hard drive. If you were smart, you would unsubscribe from any list that recommended this product to you, and send ClickBank and email to tell that they are stupid…In a nice way of course."

            The email I got from you just said:
            "You have GOT to see this, it is the most RIDICULOUS sales page
            I have EVER seen.

            LOL!!

            Can you believe this?"

            So I assumed you were making fun of it, but then I saw your hoplink and figured you were recommending it. Do you have a review of the product up?
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            • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
              Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

              So I assumed you were making fun of it, but then I saw your hoplink and figured you were recommending it. Do you have a review of the product up?
              Yeah I was hesitant to send that one out because it has like cocaine & stuff on the sales page LOL but I definitely wanted my subscribers to check it out for educational purposes and after I found out the actual product is licensed from a very "ethical" marketer, and very good instruction. The sales page however is NUTS but I unlike alot of the other "reviewers" out there put most stock into the CONTENT not the cover of the book, DVD, movie, video game etc.

              Unlike books where you can just pick it up and start reading it, you need to hide the content or no one will buy and would just gank it for free. Remember Napster? And how upset metallica got? This is a catch 22 and a double edged sword because regardless it will become a matter of content anyway.

              The best reviews are where the person doing it touches on the content at least 50%. He should also demo the product.

              When I do reviews of products I always demo it. If I cant demo it, it sucks.

              Who cares what the front end is. This is advanced internet marketing, not work at home.

              But yeah, freakin hilarious sales page.
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              • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                Yeah I was hesitant to send that one out because it has like cocaine & stuff on the sales page LOL but I definitely wanted my subscribers to check it out for educational purposes and after I found out the actual product is licensed from a very "ethical" marketer, and very good instruction. The sales page however is NUTS but I unlike alot of the other "reviewers" out there put most stock into the CONTENT not the cover of the book, DVD, movie, video game etc.

                Unlike books where you can just pick it up and start reading it, you need to hide the content or no one will buy and would just gank it for free. Remember Napster? And how upset metallica got? This is a catch 22 and a double edged sword because regardless it will become a matter of content anyway.

                The best reviews are where the person doing it touches on the content at least 50%. He should also demo the product.

                When I do reviews of products I always demo it. If I cant demo it, it sucks.

                Who cares what the front end is. This is advanced internet marketing, not work at home.

                But yeah, freakin hilarious sales page.
                "Who cares what the front end is. This is advanced internet marketing, not work at home."

                Can you explain a bit more about that? "Front end" is kind of a nebulous term.

                I'll have to look at some of the reviews again in light of your 50% content remark and see if the reviewers actually did demo the product.

                Also, why would you have to hide an amazing piece of software? That doesn't make any sense - unless it's something you can get all over the place. In fact it makes less sense than hiding what's in an eBook or something along those lines. Especially since currently you can still more easily control licensing and registration of software more easily than you can eBooks.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                  Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                  "Who cares what the front end is. This is advanced internet marketing, not work at home."

                  Can you explain a bit more about that? "Front end" is kind of a nebulous term.

                  I'll have to look at some of the reviews again in light of your 50% content remark and see if the reviewers actually did demo the product.
                  Im doing a video review right now..
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                  • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                    Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                    Im doing a video review right now..
                    Cool. Thx.

                    Can you explain what "Front End" means in the statement:

                    "Who cares what the front end is. This is advanced internet marketing, not work at home."

                    In marketing "Front End" usually means the product before the upsells, downsells, continuity, backend, etc.

                    Is that what you mean?
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              • Profile picture of the author Rhys Davies
                That person obviously isn't very "ethical" if he's allowing someone to sell it this way.

                Just because the content may be amazing, doesn't mean you can lie and con people to make the sale.

                It's kind of like me dressing as a doctor and saying that if you eat fruit and veg every day, you will never get an illness again.

                But those lie's don't matter because at the end of the day fruit and veg is good for you? They are valuable stuff, you're going to get amazing health benefits from eating them.

                * I've never seen the product itself, so I can't say if the content is actually good or not. I think it's actually irrelevant.

                Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                Yeah I was hesitant to send that one out because it has like cocaine & stuff on the sales page LOL but I definitely wanted my subscribers to check it out for educational purposes and after I found out the actual product is licensed from a very "ethical" marketer, and very good instruction. The sales page however is NUTS but I unlike alot of the other "reviewers" out there put most stock into the CONTENT not the cover of the book, DVD, movie, video game etc.

                Unlike books where you can just pick it up and start reading it, you need to hide the content or no one will buy and would just gank it for free. Remember Napster? And how upset metallica got? This is a catch 22 and a double edged sword because regardless it will become a matter of content anyway.

                The best reviews are where the person doing it touches on the content at least 50%. He should also demo the product.

                When I do reviews of products I always demo it. If I cant demo it, it sucks.

                Who cares what the front end is. This is advanced internet marketing, not work at home.

                But yeah, freakin hilarious sales page.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                  Originally Posted by Rhys Davies View Post

                  It's kind of like me dressing as a doctor and saying that if you eat fruit and veg every day, you will never get an illness again.

                  But those lie's don't matter because at the end of the day fruit and veg is good for you? They are valuable stuff, you're going to get amazing health benefits from eating them.
                  Yes, fruit & vegies are good for you. lol

                  Originally Posted by Rhys Davies View Post

                  * I've never seen the product itself, so I can't say if the content is actually good or not. I think it's actually irrelevant.
                  It is actually relevant.

                  Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                  In marketing "Front End" usually means the product before the upsells, downsells, continuity, backend, etc.

                  Is that what you mean?
                  Paul, "Front end" as in sales page. It does matter of course outside of clickbank approval (In my opinion) Its just really pushing it to the limit in advertising. The product and sales pages have both an effect on the refund rates. Its a balancing act. This one isn't too lopsided, but its an "easy" target.

                  Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                  Also, why would you have to hide an amazing piece of software? That doesn't make any sense - unless it's something you can get all over the place. In fact it makes less sense than hiding what's in an eBook or something along those lines. Especially since currently you can still more easily control licensing and registration of software more easily than you can eBooks.
                  Ask a movie theatre why you have to buy a ticket and cant see the movie first, then buy it. What if the movie sucks?

                  The preview was misleading!! I thought it was a comedy! OMG!!!!

                  Yep, the grandma with the 5 year old that brought him to see "BRUNO" and it scared the child for life is now trying to sue Fandango and does not get anywhere.

                  At least with clickbank, unlike most retailers you can get your money back within 60 days.

                  Ive got the review coming, its exporting. Itll be in three parts.. (I think)
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                  • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                    Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                    Yes, fruit & vegies are good for you. lol



                    It is actually relevant.



                    Paul, "Front end" as in sales page. It does matter of course outside of clickbank approval (In my opinion) Its just really pushing it to the limit in advertising. The product and sales pages have both an effect on the refund rates. Its a balancing act. This one isn't too lopsided, but its an "easy" target.



                    Ask a movie theatre why you have to buy a ticket and cant see the movie first, then buy it. What if the movie sucks?

                    The preview was misleading!! I thought it was a comedy! OMG!!!!

                    Yep, the grandma with the 5 year old that brought him to see "BRUNO" and it scared the child for life is now trying to sue Fandango and does not get anywhere.

                    At least with clickbank, unlike most retailers you can get your money back within 60 days.

                    Ive got the review coming, its exporting. Itll be in three parts.. (I think)
                    I'm not sure if that's a great analogy. The standard in the software industry is actually allow people to trial periods for software to confirm that the software does NOT suck.

                    And if the software that does all these amazing things doesn't suck, then why would someone complain and return it after trying it? Wouldn't they actually want to keep it?

                    And isn't offering samples one of the most powerful, proven ways of marketing certain types of products - especially software?
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                      Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                      I'm not sure if that's a great analogy. The standard in the software industry is actually allow people to trial periods for software to confirm that the software does NOT suck.

                      And if the software that does all these amazing things doesn't suck, then why would someone complain and return it after trying it? Wouldn't they actually want to keep it?

                      And isn't offering samples one of the most powerful, proven ways of marketing certain types of products - especially software?
                      Again, tell that to the Guru that charges $1997 for a course without a refund.

                      The analogy is effective but much worse of a consequence and an example of purchasing something without a refund. Have you ever seen the complaints for companies like Bestbuy? Staggering. But since its digital, intellectual property value is not recognized on most marketplaces. I know myself personally, I had to sacrifice my intellectual property value a long time ago to reach my level of success online.

                      On the other hand, Clickbank does trials, it is effective. I know I myself use them. Alot of the time the typical CB vendor will have the ability to do a trial version.

                      My review will be up shortly.
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                      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                        Again, tell that to the Guru that charges $1997 for a course without a refund.

                        The analogy is effective but much worse of a consequence and an example of purchasing something without a refund. Have you ever seen the complaints for companies like Bestbuy? Staggering. But since its digital, intellectual property value is not recognized on most marketplaces. I know myself personally, I had to sacrifice my intellectual property value a long time ago to reach my level of success online.

                        On the other hand, Clickbank does trials, it is effective. I know I myself use them. Alot of the time the typical CB vendor will have the ability to do a trial version.

                        My review will be up shortly.
                        No doubt that there are worse scenarios - even beyond the $1,997 scenario (i.e., what about the $10K to $20K fake coaching).

                        I'm not sure if "it could be worse" is a great argument though:
                        http://www.despair.com/complaints.html

                        Also, if offering free trial software is such a horrible idea, why does it appear to be the standard way of doing business in that marketplace? Unless the person developing the software wasn't sophisticated enough to build in licensing keys, etc. which would seem odd to me.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                          I'm not sure if "it could be worse" is a great argument though:
                          Complaints
                          ROFL!!! THAT WAS AWESOME.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                            Here's the thing...

                            In the past couple months, I've done some reviews of products that were "bad", right...my reviews are based on what I think I'm getting when I buy the product.

                            So, in the case of Stripped Down Profits, I was sold "a never before seen software" that was going to have me stuffing my pockets with cash...what I actually got was a site creator.

                            The site creator itself DOES WORK WELL
                            The information in the course IS GOOD INFORMATION

                            ...but that isn't what was advertised.

                            If this was advertised as a piece of software that could help newb - intermediate marketers create a website in 5 minutes with full training to drive traffic and get conversions...My review of the product would have been - GO BUY IT!

                            The thing that pisses me off the most is that when products are advertised like this, it makes it harder to sell ANYTHING on the internet - ANYTHING. Not only internet marketing products, but ANYTHING.

                            You can't go to a forum, or anywhere else where people hang out anymore and not see threads and discussions about people being ripped off, cheated, and scammed...and the kind of advertising that we are seeing lately perpetuates that.

                            There have been 100 launches and really only something like 4 products sold...

                            If the sales letter says that it is a push button software, you can pretty much bank on the fact that you are going to end up getting:

                            A software that does social bookmarking, directory submissions, a site creator, or something else like it - and I think we all know that NOBODY is making bank by submitting their sites to digg, submitting their sites to directories, or churning out sites with a huge footprint...

                            Advertising is advertising, but some of the stuff lately has been at BEST borderline criminal.

                            Look at how the "big dawgs" launch their stuff...the Kerns, Walkers, Reeses, etc...After you read one of their sales pages...at least you know what you're getting. The stuff that is getting pushed out lately isn't going to accomplish anything except for some short term financial gains, a TON of refunds, making the market jaded and more than likely getting organizations like the FTC looking over all of our shoulders.
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                            • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post


                              Advertising is advertising, but some of the stuff lately has been at BEST borderline criminal.

                              Look at how the "big dawgs" launch their stuff...the Kerns, Walkers, Reeses, etc...After you read one of their sales pages...at least you know what you're getting. The stuff that is getting pushed out lately isn't going to accomplish anything except for some short term financial gains, a TON of refunds, making the market jaded and more than likely getting organizations like the FTC looking over all of our shoulders.
                              This is why if the FTC goes after anybody/company they should be going after the AFFILIATE NETWORKS/JV BROKERS who are the key players in facilitating MASSIVE distribution of products using these types of sales pages.

                              Going after vendors/affiliates is just wrong-headed and impotent. Like you said, all that happens is that one vendor after another comes out selling the same product under a different name through the SAME distribution channel.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                                Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                                This is why if the FTC goes after anybody/company they should be going after the AFFILIATE NETWORKS/JV BROKERS who are the key players in facilitating MASSIVE distribution of products using these types of sales pages.

                                Going after vendors/affiliates is just wrong-headed and impotent. Like you said, all that happens is that one vendor after another comes out selling the same product under a different name through the SAME distribution channel.
                                They go after vendors too.. The cases I have seen lately were SERIOUSLY criminal. EVERY case I see DESERVES IT BIG TIME.
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                                • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                                  Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                                  They go after vendors too.. The cases I have seen lately were SERIOUSLY criminal. EVERY case I see DESERVES IT BIG TIME.
                                  I'm not saying they don't go after vendors. That's what they have TRADITIONALLY done. But they are getting smarter and realizing that going after vendors is a losing battle - that they need to target the DISTRIBUTION Channels - especially in cases where the companies behind the means of distribution KNOW and UNDERSTAND what is going through their distribution channels.

                                  And if anybody's wondering - I'm not a huge fan of regulation/law enforcement. But I DO think we're MUCH better off explaining to them "what's what" - putting in comments, etc. - when it comes to affiliate marketing/internet marketing then just letting them "try to figure it out on their own".
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                  • Profile picture of the author Rhys Davies
                    I can't tell if your actually being serious or not.

                    I mean the Salespage is illegal, and from what I can see - you seem to be saying that it's OK to do so aslong as the product itself is good.

                    Even if it wasn't illegal, it's still a pretty low-ball scummy way of selling.

                    Don't understand how anyone can agree with it.

                    Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                    Yes, fruit & vegies are good for you. lol



                    It is actually relevant.



                    Paul, "Front end" as in sales page. It does matter of course outside of clickbank approval (In my opinion) Its just really pushing it to the limit in advertising. The product and sales pages have both an effect on the refund rates. Its a balancing act. This one isn't too lopsided, but its an "easy" target.



                    Ask a movie theatre why you have to buy a ticket and cant see the movie first, then buy it. What if the movie sucks?

                    The preview was misleading!! I thought it was a comedy! OMG!!!!

                    Yep, the grandma with the 5 year old that brought him to see "BRUNO" and it scared the child for life is now trying to sue Fandango and does not get anywhere.

                    At least with clickbank, unlike most retailers you can get your money back within 60 days.

                    Ive got the review coming, its exporting. Itll be in three parts.. (I think)
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          • Profile picture of the author Dan Thompson
            I've actually written a blog post about the shenanigans, and as well as the stuff already mentioned in this thread, I made an amazing discovery....

            HALEY MILANO OWNS THE MOST EXPENSIVE HOUSE EVER SOLD IN BROOKLYN!!!

            http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/re...eal1.html?_r=1



            And my blog post, if self pimpage is allowed:

            Stripped Down Profits Review : The El Passo Blog
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          • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
            Originally Posted by cimbah View Post

            I'm not a prude and I consider myself very open-minded but as a woman in this business, the marketing presentation was a complete turn off. I don't care if the software works or not, I'm not going to buy something that is presented in such a pitiful way.

            It is true that in some instances sex sells, but for an IM product? Really? Maybe the target audience is a bunch of hormonal boys but certainly not anyone who is serious about IM, especially women. The bimbo approach just doesn't work, at least for me.
            I agree!! Who is going to fall for this? And I am not easily insulted as well - I was not insulted by the sex stuff - if you got it flaunt it, but the way she put women in a "bimbo" light and that if you just flaunt your stuff you can get people to sell their dirty little secrets! And just insulted as an honest IM - this makes the IM world look like a complete JOKE!!

            Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

            cimbah

            But then there are going to be people on the complete other side of the spectrum who like it.

            Anytime you add SEX into the equation you are going to get a wide range of responses. However his sales copy is converting. So he must have done something right and as I said before we are talking just as much about the way he is selling the product as much as whether the software works and it does.


            Tim
            Even if you are so "blinded" by the sex, who would actually FALL for that?? I tell you who - desperate newbies who are caught in these bad economic times! The message obviously preys on them - and that is dirty! Basically, the message is -- "you don't have to know ANYTHING about this business, all you do is buy this dirty little secret that I had to threaten BLACKMAIL to get, press a button and you can just spend you days shopping while thousands roll in daily!" - COME ON!!

            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            Of course it is...

            If I had a broken down 1982 Ford Pinto I wanted to sell, but listed it in craigslist as a 2011 Lambo, I'm sure I could sell it all day long.

            It's easy to sell things if you are as deceitful as you can possibly be...
            Yes, also known as used car salesmen - HA! Not really high on the ethical and honest salesmen list. I agree - it is shady and deceitful.

            Originally Posted by John Reed View Post


            That, in my book, is not something that should get past Clickbank authorisation. It's a fabricated pack of lies - put across as being facts!

            I resent being "pitched to" in such a blatantly untruthful way, and I will (am) unsubscribing from those that try to send me to it..................

            John O'York
            Good point! How did Clickbank approve this? Probably once you are a high-selling guru, they don't scrutinize as much.

            The whole thing played like a joke or a spoof to me. Yet, sad at the same time.
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          • Profile picture of the author psresearch
            Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

            At first when I saw the sales page I thought it was a joke, but then I got an insider's note into the product. Its freaking good stuff! Did you buy it?

            Beginners to intermediates to so so advanced..
            OK. So I watched your video and you're opinion in the video doesn't seem like it matches up to what you said in your statement above, so I probably misunderstood what you meant by that statement.

            I've pulled out what I thought were the relevant parts of your videos, because they seemed kind of long and full of quite a bit of dead space where not much was happening.

            My takeaways from your video were the following...

            Here's in essence what you said about the software:
            "This is cool. You can edit a website. You can use this as a template.
            It's like basic templates and stuff. The software - I mean you could make something out of it."

            About the traffic training:
            "Tried to go find traffic training - we're crap out of luck.
            We don't get automatic traffic because we didn't buy the upsell."

            Although I did recall you giving a few traffic tips in the video, like this one:
            "Then you should go to adwords or something - like the keyword tool, right. And and use the keyword tool and do some articles for these keywords."

            And then this one later one:
            "It's not going to do anything without traffic. So yeh. Hit up Google keyword tool. Find out what keywords to target. Post some articles (snaps fingers). Step it up. You know. Once you do start building lists. Once you start to see people opt in. Keep doing that. Build up the email list, because you're going to start to really make money(?) when you start mailing out to your list - that's when the big money comes.

            I mean you might make 1 or 2 sales here and there like if you get - if something happens to this page like your article at go articles or you do like Yahoo answers and you get a whole bunch of people clicking on it."

            And then towards the end of the page you summed up some of the pieces that the main Stripped Down products left out with these tips:
            • Get some traffic
            • Build a list
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            • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
              Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

              OK. So I watched your video and you're opinion in the video doesn't seem like it matches up to what you said in your statement above, so I probably misunderstood what you meant by that statement.

              I've pulled out what I thought were the relevant parts of your videos, because they seemed kind of long and full of quite a bit of dead space where not much was happening.

              Are you serious??

              You were the one that inspired me to do that review, and you try to call me out on it? It's a review where I buy the product in front of your eyes and actually demonstrate it. Where else do you find that. And all through gave you my honest opinion which is totally non-bias? Not good or bad, just an honest but positive outlook like you should have in business. Really.. You just let the cat out of the bag that this is not an intelligent and fair discussion.
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              • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                Are you serious??
                Yes. I am serious. You said the product was freaking awesome - but then in the video you said it was basic templates.

                That's why I was asking you to correct my notes about your review. I feel like I took really good notes (I pretty much transcribed all 3 videos, but just laid out what seemed to be the most relevant parts).
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                • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                  Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                  I pretty much transcribed all 3 videos
                  That is an absurd exaggeration. There is 25 minutes of review. If you transcribed all of the video you would add 5 pages to this thread.

                  And taking my words out of context? I said it was "freaking awesome?" Yeah, one part of the product in the video. The "basic template" analysis was another part of the product in the video as well.

                  Next time maybe try not to transcribe only bits and pieces to support an argument you are trying to make. I demoed the software, liked some parts, didnt like others and you are upset about what? Unbelievable.
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                  • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                    Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                    That is an absurd exaggeration. There is 25 minutes of review. If you transcribed all of the video you would add 5 pages to this thread.

                    And taking my words out of context? I said it was "freaking awesome?" Yeah, one part of the product in the video. The "basic template" analysis was another part of the product in the video as well.

                    Next time maybe try not to transcribe only bits and pieces to support an argument you are trying to make. I demoed the software, liked some parts, didnt like others and you are upset about what? Unbelievable.

                    I should have listened to the review several times before posting. You're right. That wasn't fair.


                    But you and I have always had good discussions/debates before and always worked it all out in the end.

                    As far as the transcribing. There were a lot of "likes" and "I knows". I just took out pieces I thought were relevant. I wasn't trying to take anything out of context. I was just trying to make sure I understood what you were saying in the review.

                    Now that I think about it - probably the BIG and maybe most IMPORTANT part of your review I didn't mention was where you talk about the ability to modify the templates and use those. And you did mention the 2,000 PLR articles included.

                    So, now I know that I obviously completely misunderstood the review, which is all I was asking for you to clarify for me. I'll go back so I can find out what part of the product you thought was so awesome. I guess I don't remember that part for some reason.

                    I definitely need to go back and listen in light of what you've told me here.

                    As for what I transcribed, this is what I have right now in notepad, but it sounds like maybe it's not accurate?

                    Product is Licensed from a Really good teacher.
                    Insane at marketing.

                    1-Click Software

                    Click on a template to start.
                    "That's not bad"

                    I can use the source code of this for a template.

                    Download page to stripdown.zip

                    PLR for affiliates - then survival of the fittest.
                    Then all you have to do is send traffic to it.

                    Tried to go find traffic training - we're crap out of luck.
                    We don't get automatic traffic because we didn't buy the upsell.
                    =============
                    You have to have a lot of computer experience.
                    (note: my question - Does he cover basics in the course?)
                    ====
                    I should watch these videos. I started to do it without watching
                    the videos.
                    ===
                    This is cool. You can edit a website. You can use this as a template.
                    It's like basic templates and stuff.

                    The software - I mean you could make something out of it.
                    ====
                    I would check out all of these, man. All these videos and stuff.
                    ====
                    I knew prior to this review that my man was involved in it. And I didn't
                    know when I saw the sales page I thought it was, like, some bull****, but then I saw, you know, I talked to my man and he was like, well now you know that, you know I'm all up in there.

                    And I was like, "for real?"

                    And he was like, "Yeh, I don't know about the sales page, but, you know, it's definitely like a lot of my methods in there. It's licensed.

                    So, that's why I decided to do it.

                    I mean the software. I mean, I mean with those, with those templates that we're doing.

                    I mean I got my page - remember that? I don't know. Maybe it. I mean I didn't even copy that URL down.
                    ---
                    Then you should go to adwords or something - like the keyword tool, right. And and use the keyword tool and do some articles for these keywords.
                    ---
                    get some traffic
                    build a list
                    =================
                    It's not going to do anything without traffic. So yeh. Hit up Google keyword tool. Find out what keywords to target. Post some articles (snaps fingers). Step it up. You know. Once you do start building lists. Once you start to see people opt in. Keep doing that. Build up the email list,
                    because you're going to start to really make money(?) when you start mailing out to your list - that's when the big money comes.

                    I mean you might make 1 or 2 sales here and there like if you get - if something happens to this page like your article at go articles or you do like Yahoo answers and you get a whole bunch of people clicking on it.

                    But like the main thing that you really should want is those opt ins through your list. Log in
                    =================

                    Hopefully those pages came in zip - I mean if you wanted to change it up.
                    ---------------------
                    So - I'm thinking that since I didn't transcribe any more after that maybe that's where the meat of the review is.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                      Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                      Well, I'd say the majority of it. There were a lot of "likes" and "I knows". I just took out pieces I thought were relevant. I wasn't trying to take anything out of context. I was just trying to make sure I understood what you were saying in the review.

                      Now that I think about it - probably the BIG and maybe most IMPORTANT part of your review I didn't mention was where you talk about the ability to modify the templates and use those. And you did mention the 2,000 PLR articles included.

                      So, now I know that I obviously completely misunderstood the review, which is all I was asking for you to clarify for me. I'll go back so I can find out what part of the product you thought was so awesome. I guess I don't remember that part for some reason.

                      I definitely need to go back and listen in light of what you've told me here.

                      As for what I transcribed, this is what I have right now in notepad, but it sounds like maybe it's not accurate?

                      Product is Licensed from a Really good teacher.
                      Insane at marketing.

                      1-Click Software

                      Click on a template to start.
                      "That's not bad"

                      I can use the source code of this for a template.

                      Download page to stripdown.zip

                      PLR for affiliates - then survival of the fittest.
                      Then all you have to do is send traffic to it.

                      Tried to go find traffic training - we're crap out of luck.
                      We don't get automatic traffic because we didn't buy the upsell.
                      =============
                      You have to have a lot of computer experience - untrue.
                      Does he cover basics in the course?
                      ====
                      I should watch these videos. I started to do it without watching
                      the videos.
                      ===
                      This is cool. You can edit a website. You can use this as a template.
                      It's like basic templates and stuff.

                      The software - I mean you could make something out of it.
                      ====
                      I would check out all of these, man. All these videos and stuff.
                      ====
                      I knew prior to this review that my man was involved in it. And I didn't
                      know when I saw the sales page I thought it was, like, some bull****, but then I saw, you know, I talked to my man and he was like, well now you know that, you know I'm all up in there.

                      And I was like, "for real?"

                      And he was like, "Yeh, I don't know about the sales page, but, you know, it's definitely like a lot of my methods in there. It's licensed.

                      So, that's why I decided to do it.

                      I mean the software. I mean, I mean with those, with those templates that we're doing.

                      I mean I got my page - remember that? I don't know. Maybe it. I mean I didn't even copy that URL down.
                      ---
                      Then you should go to adwords or something - like the keyword tool, right. And and use the keyword tool and do some articles for these keywords.
                      ---
                      get some traffic
                      build a list
                      =================
                      It's not going to do anything without traffic. So yeh. Hit up Google keyword tool. Find out what keywords to target. Post some articles (snaps fingers). Step it up. You know. Once you do start building lists. Once you start to see people opt in. Keep doing that. Build up the email list,
                      because you're going to start to really make money(?) when you start mailing out to your list - that's when the big money comes.

                      I mean you might make 1 or 2 sales here and there like if you get - if something happens to this page like your article at go articles or you do like Yahoo answers and you get a whole bunch of people clicking on it.

                      But like the main thing that you really should want is those opt ins through your list. Log in
                      =================

                      Hopefully those pages came in zip - I mean if you wanted to change it up.
                      ---------------------
                      So - I'm thinking that since I didn't transcribe any more after that maybe that's where the meat of the review is.


                      Yes, thanks. Fair enough. ANyhow, looks like they closed down or something. What do you expect with cocaine on a sales page. lol

                      P.S: This transcription is hilarious. Good work bro. (Seriously, thats good transcription.)

                      Whats this mean though? "it's definitely like a lot of my methods in there." I dont think I said that.
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                      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                        Yes, thanks. Fair enough. ANyhow, looks like they closed down or something. What do you expect with cocaine on a sales page. lol

                        P.S: This transcription is hilarious. Good work bro. (Seriously, thats good transcription.)
                        Speaking of which - it said the launch was supposed to go to the 15th? Are affiliates getting credited for anything that gets promoted from the optin list that all their leads are going to now?

                        And were affiliates notified that the page was shutting down?
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                          Speaking of which - it said the launch was supposed to go to the 15th? Are affiliates getting credited for anything that gets promoted from the optin list that all their leads are going to now?

                          And were affiliates notified that the page was shutting down?
                          I have no idea. I was going to post those video reviews but I stopped because its not even there anymore. LOL Something went screwy.

                          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                          It's where you were quoting something "your man" (I assume that means "mentor"?) said. I'll double check on that and get you the timestamp.

                          It's in Video 2: 3'53" It's during the part where your mentor/man was talking to you and said: "And he was like, "Yeh, I don't know about the sales page, but, you know, it's definitely like a lot of my methods in there. It's licensed."
                          Oh I thought you meant "I" as in me. Yes that was a quote from "my man."

                          Always a good discussion. Thanks and sorry for the misunderstanding.
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                      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                        Yes, thanks. Fair enough. ANyhow, looks like they closed down or something. What do you expect with cocaine on a sales page. lol

                        P.S: This transcription is hilarious. Good work bro. (Seriously, thats good transcription.)

                        Whats this mean though? "it's definitely like a lot of my methods in there." I dont think I said that.
                        It's where you were quoting something "your man" (I assume that means "mentor"?) said. I'll double check on that and get you the timestamp.

                        It's in Video 2: 3'53"
                        It's during the part where your mentor/man was talking to you and said:
                        "And he was like, "Yeh, I don't know about the sales page, but, you know, it's definitely
                        like a lot of my methods in there. It's licensed."
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              • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

                Are you serious??

                You were the one that inspired me to do that review, and you try to call me out on it? It's a review where I buy the product in front of your eyes and actually demonstrate it. Where else do you find that. And all through gave you my honest opinion which is totally non-bias? Not good or bad, just an honest but positive outlook like you should have in business. Really.. You just let the cat out of the bag that this is not an intelligent and fair discussion.
                Somehow it seems like you missed my main question or concern which was that you stated before the review that the product was "freaking awesome" and then within the review that the product was "basic templates".

                But I kind of see where you're coming from now I think. Now that you've done the review, obviously your most accurate evaluation of the product is what you expressed in the review.

                I think I just got confused because I was expecting the product to be truly amazing for some reason.

                But maybe it's not fair, because I've been developing my own marketing software for 11 years, including sites that autobuild Joomla sites post out mashed snippets of the Joomla content published that day automatically to randomly selected blogs, link back to the Joomla site to the posts & categories where the content came from, then autobookmarking the blogs that the mashed content was posted to. And I co-built some of the original Adwords tools and WordPress plugins.

                It's probably just a matter of forgetting how to look at things from a newbie's perspective.

                Maybe to a newbie this would be a super-amazing product. It's hard for me to imagine that it would. But again, I probably have a skewed viewpoint.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
                  Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                  Somehow it seems like you missed my main question or concern which was that you stated before the review that the product was "freaking awesome" and then within the review that the product was "basic templates".

                  But I kind of see where you're coming from now I think. Now that you've done the review, obviously your most accurate evaluation of the product is what you expressed in the review.

                  I think I just got confused because I was expecting the product to be truly amazing for some reason.

                  But maybe it's not fair, because I've been developing my own marketing software for 11 years, including sites that autobuild Joomla sites post out mashed snippets of the Joomla content published that day automatically to randomly selected blogs, link back to the Joomla site to the posts & categories where the content came from, then autobookmarking the blogs that the mashed content was posted to. And I co-built some of the original Adwords tools and WordPress plugins.

                  It's probably just a matter of forgetting how to look at things from a newbie's perspective.

                  Maybe to a newbie this would be a super-amazing product. It's hard for me to imagine that it would. But again, I probably have a skewed viewpoint.


                  Dude, you totally attacked me after I did a 25 minute review for you.

                  And then ontop of that you really really took alot of what I said out of context to suit some argument you were having with yourself and I did not even think we were debating it.

                  The one portion of the product is awesome as I explain in the review. And I know you saw it because I re-iterated what I said TWICE and you acknowledged it. I stated "Its freaking good stuff" in this thread, then in the video I explain WHAT is good stuff. Then I tell you what is bad stuff, etc.

                  Nice.
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                • Profile picture of the author Martin Brock
                  Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

                  It's probably just a matter of forgetting how to look at things from a newbie's perspective.

                  Maybe to a newbie this would be a super-amazing product. It's hard for me to imagine that it would. But again, I probably have a skewed viewpoint.
                  Pure gold Paul.

                  And for the record, you don't have a skewed viewpoint. This product is a piece of garbage.

                  I only regret that http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...n-profits.html came a bit late.
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                  • Profile picture of the author affhelper
                    OK now we can make money with one click so my
                    question is if someone opens up the software and
                    clicks let's say 200 times can we make more? Will that work?

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                    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                      Originally Posted by affhelper View Post

                      OK now we can make money with one click so my
                      question is if someone opens up the software and
                      clicks let's say 200 times can we make more? Will that work?

                      I think that's another problem with these sales letters. You don't really know how much money per click you're making or how long a click or press of a button might take.

                      Although, I suppose how long it might take to click a mouse and/or push a button would likely vary from person to person based on their:
                      • Different System Configurations
                      • Different Finger Sizes & Weights
                      • And Certain Variables Affecting Their Ability To Aim Correctly
                      Which obviously would mean that they would have to provide information about the typical consumer time-periods to click their mouse or press a button or risk being in violation of the FTC's No Safe Harbor Guidelines.

                      I think a workaround would be to somehow force or trick people to load keyloggers onto their PCs so that you could track that information more precisely - but probably there's some other law where you can't trick people into putting spyware on their computer.
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  • Profile picture of the author typhoon
    lol..I think the creator was very smart to build that STORY with that sexy girl (Oscar award, anyone?). I think that's what will make most people buy sdp with his story of stripping or something. I don't know what the whole story was clearly ;P

    From sources, the one click software is nothing but AGAIN a website creator software that creates 9 different review sites in 3 various BIG niches on web and then there is training given on how to optimize and bring traffic to it with various techniques. Please count how many of such we had in past...Your fingers won't be enough to count even

    Newbies may found it exciting to try but pro's who already know this stuff and are making money good amount of money should think whether they need any software even now that will create website for them.



    PS. I wanted to say this for Stripped Down Profits - SEX SELLS :S
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
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      • Profile picture of the author craigc1980
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Thanks Jeremy. As always great review. Seems to be the same 1 click software everyone seems to be buying software rights too.

        I actually bought the rights a while back to this same software from an email i got from a once in a life time offer. lol

        Also the funny thing is the picture she has of her new house is the same photo i saw on fotolia a few months back. Purchased photo.

        If that doesn't tell you something then i don't know what is.

        The other thing is. If you call that acting then these guys will have to do a better job.

        At least the Jani G launch for his Rolls Royce contest was more on the pimp my ride or mtv style video production.

        This girl looked like she was ready to give us all a strip show if she could.

        I swear i have seen her before. Maybe it was virtual girl HD. lol

        Anyway thanks for the review Jeremy. Always a fantastic job

        Craig
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      • Profile picture of the author lesterlim85
        Hey Jeremy

        In case you haven't receive any swipe emails yet. Here are 2 emails I have received, which I thought the 2nd one was totally dumb lame and unwarranted.

        1st Email:

        Subject title: what if you were stripped of everything?

        Wow... Thought I've seen it all...

        But apparently this ex-stripper is making a fortune
        online using this software she keeps raving about.

        You better just see it for yourself:

        [His affiliate site link]

        Nothing I can write here will prepare you for what
        you're about to see...

        She literally went from stripping in some shady Vegas
        strip club to making over a million bucks online.

        It's crazy... just watch this:

        [His affiliate site link]
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        2nd email:

        Subject title: Re: About your order

        Hey,
        Thanks for being one of my awesome subscribers.
        As promised, here's the special access to your
        download.
        This expires midnight tonight.
        Click here to get instant access now.
        Catch you later,
        Steve
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        Upon receiving the 2nd email, I subscribed right away to this guys' list. Firstly, I dislike people starting their subject title with "Re" as if I have communicated with him before. Secondly, I did not even make any freaking order with him in the 1st place. Thirdly, this email totally sucks and is insulting my intelligence.

        What do you think?

        Cheers,
        Lester

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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Miller
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Hey Jeremy,

        Thanks for doing the video.

        The link was sent by a fellow who shall remain nameless here as I actually respect his approach overall. But, I know he's also in the biz to make money... though, not too easily with me now as I've fortunately become weary of these promotions.

        Whenever something "questionable" comes along I rely on you all at the Warrior forum to give me the real story. So, thanks a lot and have a great day.

        Peace, Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author merlin03
          Why does Clickbank allow crap like this to be sold on their network???

          It really devalues their web site

          I was taught that creating and delivering value makes you money.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Bradley
            The truth of the matter is:

            If people keep on buying this sh*te
            then the predators will keep on
            producing it.
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            • Profile picture of the author ITByTheSea
              I think we should have a WF Oscar for that kind of launches
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            • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
              Originally Posted by Mark Bradley View Post

              The truth of the matter is:

              If people keep on buying this sh*te
              then the predators will keep on
              producing it.
              The help desk is funny and sad at the same time ...

              Ask Haley Milano : I'm so amazed
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            • Profile picture of the author RB
              At least the guy I unsubscribed from replied to me. I won't name names but here is the reply to my notice that I was unsubscribing....

              "Oli's made me over $200,000, so I can afford to lose a few freebie seekers.

              ...especially when the software is useful to what I teach as far as making
              the websites easy and quick to put online."

              And my reply...
              "That's what I mean, it's all about you -not your customers or subscribers.
              And I'm not a freebie seeker... I never ask for
              refunds on items I do purchase and if I want a freebie I'll go to the war
              room on the forum."

              Total lack of value when purchasing from people who provide no value.
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              • Profile picture of the author Eager2SEO
                Originally Posted by RB View Post

                At least the guy I unsubscribed from replied to me. I won't name names but here is the reply to my notice that I was unsubscribing....

                "Oli's made me over $200,000, so I can afford to lose a few freebie seekers.
                Sounds like the real money is in selling false hopes and dreams to newbies.
                Those sales pages are proven converters, otherwise you wouldn't see a new one every week.

                These guys do take risks though, if the FTC decides to make an example out of one of them, they will lose everything. I wonder if affiliates can be on the hook too.
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              • Profile picture of the author steve-wilkins
                Originally Posted by RB View Post

                At least the guy I unsubscribed from replied to me. I won't name names but here is the reply to my notice that I was unsubscribing....

                "Oli's made me over $200,000, so I can afford to lose a few freebie seekers.

                ...especially when the software is useful to what I teach as far as making
                the websites easy and quick to put online."

                And my reply...
                "That's what I mean, it's all about you -not your customers or subscribers.
                And I'm not a freebie seeker... I never ask for
                refunds on items I do purchase and if I want a freebie I'll go to the war
                room on the forum."

                Total lack of value when purchasing from people who provide no value.
                Hi RB,

                Wow! In this case I think you really should name names! I have a feeling the guy you unsubscribed from is the same guy I did. If he reponds like that then you should name his name and help others avoid his scandalous marketing tactics.

                I am still not sure who is worse, the poeple who produce this crap or the ''trusty'' gurus who promote it too us!
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                • Profile picture of the author dorothea
                  Thanks Jeremy, for taking the time to review this product. Personally, I would love to know who the marketer is behind this scam. It's despicable in more ways than one. But to me, implying that women can't make it online unless they "blackmail" some rich MALE guru, is one of the worst lines I've ever seen online. It's pathetic.
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                • Profile picture of the author TheCashWhisperer
                  Originally Posted by steve-wilkins View Post

                  Hi RB,

                  Wow! In this case I think you really should name names! I have a feeling the guy you unsubscribed from is the same guy I did. If he reponds like that then you should name his name and help others avoid his scandalous marketing tactics.

                  I am still not sure who is worse, the poeple who produce this crap or the ''trusty'' gurus who promote it too us!

                  I have to agree with Steve. If the "gentleman" truly has so little regard for the people on his list, which is pretty evident from his response, then he deserves to be exposed.

                  Shouldn't we be looking out for one another, instead of the "bad" guys? Aren't we sending a mixed message? The product is junk... unsubscribe from his list... but don't ruin their reputation. Why not? They apparently don't have any problems peddling these subpar products, so why repay them the professional courtesy.

                  Just food for thought.

                  Respectfully,
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          • Profile picture of the author chris032
            I agree with you on that one
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      • Profile picture of the author blackjack
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Video Review:

        YouTube - Stripped Down Profits Review[/CENTER]
        Jeremy

        You made my day with this review.
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      • Profile picture of the author vstar00
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        awesome review!

        I cant tell if the copy is ingenious or retarded...
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      • Profile picture of the author GenerousBoy
        Funny, I mena, look at the woman. $237,000 + using one click software? Right. Nice try. The thing is, some people will fall for this crap. If you made this as a tv ad it would be banned as gross misreprepresentation, surely.
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    • Profile picture of the author maverick4u
      Originally Posted by typhoon View Post

      PS. I wanted to say this for Stripped Down Profits - SEX SELLS :S
      Ha Ha Ha! Yea-using sexual releasers to sell biz-opp junk. WHy didn't I think of that? Will Clickbank let me post pics of nekked ladies on my salespage?
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      • Profile picture of the author elitefaith
        Is there anyone out there that has actually used this software to see if it worked.
        I know we all hate there sales pitch. I have learned to look past all of them. none of them are true we all know, nobody ever makes the money they say this we also know. I guess what we can hope for is that some of them work.
        does anybody know if this one does.
        this is what needs reviewed not the inmoral sales pitch.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cris Cato
          That video actually turned me on! Yeah right! I can't believe the person that sent me this link is actually promoting this. I won't say his name but you can bet I will be unsubscribing as soon as I get off this forum.

          This is why I love warrior forum because you get the real deal. I have to admit this is the first time I've seen this "stripper" angle and shame on you if you actually believed this crap!

          This is why it's so hard for people to appreciate what we do as internet marketers because of crappy systems like this! We already know that there are no software out there that will make you rich with one, two, three or eighteen clicks!

          If you noticed, these softwares are either website/affiliate maker, salespage maker, article directory or social marketing submitters etc etc. Nothing new here so the next time you get a salespage talking about some 1 click wonder software, click the "x" button, just be prepared to get bombarded with the dreaded downsells that come with it.

          Just do you due diligence people and everything will be alright. No one ever said being in the IM business would be easy!
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          • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
            The person behind the product is actually a very good internet marketer, while the software may not be for everybody it is still a good software. Obviously this software would be especially good for beginners because it will set up a site very easily.

            Also I think the sales copy is BRILLIANT let's face it SEX SALES it is slightly controversial but in a good way and that fact is we are not only talking about the product in regards to how good it is but we are also talking about the sales letter itself which means the product is getting additional attention and who doesn't love the story of how a dancer was able to make it big, as a matter of fact it almost makes me want to go and watch Flashdance.

            Like I said before, the person behind this product is a very good internet marketer so while it may not be for everybody it is not a bad product at all.


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            • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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              Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

              The person behind the product is actually a very good internet marketer, while the software may not be for everybody it is still a good software. Obviously this software would be especially good for beginners because it will set up a site very easily.

              Also I think the sales copy is BRILLIANT let's face it SEX SALES it is slightly controversial but in a good way and that fact is we are not only talking about the product in regards to how good it is but we are also talking about the sales letter itself which means the product is getting additional attention and who doesn't love the story of how a dancer was able to make it big, as a matter of fact it almost makes me want to go and watch Flashdance.

              Like I said before, the person behind this product is a very good internet marketer so while it may not be for everybody it is not a bad product at all.


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              Its also depicting lines of cocaine being cut. i.e. "illegal activity" - definitely against Clickbank TOS and the reason why its no longer there I would suspect. "Very good internet marketer"? You mean "very good scammer" perhaps - because this is just a tissue of lies. Brought to you by Oli Tee. I won't forget the name.
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          • Profile picture of the author podman
            hey everyone, leave hayley alone, she's a real person with real feelings, and i believe every word she says. As soon as i've made my first $237000 (next month) i'm going to ask her to marry me
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              Originally Posted by podman View Post

              hey everyone, leave hayley alone, she's a real person with real feelings, and i believe every word she says. As soon as i've made my first $237000 (next month) i'm going to ask her to marry me
              Ok, There's one extra step just for you (Watch Jeremy's video for instructions)... Out window

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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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            This product is a JOKE -

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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by elitefaith View Post

          Is there anyone out there that has actually used this software to see if it worked.
          I know we all hate there sales pitch. I have learned to look past all of them. none of them are true we all know, nobody ever makes the money they say this we also know. I guess what we can hope for is that some of them work.
          does anybody know if this one does.
          this is what needs reviewed not the inmoral sales pitch.

          The software works.

          If you want an auto site creator then this might not be a bad choice - as long as you know what you're getting going in, and you're willing to spend $47 on an auto site creator, then you will probably be happy with your purchase.
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          • Profile picture of the author Qamar
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            The software works.

            If you want an auto site creator then this might not be a bad choice - as long as you know what you're getting going in, and you're willing to spend $47 on an auto site creator, then you will probably be happy with your purchase.
            Hi Jeremy, is the site creator suitable for all kinds of website, eg for offline businesses?


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  • Profile picture of the author Adam J Wagner
    As soon as I saw this, I was reminded of this gem from a while ago... The Rich 16-Year-Old's New Millionaire System
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  • Profile picture of the author bluenetworx
    Jeremy is the real deal and this video review is the truth, I am sick and tired of all these BS products, they are nothing short from criminal and the warrior forum need to do the right thing and make a stand against this corruption....what happened to good old ethics eh???

    Jeremy is a champion!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author jrafique
      Thanks Jeremy for giving me today's first laugh Looks like here some guys are more interested about commenting Haley rather product
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  • Profile picture of the author steve-wilkins
    Genius from Jeremy!

    Perhaps it's time we should name and shame the people that sent us to this crap? I have personally received tons of emails this year for these types of products from a really well respected marketer ( I have no respect for him now ). The only reason I stayed on his list is because it was supposed to be a VIP list where I receive updates for a product of his I bought a while ago.

    I have sent replies asking why he is sending me this stuff but of course no response and I have now unsubscribed. But is that enough? Perhaps time for us all to name and shame? Love to hear thoughts.

    Thanks again Jeremy it's people like you that keep a lot of us from buying such awful products as this. You thought about setting up your own name and shame blog with reviews? I'm sure you would be a massive hit
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    • Profile picture of the author zerofill
      Jeremy has to do most of the reviews I would be saying the "F" word too much... lol

      Fing Stupid
      Fing Sucks
      Fing BS

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

        Jeremy has to do most of the reviews I would be saying the "F" word too much... lol

        Fing Stupid
        Fing Sucks
        Fing BS

        etc...
        Definitely couldn't let you do this one...you might have offended that nice stripper lady selling the software...can't have that now, can we?
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  • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
    WOW! This was pure entertainment!! LOL.... "click one button" "no work" "Clickbank...whatever..." "I hit the Go button" to fuel her shopping.... riiiiiiight!!!

    I can't believe how IM has turned into an entertainment industry. This is by far the MOST entertaining video I have seen in the IM world!!! Worth it just for that! HA HA!! I love the threats she makes to the guru's family to get the "Secret software"

    Do you think she even knows what an algorithm is?

    I laughed out loud when she said people were talking about Wordpress plugins at the Spearmint Rhino! LOLLOL.. she should stick to stripping and "acting"...

    It is insulting as a female! AND an Internet marketer! I hope no one believes this crap!!!!!
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  • This is the type of marketing where someone can successfully sue the owner of the product. It's clearly false advertising, promoting false hopes. Any investigative journalist would uncover that 1.) the home she moved in is a lie, 2.) the site is not even owned by her, and 3.) the story is made up. This is the type of marketing that is giving the industry a bad name.
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      Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall View Post

      Any investigative journalist would uncover that 1.) the home she moved in is a lie
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  • Profile picture of the author jrafique
    She is sending kisses towards members in the welcome video inside I don't know if this is something to do with IM
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    Funniest thing I've seen in a while. Can't stop laughing.
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    • Profile picture of the author RB
      This is definitely comical. But there is a serious side to it too. I can't believe I had a supposedly highly regarded warrior recommend this to me. That's unfortunate because he would have gotten some business from me on what is supposedly his mark to fame.

      So, I decided to strip him of my subscription and purchases from him.

      If a push button method really exists, how could he not realize that fact makes his methods obsolete??

      Buyer beware.

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      • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
        Originally Posted by RB View Post

        This is definitely comical. But there is a serious side to it too. I can't believe I had a supposedly highly regarded warrior recommend this to me.
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        I asked my members and subscribers to send me a list of who promoted this and I'll add it to a wall of shame on my blog.

        Jerermy's review is hilarious.. when i did mine i just ranted and called it S&** don't know how he kept calm
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  • Profile picture of the author HiAbby
    I heard that the conversion rate is really high.

    I'm just so curious who is actually falling for these sickening products.

    I feel so sorry for them if they actually believe these work.
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    • Profile picture of the author lesterlim85
      It seems like there are so many push button softwares launch on the market recently and almost all of them are b.s except that i heard Profit Monarch is pretty good.

      They are getting really creative with their stories and sales copy, and they deserve some creativity award or something.

      P.S. I still don't get who is the OT whom Jeremy has mentioned in his post. Any idea who's that guy?

      Cheers,
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      Originally Posted by HiAbby View Post

      I heard that the conversion rate is really high.

      I'm just so curious who is actually falling for these sickening products.

      I feel so sorry for them if they actually believe these work.
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    I can't believe anyone buys this stuff. Surly, even a complete newbie won't fall for this crap. Are they actually making sales?
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  • Profile picture of the author Hamant
    Thanks Jeremy - I'll tell you - These guys are at it in the Forex Niche as well.
    I've been in Forex for over 15 years and the same thing is happening in there as well.
    Sometimes the same guys are in the videos in the same room without eve changing anything - but then people will buy this "****" - - I suspect that the " new " internet marketing newbies coming on the market in droves is so huge they are playing the numbers game.
    I wonder if people like Clickbank will even clamp down because I think they are going to bank easy cash even with the refunds because they can!
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  • Profile picture of the author homebse
    Jeremy,

    Thanks for the review. It was not only informative it was entertaining.

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  • Profile picture of the author Just_Mel
    Oh but come on guys, she has a BLOG to prove it's true and everything!!! And that's obviously legit: Haley Milano Becomes Millionaire at 29 - there's a WHOLE TWO POSTS!!! 'She' got rich on the 6th & launched on the 7th. (Oh sorry - prelaunched if you were one of the LUCKY ones!) And she's kind enough to share the product live today with all us other unlucky folks...

    And no one here is thankful. SHEESH! Some people.

    I am so overwhelmed at Oli's, (oops I mean Haley's!) generosity. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author money2k
    "Instead of Gyrating for my groceries, I have my own personal shopper" Man this Sh!t is funny. You can totally tell she is reading from cue cards. These HORRIBLE products need to stop. NOW!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author havaread
    Jeremy thanks for the awesome review bro!!!! LMAO I enjoyed every minute of it!! hahaha

    As for the girl in the vid, i didn't listen to her after a few minutes as I could smell the BS. I agree with Julie - Insults the female psych with her pitiful acting.

    Pfffttt ----- Whos gonna be the next IM idiot to get the samoan backdrop or the peoples elbow? hahaha...........
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
    Oh dearie, dearie me.

    The IM scams are getting more and more audacious and UNbelievable by the day. No wonder IM is regarded with so much scorn, disbelief and disdain.

    Julie McIlroy alerted me to this latest sales page crud. And, before I forget, well done to Jeremy Kelsall for an informative and highly amusing expose of this.

    I did my own investigation and I have this to say:

    I watched a bit of Miss Droopy Eyes and I was sickened. It is just SO disgusting.

    How did they EVER get this past Clickbank? Huh?

    I've put sales pages up and their quality controllers have gone through them with a fine tooth comb and made me change all sorts of little things to comply with FTC rulings. I wonder if certain things were changed after it was examined by Clickbank - eg the ENTIRE PAGE!

    Here are some choice comments that I picked out:

    "My name is Haley Milano - you probably haven't heard that name before and there's a really good reason for that" - Yep. Probably because it's a false name. Why would ANYONE use their real name on something as abysmal as this?

    "I had no real skills..." - Yep. We can understand that.

    "Imagine how you’d feel you were rejected from 17 job interviews in a row..." Er... what sort of "jobs" were they? Head waitress? Head bar person? Well, she does use the word "suck" a lot - which is what the entire sales page does, so I guess it's appropriate.

    "I promise you...and I stake my entire reputation on this ONE promise..." WHAT REPUTATION??!!

    Now to the "PHOTOGRAPHIC PROOF" on the sales page:

    1 - The photo of the "ballers" as good-ole Haley calls them... "bachelor-party-atlantic-city" Hmm, that's ODD! According to the Spearmint Rhino Home Page there is NO franchise of SR in Atlantic City. That's interesting...

    2 - She ALLEGEDLY bought her parents a house. That house - ie the "2_story_colonial_farm_house_1" can be found here:

    2_story_colonial_farm_house_1.jpg picture by Davey_013 - Photobucket

    3 - Then she retired (at 29) and ALLEGEDLY moved in to some swanky apartment. Duh! That photo - "29399440" - can be found here:

    FFFFOUND! | 29399440.JPG (JPEG Image, 600x400 pixels)

    So... 3 out of 3 - ALL BS.

    Just to finish off, here are some more "Haleyisms":

    "Strippers know more than you think" - LOL, I'll bet!

    "Couldn't get enough of me..." I did. 5 minutes was MORE than enough.

    "And It’s amazing what these guys will say and do to get in your pants..." Erm... nah. I can't say what I really wanna say about that.

    GOOD GRIEF. This is about as BAD as it gets. And several IMers have actually recommended this TRASH to me. Guess what? They won't be recommending anything else to me. Bye-bye scammers. I'm off to UNSUB your a**es.
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  • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
    Super funny review Jeremy...as most can guess I won't be promoting it at all. However, I did want to point out that the software itself is well worth the $47...maybe even more. I haven't yet seen a review site builder that's this fast/flexible/optimized. Shame that they chose this method of promotion, they could've done alright with a not-so-blind copy for this.
    The upsell software is pretty cool too - builds a few thousand backlinks via auto-commenting very quickly. Between the two of them you COULD have a decent affiliate review site with incoming backlinks very quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author lesterlim85
      Hey Hitesh

      I agree with you. They should have been upfront of what they are actually offering so that people know what they are getting in the 1st place before buying. This can help to solve a lot of perception problems.

      But on the other hand, this will also affect their sales since their copy will not be that hyped up and enticing to their prospective clients. They are basically "selling the dream" like many product launches recently do.

      In my opinion, this is the most hyped up and mis-leading launch for the past few months. Moreover, they are using a fictitious character to promote this. What a shame!

      Lester

      Originally Posted by hitesh93 View Post

      Super funny review Jeremy...as most can guess I won't be promoting it at all. However, I did want to point out that the software itself is well worth the $47...maybe even more. I haven't yet seen a review site builder that's this fast/flexible/optimized. Shame that they chose this method of promotion, they could've done alright with a not-so-blind copy for this.
      The upsell software is pretty cool too - builds a few thousand backlinks via auto-commenting very quickly. Between the two of them you COULD have a decent affiliate review site with incoming backlinks very quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by hitesh93 View Post

      However, I did want to point out that the software itself is well worth the $47...maybe even more. I haven't yet seen a review site builder that's this fast/flexible/optimized. Shame that they chose this method of promotion, they could've done alright with a not-so-blind copy for this.
      I agree with that.

      The actual software itself does appear to work well, and would definitely be a good tool for anyone that wanted to crank out a bunch of sites. Hell, if it was "sold" as a site creator, I might even have promoted it because it does have some features and things about it that I like better than some of the other tools that I have that do the same thing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by wgibso View Post

          If the tool is good, why not promote with a "This is a good site building tool at a good price, but whatever you do, ignore the over-the-top ridiculous sales page: just skip to the bottom and buy it" approach? Your subscribers might appreciate being treated as more intelligent and savvy than the software creators give them credit for.
          Because I refuse to put any money in their pockets...I'm not exposing the people on my list to the circle jerk. As far as I'm concerned the advertising is CRIMINAL and as an affiliate, I'm not putting myself out there to be bent over by some 3 letter agency that probably won't have the courtesy of bringing any KY with them when they finally roll through...
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      • Profile picture of the author BizBoost
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I agree with that.

        The actual software itself does appear to work well, and would definitely be a good tool for anyone that wanted to crank out a bunch of sites. Hell, if it was "sold" as a site creator, I might even have promoted it because it does have some features and things about it that I like better than some of the other tools that I have that do the same thing.
        LOL! Imagine, a "stripper" turning a bunch of guys off. Anyways, you'd really promote something like that? What would stop it from going the way of a BANS site, for example? People churn these useless pieces of crap out, Google analyzes the footprint, then BUH-BYE!

        AS FOR THE "ATLANTIC CITY BACHELOR PARTY" PIC, HERE'S ANOTHER TINEYE SEARCH:

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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Has anyone contacted that club to see if she actually worked there?

    Could be interesting.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    well... despite the fact that it has all the BS checklist checked, I had to admit that this guys made up a hell of a story.

    I like the blackmail twist of the plot... I wonder if I purchase and then refund she would call my wife...
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    • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

      well... despite the fact that it has all the BS checklist checked, I had to admit that this guys made up a hell of a story.

      I like the blackmail twist of the plot... I wonder if I purchase and then refund she would call my wife...
      Dude, I was having a bit of a bad day... But that second paragraph is well, probably the best I've read all day LOL.

      That's great man.

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    • Profile picture of the author jrafique
      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

      I like the blackmail twist of the plot... I wonder if I purchase and then refund she would call my wife...
      Great shot man.....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Lol funny as hell. She was easy on the eyes though. Jeremy your video was hilarious and I agree Clickbank needs to put a stop to misleading products.

    If it don't tell you on the sales letter 1. What the product is exactly? 2. How it can help you make money 3. Why you should buy it?

    Than don't buy it simple as that. They need to start regulating the garbage out there where a product needs to meet certain criteria, and if it don't you can be sued for false advertising, with hefty fines, etc... etc....

    Sad a lot of IM products are turning into Bernie Madoff Ponzi schemes. Where is the ethics with these people? I couldn't sleep at night selling people that garbage. At least have a little. Do not blatantly mislead, and rip people off. So sad.

    If you want to make far out sales videos go for it I thought the sales video was great. I think the marketing behind this was genius, too bad the product doesn't match based on the reviews above. If it did maybe the refunds wouldn't be at a 90% rate which is prob what is gonna happen with this one. But it was entertaining.
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  • Profile picture of the author trishworks4u
    LOL! - the spearmint rhino! that was the longest most ridiculous drivel i've ever watched.
    and why is there an echo on the 2nd half of her video?

    "anyone can make money with the push of a button with the right tool"

    I am ASTOUNDED that CB let this thing through. anyone who buys this sh#t deserves to be flipping burgers (except you Jeremy - we know you're working for the 'greater good').
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    • Profile picture of the author neodarth
      Originally Posted by trishworks4u View Post

      LOL! - the spearmint rhino! that was the longest most ridiculous drivel i've ever watched.
      and why is there an echo on the 2nd half of her video?

      "anyone can make money with the push of a button with the right tool"

      I am ASTOUNDED that CB let this thing through. anyone who buys this sh#t deserves to be flipping burgers (except you Jeremy - we know you're working for the 'greater good').
      well... a former stripper talking about push buttons and right tools is kinda turn on... from a certain point of view.... sex sells you know
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  • Profile picture of the author b.super13
    hahahaha - nice video Jeremy

    you are right - there have been alot of those push button site makers going around which I still don't even think you can complete with 1 click.

    anyway - still laughing at your video, probably going to watch it again
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  • Profile picture of the author pjc71
    what a load of rubbish another thing i will stay away from thanks to the reviews from the warriors
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    I tried watching the video to see what all the buzz in this thread was about...

    Between the constant blurry zoom-cuts of the video, the hack-job editing cuts between takes, her horrible ability to act while reading cue cards, and the over-the-top attempt to make this some sort of emotional story...

    I only lasted 30 seconds before I had to close it before I vomited in my mouth =(

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    • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
      Originally Posted by Netcat View Post

      She's made a in 6 months but lives in an empty apartment? (Oh yes, the photo was bought off the internet) I'm afraid this Haley's comet is going to burn out faster than we can say BS (or Pole dance)
      Haley Milano is just a pen name, but it could be realistic to be living in an empty apartment considering Mark Zuckerberg a BILLIONAIRE lived in an apartment for years.

      But as I said before it is just a pen name.


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    The photo is from the new york times
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    • Profile picture of the author Phil Ainsworth
      Tell you one thing though... the video's a case study in ticking every trick in the copywriter's handbook. And, judging by it's gravity on Clickbank at the moment, it's selling like crazy.

      Now please don't think for one second I think it deserves to...I'm just saying - that's the power of some of the psychiological persuasion strategies they are using.

      I would thoroughly advise everyone reading this to watch the video again, try to spot all the sneaky tricks and learn from it.

      Used with integrity and honesty, some of these strategies could be very powerful in your copy. Let me stress the "USED WITH INTEGRITY AND HONESTY" part though. Anyone who is unsure what I'm referring to, just holler and I'll enlighten you :-)

      And don't let any strippers get any pictures of you doing a "Charlie Sheen" that they could blackmail your secret one-click software out of you with

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  • Profile picture of the author mastseller
    Just wanted to share a follow-up email to the initial one I received from this guy whose list I am (was) on. He recommended the software to his list before even reading the sales page.

    I thought he was alright before, but this has cost him my subscription. I am most likely not the only one either.

    Hey... It's {name removed}

    I must admit, I REALLY screwed up yesterday by sending
    you to that stripped down profits thing. My fault completely...
    a huge mistake.

    It's best you just watch this video:

    {link}

    Don't go to the page I sent you to yesterday because it's
    ridiculous.

    Instead watch this video I made giving my thoughts on their
    approach:

    {link}

    Thanks for understanding.

    {name}
    At least he was honest enough to admit his mistake, and he explains in his video why the sales page is converting so well.

    I can't imagine what the refund rate on this is going to be.

    EDIT: She isn't even that hot. She is so ridiculously dumb that the little sex appeal she might have had is completely gone. I'd rather have sex with a hooker. Oh wait... :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Netafile
    Thanks Jeremy for the sneak peek, and humorous delivery!

    Looks like the same sales letter graphics as used on the Income Infusion letter. Hmmm...
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  • Profile picture of the author mrpals
    Fake story yes we all know but the real issue is Keynetics Inc or Clickbank for ever allowing garbage to be passed in such a way. I have yet to this day actually found any product sold through CB that even came close to living up to the Bull Sh*t pitches. Not one product sold through CB is worth the paper it is printed on, Oh wait it isn't even paper it is imaginary crap from the land of make believe only to keep you busy wasting your time while they dream up the next BS story. Anyone care to dispute the fact that 100% of CB products are 100% garbage?

    Before you answer you better have 100% credible and verifiable proof.

    Boycott ClickBank
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    • Profile picture of the author youngmoney23
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      Originally Posted by mrpals View Post

      Fake story yes we all know but the real issue is Keynetics Inc or Clickbank for ever allowing garbage to be passed in such a way. I have yet to this day actually found any product sold through CB that even came close to living up to the Bull Sh*t pitches. Not one product sold through CB is worth the paper it is printed on, Oh wait it isn't even paper it is imaginary crap from the land of make believe only to keep you busy wasting your time while they dream up the next BS story. Anyone care to dispute the fact that 100% of CB products are 100% garbage?

      Before you answer you better have 100% credible and verifiable proof.

      Boycott ClickBank
      WOW.

      That was one dumb and ignorant comment man.

      I sell multiple niche products on clickbank and I can assure you none of them are garbage.

      John,
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      • Profile picture of the author mrpals
        Originally Posted by youngmoney23 View Post

        WOW.

        That was one dumb and ignorant comment man.

        I sell multiple niche products on clickbank and I can assure you none of them are garbage.

        John,

        Obviously you can not read as
        I guess you over looked this line "Before you answer you better have 100% credible and verifiable proof."

        I have no doubt you guys actually sell the crap but the burdon of proof remains, PROVE it is not crap, instead of just running your mouth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dean Jackson
    Hahahahaha Caleb sent me this last night for a LOL...

    All I can say is that it the video is much more enjoyable on mute

    BTW if you fell for this, SLAP YOURSELF.

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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Check out the swipe files:

    index7

    L-O-L

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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Oh that's interesting

    Her "apartment": http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/...e/29399440.JPG (thanks NY Times)

    Maybe a nice farm house? 2_story_colonial_farm_house_1.jpg picture by Davey_013 - Photobucket (Photobucket)



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  • Profile picture of the author typhoon
    Something for warriors to laugh at:



    Pulled it from leaked members area where the video was embedded at the front gate (login form)

    I hope that's not adult here :p Hope you will have a laugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author IsabelDaGuerra
    thanks Jeremy and Gary Simpson -- I love reading your threads :-)

    I tell you what... I thoroughly have a good laugh at these rantings

    However, on a very serious note - I wonder how these guys sleep... I mean, there is really someone out there desperate to make a miracle to pay 'the electricity' bill and granted we know it's a disgutting scam but 'desperate people can't think straight'... and there is some truth said in the video (and yes, I forced myself to hear it out... what the 'scammers' say about the ones purchasing their crap)

    Who can you trust? The IM industry is there for everyone... honest IMers and scammers alike

    In reality though, what can we do?

    1. The best approach we have on this is to, alert 'our' subscribers to the warrior forum prior to buying the product -'check it out first, please!'

    2. Then make sure we do not sell crap too.

    3. Select our JVs carefully and not fall into a trap into being 'forced to promote' any crap!

    I guess I am raging mad and sad now...

    Have a great one*** and now going off to my list of subscribers (my friends, my business)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
      Sadly a lot of these gurus sleep just fine.

      Two things are at work. 1) roughly 3% of the population can be classified as sociopathic to some degree or another. A TRUE sociopath is someone who literally can't feel remorse. Not saying the people who put this particular product out are TRUE sociopaths... but a lot of gurus who do this stuff have some sociopathic tendencies. So they sleep just fine!

      2) A lot of these gurus are good at dramaturgy. Dramaturgy (sociology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is the ability to take on different and separate roles depending on the social scenario. For example, a doctor in front of a patient will act a certain WAY than a doctor talking to a nurse about that patient.

      Some people are very good at separating these different roles so they don't identify with them personally. That's why you see people who are so kind, gracious and wonderful and giving overall, but are slime bags as marketers.

      So conclusion -- there are a lot of people who suffer little to no psychological stress from conning you.
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      • Profile picture of the author cimbah
        I'm not a prude and I consider myself very open-minded but as a woman in this business, the marketing presentation was a complete turn off. I don't care if the software works or not, I'm not going to buy something that is presented in such a pitiful way.

        It is true that in some instances sex sells, but for an IM product? Really? Maybe the target audience is a bunch of hormonal boys but certainly not anyone who is serious about IM, especially women. The bimbo approach just doesn't work, at least for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    In my opinion the best products on the market based on what they would teach someone on how to start actually earning money online would be:

    1. Bring the Fresh - they stay up to date on all the changes that go on within the IM industry, and there is no reason someone who takes their course cannot get set up and start bringing in income within 24 to 48 hours unless they don't take action.

    2. Sara Youngs Easy Paycheck Formula - Once again she gives you everything that you need to start making money online and fast and even without a website. She even gives you an Action Plan for each phase of the course. Also like Bring the Fresh if there are changes to Google's algorithm or Ezine Articles policies etc. she is right on top of it and makes adjustments accordingly and like Bring the Fresh she stays in contact with her customers.

    3. Ewen Chia's 24 Hour Internet Business - This product is only $27 and he shows what is essentially very similar to the Google Sniper method but shows some plugins on how to set up your blog on auto blog. PLEASE NOTE: The guy who does the video's is very monotonous and boring so that is the downside.

    Honorable Mention:


    Dan Brock's Deadbeat Super Affiliate - One of the most ignored products by affiliate marketers especially those that are new is PHYSICAL PRODUCTS and his course shows how to set up and start making money selling physical products.

    Google Sniper or Google Sniper 2.0 - Because we all have to admit at least the ones who have done it right we have made quite a bit of money building those simple little sniper sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    cimbah

    You are certainly not wrong for feeling that way and I am sure there are other marketers who feel the exact same way that you do. But then there are going to be people on the complete other side of the spectrum who like it.

    Anytime you add SEX into the equation you are going to get a wide range of responses. However his sales copy is converting. So he must have done something right and as I said before we are talking just as much about the way he is selling the product as much as whether the software works and it does.

    So to an extent for him that is a good thing because we are talking about his product.


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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      cimbah

      However his sales copy is converting.
      Of course it is...

      If I had a broken down 1982 Ford Pinto I wanted to sell, but listed it in craigslist as a 2011 Lambo, I'm sure I could sell it all day long.

      It's easy to sell things if you are as deceitful as you can possibly be...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Of course it is...

        If I had a broken down 1982 Ford Pinto I wanted to sell, but listed it in craigslist as a 2011 Lambo, I'm sure I could sell it all day long.

        It's easy to sell things if you are as deceitful as you can possibly be...
        I agree 1000% - fight the good fight against bad IM products!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Reed
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      cimbah
      Anytime you add SEX into the equation you are going to get a wide range of responses. However his sales copy is converting. So he must have done something right and as I said before we are talking just as much about the way he is selling the product as much as whether the software works and it does.

      So to an extent for him that is a good thing because we are talking about his product.
      Tim
      The fact that it is a copywriter's story maybe isn't so bad - except that it is put over as the Honest Truth, with pictures to back it up - and they are all from real estate ads or pics one can download from image sites !!

      That, in my book, is not something that should get past Clickbank authorisation. It's a fabricated pack of lies - put across as being facts!

      I resent being "pitched to" in such a blatantly untruthful way, and I will (am) unsubscribing from those that try to send me to it..................

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  • Profile picture of the author ValentinJed
    Funniest thing ever! But I guess the one who is laughing right now is the owner who gets all the orders right now. Watching the video. Well, the video is great quality but the sound sucks. You can hear how it was cut and pasted or something.

    Interesting, what's the refund rate for this product.
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  • Profile picture of the author writetale
    whoever purchases this hairy banana will undoubtedly become frustrated, fail, and tell all their friends that internet marketing is crap.....(the seller effectively killing two birds: eliminate competition and make a lot of $$$ for themselves in the process)

    just hope that the chick impersonating "haley milano" doesn't get stoned in the streets when she's recognized....
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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    Jeremy Kelsall,

    I definitely see where your coming from on what it advertises and what you get.

    When I recommend I base it off of getting results and sometimes those results are just being able to SAVE TIME and this software will save people time and since it helps to set up review sites which a lot of internet marketers do, then I like the product.

    I also think it is going to help not only with saving time but also in being able to make money because if they are able to set up 5 to 10 sites for every 1 or 2 that they would normally be able to get up and running then they are going to be able to focus on the next task at hand.

    But I certainly see where you are coming from because most are not going to be able to pull in the kind of money that the sales page states. But like Jamie I know who is behind the product and I know that they are as Jamie said ethical and they put out good content.

    Whoever buys this software will get their money's worth if they are wanting to be able to set up a review site with the click of a button, as I think we all agree the software works well but if they are purchasing thinking that they are going to generate $3,000 within 29 days of buying the software then they are going to be disappointed.

    So basically my recommendation is if you want to SAVE TIME by easily setting up a review site then BUY Stripped Down Profits.

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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    My Next WSO:
    OUTERSPACE AUTO CRAP PROFITS

    "Guy abducted by an UFO reveals his secret to bank 2 billion a year with a martian software that create unlimited profits stream with just a tremble of his stomach"

    When I was abducted two years ago I meet this guy in the space ship that happens to be an undercover alien agent based on earth, he told me that he has a secret weapon to make money

    He show me a weird alien device with a tiny screen and a wire conected to his anus... yes his green alien butt!


    and then... he start to fart!


    I couldn't Believe My Eyes When I Saw the Money Pour In! He was crapping money!

    I force him to give me the device or else I will call the guys from area 51 and tell everything I knew about him, he will be reported to his home planet unless he teach me how to make money that way.

    Yes I was that desperate! I wanted to sh*t money like him!

    After a few weeks that took to translate the software to works on earth computers he give me a package with a cd and a anal probe.

    Now I make thousands of dollars every time I sit on the bathroom!

    Last night after eating a double chili cheese burger and a extra pepperoni pizza with fries and chicken wings I was able to make $325.125,55!

    But I don't want to be the only one to make crap money so only for the first 20 lucky persons I will send them the OuterSpace Auto Crap Profits for only $37

    Come on!

    Buy my Sh*t!


    *sight* sorry I'm boring....
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig Beckta
    Very interesting discussion.

    Unfortunately, some people
    will actually think this product
    is for real.

    It is quite obvious the income
    claims are false.

    Most likely the income proof is
    from launch profits or from
    a list of 30k or more.

    Hopefully everyone knows how the
    Clickbank refund process works.
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    • Profile picture of the author lsamarketer
      I would like to thank Jeremy for being the Guinea Pig for this one and so many other products. Rather than looking for a review, I always come here and 90% of the time, I am able to find Jeremy's take on a new launch. I usually get a good laugh as a bonus (more than I can say for the bonuses included with most of the actual products).

      I agree that we should respond to those who recomend this kind of crap.

      I used to have a lot of respect for Chris Freville, but he sent me the email recomending this one.

      Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
      I can't see how anyone would applaud or even accept this type of marketing. It's not just "ethical" (which is subjective) it is ILLEGAL (which is objective). I hope affiliates realize there might be real risks involved in "contributory liability" for promoting this.
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by Jason Fladlien View Post

        I can't see how anyone would applaud or even accept this type of marketing. It's not just "ethical" (which is subjective) it is ILLEGAL (which is objective). I hope affiliates realize there might be real risks involved in "contributory liability" for promoting this.
        This is absolutely correct. In fact, multiple branches of Federal Law Enforcement have now become more interested in pursuing gatekeeper liability.

        It started with the FTC vs. MoneyGram case. Attorney Michael Webster noted the significance of that case this way:

        ""This is an important change in emphasis by the FTC. In seeking to stop those who enable fraud from profiting, the FTC has signaled its willingness to go beyond simply getting unenforceable default judgments against con criminals who have skipped on to the next con project."

        And while that was a more obvious case of a company turning its back on crimes it's technology was facilitating, the SEC has recently started more aggressively using the law of misprision of a felony to charge promoters of ponzi schemes in addition to the owner/operators of ponzi schemes.

        And recently the FTC has also become more interested in pursuing gatekeeper liability - (affiliates, advertising agencies, etc.) and even has changed language on some of their pages to reflect that.

        Within the FTC's Advertising and Marketing on the Internet: Rules of the Road the FTC specifically states the following:

        "Sellers are responsible for claims they make about their products and services. Third parties – such as advertising agencies or website designers and catalog marketers – also may be liable for making or disseminating deceptive representations if they participate in the preparation or distribution of the advertising, or know about the deceptive claims.
        • Advertising agencies or website designers are responsible for reviewing the information used to substantiate ad claims. They may not simply rely on an advertiser's assurance that the claims are substantiated. In determining whether an ad agency should be held liable, the FTC looks at the extent of the agency's participation in the preparation of the challenged ad, and whether the agency knew or should have known that the ad included false or deceptive claims.
        • To protect themselves, catalog marketers should ask for material to back up claims rather than repeat what the manufacturer says about the product. If the manufacturer doesn't come forward with proof or turns over proof that looks questionable, the catalog marketer should see a yellow "caution light" and proceed appropriately, especially when it comes to extravagant performance claims, health or weight loss promises, or earnings guarantees. In writing ad copy, catalogers should stick to claims that can be supported. Most important, catalog marketers should trust their instincts when a product sounds too good to be true."
        This last piece is interesting to me, because I gave one of the senior litigators at the FTC an overview of affiliate networks and CPA networks (at her request) and when it came to CPA/affiliate network liability she didn't seem to have much interest at the time (that was back towards the end of 2009).

        Probably one of the key elements in the above paragraphs in light of this current discussion is:

        "whether the agency knew or should have known that the ad included false or deceptive claims."
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      • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
        Originally Posted by Jason Fladlien View Post

        I can't see how anyone would applaud or even accept this type of marketing. It's not just "ethical" (which is subjective) it is ILLEGAL (which is objective). I hope affiliates realize there might be real risks involved in "contributory liability" for promoting this.

        I really would like to see someone or some agency come down hard on this. There are just no redeeming factors to it, despite what some people in this thread are claiming.

        Clickbank need their knuckles rapped for even allowing this in the marketplace.

        Affiliates really deserve to have all their subscribers give them the bird and unsubscribe. And the vendor needs to feel the full weight of the FTC.

        Then and only then will we get start to get back to honest and ethical marketing and this business which I love will start to redeem it's reputation which gets more tarnished every time we stand by and let products like this prosper.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Brock
    I took the liberty of starting a review thread about the product itself without a lot of focus on the marketing of it:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...n-profits.html
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    I liked Jeremy's video so much, i got on his list)
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    I think it is great that we have such products out there. Think about it, the more people think that IM is a scam, the less competition we will get.

    I think newbies should buy this product. Not because it's good, but because getting scammed is a great way to learn from your mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Louis Monk
    I agree with many of the comments already made. I think promoters like Chris Freville are showing bad judgment by promoting products like this. I shall be unsubscribing after this second product promotiuon of a dubious sale pitch.

    Does anyone know who Oli T is? I am trying to contact an Oli who scammed me on this forum and who does not reply to my emails and who does not have a telephone number or address I can contact him on.

    Will Clickbank keep giving refunds. It is not made clear what is being bought until you get the product. I think it is so easy to buy these products just to see if there is anything of some good in them. Whether I tried the product or not I can feel justified because like this promotion, it fails to deliver on the claims made in the sales pitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
      Stripped Down Profits now says, "It's closed due to high demand" (Probable Translation: "Oh ****. The FTC might actually go after me on this one").

      Now, if you go to the JV Partners page:
      index7

      It says that the launch goes from March 8th through March 15th.

      Today I clicked on a promo I got for Stripped Down Profits and I was taken to the main Stripped Down Profits page - saying it was closed - but had an optin form to capture my email address.

      I looked at the getresponse optin code and it is NOT capturing the affiliate's details.

      After entering my email address, it took me to this page:
      Module 1

      Now I haven't gone through those videos, so I don't know what they're promoting. But as an affiliate I'd be pretty pissed.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrpals
    It all Boils down to ClickBank, You know that large corp that makes its money from that crap?

    Google cans accounts for garbage, adwords, adsense, blogger blogs, serps etc...
    Paypal freezes accounts, trashes accounts for ill gotten gains.

    Why not Click Bank? Start setting some examples for these little young punks and garbage, out right lies. Start seizing their entire accounts and I would be willing to bet the market will clean it self.

    Those siding with the shady sellers are more than likely selling their own garbage.

    ALL the buyers want is HONESTY. If you are selling a site creator, tell us, show us and let us decide if it is what WE want. Stop lying and wasting our time.

    To the movie example -- it sucks, if you were advertising a movie to have Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt as the main player but once you were seating with popcorn and coke in hand you discover the REAL players are Michael Ian Black and his little sister would you feel fuzzy and warm inside or more that you just got screwed?
    HONESTY HONESTY, I know it is something they no longer teach at school but just be honest about what you are selling and let us decide if it fits our needs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
      Originally Posted by mrpals View Post

      To the movie example -- it sucks, if you were advertising a movie to have Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt as the main player but once you were seating with popcorn and coke in hand you discover the REAL players are Michael Ian Black and his little sister would you feel fuzzy and warm inside or more that you just got screwed?
      HONESTY HONESTY, I know it is something they no longer teach at school but just be honest about what you are selling and let us decide if it fits our needs.
      What.. my movie example? It sucks?

      It happens all the time. Just because you are angry doesnt mean my movie example "sucks."

      The movie Executive decision, I thought it was an awesome movie. But I went to see that thing in the threatre and spent $40 on me & my girl at the time because it said "starring Steven Seagal."

      Steven Seagal Dies 10 minutes into the movie. Literally. The rest is Kurt Russel.

      "Starring" Steven Seagal. Yes, false advertising. But I liked the movie. Me & my girl walked out laughing about how we were "tricked" into seeing it.

      If I were to complain, there would be people in line calling me a dick righteously. But this happens all the time. Look at movie forums, filled with hate and anger wishing death upon actors. lol

      Im just trying to offer some perspective. Heck, these launches might have a new advertising model where there are no previews, some of the products do SUCK but if its a product done with the old college try and on clickbank with the liberal refund policy in my opinion are not comparable to real scams dude.

      I agree with you to some extent, because I believe any less of full disclosure is less honest. That would make everyone in business "dishonest" to some extent. If capitalism were a rainbow, these sites would not be red. Sorry, but thats just the world we live in.

      For an example (And Kelly, hope you dont mind me mentioning your site), I do think Bring the fresh is Blue (because it is such a transparent sales page and spectacular product). Most of these "questionable" sales pages would be yellow, FTC cases are red. Make sense? If they didnt have Clickbank, some of them indeed might be orange. If they were anymore expensive without a refund, yes, perhaps some of them red because they create high pressure situations and alot of them do not have disclosures in proximity.

      Dont deliver the promised product even at $1.00 and you are an automatic red.

      But heck, alot of the sites that are praised on this forum do not have disclosures in proximity as well but are given a pardon because the product is good. The overall analysis in this thread is flawed and one dimensional, without proper intelligence.

      Health Insurance, Credit reporting, Financial institutions, Cigarette companies, Hospitals, and the scams on the FTC website.. put me on a forum where there are advocates of those companies/institutions/politics and Ill tear them into pieces for you. I have good reason and enough personal passion to carry out a full guns blazing campaign in those sectors, Guaranteed.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
        Jamie, I'm afraid you're using a false analogy. (The Logical Fallacies: False Analogy)

        Going to the movie to be entertained is ONE thing. Buying something that is supposed to fix all your financial problems is ANOTHER. It's easier to laugh off being tricked for entertainment. Hard to shrug when it's your livelihood at stake.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
          Originally Posted by Jason Fladlien View Post

          Jamie, I'm afraid you're using a false analogy. (The Logical Fallacies: False Analogy)

          Going to the movie to be entertained is ONE thing. Buying something that is supposed to fix all your financial problems is ANOTHER. It's easier to laugh off being tricked for entertainment. Hard to shrug when it's your livelihood at stake.

          Whatever..

          I think I illustrated this subject into the ground.

          Ill come up with another analogy for you later that is custom tailored for your opinion and understanding.

          Gotta go.. peace!
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            • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
              Originally Posted by mastseller View Post

              Just wondering, how do you find time to write up such lengthy posts? Regardless of how fast you type, it still takes time to read and reply to all the other posts. I don't say this negatively, I am just curious how you guys do it (not just you Jamie).

              I mean, there is obviously some benefit to spending time here and building relationships; as you can see I joined in May of last year but haven't really participated at all. I haven't gotten anywhere with my business, and I am finally starting to put together a plan that I intend to follow through with. I have been learning IM for almost 2 years now, and I need to put all of that into practice and start actually making some profit. Yeah I've made a few bucks here and there, but nothing substantial and nothing that I could duplicate really.

              I know this can work and I want to make it work, but it's so much harder than I initially thought. It seems like SEO is the way to go to build a long-term business, and I am looking for a good way to put up micro niche sites with Wordpress and learn to do it effectively and quickly enough that they start making me money. I know outsourcing is a big one, as I hate writing articles, and I just bought a WSO (the Business Automation System by Adam Roy) that teaches a really good strategy when it comes to outsourcing, so I am fairly excited about getting that started.

              Whew, long post (I guess that only took about 10 minutes to write :rolleyes. Hope somebody can give me feedback on my mini-story here.

              I did watch the whole video for the POS product (or I should say sales page) being discussed in this thread, it's been kind of interesting following people's reactions and verdicts on whether using complete deception in your sales copy is justifiable if it means high conversions.

              I have no purpose here other than the fact that I have OCD and its the weekend. I dont even have a signature, and this isnt even my product.

              I have in the past been introduced to plenty of business people who have hyper capitalist philosophies. I can tell you alot of them make the owner of this product look like a saint because even though his site templates might be eh.. the methods in those copynprofit vids are really good. When you have been around a while and witnessed plenty of marketers in all sorts of different niches who dont make customer support a priority, send 100,000 uniques to a sales page that has NO product as a test and doesnt refund them, it gives you perspective. Im simply sharing this perspective with people but they are so enraged they cant think straight. I dont associate with marketers that rip people off, I dont respect them and I will embarrass them in a conference call, I dont care.

              Trust me, to oppose an offering of a simple perspective from the opposite spectrum you either gotta have minimal experience, inability or unwillingness to process information or have a monetary ambition.

              In my review you can see I was on the fence, but not one person thanked me for actually doing a review on the PRODUCT. This proves that it is biased because I didnt wave their flag and conform to their hatred. Its like an angry political rally, nothing more.

              I get it.. this guy's sales page ruined everything for everyone. I understand that.

              I mean, I think more importantly and what inspired me to partake in this was that its not a productive discussion and its not going to solve anything when you cant even state your case properly why exactly it is "So illegal."

              CB verifies Screenshots.

              CB approves the products based on the advertising guidelines and updates the FTC daily.

              The REAL problem is when a product really sucks. I dont need to prove this, All one has to do is look at all the other threads where the sales page was aggressive, bends FTC guidelines and people love it because of the product. Done, case closed. no argument. This is Subliminal envy of a launch that is easy to poke holes. period.

              You might meet a marketer on CB at a convention and end up finding out the inside story of what went wrong with a launch and why there was a weird statement up on the page and you will be totally dumbfounded that you thought he was a bad guy when he wasnt and made it up to his customers. Either that or he might punch you in the face from something stupid you said on Warrior forum.

              The angry guy who holds a grudge and is overly opinionated and close minded will never hear that side of the story even though since we are all affiliate marketers here we should be able to have a more intelligent discussion than one that he would have at an unrelated venue screaming and yelling like a little girl. And in addition, this inability to learn or discuss something is probably one of the reasons he is a failed internet marketer in the first place.

              I cant speak for everyone else here but I got into affiliate marketing from reading "Google Cash" and "Rich Jerk." That was back when it was ok to say "YOU can make up to $45,404 a month!" I read the first three chapters and it changed my life. When you are broke for years and then you read one book that changes your life and you make millions of dollars, it kinda changes the way you think about IM products and people who publish their knowledge. You will at least look past the b***t sales page, hear their side of the story and demo the product.

              Anyhow with that rant done, regarding your mini story, More importantly other than picking one traffic generation method is knowing which method to use for which niche. Traffic and monetization both.

              But if you were going to use the search engines, some ideas off the dome..

              For instance, you could do a niche "100 cool pick up lines."

              Right off the bat, because of what the competition is doing, your traffic should be SE based, your page can be the actual 100 pick up lines and then adsense for monetization off the page and an opt in list that sells to related offers.

              Prepareforbootcamp.. Small traffic, good buyer = product, CB.

              Guitar lessons .. Medium traffic, so-so buyer = product CB, but because of the mediums, drop the price. But check this out.. Because of the TYPE of buyer and that he or she will continue to buy guitar lessons, you can plan on having other products sold with your list or in the members area.

              These are some site based examples if you were going to get into that.

              As an affiliate marketer, I recommend a few things. Think traffic.

              If you spend money, buy something that makes money already, like a youtube account, twitter account, an adsense site, a blog.

              Also, get into email marketing as a parallel to sustain any temporary success you may have.

              Invest in tools. If youve found Warrior Forum or Youtube, this is all you need. There is no need to purchase $39 products that appeal to beginner/intermediate affiliate marketers if you are here speaking to people who know what they are doing and willing to let you in on stuff.

              I gotta get off the forum now. lol Remember to do alot of brainstorming with business models. Do projects that are easy to do so you can get a response rate quickly. Then build on it after it has a positive effect. Good luck man.
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          • Profile picture of the author psresearch
            Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

            Whatever..

            I think I illustrated this subject into the ground.

            Ill come up with another analogy for you later that is custom tailored for your opinion and understanding.

            Gotta go.. peace!
            From the FTC's standpoint they do NOT treat all misleading advertising similarly. So you are potentially using a false analogy - although your analogy is at least a tad better than the typical analogy people use.

            The most common defense of misleading advertising is something along the lines of:

            "Product X (some bizop product) is no different than McDonald's advertising in which doesn't use "a disclaimer saying that the food on screen is made of plastic, has been worked on by a food artist, and is not likely to look anything like what you're ever going to get when you place an order…".

            However, if a person making that statement were to read the FTC's Policy Statement On Deception he/she would know immediately that this statement isn't necessarily true.


            Note the following from the FTC Policy Statement:


            "Finally, as a matter of policy, when consumers can easily evaluate the product or service, it is inexpensive, and it is frequently purchased, the Commission will examine the practice closely before issuing a complaint based on deception. There is little incentive for sellers to misrepresent (either by an explicit false statement or a deliberate false implied statement) in these circumstances since they normally would seek to encourage repeat purchases. Where, as here, market incentives place strong constraints on the likelihood of deception, the Commission will examine a practice closely before proceeding."

            So is the sales of inexpensive McDonald's products designed to attract repeat purchases the equivalent of a bizop Product launch of a $37 product with upsells/one-time offers that often total up to be $600 - $1000 per sale?

            It's seems to me that it would be quite difficult to claim that those two are equivalent.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joanne Reid
    Thank you Jeremy! What a delightful review. Yep, close tie with the FB Free Ads and right up there with Instant Cash Empire. What crap. The best part of it all was watching your video.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
      Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

      LOL. I have OCD, too. That explains a lot.
      I think I need medication for it. This is ridiculous. This is your fault Paul.

      Ok so lets review this weak ass case..

      1. The owner of a marketing site hired an actress to represent the product as a Vegas Stripper.

      2. The images used to portray the supposed million dollar apartment used in the sales page were stock photos.

      3. The use of "sex" is incredibly offensive to people

      4. The earnings screenshots are not typical of a user of the software but of the site owner himself.

      Wow, what a case. Im going to be able to convince a jury without a reasonable doubt that the use of a stripper actress and income claims of the owner, stock photos of cocaine and fake houses were deceptive and make a slam dunk with this one.

      (Sorry for the sarcasm, Ill explain)

      If these 4 aren't the counts that were presented over & over again in this thread, then please correct me if Im wrong.

      You know what this sales page was? Hilarious. Funny. Unprofessional. Not the whole truth. Explosive claims. Offensive to women. put together quickly.

      You like copying & pasting those legal guidelines alot. Your stabbing yourself in the foot unfortunately.

      Again, if I had 500 cases to choose from, why would I want to pick the most luke warm one and spend big money on the case again? Why is this still up for debate?

      Affiliate marketing products are here to help you as they did me back in 2004. It should be self regulated, as an affiliate marketer we should send a professional email to Clickbank, or to the product creator and explain our rational concern.

      But unfortunately, I see the common theme on these threads again and again..Its similar to a "If cant get her no one will!" attitude.

      The thing is, its not a good idea to be deceptive with Clickbank in the affiliate marketing niche. Everyone will refund because they are targeted towards affiliate marketers that know how CB works. More, Launches are driven by affiliates with email marketing. Its inbred traffic. Clickbank even refunds people occasionally even for tech support requests.

      Every experienced marketer knows that these review threads for the top 10 CB sites make the refund rate look like 100% when in reality Clickbank IM has an average refund rate of 15% Now what was this stated by someone where "every product on CB is trash?" Usually, to have a good launch, you need to know what you are doing. I know a couple big time launches done by fake marketers and I don't promote them. By coincidence? No, since they are fake, their products aren't the only aspects of the operation that are lacking. They do not pay affiliates, they do not respond, etc.

      Paul, you keep me on my toes man. If it werent for you I would have broken from my obsessive spell out of boredom and extreme monotony.

      It is clear the product is good, as others in this thread mentioned. It works and the sales page was the problem, but for some reason I have not yet heard a case other than the fact it was an actress, the claims (which are on every sales page) and the pictures are not really the house of the actress.

      So yes, in this instance the prosecutor would indeed sound like the mcdonalds example unless someone can actually make a case that sets this sales page apart from the IM products that have the same level of aggressiveness and lack of disclosure but have good reviews since the product is good or worse; the product creator has clout on the forum or has a big name.

      I wasn't the one who presented this incredibly weak argument. I could probably present a much better one.

      The problem is, put me on the other side of the spectrum, as a plaintiff, and I would state facts that would put the most respected marketers under fire as well. It would read just like their case. Weird right? Its hard to see through that stripper video! For instance, using numbers in testimonials which is against FTC law post December 2009. Only wait.. There were none! And that goes for all the other CB launches lately as well.

      Meanwhile, for example sake.. I myself have disclaimers on all my sites, even at the top of my pages, do not use dollar figures in testimonials meanwhile I myself find myself defending my own stuff on these threads from time to time because of general statements I use that people don't like because they doubt I really made this amount of money when I really did. I follow the law and will still have to answer to people who A. Do not believe my screenshots are real B. are upset I dont have testimonials anymore because Im a worry wort C. End up telling me they are sorry only after I PM them and give them free advice. Excuse me but what a crock of crap.

      I have heard the following testimonies and metaphors regarding this salespage in question:

      1. "Im not even going to buy it. This product is crap" LOL

      * The obvious: How do you know its crap if you didnt buy it.

      2. It was a ford pinto sold as a lambo. (HILARIOUS)

      * I dont think they had the make, model and year wrong. It was solely an advertising problem, at the worst perhaps... "I got up to 120 MPH in this incredible Restoration of a Ford Pinto driven by a world famous race car driver!" And then the product was the broken down Pinto with the restoration kit next to it.

      3. IM products are turning into bernie madoff schemes (This one is just sad)

      *People are not promised returns and then given returns from other investor's money.

      4. "I have had so much trouble getting products approved by CB, they go through things with a fine tooth comb!" "How did this one get by?"

      *When you submit a product for approval, and you have a statement like this: "You can make $35,393 in 5 months" they will tell you to change it to "I made $45,493 in 5 months" and ask you what account you got your screenshots from.

      5. My analogy is not accurate because the people who go to see the movie are not "down on their luck and looking for a way out."

      *Easy rebuttal to make since It wasnt even intended as a comparison to this product but to an actual experience I had that I am personally relating this too, from the perspective and feeling I myself would have as a newbie.

      And then the trickle arguments:

      A. Clickbank should be taken down
      B. JV's should be apprehended.
      C. The product creator should this & that..

      Its amazing Im the only one here who thinks it might be unfair competition for one marketer to slander another marketer during a launch? I guess so. Good luck when the product creator confronts the weasel at affiliate summit. (Or maybe he wont be there because he isnt a serious affiliate marketer anyway and this is why he isnt afraid to get out of line on a forum.)

      And this was not a bizopp product. If you were to advertise it as bizopp with the IM email lists (JV driven) it would not convert. Bizopp is targeted towards everyday people and these everyday people would be attracted to the numbers but lose interest when the terminology of "traffic" and "Affiliate marketing" were mentioned.

      This is why the typical Business opportunity presents itself as a JOB. Its direct, simple and meant to target the rat race, not JV traffic where subscribers know what affiliate marketing is. Personally Im against it and when my ex-partner wanted to go in that direction I kicked him to the curb because it is a crap, scam niche.

      In theory, I should have been eaten alive in this thread since I am seen as "defending a product" that was kicked off clickbank in three days. Interestingly enough, Im still here and there has been no plaintiff style case presented other than facts that either contradict themselves or facts that would make every other marketer under the sun guilty of the same "supposed" crimes.

      And note, I thought the sales page was hilarious, a joke but liked elements of the product. In fact, I think the only differences between my review and Jeremy's was that I do not think the sales page was as criminal as people say it is, but I actually like the "software" less than he did. LOL

      Paul, again thanks for keeping me from falling asleep while reading the thread.

      BTW, I really like the sound of your joomla software concept I have to say.

      Later Paul, good chat.
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post


        You like copying & pasting those legal guidelines alot. Your stabbing yourself in the foot unfortunately.
        Jamie, I'll read through more of your post later on, but I did want to go over one thing:


        I am NOT an attorney and people should ALWAYS get their own legal advice...

        But I'm not sure if you missed it or not. I'm not just randomly "posting guidelines" with no experience with the FTC or federal law enforcement.

        But I spent over a month back and forth on the phone with a senior litigator at the FTC helping them on a case involving one of the top 100 spammers in the world who was promoting deceptive bizop offers. Btw, that company's sent me a C&D for slander...oops...BAD idea. I suppose some day I should call up their attorney and ask him, "how's that cease and desist going"? ;-)

        The the FTC requested that I go over how affiliate marketing thru CPA networks worked with them. That gave me a chance to really get a great glimpse into how they really think about things.

        I've also provided EXTENSIVE documentation and extensive charting between enties and major players to the Secret Service (at their request) on a massive cross-border scam. I was told that they were blown away by the documentation I presented to them.

        I spend EVERY day on Skype (I'm on with him now) with my good friend Lynndel Edgington who works with:

        1. An assigned agent fromt he Secret Service (and 3 other agents that report to that agent).
        2. 3 United States Postal Inspectors.
        3. 3 other state-level law enforcement agencies he isn't allowed to disclose at this time.
        4. And one agent directly within one of the financial regulatory bodies (again non-disclosable).
        5. He was also the only non-agency person invited to a major white collar crime initiative.

        He asked me to contribute the section on home business scams to his recent book:
        Amazon.com: Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead...Amazon.com: Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead...
        Other contributors included Les Henderson who runs the Crimes Of Persuasion website.

        Much of what you say about cases not hitting the radar - and that they don't really care about them (for various reasons) is dead on. Also, the case that "this was obviously exaggerated and nobody should have believed it" might apply - depending on the target demographics (you say it wasn't a bizop product - and I understand your reasoning behind that statement...). One of the senior litigators said something to me about another case that was similar when she said that the target demographic should have known better (she assumed that based on the type of product the audience was likely more intelligent then the typical more vulnerable consumers they deal with).

        If you think I'm shooting myself in the foot, so be it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

          Jamie, I'll read through more of your post later on, but I did want to go over one thing:


          I am NOT an attorney and people should ALWAYS get their own legal advice...

          But I'm not sure if you missed it or not. I'm not just randomly "posting guidelines" with no experience with the FTC or federal law enforcement.

          But I spent over a month back and forth on the phone with a senior litigator at the FTC helping them on a case involving one of the top 100 spammers in the world who was promoting deceptive bizop offers. Btw, that company's sent me a C&D for slander...oops...BAD idea. I suppose some day I should call up their attorney and ask him, "how's that cease and desist going"? ;-)

          The the FTC requested that I go over how affiliate marketing thru CPA networks worked with them. That gave me a chance to really get a great glimpse into how they really think about things.

          I've also provided EXTENSIVE documentation and extensive charting between enties and major players to the Secret Service (at their request) on a massive cross-border scam. I was told that they were blown away by the documentation I presented to them.

          I spend EVERY day on Skype (I'm on with him now) with my good friend Lynndel Edgington who works with:

          1. An assigned agent fromt he Secret Service (and 3 other agents that report to that agent).
          2. 3 United States Postal Inspectors.
          3. 3 other state-level law enforcement agencies he isn't allowed to disclose at this time.
          4. And one agent directly within one of the financial regulatory bodies (again non-disclosable).
          5. He was also the only non-agency person invited to a major white collar crime initiative.

          He asked me to contribute the section on home business scams to his recent book:
          Amazon.com: Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun: Cyber Crime - How They Do It (Volume 1) (9781453895290): Mr. Lynn Edgington, Mr. Graham McMillan, Mr. Les Henderson, Mr. Paul Schlegel: Books

          Other contributors included Les Henderson who runs the Crimes Of Persuasion website.

          Much of what you say about cases not hitting the radar - and that they don't really care about them (for various reasons) is dead on. Also, the case that "this was obviously exaggerated and nobody should have believed it" might apply - depending on the target demographics (you say it wasn't a bizop product - and I understand your reasoning behind that statement...). One of the senior litigators said something to me about another case that was similar when she said that the target demographic should have known better (she assumed that based on the type of product the audience was likely more intelligent then the typical more vulnerable consumers they deal with).

          If you think I'm shooting myself in the foot, so be it.

          Yeah man, and its fascinating. Im not an attorney either. lol

          I read every word of each one of your posts. Thanks for good debate.

          Let me know what you think later & hit me up sometime.

          Jamie
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    clickbank does right the way it does

    look at all the garbage and dishonesty in CARS advertising, in PERFUMES advertising (they sell water with chemicals, for $300 a little bottle?!?! is this RIGHT???),
    in DETERGENTS advertising, in JEANS and CLOTHES advertising

    Everywhere just STRAIGHT OUT lies.

    You are blind if you cannot see that the problem LIES in ADVERTISING industry.

    Clickbank is an awesome place to be, and should never change
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Motion
    That's the most outrageous sales page I've ever seen!

    And the bad thing is... it's converting!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
    Well, I've already have one go at exposing this garbage but it seems as though a couple of people here are willing to argue the point that there are redeeming qualities in "Hayley Milano's" hideously deceptive and downright bloody awful dog of a sales letter.

    About the only truthful thing in the whole litany of lies is that some IM people like to do cocaine. I know that for a fact because I've seen it first hand. Obviously I'm not naming names but you would probably be surprised. Or not! Anyway that's their business if they want to snort that stupid stuff. It's their life they are playing with.

    Back to this hideous "Stripped Down Profits" sales page...

    I went to their affiliate page called /jv/vippartnerswipes.html that was mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

    "Hayley" calls these "PROVEN TOP SWIPES" - DUH! In fact, DOUBLE DUH!

    Here's a choice selection of her "PROVEN" subject lines:

    - Name, you're confirmed
    - Re: your download request was approved
    - Your download request is under review
    - ...Here's Your Download Link Name
    - Re: Your Username and Password
    - Re: new password for your account
    - Congratulations name! You just got a sale.
    - Re: Your Clickbank Commissions
    - Re: Pending Clickbank Commision for Name
    - You've got cash
    - ...Your $1,299.44 paycheck is ready
    - ...Your paycheck

    EVERY one of those subject lines and many more are BLATANTLY deceptive. Gee, a lot of thought has been put into those huh (spelling error included)?

    IMO there is NOTHING good about the sales page or any of the rubbish used to promote it. No wonder the sales page now says: "SOLD OUT" - more likely KICKED OUT (of Clickbank). Watch this product return with new sales copy and a new "story." I can almost see them scrambling to change it. "Hayley Milano Joins the Nunnery."

    Recently I coined two terms for engaging in lies and deceit the likes of which we found smeared all over this site and everything attached to it.

    Internet Marketing Vampire - a person who creates useless "products" that don't work backed up by a litany of lies to deceive and rip-off inexperienced newbies (SDP qualifies in every respect).

    Internet Marketing Zombie - those who blindly follow the IM Vampires by sending out waves of deceptive emails promoting this rubbish (Anyone who sent an email using any of the above subject lines is a zombie)

    And just for good measure I wrote PDF reports on each of them so people can see straight through the tactics employed by the vampires and zombies.

    Garbage like SDP deserves to come under attack because it preys on the vulnerable and inexperienced. Over on his blog Mark Thompson called it "the greatest pile of poo ever" and I agree. It's shameful.

    Gary Simpson
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    • Profile picture of the author Flamboyantegg
      So does anyone still have the video anywhere? Despite the heavy topics of legitimacy, selling sex to newbiez and the myriad of other issues discussed... I want to have a giggle at this apparently crazy video

      It's probably not up anywhere anymore, just in case the FTC wants to have a giggle at it as well I suppose.

      To add a serious note to the end here; I've only been around IM in any serious way for 2 months or so and I'm already getting sick of these launches! I can feel the legitimacy of anything IM-related I do being slowly sucked out of the zeitgeist. I'll probably have to go get a job or something after a while! *shudders*
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    • Profile picture of the author Hesaidblissfully
      Originally Posted by Gary Simpson View Post

      I went to their affiliate page called /jv/vippartnerswipes.html that was mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

      "Hayley" calls these "PROVEN TOP SWIPES" - DUH! In fact, DOUBLE DUH!

      Here's a choice selection of her "PROVEN" subject lines:

      - Name, you're confirmed
      - Re: your download request was approved
      - Your download request is under review
      - ...Here's Your Download Link Name
      - Re: Your Username and Password
      - Re: new password for your account
      - Congratulations name! You just got a sale.
      - Re: Your Clickbank Commissions
      - Re: Pending Clickbank Commision for Name
      - You've got cash
      - ...Your $1,299.44 paycheck is ready
      - ...Your paycheck

      EVERY one of those subject lines and many more are BLATANTLY deceptive. Gee, a lot of thought has been put into those huh (spelling error included)?
      Aren't misleading subject lines like this that they're encouraging affiliates to send out a violation of CAN-SPAM?
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
        @ Hesaidblissfully - yes they are. They are also against the TOS of most reputable autoresponder companies.

        But here's the other thing - they are just MASSIVELY dumb! Who believes any of that trash? Only the rawest of "newbies."

        Fancy a so-called experienced IMer calling ANY of those subject lines "proven." All they are proven to do is infuriate people and encourage unsubs by the 100's.

        So, BAD advice like this really does damage anybody silly enough (or should I say... inexperienced enough?) to use them. All that is proven about them is that they are proven LOSER subject lines that will get very negative reactions from all those who receive them.

        This SDP campaign was ill-conceived on every level from start to finish.

        Gary Simpson
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        • Profile picture of the author Laurie Rogers
          This was seriously one of the most stupidest sales pages and video's I have ever watched. I don't really care if she was or still is a stripper (I pass no judgement on what people do for a living in that respect), but in general she did make women appear to be stupid, ditzy etc. And her commentary about, "being surprised to see a woman giving a sales pitch", was laughable at best.

          There are tons of successful female marketers online and offline, so I was put off by that, as well as her other cheap shots (whiney forums, networking - one of the most important aspects in this business). At one point, I replayed a portion of the video because I wasn't certain if I heard her right ... making a catty remark about John Carlton's copywriting courses (which she did do) ... not bright on their part. There were also a few things (from looking through the reviews) that were quite similar to Coffee Shop Millionaire, same web host, same basic concept, and came across to me like a not so blatant rip off of Anthony Trister.

          glad it's removed and hopefully everyone will get their money back.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
            I have been informed that Clickbank has removed the ability of those behind SDP to negotiate replies for refunds. Anyone who contacts CB for a refund will get it.

            @ Laura - I agree. That "Hayley" woman would make most women cringe. It was an embarrassment to all women who aspire to improve themselves in the business world. In fact, it was just an embarrassment to women full stop.

            Stupid concept, idiotic sales page, false and misleading adcopy. The whole thing was an abomination from start to finish. It was just pukeful.

            Gary Simpson
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Sometimes I see things I think "Do people really believe this stuff?"

    But when they're wheeling this kinda stuff out every single week... that kinda answers my question

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  • Profile picture of the author ravenjade
    I have read posts and heard people talk about it. The truth is nothing on it was truthful. Nothing worked. They didn't even do the cheesy stuff inside that was supposed to happen. Like the "software" to make the cloned sites did not even work. You put in your clickbank id and they put in someone elses. You put in the aweber info and the button to submit didn't even work so you get no list. The down loads were corrupted. Oli gave video to people that bought IM product that said to get a vending machine business and go get phone verified accounts at the local cell phone store and use the demo phone. then make a fake ad at craigslist and when people called about it tell them it was sold but you got it online from this place where you enter your zip "here is the link" Nothing here was above board. It was all crap. Even the newbies knew enough to get refunds. This was the worst scam in the history of scams. Except for the one where the hooker knocks you out and takes your liver. One of the best things that happened was all of the screw ups showed people to get out. Oli sent customers the emails meant for the affiates. And these were shared on the forums. Second, he shouldn't have put in the forums or people wouldn't have been able to compaire notes. By the way, lots of the customers are here now because of that product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
    NEWSFLASH - Dan Thompson did a nice bit of detective work and found out the REAL reason why STD... I mean... SDP has "SOLD (cough - bull-sh*t) OUT."

    You can read about it here:

    Bye Bye Haley : The El Passo Blog

    Good work to everybody in this thread for exposing (hmm, maybe not the right word... or maybe it IS) this litany of lies.

    Gary Simpson
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  • Profile picture of the author steve-wilkins
    My my! Even the insider video is super cheesy. They must have hired the worst actress ever here, check her eyes role at the cue cards!

    I actually wrote a blog post below about this garbage and reveal how there are still some internet marketing good guys out there.

    http://www.steve-wilkins.com/sex-lie...the-good-guys/

    Hope this helps as many people as possible.
    Regards,
    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
      Originally Posted by steve-wilkins View Post

      My my! Even the insider video is super cheesy. They must have hired the worst actress ever here, check her eyes role at the cue cards!

      I actually wrote a blog post below about this garbage and reveal how there are still some internet marketing good guys out there.

      http://www.steve-wilkins.com/sex-lie...the-good-guys/

      Hope this helps as many people as possible.
      Regards,
      Steve
      Ummm. One of those guy's promoted PushButtonCashSites, Mass Money Makers, and a bunch of other products that used sales letters overhyped JUST LIKE the one in this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author steve-wilkins
        Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

        Ummm. One of those guy's promoted PushButtonCashSites, Mass Money Makers, and a bunch of other products that used sales letters overhyped JUST LIKE the one in this thread.
        Did they?

        If you are right, I will remove my post on my blog and disassociate myself with their launch as I do not ever promote shoddy products. So are you absolutley sure about this?

        And were the sales pages really like the shocking one mentioned in this thread? These days all sales letters have a little bit of hype, even tv shopping channels use hype to sell their products but if hype is used it doesn't neccesarily make the product bad (with exceptions to the product in this thread which I agree is awful).

        The only reason I wrote the post on my blog is I was informed of this giveaway event by a really top genuine online marketer who I trust with absolute implicity (my mentor actually) and I thought the giveaway could genuinally help people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
    This "product" has caused such an avalanche of anger all over the Internet that I decided to ask Clickbank HOW it got past their scrutiny in the first place. Here is the text of the support ticket that I sent them a little while ago:

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    Hello,

    This enquiry should be handled by somebody in a supervisory capacity.

    Many of us from numerous Skype chat channels, forums (including Warrior Forum)
    and dozens of IM blogs are very concerned about a recent "product" that was
    launched using the CB platform. I refer to the recent "Stripped Down Profits
    (SDP)."

    This so-called product - and I use the term in its barest sense - violated so
    many TOS regulations that we are collectively wondering how it passed the
    scrutiny requirements of your company in the first place.

    SDP featured drug taking, prostitution, blackmail and was a hideous litany of
    lies from start to finish. The claims made in the copy were all FALSE including
    the stock photos from Photo Bucket where the woman (calling herself Hayley
    Milano) claimed that she purchased a home for her mother and a multi-million
    dollar mansion for herself. Both proved to be absolute lies.

    Another photo used also fabricated a story about the Spearmint Rhino club (I'm
    sure they would be absolutely THRILLED to be made aware of their involvement in
    this make-believe story) where this woman allegedly blackmailed "ballers" (her
    term) who she allegedly co-erced into having sex with her for the purpose of
    blackmail.

    This is NOT creative copywriting. It is dishonest and is tantamount to fraud.

    Now, it is being alleged over at the WF that people are being told to wait 60
    days and in the meantime are being offered a bunch of "bonuses" to keep them in
    the loop. You can only guess why - to foil the refund period.

    If ever there was a reason to do a mass refund to every person who was tricked
    into buying this litany of lies and deceit then this would be a PRIME example.
    That would teach the perpetrators a lesson and they would not be so willing to
    launch such fraudulent rubbish again. After all, they are only doing it for money
    - NOT to help anybody.

    The reports at WF from people who have bought this junk have been galling. You
    should read them. All over the internet people have been condemning SDP in their
    100's. They are also wondering about the culpability of those responsible for
    this outrageous fraud. Clickbank's reputation has been called into question also.
    If you read the many 100's of angry comments from decent people you will quickly
    realize that CB's reputation has been tarnished here and so many people are angry
    that your company has assisted in this event by what they see as turning a blind
    eye to it in the name of greed.

    Can you please tell me so I can tell others who are very concerned about this
    disturbing trend of deceit and fraud on a grand scale what procedures Clickbank
    went through when approving SDP in the first instance?

    Thank you

    Gary Simpson

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    It should be interesting to see what sort of a response, if any, I get.

    Gary Simpson
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    • Profile picture of the author steve-wilkins
      Well done Gary!

      It's about time someone went to clickbank about their horrendous filtering process in allowing garbage like this to get through in the first place.

      I am very interested to see their response to your ticket. Although I feel they will no doubt pass the buck in what ever way they can. Good work though. Perhaps action like this will help stop such fraudentlent products getting arrpoved on major affiliate marketing platforms in the future.

      Regards,
      Steve W.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Wow...my product gets flagged because it has the word "WordPress" in the sales letter. (I know...it's a trademark)

    But meanwhile, "Stripped Down Profits" gets by with drug, sex and blackmail references.

    It's pretty clear my next WordPress product will need to be called "WP Naked Explosion Theme" to get past CB's strict approval process.
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    • Profile picture of the author psresearch
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      Wow...my product gets flagged because it has the word "WordPress" in the sales letter. (I know...it's a trademark)

      But meanwhile, "Stripped Down Profits" gets by with drug, sex and blackmail references.

      It's pretty clear my next WordPress product will need to be called "WP Naked Explosion Theme" to get past CB's strict approval process.
      Hey, I've heard ClickBank does extensive review of sales copy. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      Wow...my product gets flagged because it has the word "WordPress" in the sales letter. (I know...it's a trademark)

      But meanwhile, "Stripped Down Profits" gets by with drug, sex and blackmail references.

      It's pretty clear my next WordPress product will need to be called "WP Naked Explosion Theme" to get past CB's strict approval process.
      Yep, I have had to change several words in my sales copy too - and then this abomination gets approved. Well, let me explain...

      Here is what I THINK happened in deciphering CB's comment to me. I sought clarification on their approval process and all CREDIT to them for answering coz I really didn't expect a reply with all the confidentiality BS these days which is just an excuse for not replying in most instances. But without specifically revealing much, this is what I reckon happened...

      The "product's" sales page was approved then it was taken down and replaced by what we all saw. If that wasn't deception then I don't know what is. Nasty.

      Gary Simpson
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      • Profile picture of the author psresearch
        Originally Posted by Gary Simpson View Post

        Yep, I have had to change several words in my sales copy too - and then this abomination gets approved. Well, let me explain...

        Here is what I THINK happened in deciphering CB's comment to me. I sought clarification on their approval process and all CREDIT to them for answering coz I really didn't expect a reply with all the confidentiality BS these days which is just an excuse for not replying in most instances. But without specifically revealing much, this is what I reckon happened...

        The "product's" sales page was approved then it was taken down and replaced by what we all saw. If that wasn't deception then I don't know what is. Nasty.

        Gary Simpson
        Kind of brings up an interesting point though - how do Vendors test variations of sales pages without having to go through compliance every time?

        Anyone know the answer to this?
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
          @ theultimate1 - "member" is so apt - if ya get my drift. Any guys taken in by that woman have to be thinking with the little head rather than the big head.

          And fancy being endorsed by somebody like that? IMO it's an anti-endorsement.

          @ Paul - yeah! GOOD point. You are talking about split-testing that we all hear so much about. Maybe they test on other platforms.

          Gary Simpson
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          • Profile picture of the author cobwab
            Pure unadulterated crap.

            How about flipping cats on Flippa?

            Get off the get rich quick train.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
          Originally Posted by Paul Schlegel View Post

          Kind of brings up an interesting point though - how do Vendors test variations of sales pages without having to go through compliance every time?

          Anyone know the answer to this?
          Truth: Clickbank doesn't really care about your salespage once it's approved. Since the salespage resides on your server, you can change the HTML at will post-approval. If no one complains, Clickbank will never know.

          As for testing variations of salespages, that is done with Split Testing software. You can use the free Google Website Optimizer or you can use something like Easy Multi Tracking: Professional Copywriter Reveals His Proven Conversion Boosting Tool That You Can Use To Skyrocket Your Conversion Rates FAST!.
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  • Profile picture of the author neodarth
    OH Yeah! She's back!

    Haley Milano our favorite millionaire stripper has relaunched her Stripped Down Profits magic software.

    This time the payments are processed on ClickSure.... wonder why... ahem...

    Here's a little piece of advice for you.

    If you receive an email with the subject: "GUARANTEED? YOUR $1,060.81 In The Next 26 MINUTES...?!?"

    Open it! scroll down to the bottom and click the Unsuscribe link because whoever sent you this has little to no consideration to you and his list.

    Or you can click the link and have a laugh for a while...
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    ==> Internet Marketing Newbie Created for IM virgins
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    • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
      Yep! She's back. 632,283 POINT eight thousand dollars!
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by neodarth View Post

      OH Yeah! She's back!

      Haley Milano our favorite millionaire stripper has relaunched her Stripped Down Profits magic software.

      This time the payments are processed on ClickSure.... wonder why... ahem...

      Here's a little piece of advice for you.

      If you receive an email with the subject: "GUARANTEED? YOUR $1,060.81 In The Next 26 MINUTES...?!?"

      Open it! scroll down to the bottom and click the Unsuscribe link because whoever sent you this has little to no consideration to you and his list.

      Or you can click the link and have a laugh for a while...
      Post a link? I'm bored and could use some comedy this evening
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