sitehero

Hi, its a while since I've been on here but I felt it was an important issue that this community needs to know about. Theres a new product doing the rounds with a bunch of affiliates and JV's called 'Get FB Ads Free' which is marketed as a secret way to get facebook ads for free. The person presenting this product says he was told about this secret by an ex employee of facebook who he was talking too inside a BlueFart forum. (BTW he said he had to pay a lot of money for access to this ellusive forum which he doesn't name)

Anyway, to cut to the chase - The SECRET is to offset your affiliate/cpa earnings against your adverstising costs. Basically its no different than any PPC campaign. They've basically got the front to say, 'Pay for you facebook ads to advertise a CPA offer - then any cash you make with your CPA will pay for the facebook ads' and they have the audacity to call this a FREE facebook ads system and base their whole product around it.

Stay away from this BLATENT con - Its a complete scam.

Oh and BTW, I didn't pay for it myself THANKFULLY. I accessed their members area with a little trick I know.

Hope I've saved you the cash if you was thinking about buying it.
BTW - I'll be deleting EVERY affiliate or JV that emails this product to me and you should do the same too!

Jermaine Tabor

It sounds like the old Get Google Ads Free
product with just one word change.

FaceBook

sitehero

In my last post I used the word B.L.A.C.K.H.A.T and for some reason it's been changed to BlueFart! Guess its not a GREAT word for search engines to pick up.

fated82

Just got an email too....hmmm....I wonder how would people react to that...

Shane Natan

So you farted and it turned blue?

Denise Hall

There's already another thread going on here about this product.

Get FB ads Free Or Facebook Ads Free ?


And isn't hacking their members area rather blackhat on YOUR part?

tonicemarketing

Thanks so much for this info. I too am fed up with the lies! Secret this, ex employee that. I have gotten the same email swipe 6 times from different "gurus". I am unsubscribing by the handful!

Denise Hall

LOL - that just happened in my post too.

theaffiliategeek

Jermaine brings up a good point. That is exactly how the get google ads free system worked (or should I say failed to work). I fell for that one, and that's the main reason I blew off "get facebook ads free" when I started getting all the emails about it. i thought they sounded alike and now that has been confirmed.
IM products do run in cycles and come back from the grave with a new name.

Greg guitar

Apparently that one has been removed. I suspect it is because a number of posts were bashing some of the goobers that promoted it, and calling them by name.

Also a few people had angry words for the product's creator, who chimed in, asking one of his complaining buyers "Are you stupid?" He dug himself a deeper hole, and it's too bad the post isn't there so people can see his gracious response to complainers. I think it might have helped people make an informed choice about whether to buy from him in the future.

I'm embarrassed to say I fell for it, but the reason was that the first person who promoted it to me is a very well respected, well known Warrior, and I thought his endorsement meant something-in fact, at first I thought it was his product. I am sending him a strongly worded email explaining why he won't be earning any more affiliate commissions from my purchases, and why I'll be unsubscribing from his list, after giving him a chance to apologize.

There are unfortunately many totally dishonestly promoted products, but this has to rank as one of the worst. The basic promise that's at the core of the marketing message is a complete fabrication-a classic case of bait and switch marketing.

The product itself wouldn't be that bad, if not for the lie used to sell it; some decent videos on list building using facebook, combined with software that generates fan pages (although many pointed out that unless they change the software, it won't work anymore in a few days, as facebook is no longer going to use FBML).

Had it been marketed as a list building system using the power of FB, complete with a fanpage generator, they could have done will with it, and not made enemies of half their audience. Maybe they would have made fewer bucks up front, but how much is it going to cost them to alienate huge chunks of their audience?

It's so obviously unethical to tell people they'll be able to get FB ads free because of some secret, and a little magic line of code enabling them to make $300 a day the same day is a lie that could hurt many people who need the money before they could possibly make it with the method. It definitely will not create the overnight cash infusion they promised, and could even lose you money-there's no guarantee that after you pay for your ads, enough people will take your CPA offer to let you come out even.

I wish we could call people out by name when they do unethical marketing, but it's not my forum, and I can understand mods not wanting to moderate flame wars all day. Still, it's frustrating sometimes when you know that someone deserves to take a big hit to their reputation, to not be able to give it to them in the world's largest IM forum. Sigh...

I'd just like to recommend everyone unsubscribe to anyone who sent you a promotion of this product. But don't just unsubscribe-let them know in no uncertain terms why you are doing so, and what you think of someone who would use dishonest tactics just to make a commission.

(That idea is not from me; a few people in the original thread made the suggestion, and a couple even kindly supplied a nice template to make it easy-but I'm too lazy at the moment-so you'll have to write your own scathing letter-good luck).

Cheers, Greg (aka-"the sucker")













It takes some people weeks just to get accepted into a CPA network, and even then the cost of the ads is offset only if your conversions are good. It's like saying you can get a Pizza Hut franchise free using an insider secret...and the secret is you need to do well with the franchise so you make a profit-offsetting the cost you pay upfront.

Michael_Le

so WF has deleted the whole thread on Free FB ads with about 180 post.............GREAT!

Joe118

Its useless to argue with WF or the mods -- lets not go there.

Alan Petersen

If folks could control themselves and not name and bash people it wouldn't happen. That's basically rule #1 in this forum. Mods are volunteer their time so I don't blame them that instead of digging through 180 posts to try and clean it up it's just easier to trash the whole damn thing.

If thread stays on task as a review of the product (the good, the bad, and the super ugly) maybe it will survive.

But anyone who buys something claiming that you get Facebook ads or Google ads or whatever for free needs to have their common sense re-booted and stop buying into the BS.

Jeremy Kelsall

I can almost guarantee that post didn't get deleted by the mods to begin with....

The thread is in purgatory right now because "some people" clicked the report button over and over and over again...

Joe118

I disagree. Its very useful to out whoever promotes this and does not retract their support, as well as congratulate those brave marketers that do man up and issue a don't-buy.

But again, its useless to argue with the forum mods or speculate why the thread is no longer visible or is deleted.

TimothyW

Here's a couple of observations...

1) The vid makes a telling mistake (that there may be untruths in it) when the guy says he's made *over* [then some very specific dollar amount, right down to the specific penny]. This makes no sense. If you keep track of an *exact* number, down to the last penny, then how can you say (and WHY would you say) that you made *over* that amount?

2) Here's what I think happened behind the scenes of this product... The guy on the vid says a former FB employee told him, "anyone who PAYS for FB ads is an idiot!" I believe that DID happen. But, I think the creator of this product has either misunderstood the statement, or has intentionally twisted it around.

What we are supposed to think it means: There are ways to get FB ads *without paying for them* (some kind of loophole)

What I think the ex-employee meant was: If you have a product you'd like to sell via FB ads, it is much better to set up affiliates who will take all the risks, and they will buy (pay for) THEIR OWN ads (+ take all the risks). Hence: "Anyone who pays for [their own] FB ads is an idiot!"

In other words, you'd have to be an idiot not to let OTHERS (affiliates) figure out (evolve) how to best advertise your product via FB ads.

Make sense?

Cheers.

-- TW

Chris Worner

Actually, if you do a Google search on the product name, the members area link appears in the search results, not what I would describe as b.l.a.c.k.h.a.t.

Chris

Gunedat

Thanks for the info. I thought they somehow created a full blown course about methods to getting FB Ads coupon or something. Seems it turns out to be much worse.

jrafique

I think this story should be ended now. A lot of said about this already. Apart from some all the new products don't deliver what they says on the sales page.

Denise Hall

Ah, then the product owner needs to button that up.

You have to admit, the OP sounded like he had hacked in, which is not cool.

Andy Hart

I think we can all figure out "who" may have wanted to have that thread deleted, right?

If you can't stand behind your product with 100% certainty, and be proud to have your name on it, then don't act all suprised and hard done by when it gets flamed in the forums, even better dont release the damn thing in the first place.

Alan Petersen

I would open a ticket to have them look into it. If there is collusion to do that I'm sure the admins would go on a banning mission. Not sure if they can tell from behind the WF curtain or not but worth checking into to make sure people aren't abusing the member moderated functionality built into the WF to make negative reviews disappear.

@Joe - I didn't see the other thread so I really can't comment. But Allen Says has Rule #1 in place so it is what it is. His house. His rules.

Greg guitar

For what it's worth, here is the content of my ticket requesting a refund from clickbank:

The product was not remotely as advertised-in fact I would be surprised if they
don't get hauled into court on fraud charges.

The name of the product, as well as the main promise on the sales page and in
the sales video, is that the buyers will get access to a powerful piece of
software that will enable them to "get paid Facebook ads free". The secondary
promise is that the buyer will have the ability to make hundreds of dollars a day
starting within a couple hours of purchase, with the huge amount of traffic they
will be getting, since they will not be at all concerned about the cost of
ads-which will be "free".

After the sale, they explain that actually, you have to pay for the ads up
front, but they will be "free" because the cost will by offset by presenting the
prospects who click the ads with CPA offers, which it is assumed will have a high
enough conversion rate to break even. In other words-there is no such thing as
"free" Facebook ads. That's like calling a McDonald's franchise "free", because
burger sales will "offset" the costs.

As far as the immediate results promised-for free, that assumes not only a good
enough CPA conversion rate to pay for the ads, which the products creators cannot
possibly guarantee, but assumes instant acceptance into the CPA network they
recommend joining (impossible), and instant payouts (also impossible).

It is conceivable someone with excellent marketing skills could make this
program work, based on what the creators instruct the user to do once inside, if
they had a good upfront budget to pay for the "free" ads, understood how to pick
a good CPA offer and get their ads to convert well, and the same with affiliate
programs, which are the profit model they suggest (the CPA offer is only to pay
for the "free" ads-the hundreds a day are supposed to be made with affiliate
commissions).

There is absolutely no secret, no "free" ads, and nothing new here at all. The
advertising was a blatant lie. Hence, you will be getting lots of refund requests
(probably have already), and this is one. Please refund me as soon as physically
possible.

Thanks, Greg Vinson

gforces

Yeah, I could tell the "Free Facebook ads" offer was a con from the start. Things just did not add up with what they were saying from the get go.... plus early warning signs from others here on the WF made me keep my credit card in my pocket Hopefully many more people get saved from getting burned on this one by this thread!!

writetale

unsubscribing from EVERY affiliate that emailed that one to me is EXACTLY what i did as well....it was a case of GLARING GREED and a lack of concern for everyone on their respective lists.....

my hat is off to you!!

Joe118

The product is no longer for sale, but it is still listed in CB marketplace.

Black Hat Cat

WF knows which side its bread is buttered. Can't be ticking off the ones with the butter, ya know what I'm sayin'?

Greg guitar

I get frustrated with the no-bashing rule too, but there are very legitimate reasons for it. Your insinuation could be partially correct, but there's no way to know that, and is an illustration of what the rule was created to avoid-unprovable smears on someone's reputation.

Imagine trying to referee thousands of threads times thousands of posts with every disgruntled customer bashing every online marketer-it would be a logistical nightmare, as well as a monumentally unpleasant task.

Sure, we all know in this case that it was a nasty fraud, but thousands of other complaints are not nearly as easy to judge. Do you really expect the volunteer mods here to spend their days and nights hearing cases against every marketer, and deciding which marketers deserve to be flamed, and which complainers need to be told to quit whining?

Like I said-I get frustrated, and would dearly love to call out every person (there were probably about 10), that sent me the promo, but I don't think it's fair to expect the mods to have to sort through all the negative posts deciding which ones are legit and which aren't.

There are forums for that sort of thing-I went to one recently, (I think it had the word "scams" in the url), and found it to be full of nasty, whiny, flaming brats, that can't make any money and want to blame the creator of every course they buy when it doesn't produce instant, magic results for them. I'm sure it has legitimate complaints, and warnings, but not a pleasant place to be, and unfortunately, there are always those who call foul on legitimate products rather than examine their own failings.

Just my 2 cents-but yeah-sometimes it's frustrating-especially when it's respected Warriors pushing the scam for a commission. At least I got the satisfaction of clickbank granting my refund within hours of submitting the request-I like the thought of the person that sent me the promo watching their commissions disappear. I also hope he reads my email explaining why I'll never trust him again.

Joe118

Greg

There's a famous customer complaint site whose name escapes me -- they have a policy of not deleting anything, ever. Not even when the original poster asks for it. EDIT: I think we're thinking of the same forum.

This is done to remove any incentive for people to pressure the owners of the site into removing stuff, and to remove the incentive of the target of the complaint to try and coerce the complainer to ask for removing. None of that works, it is a personal responsibility system, and if I say that person XXX is a white slaver and a pimp then I'll have to defend my words in court. And needless to say, the owner of the site has won numerous judgments in his favor for his policy, since it actually absolves him of any responsibility of moderation.

It can be argued that the active moderation policy of WF actually puts them in legal jeopardy. If someone could prove that they actively moderate the forum and that they did not remove slanderous comments against that party then that would make the owners potentially liable, I'm guessing.

Once you start down this slippery slope, its inevitably going to lead to not satisfying anyone at any time -- you start by being unable to satisfy everyone all the time and end up not satisfying anyone any of the time

In any case, the original thread can easily be found in a nearly complete state by using the google cache option. You can't really delete anything on the internet anyways.

ankur sharma

I am shocked to see facebook ad product is scam. I got so many emails from so many list owners. Definitely, everybody who promoted this product must be loosing huge amount of respect. I just received email from one of the affiliate who promoted it and he said he didnt check the product, coz he was busy in shooting video for his own product launch. Are you kidding me? You are sending me email to spend my hard earned money and you havnt even checked it yourself. Seriously, i am never going to take his promotions seriously.

I bet, the product creator is dead now.

SuccessMatrix

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Totally agree with you Denise


And this bluefarting here is just hillarios
As is the information about a scam content from someone who knows how to steal content - of course just to save the rest of us spending money..........


Aside of that, I have paid for the product, and I am NOT running with the herd, beating the same bag. I personally like the product.
There is some real good content in it. The page creator is a useful tool as well (and btw. they are working on an iFrame upgrade). So far I cannot identify a scam.

Of course, if they fail to deliver a working iFrame page creator, than it will be a big fail, since everybody knew FBML functionality would be switched off on 10th March. I trustfully expected them to be preapared for this. If not, well then they are real losers, which I cannot imagine.

And everyone who believed Facebook would accept any kind of real trickery to not pay for ads, and make them go out of business.. believes in Santa.
I was curious prior to buying, but I was not really disappointed to then hear it is actually a "Twist how to increase your ROI to zero your investments".

I am a realist, how could you take something like "fb ads for free" literally?
I expected it must be some figurative meaning.
Everything else would have been a Facebook "BlackFart" (lol) tactic, getting you nowhere.


Just my 2cts.

Nisip

unfortunately all the products I saw for making oney on facebook are downright scams.

one should know better, because Facebook will never give his ads for free, of course

Frank Murphy

There is a way to get Facebook ads for free..

SuccessMatrix

maybe YOU should make a product, instead of JaniG and companions ;-)

Create a WSO...

Greg guitar

I expected there to be some sort of twist too, but come on-use CPA offers to make the upfront investment back, and then sell them an affiliate offer? That's so mundane it doesn't qualify as a "twist", let alone justify the "free ads" claim. It clearly doesn't connect to the obviously misleading "secret little line of code", or the insider conversation with the Facebook employee.

Nor does it square with making hundreds in profits within hours, since approval to a CPA network can take weeks, and getting paid can take over a month. Nor does it square with the idea that you can cash in fast and big since you won't have to worry about an ad budget-you still have to pay before the huge profits come in-assuming your CPA and affiliate ads are all big successes-which they would have to be for the "free ads" idea to work.

If this cynical logic prevails (that only Santa believers would have believed my claim, therefore it doesn't have to be literally true) any moneymaking venture could use the "free" appeal with impunity, since obviously nobody can believe it, and since they are all meant to make you a profit after costs are covered-no matter how large the upfront investment, it fits the new "figurative" definition of "free". Orwell would be impressed.

realcar

I am new to these type scams and I purchesed the up grade and program for about $237.00. any way to get my money back or am I sol. Mike

ProsperousViolet

I just requested for a refund today. I also unsubscribed to all the gurus that promoted this software to me. I am just glad I didnt buy into their upsells.

SuccessMatrix

It is very easy to get a refund, since it is a Clickbank product.
You have to know your Clickbanke-Order ID, which was emailed to you as you purchased.
Go to Clickbank and find "Order Help"
https://www.clickbank.com/orderDetail.htm?clear=true

Follow the screen and fill in what they ask:
You will be asked to provide your ORDER ID AND an information like your email-address (the one you entered when purchased) OR your paypal info OR credit card information.

On the screen showing your order click "get help" or so;
from the following drop down menu asking for the reason for your support request select "other" -
this brings you to the next screen where another drop down menu will let you select "request refund".

It is pretty easy, just follow the steps and you'll find it.

You have the right to get a refund within 60 days "no questions asked" nevertheless just write something saying why you want a refund.

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I've heard from someone just yesterday FB Ads Free was refunded to him within 5min(!) on sending the request. Looks to me like they are fed up dealing with the flood of requests, so they just issue refunds instantly.

But if not refunded instantly, don't be worried if you get a question back. From my experience most vendors first try to keep you in the program, trying to offer help for your issue. Then you just reply insisting on your refund until you get it.

fosu

Thanks for all this info and help,

I just opened a refund ticket from clikcbank and waiting hopefully for may money back, I will be looking back for my email inbox around 6 March who sent me all this craps, any JV or Gurus promoting this to me will be unsubscribed from their list, I am too busy to look for any product I bought lately, and making no money "making only S H "" T FREE BLABLABLA...

fosu

Fantastic, just opened a refund ticket and got a refund within 5 minute...
here is the email I got:
This email confirms that your purchase from ClickBank.com has been refunded.
This refund will appear on your statement as "CLICKBANK" or "CLKBANK*COM."

I beleive they have got a ton of refund ticket opened , and they are fed up with all wasting time to answer each one, so probably they have done this refund automatically to any one ask for it.

realcar

This forum is sure well worth the cost. Thank you for your detailed answer. You were a great help. Mike

theplugindude

Haha...

That was good!