Jay Es

Hey this is a bit of a newbie question for any Adwords experts out there. and it pertains to Infomillionaire in which the goal is to promote CB products by using a redirected URL. he has a custom landing page generator but otherwise it's a variant of the "Google Cash" method from a few years back.

Is it legit to promote a site in AdWords using a redirect URL (redirecting your URL to the affiliate site) on Google?

for example if i am promoting this site (these are made up examples so they shouldn't link anywhere)

main site: and I buy a similar URL and redirect it to the main site using my affiliate CB id. and then i buy ADwords to promote my site...is that legit?

I've seen many IM people suggest this strategy for promoting CB products.

However, I just re-read Google's terms and conditions and it appears that this practice is against their terms - see the first item below about "redirect URL's"

here's what they said:

"Affiliate Policy

We do not allow data entry affiliates to use AdWords advertising, but all other affiliates may participate in the AdWords program. However, we monitor and don't allow the following:

* Redirect URLs: Ads that contain URLs that automatically redirect to the parent company.
* Bridge Pages: Ads for web pages that act as an intermediary, whose sole purpose is to link or redirect traffic to the parent company.
* Framing: Ads for web pages that replicate the look and feel of a parent site. Your site should not mirror (be similar or nearly identical in appearance to) your parent company's or any other advertiser's site. "

would love input from seasoned affiliate marketers and AdWords experts out there.

thanks!

Debra Jane

Hi
I'm a Newbie at IM so I thought this would be an ideal package to start with as I really didn't have a clue.
I'm halfway through the book and video and whilst it is a bit of an idiots guide I'm finding tiny little bits of info that are really important to me are missing. When you know nothing about this stuff you tend to hang off every word and if the odd word is missing it takes a lot longer to put it all together.
I'm going to persevere as my own business in the 'Real' world is so quiet and I must earn some money - but how fast - who knows.
The course did lead me to this forum, so that's pretty cool on it's own, and now I don't feel so alone, but it's such early days, I'm floundering still. Like a baby taking first steps, it's all a bit unsure and wobbly!
I did get a great bonus from Frank & Trey, they sent me 3 copies of the course for the price of 1 - not bad hey, perhaps it's an omen to say I'm going to be three times as successful each time!!

Wish me luck...

Adam Gersbach

I have had no problems and still a happy customer but it sux when others aren't happy.

I must say I'm shocked at the customer support on this product. I feel sorry for those who require support.

chuckincw

You don't need an experienced adwords marketer to tell you what you've already noticed - it says what it says. Google wants variety for surfers, that's why they make such policy.

I've been doing PPC since before AdWords existed - the AdWords TOS you reference came immediately to my mind when I saw the updated "new" LPG video (I never watched the first LPG video - don't know what methods it uses).

Jay Es

mmm..k. well this was all news to me! so doesn't anyone think it is odd that the whole InfoMillionaire approach is then based on doing something that goes counter to Google's TOS? Heck i only paid $9.97 for the intro pack and cancelled but it struck me as a bit odd that this tactic would be the foundation for this system.

is this not odd to anyone else? am i just too new to all of this to be surprised?

Dan.Thies

Seriously? Hard to believe anyone would sell a product like that...

There's at least one way to promote CB products with Adwords but a straight redirect isn't it. Best case scenario with that is to find 'virgin' territory that doesn't have any other affiliates advertising the same product. Have fun with that.

If you put a page in the middle, offer an information incentive for an opt-in, and make the CB offer your 'thank you' page, you build a list, you can set up an autoresponder sequence for that offer, other offers, etc. and you can make money that way.

Hope that's not their big secret.

Dan Thies
Glorious People's Link Liberation Front

Jay Es

well i want to make sure i'm being fair here and i may not have characterized it entirely accurate (still a newbie). they actually have a landing page generator which creates a new landing page. you add a few paragraphs of content so it's "unique" but essentially that page will look like the main site with your few paragraphs of original content above it. don't think there's an opt-in...

Dan.Thies

If you have a unique page, that greatly increases the probability that Google will leave you alone.

Dan Thies
Glorious People's Link Liberation Front

Dan.Thies

BTW, and sorry for the double post - if Frank and Trey put this together, it's definitely not going to be 2-year-old tactics that don't work. They're not idiots.

Dan Thies
Glorious People's Link Liberation Front

blillard

The second upsell was for $67 dollars. I believe the lowerd the price for the software with noe resale rights I kinda forgot.

blillard

I have a quick question for every one who claims to be an advanced marketer. In the offer video by Frank Kern he clearly states that this is a product for complete beginners right? Then why would you buy it if you already feel you are avanced in the industry? Then when you get the package, you talk about how useless it was; I don't get it. So the real question is, are you really soo advanced than you think? Does making one sell or two really make you an advanced marketer? I just want to know coming from a newbie.

Old School

If there is some magic bullet of information or some secret formula please let me know and don't tell anyone else *wink wink*

theinternetguy

info millionaire was just release less than a week ago again for the last time and all i had to pay was for the shipping which cam up to about $25 I am sure they made mmoney out of that too. it does not cost $25 to ship but anyways. It is about getting into a niche and dominating it and making lots of money but what i really liked about it is that in the video presentation frank goes on to talk about how he will show you how to dominate google adwords and get all that traffic the way he does it and also includes a software that makes your ppc google ads more friendly. I have not received the package but I ordered it and am keeping my fingers crossed..

take care everyone.

Roland

Hi All

I ordered Infomillionaire on December 18 still haven't received it, got an email this morning saying

"Your Infomillionaire monthly subscription free trial has been extended to 2/17. You will be receiving your NEW tracking number for the Welcome Kit shortly. The original shipment appears to be 'waiting' so we have gone ahead and reshipped it for you.

We apologize for the huge delay! Your card was charged for the monthly subscription today, however we have also issued a refund which should process tomorrow. Your first charge for the subscription will be on 2/17 unless you cancel prior to that date."

Like other Warriors I didn't receive an original tracking number either.

I wonder what they mean by "waiting", I'll email them and let you know

Roland

niceweb

For some reason they sent me the package twice LOL Package is allright for beginners who wanna do PPC. But i did't really help me in any way since i don't do PPC.

MichaelPaul

Yeah I know how you feel. It was sold out before I got a chance to even reach for my cc card. It's good to know there may be more spots available.

To Your Success,
Michael Paul

Dana Goetz

To the expert marketer, Don't forget you were new too once a upon a time. Even though their are upsells, infomillionaire saves you Alot of time researching these things on your own. If all you knew was how to cut and paste then this information would get you were you need to go.

If you know all about the information already, then I have seen several people on this thread alone that got in too late and would probably like to have a copy of it.

Hope that didnt come across the wrong way, but it is the truth.
Frank and Trey did a great job. Things have changed in Google since the slap, but in Franks defense he does mention using Yahoo and MSN search.

Just a thought, don't beat me up over it.

Old School

I'de just like to say that the information obtained in this thread is awesome. I've really learn so much just by reading the information each one of you contributed. Thank so much for your input

Peace and Don't sweat the small stuff!

mick535

Does anyone have the refund/ cancellation information for InfoMillionaire? If you do I would sure love to have it. I have tried InfoMillionaire support several times and they have not answered a single support request.

I wrote a detailed review of my experience with Infomillionaire and it was not positive. I haven't posted enough times here to post links, but if you go to my blog listed in my signature, it is the latest post.

BlackHatSoftware.net

mick535

I was just charged $43.95 for the Monthly Membership! I cna't cancel. My support requests have not been answered and I called the phone number only to get directed back to the same Infomillionaire support page!

This is a complete rip-off!

sueandsteve

Hi, just found this forum and thought I'd chime in. I'm brand new to IM and was feeling overwhelmed with information. Infomillionaire has been great for helping to get me up and running. My husband and I are doing a reality show documenting how we are becoming millionaires. I needed something that I could follow step by step to help get us to the next level.

I've learned a lot from Infomillionaire, although I have had my share of frustrations such as those mentioned above...my shipment was delayed, I spent $67 on extra software that I'm sure I won't be using for a long time, if ever (anyone know if that has a money-back guarantee?) I'm also curious about the posts about AdWords...is it true that what Frank is suggesting we do is actually frowned upon by Google? That's not so cool

Anyway, we've done a couple videos about our progress with Infomillionaire and have been getting great response on them. Come and check them out if you get a chance ... sueandsteveshow.com

Thanks!

Sue

niceweb

My cancellation request was processed rather quickly, maybe I was lucky.

ThomasW

Please don't waste your 9.95. The course will surprise you. It is outdated and actually has advice neither Frank or Trey could possibly believe to be beneficial. It is very weak in the knees. Better to go get a large pizza and watch TV.

Please post if you get charged for the subscription and tried to cancel. It is time to stop this type of rip off technique and the only way to do it is to gather together all the instances of this happening to people. With enough victims, maybe we can put a stop to this type of behavior.

It's hard to believe that 2 "cool dudes" who make tons of money would run such a garbage operation - just remember that part of internet marketing success is creating persuasive personas to convince your targets that it's not their fault if you don't make money with their super systems - look how much they make! Oh, and look how much all their friends and affiliates make!
And hey, be cool, chill out, it's guaranteed. Peer pressure still works.

No, they aren't idiots - far from it. 6-7000 people paid 9.95 and now have to try to cancel their subscription to something they do not want before their credit card is charged an exorbitant monthly charge.

Great concept! Surf's up dudes!

http://best.mover.ever.com

zortag

I purchased this product hoping to learn a little about PPC. After it finally arrived (weeks late) I read the material (chock full of spelling and grammar errors) and read what passed for PPC advice. They try to leave you with the impression that it is possible to get tens of thousands of 15 cent Adwords and still get enough traffic to make a business.

Since my experience has been quite different (if you bid 15 cents on either the regular or content networks, you get very little traffic and virtaully no clicks even for many thousands of long tail keywords), I decided to email them and ask a question. So I asked if they could go into more detail about how exactly they do this.

Almost a week later, I received this email:

------------------------------------
Marc,

This is an automatic reply to your email to us regarding a question or two that you had.

Unfortunately we are not able to respond to questions that are 'general' in nature. These questions are welcome, however we will be submitting these questions to Frank and Trey for possible inclusion in upcoming newsletters.

If your question is "Technical" and you have received this response, please resubmit the question using the support site; InfoMillionaire Support and choose the "Technical Issues" category.

Thank you for your interest!

Support@Infomillionaire.com

Infomillionaire
548 Market St
#22135
San Francisco, CA 94104
United States
(877) 297-9897

----------------------------


I couldn't believe it! This is customer service?

Needless to say, I cancelled immediately.

Good luck to all.
Marc

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ThomasW

Thought everyone might enjoy reading tsome of the PREDICTIONS FOR 2009 in INTERNET MARKETING by James J Jones that apply to this topic:

3. Accountability. Be warned — these newbies are internet savvy and intelligent. Many will be middle managers and executives from the financial industries. They will hold their internet marketing mentors responsible for shoddy product recommendations and unworkable schemes. These are the people who use Facebook the way Facebook was meant to be used. And if you disappoint them they will use their social networks to crush and humiliate you.

4. A flood of crappy Internet Marketing products. Most will not heed my warning above and will see this influx of marketing newbies as a way to make some quick cash by pumping out rehashed crap and junk that no longer works. If you are an Internet Marketing mentor, reviewer, product creator, or (God forbid!) Guru you should tread with caution for you will be judged.

5. Backlash against product launch whores. Ok, maybe I’m being a little harsh here but enough is enough! I don’t have anything against product launches — there is nothing inherently wrong with building up anticipation for a product or creating scarcity. Hell, Apple does it all the time. My beef lies with the “copy and paste” affiliates who are simply looking to fleece their subscribers for as much as they can before they realize they’re being sheared and hit the unsubscribe link. The day of sending out a canned email launch sequence and waiting for the money to roll in are quickly coming to an end. If you participate in product launches you need to provide some unique and valuable content to your subscribers.

James J Jones.com Blog Archive 2009 Internet Marketing Predictions

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mick535

I'm sorry Sue, but that post sounds like a salesletter instead of a real post. Anyone who has spent more than a day in this business can see that this product has zero value. The PPC is worthless, the product research is worthless, and the only real meat to the whole thing is how he tells you how to setup a domain, get web hosting, and setup an Aweber account. All very basic 1st Grade level beginner stuff.

I threw it in the trash.

Dayne Dylan

I'm a bit ticked at the whole Infomillionaire. I do like Frank Kern, etc. but this package was so basic, simple, etc. that I canceled my subscription in a heartbeat once I got it. I even contacted their support TWICE...got NO RESPONSES...and they charged me over $40 bucks this month.

Needless to say, I contacted them once again about my frustration and I better get that refunded. I'm not impressed with anything infomillionaire at all. Generic at its very best and horrible customer support. What a let down.

mick535

I'm in the same boat. Still waiting on a response after 3 Support requests and a message left on their "Support" phone number.

Dayne Dylan

Sure would be nice if Frank Kern, being a member of this forum, would speak up here and explain. Come on Frank, let us know why you have such horrible service on this product and are not responding.

There is no excuse for this kind of "support". I feel like I just got scammed by one of my online hero's and it sucks.

frank-kern

Well this is just embarrassing as hell.

First: THANK YOU.

Seriously. One one hand, I want to get all defensive (and I will in a sec regarding the product) but on the other, this feedback is invaluable.

The fact is, we got 4,000 customers in 4 hours.

Imagine that - you go from zero to 4,000 customers in 4 hours.

Personally, I've never done that before. So it's been a learning experience.

Naturally, we outsource the shipping. On one hand, I'm very happy that around 90% of our customers received their orders on time and everything was cool.

On the other hand, I feel like a schmuck because around 10% experienced delays. (10% in this case is 400 people. That's a lot of people.)

BIG LESSON: When your fulfillment company says "Yeah, we'll be ready to ship all 4,000 orders on XX date" - ASSUME THEY WILL SCREW UP.

Just add around a week to the date they give you.

I don't think the delays were intentional on their part. But there were delays none the less.

My apologies. At the end of the day, it will fall on YOUR shoulders just like it's falling on mine now.

Second: SUPPORT DELAYS

OK - this is freaking me out. If any of you guys are "old school" customers of mine, you know I'm a support freak.

I'll own up to a week's delay when we first launched. We totally screwed up and were simply unprepared for the amount of support tickets that came in (over the holidays, no less).

The reason we were unprepared is because my last launch (Mass Control Monthly Trial) went so smoothly and we had 2,000 customers in minutes.

...So I got a little cocky and figured this would go smoothly as well.

DOH!

Want to know the biggest cause of incoming tickets (that bogged us down and caused a delay)?

ME BEING A DUMB ASS.

OK - more accurately "lack of communication".

See - in the outgoing receipts, I said "We'll be sending you a tracking number in 2 days".

But I forgot to tell the fulfillment center to send the tracking numbers out when they were generated.

I just ASSumed they would since we did it that way last time.

Foolish rookie move.

Third: HELP ME OUT HERE.

There should be NO delays now. We fired one person after they screwed up and sent moronic replies like the one mentioned by "Zortag" above (awesome name, btw) ...and replaced her with three more.

We have FOUR support people now.

So you guys that are not getting responses, please let me know.

Reply with your real name so I can look you up in the system and see what is going on.

We're using InfusionSoft to track all incoming tickets so I should be able to see the exact dates and see what you sent and what was sent to you.

My guess is we've got a deliverability issue (or that I need to kick more asses).

But I need your real names. (Dayne, I don't see a Dayne Dylan. I do see a Dayne H and I see the ball was clearly dropped there. Heads will roll.)

Mick535 - need a real name.

NOW, ABOUT THE PRODUCT:

I stand behind it proudly.

So what if it has grammatical errors. I can't spell worth a damn and I type using three fingers.

The fact is, it's made for newbies.

That should have been clear by the video that sold it when I said "we show you how to cut and paste and how to use FTP".

We developed it after surveying the market (in my own business and in other people's "guru" businesses) and discovered that 70% of customers were stuck on one thing:

HOW TO GET STARTED.

So the product is addressing specific sticking points that the marketplace TOLD US they were having trouble with.

Like I said in the video, the InfoMillionaire course is designed to get you up and running.

And it's the *exact* system Trey used to bring in over $3.8MM.

Want a magic bullet? here it is:

FUNDAMENTALS + HARD WORK = MONEY

InfoMillionaire gives you the fundamentals.

The same fundamentals that worked for us.

But you know what really gets me?

I haven't had a thread like this about one of my products in YEARS. And what's awesome is this:

1. We're getting unsolicited testimonials over Twitter where people are already making money with this stuff that's "So basic".

This doesn't surprise me.

These people are giving it a try instead of complaining about how "basic" it is.

I mean, why would anyone want a complicated system for making money anyway?

Give me basic and easy any day.

So I *know* it works because people are telling me it works. Regular folks. Customers.

2. It has the highest stick rate of anything I've released.

Usually on a trial like this, you lose a lot of people immediately because you get a ton of folks who just want the free stuff or whatever. (After all, you don't even have to send anything back if you cancel. You can keep everything for free. Pretty good deal, realy.)

So I was expecting to lose around 35% of the customers right off the bat (that's pretty standard no matter what you're selling).

Anyway - I was wrong.

Not only are people more people sticking than I expected, but they're posting their successes on Twitter and emailing us as well.

And we even had a few post nice things here, which is cool.

So I'm happy with the customer results and I stand behind InfoMillionaire - typos and all.

I'll ask Trey to post some of the cool twitter success stories so hopefully it'll inspire customers to make money with the product.

End of long ramble ....coffee wearing off....

Frank

P.S. Again, Sorry about the customer service delays. I will NOT put up with that from my staff. I pay well above the norm and I expect better than this.

If you have a customer service problem that has not been resolved, please reply here with your real name and I'll get to the bottom if it right away.

Get on my list and you will make a billion dollars instantly. http://www.frankkern.com

Dayne Dylan

Yes Frank, that is me...Dayne H. I would appreciate the full refund on the charge that was just issued a few days ago because I DID cancel this right after I got the package...which was weeks ago. I got no response or anything.

Frank, I really appreciate you taking the time to make the big post. It says a lot about you. Yes, I am frustrated to find that charge this morning on my card when I clearly took the right efforts to cancel. But I'm still a fan of yours and the only marketer I really pay attention to.

Thank you again, much appreciated.

frank-kern

Dude you're right to be frustrated. I would be too. I can see where you requested the cancellation on 12/29!

What's weird is I see other questions from you that were replied to (about the video location and so forth).

Anyway - ass kicking to commence and naturally I'll cancel/refund it.

Get on my list and you will make a billion dollars instantly. http://www.frankkern.com

frank-kern

Tom Wall: I have emailed this reply to your address as well. Judging by your posts here, you might not be receiving my emails so I'll paste what I wrote to you here:


Tom,

I saw your posts on the Warrior forum here:
Anyone bought infomillionaire?

I can understand your frustration about not receiving the package in a timely fashion. I apologize for that and am embarrassed by it.

I see you submitted a refund request on 2 occasions on 1/14.

My system shows you were refunded on 1/15 (for your shipping charges).

It also shows this was sent to you via email:

"Tom,

We have refunded your order for the Welcome Kt. Your account has been credited. If you happen to receive the kit, please keep it with our compliments. Please let us know if you need anything else.



Thank you,


Infomillionaire"

...And that you were never charged for any subscription product.

Judging by your post dated 1/20, you received the package. (Most likely after you initially requested a refund - it was probably in the mail when you requested the refund. No big deal. Keep it on the house.)

I'm assuming you received the package because in your post you called it "weak in the knees" and generally gave it a negative review.

I regret that you didn't find it helpful.

But here's where I'm puzzled:

You also posted this:

"Please post if you get charged for the subscription and tried to cancel. It is time to stop this type of rip off technique and the only way to do it is to gather together all the instances of this happening to people. With enough victims, maybe we can put a stop to this type of behavior."

This leads the reader to assume you were unable to cancel and that you have somehow been a "victim".

But according to my records, you were refunded in full ...shipping charges and everything ...within 24 hours of your request.

So it would appear to me that you received my product (for free).

Is this not the case?

If you did receive it (as your forum post dated 1/20 would lead the reader to believe), why do you imply that you're the "victim" of a "rip off"?

Again, I realize the product took approximately 31 days to arrive at your door and I apologize for that. I am not disputing this fact.

I'd simply like to know how we did you such a disservice that you would imply we ripped you off in a public forum.

Sincerely,
Frank Kern

Get on my list and you will make a billion dollars instantly. http://www.frankkern.com

einfohound

I have been through the whole program. As I mentioned earlier, there were some bugs with the links to some of their tools at the beginning. I think they got those fixed. I have several problems/complaints about InfoMillionaire:

1.) I NEVER received any kind of response from several questions/support issues that I submitted.
2.) In relation to this, their contact information and support system is VERY lacking. They make it very hard to get in touch with them. The toll-free number they list has a recording on it by Trey (Frank's cousin) that basically says they probably will not respond to any voice messages (but you are welcome to leave one if you want). There is no choice to talk to a live person. He suggests that you leave a ticket on the support website. Mine were never answered.
3.) The information in the book is pretty basic by today's standards (but it was free, so...). The videos are not nearly as professional as others that are available. Trey does (most of) the videos and most of the infomation that is provided is vague and even contradicts much of the PPC advice that is given by other experts now. For example, he combines "search" and "content" campaigns. He slaps hundreds of keywords in an Adgroup - never trying to "group" them in anyway and certainly not using one keyword per Adgroup as many recommend today to get a good quality score. He does mention that they will be going into some of these things in future months. I would rather see how to do it right from the start!
4.) I'll admit up front that I am new to PPC, but using their recommendations and their landing page generator, I set up a couple campaigns in Google. It may well be that I did something else wrong (I don't know), but within one week Google had "slapped" that account and now any campaign I submit through it gets a quality score of "1" and CPC of $10.00 assigned. Google tells me that the landing pages "lack quality".
5.) Based on the problems I have had and the lack of quality that I perceived with the whole "system", I canceled my membership (via the support system again). I never heard from anyone and a monthly charge was run through my bank account (the amount was even MORE than it was suppose to be!). I called and submitted tickets. Again I have never received a response of any kind! I finally just contacted my bank today to dispute the charge.

I do not know Frank or Trey and have not bought any other products from them. Obviously Frank has been around for a while and Trey has made some money from these techniques. But my experience with this product has been much less than what I expected. Maybe they got in over their heads with the huge launch. I don't know.

frank-kern

Please leave your real name so I can look you up in the system and see what happened regarding your support ticket (and more importantly, get you refunded!)

Get on my list and you will make a billion dollars instantly. http://www.frankkern.com

marcanthony

All this over 10 bucks...

Wow!

I wonder what it would be like if some of you spent 20 bucks for Infomillionaire.

frank-kern

People would use their real names so I could look them up in the support system?

;-)

You do raise a valid point. The lower the price point, the higher the customer service expectations.

At least in this niche.

HOWEVER - we did screw up the shipping with about 10% of our orders on that first batch so folks have a right to be upset.

Get on my list and you will make a billion dollars instantly. http://www.frankkern.com

marcanthony

Yeah! But still... 10 bucks.

Watch this video and replace the word "practice" with "it's 10 bucks"

RawbertM

I bought it also. Even bought the upsell to the Frank Kern & John Reese secret video footage for $197. Almost bought the software but don't know how to evaluate it as I am brand new to IM! But here is what I've learned about the company so far. I sent a support ticket becaue I was unable to open up the videos using real player. They said how'd the answer all support questions in a very timely manner. It's been 4 days now and I haven't heard anything! Gets me a little concerned aboutthe integrity of the company!

Rawbert

ThomasW

Dear Warrior members, I want to publicly apologize to Mr. Frank Kern. I took out my frustrations on him and Trey in prior posts and I admit that I overreacted. The product was finally shipped to me - after I had requested a refund and was refunded my money and told that I could keep the product on them for my having to wait 31 days to receive it. I have to admire this from Mr. Kern and the personal email he sent to me asking why I was so upset.

Thank you for that. I know that I had reached the boiling point with info marketers products not living up to their sales pages and the horrible customer service from so many product creators.

I was never charged for the subscription to the magazine - it was cancelled for me as promised.

I apologize to Frank and to Trey. My experiences with internet marketing have left me cold and broke. I am 62 years old and have had one of the most successful sales careers in my field for the last 30 years. I wanted to learn the internet marketing business in a very sincere way to help with retirement.

I had no idea this field was so full of "medicine water" sales people and their shills. On the other hand I am happy to have done business with many, many honest business people along the way this last year.

Frank has always been enjoyable and I like his style a lot. His products were always too high priced for me but sounded interesting. I jumped at this low priced product thinking I could learn from the master so to speak and work up to his more expensive and exotic products.

When the product had not arrived after 3 weeks, I lost it and after reading several posts here, thought I was about to be ripped off once again. I should have been more patient.

Once again - Frank proves he is a decent man and I ask that the rest of you waiting for the product to be patient - it will arrive.

Now I plan on finding other things to do and other ways to supplement my retirement. This has not been a fun ride.

http://best.mover.ever.com

mick535

Its not the $9.95, its the $43.95 for the monthly subscription we have been charged while trying to cancel unsuccessfully.

Frank, (I sent you a PM with my personal information regarding the Infomillionaire order)

I appreciate you coming out here in the forum and giving us all the lowdown on your product and your current support problems. I am a long time marketer, not a guru, and I only just started posting in this forum. I'm not a big forum guy, but I do know a thing or 2 about making money with internet marketing. Mostly on the dark side.

I appreciate your point of view and your book does point straight to beginners. You know as well as I that there is not sufficient detail in how to research and develop an information product. The Clickbank thing was extremely vague. I look at a product like Commission Blueprint, which is almost identical to your course in overall methodology, yet has layer upon layer of detail. I think that by stressing different points, especially points which involve the importance of different tactics which will keep people from losing tons of money with Google Adwords, should have been included. You know what I'm talking about. It is not all as easy as it is made out to be. If it were, we would all be filthy rich and none of us would be talking here in this forum.

I guess the bottom line is that when I ordered this product I had hoped for a product that gave me something I didn't already have. I hoped it would describe to me how to effectively create information products; better than I am already. In the end, I did not see anything that would make me say, "Wow, I can create info products so much more effectively now!" Telling me to copy someone else's product after I found a Clickbank product which is profitable is not what I expected.

Sorry. I appreciate your work and I actually liked the newsletter. It's not worth $43.95 a month, but it wasn't bad.

Once again, I appreciate your honesty and willingness to help us out.

Thanks.

Mike

Black Hat Cat

Well, to be fair, it's not over just 10 bucks, it's over the $47 or whatever it is monthly fee folks don't want to get charged too.

Before you jump off this train to board another, did you ever actually try to do any of the things in all those other products you bought? Is it an issue of the techniques not working, or is an issue of you not working the techniques? More often than not, it tends to be the latter. Since you got Infomillionaire(for free no less), why not do what it says to do?

dunester

I ordered my copy from the January 2009 batch. Anyone who ordered this year received theirs yet?

treysmith

Hey, Trey here... Frank emailed me about this and wanted to chime in.

First off I want to sincerely apologize for ANY support or delivery issues.

If you have anything that's not dealt with, send an email to
support@infomillionaire.com with the subject "SEND THIS
TO TREY DAMMIT!" and I will take care of it like NOW.

We should be totally cool on everything, but if anything ever gets out
of hand... you just send a TREY DAMMIT email and I'm on it.

Secondly, I am the world's worst when it comes to grammar. Seriously,
I'm reeally bad.

Know what's funny though?

I had this one sales copy in a niche full of grammatical errors and
stuff. I probably got an email about it once a week, but the damn thing
converted like crazy.

So finally someone emailed me a copy of my sales letter with every
grammatical issue highlighted in an HTML file. I figured that
was a sign and decided to spruce it up.

And believe it or not, I started noticing a small dip in sales. Split
tested it and sure enough it slightly HURT my conversion rate. (I figured
out it's because I typically write like I talk... and the changes took away
some of the flow of the sales page itself.)

Random note there. But regardless, I actually DID send the latest
newsletter to someone to proofread, so we'll see how that works out

OK, so a couple real quick points on the course itself:

- Yes, it was marketed and made for beginners.

- The 192 page Infomillionaire Manual is DEFINITELY basic... but ironically
I used the EXACT same method to pull in around $5,000,000 in the three
years I've been doing this.

- The idea was to have the Infomillionaire Welcome Kit (big box) be basic
and super easy to digest fundamentals that anyway could learn.

- The monthly newsletters/CD will contain advanced stuff and basic
fundamentals that are making us a ton of money. (Example: In the next
newsletter we got advanced stuff like 2 clickbank automation scripts, new
technique to beat Google slap for affiliates, etc. Also we'll show you
how we made $26,000 doing something that took us about 5 minutes, but we
almost didn't do. Yup, it was something fundamental that people
usually forget)

- We wanted ALL the stuff (fundamental or advanced) to be easy to learn.

So far people are really digging it too.

As Frank mentioned, we've had people emailing us and messaging us on twitter
telling us how much money they've made using the system.

Which is freakin' awesome.

Here's some of the twitter messages...

This guy logged in his clickbank account shocked to find out he made his first
$500 using our course:

Twitter / ChrisSpinney: Just logged into Clickbank ...

Another guy immediately made $160 after implementing one thing from the
newsletter (Actually, looks like this is elliot on the forum here... read your
blog too dude, good stuff):

Twitter / Elliot Webb: @masscontrolkern Thanks to ...

This one is awesome. Chip Cummings sent it to me today.

He came up with an idea a week ago, took action and made $50,000 in one hour
(and quotes infomillionaire for being the cause to take action):

Twitter / ChipCummings: @treysmith Just wanted to ...
Twitter / ChipCummings: @treysmith Not directly- i ...

All these guys have only received the Welcome Kit. They haven't gotten
into the advanced stuff yet.

But really, that's not important. The common factor between these guys wasn't
their knowledge of internet marketing or their experience, it is simply the
fact they took action. Heck, the dude who made $50k in an hour even says
that in the second twitter post.

And that is TRULY what it's all about. Taking action. (and having a "roadmap"
and actually knowing what to do doesn't hurt either

Alright, wife just called and needs me to pick up some bread and stuff on the
way home... gotta run.

Thanks,

Trey

P.S. - ThomasW no worries at all. Also, the single best marketing
advice I could give to someone starting out is to test as many different niches
as possible.

I call it "drilling for oil". I've literally tested probably 90 new niches in the last
6 months even though my business is already doing fine (honestly, I kind of
enjoy it and developed some automation strategies). So many people get
frustrated after a few failures happen... but that is TRULY when you learn the
most. I'm still learning new stuff everyday by staying in the trenches and "failing".
So keep trying and don't give up!

ThomasW

Had to respond to blackhat cat post -
Re-read Mick 535 post. You obviously did not get this product and read the material. Mick 535 did and his post is right on. I apologized for thinking I was going to be one of the unlucky ones who have been experiencing problems getting a refund. After 3 weeks that can happen.

I agree with Mick 535 completely. Getting a refund and an apology shows something, but over all it is amazing that something like this would be allowed to happen from a man who has worked hard to earn a loyal following. As you can see from this thread, you have 2 sides - those who feel the product is not very good and also experienced terrible customer service and the other side who have that smugness about themselves that just irritates the xxxx out of me. The "gee, it's only $10.00 what do you expect, morons?"

Maybe that line should be included in the sales page and videos. Then there would be no need for a thread like this one.

marcanthony - the next time you visit a steak house and after reading the description in the menu for a thick, juicy,aged steak and it is on special for only $9.95 then ordering it - then waiting 4 hours for it to get to the table with no explanation of why it is taking so long - and, you know that in another hour you are going to be charged $47 for your parking and you begin to hear of other diners who never got their steak or if they did get it, it was actually hamburger - don't get upset okay? After all, it was only $9.95

Bottom line - I hope Frank comes out with a new great product and delivers it on time and everyone lives happily after. It would also be nice to see the defenders of this product and this lack of customer service stop sucking up long enough to learn from this experience.

I can still respect a master marketer like Frank Kern - anyone can make a mistake - and he has done his best to rectfy the situation and return money to those who asked for it back. He is too good for this - however his rabid defenders have not purchased the product, read the maual, watched the video, or experienced any of the problems people are rightly bringing up on this thread. You are the problem with internet marketing right now. Smug know it alls who look down on your "newbie" customers as complainers and whiners.

I hope Frank wins people back by doing the right things and I hope everyone on this thread remembers the ones who have sneered and ridiculed them for having legitimate complaints and that no one purchases anything from them.
Their are many honest marketers with excellent products who respect those of us who are kust starting out and trying to learn the ropes. Deal with them only - support the good guys and women in this field of endeavor.

http://best.mover.ever.com

Pam M

Well, it's more than the $10. It's more than the $40+ continuity.
Frank was promoting more than a program or a how-to guide.
He was promoting hope and dreams. He did a fine job of it, too.

If I were a total cornball, I'd say he "had me at hello" with his
videos and initial emails. But since I'm pretty much a level-headed
lady, I'll just say I like the guy and his reputation precedes him.

I have Infomillionaire and initially, I was happy with it. Even though
I've known *what* I need to do, I didn't know *how* to do it. Frank
and Trey do a good job of connecting the dots. Being technically
challenged, the "how" was worth waaay more than $10. Thanks, Frank
and Trey for that.

But then I read the posts here - and other blog posts as well- discussing
the relationship between Frank's landing page generator (that includes
the Ninja version) and Google. One day success, then Google slaps, then..
what? I can't afford to throw money away on an outdated strategy that is
doomed to fail from the start. And yea, I follow someone on Twitter
that did have success on day one. But then... not so much. Slappped
silly by Google? I don't know.

What I would really love to see is Frank address the issues regarding
his landing page generator and how it fits in with what All Mighty Google
deems acceptable. That is my only issue. I don't care if he can spell,
I don't even care if his customer service stinks at this point. (Oh, I
need to mention Frank personally answered an email about product
delivery within 24 hrs - that was nice.)

The bottom line is just let me know my faith in another guru has not
been misplaced.

For the record, I did cancel my subscription earlier. Then I come here and
find Frank's replies and I'm wondering if I was too hasty in my decision to
cancel. Maybe he'll make things right and explain how his system does not
contradict Google's best practice. If that's the case, I hope I can get
back in somehow. If not, he won't miss my $40 a month. And I know for
sure there are other honorable folks out there I can rely on.

As of today, I still have faith in Frank. Not only because of my own
observations and judgments, but because a dear friend works
closely with him tells me he's one of the good guys. And because he's
a good ole boy from Georgia. That goes along way in these parts :0

Best,
Pam

Party Plan Pat

And now you know the secret to effective marketing. Lots of hype, scarcity and then people talk about it, then you raise the price and tah dah....u are an info millionaire! ya digg

Patricia Kagwiria Makhulo
Party Plan Pat
Personally Coached And Mentored By Ann Sieg, The Renegad Network Marketer!
Direct Sales Marketing Consultant

sueandsteve

I can't quote messages because I'm new so I've mixed up the colors to seperate posts

Originally Posted by Sue1111
Hi, just found this forum and thought I'd chime in. I'm brand new to IM and was feeling overwhelmed with information. Infomillionaire has been great for helping to get me up and running. My husband and I are doing a reality show documenting how we are becoming millionaires. I needed something that I could follow step by step to help get us to the next level.

I've learned a lot from Infomillionaire, although I have had my share of frustrations such as those mentioned above...my shipment was delayed, I spent $67 on extra software that I'm sure I won't be using for a long time, if ever (anyone know if that has a money-back guarantee?) I'm also curious about the posts about AdWords...is it true that what Frank is suggesting we do is actually frowned upon by Google? That's not so cool

Anyway, we've done a couple videos about our progress with Infomillionaire and have been getting great response on them. Come and check them out if you get a chance ... sueandsteveshow.com

Thanks!

Sue

Quote from Mick535:

I'm sorry Sue, but that post sounds like a salesletter instead of a real post. Anyone who has spent more than a day in this business can see that this product has zero value. The PPC is worthless, the product research is worthless, and the only real meat to the whole thing is how he tells you how to setup a domain, get web hosting, and setup an Aweber account. All very basic 1st Grade level beginner stuff.

I threw it in the trash.

My new post...

You know what's funny? The part of Infomillionaire I've been stuck on is writing the sales letters, so I guess I've discovered I'm not so bad at it after all

I'm not sure what makes you think the post isn't real. I talk about what I like about Infomillionaire and what I don't like. Perhaps it's because it's my first post? I just discovered this forum the day I left that post...and I came here to see if anyone else was doing Infomillionaire. Come and join me on twitter and you'll see I'm pretty real (user ID susansierra...I can't post links because I'm new).

Before you insult me and my situation, maybe check into what I'm about first. Watch some of my videos, or check out what a few people are saying on this board... tinyurl.com/amms42

Infomillionaire is exactly what I needed. I'm a radio announcer and my husband is a musician. Neither of us knew a thing about internet marketing until we started our show 2 months ago. I'm internet and computer savvy, but I had no idea people were making a ton of money selling stuff this way. Once I found that out, I wanted to learn more and Infomillionaire was simply the first system I came across that could teach me what I needed to know.

Frank and Trey, thank you for putting this product out. I'm a newbie, and I appreciate what I've learned so far. It sounds like there are some kinks to work out, but I'm certain you'll take care of it and I'm really enjoying the process so far.

I made the decision 2 months ago that I would become a millionaire...figure out how to do it and show others how to do it too. I've "put it out there" and am watching the pieces fall into place. It's incredible what happens when you believe and just let go..

Sue

susansierra on twitter
sueandsteveshow.com

If you can desire it, the universe can provide it ~Abraham Hicks

Simon Ashari

I liked the product (as previously stated) and liked the monthly subscription.

one problem...

In the last 2 days i was charged for the second monthly newsletter (a newsletter which i fully intend to stick to) but i did not recieve the news letter in the mail.

I intend to wait a week and then submit a support ticket (don't know if it will be answered judging by all the comments here)

that is on my mind.

This was just what i needed as it was the technical aspect of setting up a website that got me.



regards

simon

mick535

Sue,

I have to apologize, but when I saw your post I actually thought it was a fake post since you only had 1 post to your name (not that I have many). If the product has helped you; great. The thing is, that you have been given a small slice of a bigger pie. If you were only looking to learn how to begin in Internet Marketing, then you would think you would buy a program called: Internet Marketing for Beginners. But....When I buy a program called InfoMillionaire....My expectations for the product are higher.

Based on what I have read, InfoMillionaire, the $9.95 version, was just the hook for the subscription. You see this with a lot of the big Internet Marketing "Guru's" now. Mike Filsaime is giving away some of his biggest product so you can get a test subscription (just like this) to his $30ish Monthly Newsletter. Why give you everything with one product when I can get you coming back for more every month and make twice as much money. I'm not complaining about it. Hell, it is darn good marketing and it obviously works really well.

So, once again, I apologize. But I suggest you do some more research in this forum and others for products which will help you in your quest more effectively.