ypm

Mick,

Do you have specific product(s) in mind? I'd like to hear which product(s) you would recommend to someone starting out and looking for a good beginner's guide.

Thanks!

dunester

I ordered my copy on 15th Jan and it arrived today, guess I was one of the lucky ones!

As mentioned in other posts the content is VERY basic. Ideal for someone who has never heard of affiliate marketing, autoresponders, web hosting, FTP and building websites before.

I think the problem with it is that it was marketed to people who know alot of this stuff anyway. I'm new to affiliate marketing, and in the time it's taken infomillionaire to arrive I've learned everything inside it from google searches for free.

The monthly news letter content is about the same, it also includes some suggested websites, for various things, which I'm sure Frank & his crew are affiliated with. Sign up to a few top affiliate news letters and you'll get all this info and more for free, delivered direct to your inbox.

To sum up: 192 pages of very large fonts & lots of white space. If your current internet use only extends to surfing, and you want to become an affiliate then get it. If you're anything but a surfer don't bother - you probably know most of it already, and what you don't know you'll know where to find it already.

sueandsteve

Mick,

Cool, thanks...apology accepted

I too would like to hear what others recommend as good (better?) products to try.

I'm also still curious about the "Google slapping". Has anyone heard a response about that from Frank or Trey? If I go through the whole process and buy some pay per clicks, is Google going to tell me I'm not allowed to link to an affiliate page? If so...isn't this a major flaw in the system?

Dayne Dylan

That was a BIG issue I had with infomillionaire. They make it seem so easy to just put together your site, slap it up and get under 20 cents a click on Google and very little to NO talk about the Google Slap or Quality Score. Trust me...that is a HUGE component that can not be overlooked.

msmonline

Frank,

I have also sent several tickets to your support regarding my subscription, but have not received any replies back. I was also recently charged $43.95, which was the reason for the 2nd and 3rd ticket to your support. Would you please look into this for me.

Thanks,

Gary B

buta2007

I wanted to purchase this infomillionair product, but it was sold out. Any idea when is next one coming out?

marcanthony

WHAT The F???

All you've done here is make me hungry!

Look...

I, like many of you had the same issue...

Except...

I actually bought Infomillionaire because I was interested more in Infomillionaire monthly...

I wanted to see how it compared to The Net Effect(Stompernet's monthly newsletter)

In the end--I decided to cancel Infomillionaire monthly--and I haven't been able to successfully do so yet... not the end of the world!

My point is this... whether it's 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 bucks--so f-ing what--everything will be worked out

Every so-called "problem" has a solution. I hardly find--complaining in a marketing forum as being one.

I can assure you that trivial stuff never upsets me...

Honestly, what results do you ever get in return from being upset?

Being upset doesn't do a damn thing... It definitely doesn't solve problems. If anything it makes problems worse for the upset party

If the police arrest you for being in a drunken bar fight--and they take you to jail--you can get as upset as you want--you're still going to jail.

Listen... I understand the frustrations--I also realize that this is the product review section of the forum--this is where people have an open platform to critique products.

I think that more time should be spent discussing/reviewing products--rather than the support issues that very few people are having.

These threads are too easily hijacked with nonsensical ranting on issues that 95% of the time can not be solved in a forum... like support issues.

Luckily--In this case F. Kern stopped by and has been able to help some of you. However, this is not usually the outcome.

If people are having support issues--they should be handled elsewhere... In my opinion...

Someone new to this forum may stop by... read some of this thread--and form an opinion that Infomillionaire is a bad product because they don't provide good support--when the truth is that they have excellent support--and the product is great for newbies(which is the group this product was inteneded for)


Unfortunately, the biggest flaw that Infomillionaire Support has--is that it's run by human beings that aren't perfect 100% all of the time.


Marc

mick535

Sorry Marc, but I don't agree with you on this point at all. When people invest ina product, they are also investing their time, not just their money. You mighthave that kind of time, but I guarantee that is not the case for everyone. Plus, if anything has been resolved in this forum about Infomillionaire; it is the fact that the support is definitely not "excellent". I had Frank tell me two days ago that I was submitted for my refund and I still have not received it. Hopefully I get it today (sometimes credit card refunds take a little time, I understand this).

I think in most cases you are correct. This is not the support forum for Infomillionaire. The problem is...there is no support forum.

Infomilionaire was not marketed as a product for newbies. It was marketed that even newbies would be able to use it because they would show you how to do the basics.

Let's look at the product name and product claims for InfoMillionaire:

"We've done our best to keep this as simple as possible...eliminating all the fluff and leaving only real useable information that will get you fast results. If you follow the steps that we outline for you, there is no question that you can have a profitable internet online business of your own in a very short time. Betwen the two of us, we've sold over $4,732,453 of digital products on the internet using this system (and counting).

In my review, I stated how I disagreed that this sytem would work. In fact, I believe it is just a poor man's version of Commission Blueprint. The Google Ambush program also has a landing page builder, but it has a lot more features than the one included with this program.

Sue: You asked where you could get more information on how to learn internet marketing. First off: Right here in this forum. Read the reviews on products and pick one that is geared for newbies.

Second: If we look at the programs which are highlighted in Infomillionaire; you wll notice that each domain name you are referred to go to for the product is different that the real domain name for that product. All affiliate redirects using the Ninja Landing Page creator I assume. If you want to learn how to use these programs, there are other options. Maily YouTube which boasts tons of free tutorials on these basics.

Think this: (as opposed to the Infomillionaire directly linked products)

1. Instead of Godaddy, how about Namecheap (my favorite)
2. Insted of Researching Clickbank at Clickbank.com (not Clickbank3000.com), try CBEngine.com
3. Instead of Mid-Phase hosting (sucks), try Hostmonster or Hostgator (for beginners)
4. Instead of Aweber at Aweber.com, not AweberElite.com (afiliate redirect) autoresponders, try GetResponse.com (my favorite again)
5. Instead of spending $300 on Dreamweaver, try the free NVU, and when you learn the basics with this free program, then try to move up to the more complicated Dreamweaver at Adobe.com (not UltraDreamweaver.com (affiliate redirect))
6. Google Adwords is Google Adwords, but I am pretty sure you can get there by using adwords.google.com as opposed to: SetupAdwords.com.
7. Instead of Wordtracker (one of the best programs, but not the best in my opinion), try Wordze.com. (I'm certain you can get to Wordtracker at Wordtracker.com, not WordtrackerPro.com (affiliate redirect).
8. Cam Studio Pro is a program I used before I started actually using Camtasia, but you can get to the website via CamStudioPro.com, not the affiliate redirect: CamStudioSoft.com

If you look at this list and are thinking, why did he write all of that? the reason is: These are all the programs hawked by the Infomillionaire program. Every one of these is focused on making money from a beginner who doesn't know any better. When I read the Infomillionaire manual, I took this as an insult to my intelligence. Yes, we all market affiliate links. But I took this as a blatant attempt to take advantage of newbies, as opposed to appearing as a legitimate product focused on helping them. A beginner would not see this and that is the problem I have with it. Most products hawk other products. But this product is coming from one of the more respected dou's in Internet Marketing and I expect more from them. Why, with all the money these guys have already made, would they have to milk profits from affiliate links? They are making millions from their Info products, right? Or are they?

This is my final opinion on the subject guys. I am off to better threads.

Thanks.

Mike

marcanthony

I understand where you are coming from

I think that this is a semantic point--but I can accept that.

I believe that this is accurate.

Not a fair comparison... Commission Blueprint isn't even close to being for beginners

These are all products that a newbie should have--or have at some point.

If I'm a newbie--and I need an Autoresponder, a domain, hosting, etc.. I really wouldn't care what link I purchased from--It costs the same amount of money.

Sure, there marketing was strategic--It was supposed to be. I don't understand why you or anyone else would take offense to marketers being marketers.


Are you suggesting that they should also stop sending emails promoting affiliate products?Because by your way of thinking--that could also be considered "milking profits from affiliate links."


Take care

Marc

mick535

No, not all all. It wasn't the fact they were marketing affiliate links. It was the methodology.

It really comes down to being straight forword. As most marketing experts tell you, people are not dumb, and to market to them as if they are will set you up for failure as a marketer. Treat your customers with respect up front. Use "BackDoor Marketing" to achieve profits without sacrificing principle. "In Your Face Marketing" will ultimately only turn off customers. As it did for me. Ultimately InfoMillionaire is just a hook product for the Newsletter series anyway.

I guess I looked at this product as a marketer more so than as a customer and that was my failing.

The rest of your opinions are solid. It just depends on your point of view. This is mine.

Thanks Marc.

Mike

marcanthony

Which they were very straight forward about...


And I respect and appreciate your point of view

We should chat sometime!

Thanks Mike

mick535

Thanks man.

Yes we should.

Mike

msmonline

Off to submit yet another support ticket....don't know what else to do...

insidr_trdr

Hi Sue,

I've notice that you said you're new to online marketing Sue...
& I commend you for getting stared. Welcome aboard!

I myself, had joined this forum many months ago, but have neglected to use it, until now. Being pre-occupied with other forums & courses.

Anyway, I just so happened to have a nosy at your site... & noticed a few things that might help you out to improve on it. (Hope you don't mind?)

You probably aren't yet aware of this... but if you choose to write words on a website, ...or anywhere for that matter - it's best to have 'black text on a white background' NOT the other way around!
Are you able to comfortably read the text on your site without scquinting?
Aswell as a text font of at least 10 or 11.

It just makes it alot easier on the eyes & readablitiy will improve.
Aswell as possible traffic to your site... if people like what they read & tell others or decide to come back. (Exactly what you want to happen, right?)

You need to provide them with a good enough reason to return.

Hope you don't take me as being critical...
Just would like to help you out.

Regards,

Shaun

mick535

I am proud to say I finally received my refund and cancellation from the guys at InfoMillionaire.

Thanks all!

sueandsteve

Thanks Shaun...I appreciate the constructive criticism very much. I had already planned on increasing the font size and finally figured out how to do it. We really love the theme we're using, so I'm not sure we could change it to a white background with black text, but I'm curious to know if you think it looks better now?

Thanks again!

einfohound

I, too, wanted to leave an update on my dissatisfaction. Within ten minutes of my (second) post on this thread, I was contacted via PM by Frank. This was a bit of a surprise. I had not been reading all the posts and seen that he had been taking a more "active" role after quite a few complaints. After he "checked it out", I did receive a refund of the monthly charge (that should not have been charged) and the initial shipping fee (which I did not expect).

While, in my opinion, they do earn back some support points for that, I still feel that the product is "not enough" in some areas (Adwords campaigns) and "too much" in other areas (developing your own product). If it is directed at "newbies", as they claim, then I think they should have spent more time/training on the Adwords side and introduced the develop product side later in their monthly membership area. Not to many newbies are ready for the product arena.

Lastly, I have to question why, given all the problems they had with the release of the program (10% undelivered/late, support issues, software issues, etc.) did they turn around and re-release it to another 4,000 people just a few weeks after the initial release? I hope they have most of the problems ironed out. Either that or they are gluttons for punishment!

DavidParsons

I have to agree with you there.

As a newbie, I would like to see a lot more info on testing niches and getting around the Google slap. I didn't need the step-by-tiny-step instruction on domain registration, host account setup, and dreamweaver download.

I got my start up kit without too long of a wait. But after giving it a try and getting slapped by Google right away, I haven't tried it again...yet.

I am waiting for the info monthly to see if it will cover adwords and choosing a niche in more detail. If it is just more on creating a product I'll cancel.

I have some doubt as to whether adwords is even a good place for a newbie to start, but I have no doubt that Infomillionaire can be a money maker.

Dave

P.S. I just received another start up kit in my P.O. box today. Well... at least I didn't have to drive all the way to the UPS headquarters to get this one.

Black Hat Cat

It isn't a course on Adwords. The course is ABOUT making money by creating and promoting your own product, lol. Not sure it would be a good idea to cut back on that part. If anything, they should have devoted more information to it, because what they presented was rather general.

Of course newbies aren't ready for the product arena. That's the point of the course...to get them ready. That's like arguing that a course on Adwords should teach something else because newbies aren't ready for Adwords yet, lol.

SVCLICK

Can somebody please tell me how can I cancel my infomillionaire subscription (and probably get refunded)?

DanShaw

I would really like to meet you because I can identify with the way you think in several ways. And by the way, I also live in Long Beach. Since I'm new to this forum, finding you is like trying to catch a rabbit in his own back yard, so you may have to find me. I'll check my messages to see if you read this from me.

vendingmachineone

Guys, I got my infomillionaire kit late, but all is good. I went throught it step-by-step and I've made my first sale using the ninja cloaker! Awesome! As a newbie to IM (I'm a programmer so I'm not new to the web) I found that the intructions to sign up and set up adwords, aweber etc. was helpful in that it provided the momentum for me to explore and learn the other parts of these tools. Where this course falls short is with adwords. Yea, Trey did mention "relevancy" and he did mention msn adcenter and yahoo search marketing but... you gotta tell people how to get over the google slap! I spent $54.00 on adwords inorder to make a $33.00 commission on a $49 product!

Can anybody reccommend a thread where I can find information on how I can get over the dreaded google slap?

I want 10 cent clicks? is that still possible? how?


In short, infomillionaire gave me momentum. It made internet marketing less intimidating because it gave me a structure.

Also, most newbies fail in IM because they comsume a lot of information but, they don't take action, because of this paralysis they get from having too much information. Anyone who is starting out in IM should pick one system, stick with it and follow it to the tee all the way through. Infomillionaire is great.. for newbies.. sucks for google slap info...

Thanks!

mick535

Let me know when your bid amounts jump to $10 per click with the pages you made with the Ninja Cloaker as most who have used it have received the Google Slap.

Anyone else have some test results on this? I am not brave enough to try.

Black Hat Cat

Does anyone know when issue two comes out? It's been over a month since issue one arrived...well, for me anyway. My copy wasn't delayed.

Michael Mason

I thought I would get a copy of Infomillionaire when I had the chance to. It sounds like other people have had lots of problems with the service, so I guess I was one of the lucky ones.

It took about 2 weeks for it to ship to me, which isn't too bad considering it took others much longer. After reading about the problems here I quickly contacted the support and asked for them to cancel the subscription so I was not charged for another monthly magazine. They politely did it the next day.

As for Infomillionaire itself, it is much like the other people said. The information is pretty basic, but remember that it is intended for beginners. I thought that it would be a little more than this though and was slightly disappointed.

There actually is some good material in the guide. The PPC section is kind of weak though. At one point he says you can pay as little as .01 cent for each click. I highly doubt that a newbie will be paying that little and getting good traffic though.

Most of the recommendations in the guide are affiliate links. There are some free and/or better alternatives for many options (mentioned earlier in this thread). However, from an IMers perspective, I can understand including affiliate links.

My main problem with the guide is that it is not the easiest plan for beginners. Dreamweaver and hosting? Most newbies would be completely confused. There are many free ways to make landing pages, so beginners should start with those. Also, there is hardly any content on article marketing, which is another good starting place for beginners.

I did enjoy the monthly magazine though. It had some good tips for intermediate level marketers. I haven't checked out the videos or the cd yet, but they may have some good information too and I want to check them out when I get a chance. The swipe html files on the cd sound promising.

All in all, if you are new then I think it is worth the shipping and handling to get this. If you want to get into marketing without spending a lot on Adwords, then there are other good guides to check out too. Thanks for the guide Frank.

alg6565

Like many who have posted here I am disappointed with Infomillionaire.

As Mick535 stated: The course was not marketed at newbies but was an attempt at simplifying the process of creating/finding a product and marketing it in a way that even a newbie could understand. At no point do I remember the course being labelled as a basic course for beginners only. If this point had been made then they would have suffered reduced sales but at least you would not have intermediate/experienced marketers buying a product telling them how to sign up for Clickbank or a hosting account etc.

I bought the system because I expected some real detail in how to create my own product. There really wasn't much in-depth information. I also would have expected much more detail on how to research a niche. I don't believe that Frank and Trey just head over to Clickbank and do all their research there. There are so many other places to see what are popular niches.

The idea that you can use the Landing Page Creator (Ninja) to put up a few paragraphs of content that will give a good Quality score from Google due to the relevancy of your landing page to the Adwords ad, but that the content is not displayed with the visitor being redirected to the vendor page via your affiliate link, seems deeply flawed.

Google will quickly catch onto this and your click price will shoot through the roof and any future campaigns you wish to run - even if you later put up quality landing pages with no sneaky redirects -will be affected. You would then be forced to set up another Adwords account.

Frank or Trey have already addressed customer service issues but have remained quiet on the validity of using this key technique of Infomillionaire. I would like a solid statement that this technique is not going to draw down the wrath of Google. (In the Monthly Training CD Trey states that this Ninja software redirect technique does not go against Google TOS but that does not seem likely).

Google is only interested in looking after the 'searchers' and delivering the best results to them on any given topic, not having poor quality websites redirecting to affiliate products.

I am in total agreement with Mick535's view on the affiliate links. It is one thing to surf the web and have people recommend products while using affiliate links but when you have paid for a course (with an expectation that you will remain signed on as a member) you expect to get genuine advice without bias...basically advice that will benefit you at the least possible cost and make it as easy as possible.

When I saw the section entitled "Creating a high profit website" I was expecting some useful pointers and examples of website layouts and designs that converted; instead it was just a excuse to promote Dreamweaver via their Ultradreamweaver site (cloaked link to Adobe's site) and FTP software

To recommend Dreamweaver - which is a fairly advanced HTML editor - as a way for beginners to create webpages is ridiculous. I thought the whole point of the course was to simplify the process of getting started and taking action. Learning Dreamweaver is not that simple - I have a 1000 page training manual and a 21 hour video course as testament to that!

There are other ways of quickly creating a web page - Wordpress blogs, weebly.com or other software that can be used to quickly put up a sales page. It might not be as beautiful as a Dreamweaver page but it will be a damn site quicker! None of these other options are mentioned because it will reduce the number of sign ups to the affiliate promotions.

There is free FTP software out there and hosting companies better than the one they recommended.

In summary, Infomillionaire is very basic information that has been cobbled together to allow the inclusion of as many affiliate products as possible, without regard to alternative products/services that might be better suited to an individual but that do not carry a commission.

Some of the information is highly questionable regarding Adwords, something a beginner might have no knowledge of.

The days of putting up low quality sites or simply redirecting visitors to an affiliate site are long gone if you wish to use Adwords or rank well in the organic search results.

The Infomillionaire process seems to have been to hype up a basic product (with limited and dubious info) - that you give away for free - that will make people believe that there is an easy way to create profitable info products, sign them up to a membership scheme, try to upsell them other products and finally use your free product to promote affiliate products.

Very disappointed!

Cynthia Mosher

I have also had no response from support and got charged $62.99 on the 20th of January. I have no idea why I got charged that price but I still want to cancel.

JulienH

Same thing here, I'm going to cancel too.

Leanne King

I've got to say I ordered on the first round and received my copy ...........today I'm thinking it went via Stompernet's fulfillment centre Have to say though when I did email support a few weeks ago they could not have been more helpful or nicer - they were really great and re-shipped it pretty well straight away as well as extending the time to cancel etc.

Leanne

buxnut

Finally received mine yesterday, after multiple emails explaining why it took so long. Turned out to be just another PPC -> Landing Page -> ClickBank deal. I found it to be far too general in nature to even formulate any kind of viable plan from. Keyword research section was extremely thin, and the examples were for ultra-competitive markets (golf, learn Spanish) that will get newbies absolutely slaughtered (I know, they were only examples. I also know that newbies always base their first campaign or two on the examples they learned from. I think Frank and Trey know this too). As mentioned earlier in the thread, the book is stuffed with affiliate links. I have no issue whatsoever with marketers earning affiliate commissions from training materials. However, this 'tutorial' appears to have been written for the sole purpose of generating sales for the authors at the expense of thousands of 'trainees', who have literally no chance of succeeding with the methods outlined in this manual.

Just my 2 cents.

Dredger

I bought it and the Monthly Gold Membership, and I think it would be a "good thing" if Frank or Trey would address at least some of these questions/problems here in the Forum.

Dredger

mick535

I have noticed that they have not returned here to comment, but I am sure they read this thread on a daily basis. They might be extremely hesitant to answer some of the harder questions posed here; like the Ninja Cloaker questions, due to the fact that they have to answer in a forum where people know a little more about PPC than the newbies they originally marketed to.

As for returns: I PM'd Frank here in this thread (if you go back a page or two, you'll see his post) and I received my refund 3 days later.

sy|\|tax

Hi folks,

Firstly, thanks to the forum creator(s). I spent many precious hours today reading the contents of this site. I must say it was time well spent.

Secondly, I'd like to extend a sencere thank-you to Frank and Trey for your efforts with this product. I've been in the IT industry for 10+ years, and half of that time was spent doing web design. The funny thing was, until I stumbled upon you guys (and a few others) I had no idea about SEO - strange but true. The Infomillionaire course is excellent. I found a few areas very basic (understandibly), but the IM sections were exactly what I was looking for in the course...and more. Only minor issues with the landing page generator code and screen cam videos.

For those who initially had issues with support requests, I feel your pain, as I'm going through the same issues right now with Google. But more on that later. Within 2 days of sending an email to cancel my subscription, I had a reply saying that it was done.

Now, you're all probably saying "if the course was soooo great, why did you cancel". Well, like many other posters here, the dreaded "Ninja Cloaker" killed me. Initially, I followed the course step by step, making slight modifications. For one, instead of using a landing page, I tried the cloaker tool.

Within 25 minutes of setting up my Adwords account I was suspended. For those of you who say Frank and Trey have horrible support, when was the last time you submitted an email to Google Adwords support? Obviously never...because if you had, you'd realize that NOBODY works at Google. They're a billion dollar company and have nobody answering support questions. Anyway, my account has been suspended for a few weeks, and I just finished tweaking my sites and emailed again begging to have my account re-evaluated, *cross your fingers*.

So to re-iterate: Great course with minor issues, poorly designed ninja cloaker software with Googles new TOS. Google sinks their money into designing bots instead of employing actual humans.

Cheers,
Curtis

P.S. The worst part about all of this is that I have a killer landing page and can't use it...*sigh*

Cynthia Mosher

An update: I received notification of my cancellation and refund within 12 hours of posting here and opening a support ticket at Infomillionaire. Now THAT is excellent support.

alg6565

Curtis,

You must be an incredibly tolerant person to still be pleased with the Infomillionaire course when it has got you into such trouble with Google.

I'm confused why you think that you will not be able to use your landing page? Anyone who wants to promote a product can set up their own landing page detailing the product, drive traffic to it via Adwords, SEO, article marketing etc and then at this stage many people will simply have a clickable affiliate link through to the merchant's website. This does not violate Google's TOS because it is your website and it's down to the visitor to click through, you are not redirecting them, while displaying 'invisible' content to the Googlebot.

If you set up a basic review page, you are effectively pre-selling the visitor on the product and then letting the merchant's sales page convert. Personally, I set up a better sales page than the merchant, then use a cloaking tool to hide my affiliate links and forward my visitor directly to the Clickbank payment page, bypassing the merchant's site (unless they have a great sales page!).

I use a cloaking tool that does a great job for me (see my signature for the link) -They have a bunch of videos showing you how you can protect your affiliate links and redirect buyers directly from your landing page straight to the payment page, amongst other things.

Personally, I think it is outrageous that someone of Frank Kern's standing should be backing a product that clearly violates Google's TOS and is guaranteed to get beginners just getting started in IM into such difficulty.

I bought the course because I wanted to learn the detail of creating and marketing information products and did so because I had seen a lot of Frank's free stuff he did when promoting Mass Control - seemed like a knowledgeable, likeable guy. Maybe I should have known better, especially as pretty much all the emails he has sent me recently have been to get me to buy products that he is an affiliate of. What happened to the concept of providing useful content to your list in amongst the things you are promoting?

It's a shame that neither Frank or Trey want to address the serious problem associated with using this software. They've only just developed it and I have no idea why they thought it would fool Google?

sy|\|tax

alg,
Thanks for the great information. Don't get me wrong, I'm pissed that Frank and Trey would develop, promote and recommend a product that obviously is against Google's TOS. I wish I had a time machine to transport my gullible a$$ back in time. Heck, I guess I should have read the TOS before I uploaded the site. I guess I just expected more from Google, though.

For everyone's viewing pleasure, check out this support reply I got back from Infomillionaire regarding Ninja Cloaker (this was back in Dec):

"Ninja Cloaker is for cloaking your CLICKBANK HOPLINK...

So if you already have a website going, then you don't need it. If your just a clickbank affiliate you can use it then."

Did I miss something?

Derrick0408

Hi,
I actually posed this question on another thread relating to Infomillionaire but it seems to have been closed down for some strange reason.

I am a new to Internet Marketing and I have just written an Ebook (non IM related) and was hoping to implement the lessons in Infomillionaire and its software in order to promote my product.


Reading on here about the Google Slaps etc - does anyone think it’s safe to use the Infomillionaire lessons and software or could I potentially cause myself more damage than good?

Thanks, Derrick

sy|\|tax

Derrick,

The "Google slap" is only happening to those of us using the ninja cloaker software. Infomillionaire does have great information to offer. You will not be affected by the 'slap', as you're promoting your own product. Setup a landing page/sales page, and you will be just fine. And for God sakes, don't do what I did... READ Google's Terms and Services. If you don't want trouble, follow it exactly.

Curtis

sueandsteve

Curtis,

So, if you go through the original manual and do the landing page, auto-responders etc. instead of the Ninja Cloaker, there won't be any Google slap problems?

Sue

Derrick0408

Thanks Curtis.
The Course actually seems really well put together and as a beginner I was pleased to see information set out so simply.
I thought the idea of the cloaking software was to allow your landing page to rank well with Google - if I don't (and I won't!) use the software - does that mean my landing page won't rank so well? Is there any alternatives?
All the best, Derrick

alg6565

Curtis - the purpose of Ninja Cloaker is to allow lazy affiliates to quickly throw up a 'webpage' that has basic meta tags such as page title, keywords and the unique content that is closely related to how you will phrase your adwords ad. The idea is that the Googlebot will see this unique content, think your page is wonderful and relevant and you get a great quality score, resulting in low click prices. The visitor however sees only the merchant's page because he has been redirected. In the address bar the visitor will see only your address and not the merchant's web address.

This would certainly save a lot of time designing your own website - particularly if the seller has a great sales page - shame that Google doesn't allow it!

If you have your own website then you would not need to use Ninja Cloaker since you want your visitor to see your content; but rather you might want to have a clickable link through to the merchant's website where you would ideally mask your affiliate id; in some cases you might want to use stealth cloaking where you hide the destination address so the visitor clicks on your link, is redirected to the merchant's sales page but thinks that he is still on your site. If your website is better than the seller's you would not want to then redirect the potential buyer to another (inferior) sales page as this is another step between them buying the product and they may well end up confused. In this case you send them straight from your sales page via a "Buy Now" button that redrects directly to the clickbank payment page, missing out the seller's sales page but still logging you as the affiliate. (Note: I use the cloaking software linked to below to carry out this stage).

This is totally okay with Google because your Adwords ad directs them to your site, there is no redirection. The visitor is only sent to the seller's site when he clicks on a link on your site.

Anyone who is promoting an affiliate product who intends to drive traffic using adwords should NOT use Ninja Cloaker since it is in clear violation of Google's affiliate policy, which is:

"However, we monitor and do not allow the following:

Redirect URLs: Ads that contain URLs that automatically redirect to the parent company."

Actually, Google is not that keen on affiliate sites and these are one type of site they suggest advertising with caution since it can be difficult to get a good quality score. Basically, they don't want their beloved users clicking through on multiple ads which lead to sites that are promoting the same merchant.

Derrick - Since you are selling your own product you won't need to use Ninja Cloaker tool.

If you have your own product just create a nice-looking sales page with good copy. Identify what your potential buyers are looking for and meet their needs e.g. one guy I know wrote an ebook on curing panic attacks but his visitors weren't buying. Eventually he identified that most visitors to his site who had found it through a google search were trying to find out if they were suffering from a panic attack before they had any intention of buying anything. Only when he changed his sales copy to explain the symptoms of a panic attack first and then presented his book as the cure did he see a substantial increase in sales

Identify and use the main keywords that relate to people looking to buy your product in the page title, headings etc that have search volume that you can compete on.

Make sure that if you use adwords you keep the ad tightly focussed on what the site is about.

Don't neglect other ways to promote your site - SEO (Stompernet did a free course on this a while back - Stomping the Search Engines 2 - may be still available?), article marketing, signature in forum posts, yahoo ads etc.

You can still use some of the basic ideas in Infomillionaire but just be aware that they do not give the full picture in terms of promoting your site. Nor do you need to use their recommended products/services, there are alternatives.

Hope this helps.

Andrew

sy|\|tax

Hi Sue,

I cannot validate that's correct or not, as I initially set it up with the "Ninja Cloaker", resulting in an account suspension. And although I did 'tinker' with the landing page generator, I cannot recommend it. If you take a look at the code it generates, you'll see a lot of issues. Tags aren't properly setup, which causes viewing issues accross some browsers. It's using graphics that are hosted on the 'infomillionaire' domain, which should have never been done! It just DOESN'T work properly, hah.

Ok, so I got off track here... anyway, Google Adwords is a complex system, and should never have been included with the Infomillionaire course. It confused too many people, myself included. As long as your landing page is relevant with your ads and keywords, you should be fine.

IMChick

I'm disappointed in the course, and cancelled before the trial period was up. But I just got billed ! and just received the new issue. Shipping envelope was damaged, so I haven't looked at it. Sent an email to CS and got an acknowledgment so will wait for the CS reply.

IMChick

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Just checked my inbox, here's the refund. I have to say, after the cancellation mix up, they have great customer service.


Fulfillment is another issue. But by looking at everything as a learning experience, I've filed it in the 'important stuff to remember' category.



Here's what I learned beyond the obvious compliance with the Big G's TOS issue:



Consider not shipping or launching physical products in mid-december, too much shipping congestion and you'll get blamed for transit & fulfillment delays.

Black Hat Cat

If he was suspended, there's likely more to the story than him simply using the Ninja Cloaker. They don't typically suspend you for a minor, isolated TOS violation. I would know, as I've had several, lol. At worst, they would have suspended the campaign, not the whole account. The only way they would have suspended him for using the Ninja Cloaker is if he continued to use it in campaign after campaign after they told him not to do it.

kenwarrior

I got the info package and also got the 1st month of the paid monthly subscription, even though I cancelled 3 weeks ago!

Here is my feedback and I'll try and keep it short...

info package
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Can't complain for $10, good basic info on info marketing but clearly very out of date when it comes to google PPC, disapointed that the Ninja software turns out to be just an iframe generator!, not sure that the 4 paragraphs that you enter do you any good at all, test your pages with the google search keyword tool and it does not seem to see them!, I think it just see's the tittle, description and keywords in the header, someone correct me on this if I'm wrong.

Lots of links broken in the CD, sent support tickets in on billing and other issues, seems like support is a black hole, took a long time to any response

Fast Forward Jan 2009 Newsletter
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Basic news letter - some good info on how to sqeeze more money from your customers IF you already have traffic and your own products, there was sort of an admission that their landing page generator (LPG) and Ninja Cloaker (iframe) suck big time, got to laught at that, well at least they admitted it!, I give them some credit for that, actually managed to write on all 16 sides of the newsletter

Gold Monthly Supplement - this is basically all about an interview with Eben Pagan, he's an info guy who now gross's $25m a year with 80 employee's, I started to watch the video, frank and eban sitting on a black leather couch, frank making silly jokes all the time, eben looking bored, well I fell asleep after about 15 mins of hearing this guys life story, the newsletter, well frank seemed to be struggling, only managed to write on 5 out of the 8 pages, triple spaced lines with snapshots, all about Eben - basically worthless in my opinion

Summary
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It took 3 weeks to get support to tell me I was on the hook for approx $62/month, I'm very glad I cancelled, I would be very disapointed to pay that much for this sort of of info

I get the impression that Frank is now not selling any fun info products and now makes his money from the IM market, Trey to a lesser extent, I see he still has some clickbank sites running

Finally, I got a cold call from a man trying to sell me coaching from Frank Kern, or at least from his "hand picked team of coach's", there was nothing written down, nothing he could send me!

He told me Frank has world class support, I told him it sucked and his products had broken links, he would not have it and just proceeded to tell me that Frank was the world's No1 internet marketer and that I would need to pass a "test" to get in, we mutually agreed that I was not a good match for this service and closed the call as friends

Frank Kern/Trey Smith - nice guys, product very poor value at $62/month!

qubex

lol @ kenwarrior,

They cold called you!? Now that sh*t is funny...

mick535

I am blown away that they raised the price of the monthly subscription to $62 per month!!!

I was charged $43.95, now I have seen several posts talking about being charged $62!!

I've heard it all now. Anyone else charged something different?

kenwarrior

I think the basic subscription was about $40 and the gold upsell was about $20 so that is why I was subscribed at about $62, I wanted to see what the best deal contained!

newventures

I too just b bought the $9.95 deal to check it out but when I was charged the $40something for the next newsletter I quickly got on the phone and told my bank that I did not authorize it and wanted to receive a credit for it. It is in the process and I should have my money next week.




Trish