agoodsaid

This has been an interesting thread.

Guess I'm feeling compelled to add my .02 :-)

TOTALLY enjoyed Franks launch - that alone (and really "getting" how it all fits together) was worth the price of admission.

Had a little mix-up with the monthly billing after canceling. Slow support issues caused a cross up with my week 3 request and the charge I believe - not cool, but fixable and seems that's the intention... I was refunded after shooting an email to support.

The content was reassuring (I understood the process, was familiar with most of the tools and it was a fine basic review). Spotted the afflinks, but already have all the services, so it was neither here nor there.

The adwords section - well, I really appreciated it. Not that it was the content to end all content - far from it - but it DID cause me to take action and dig in and actually DO some. Am I still learning?? You'd better believe I realize there's plenty of nuance to tap into yet. But I'm in the game! And that (imho) is a priceless gift.

As far as the landing page and ninja tools - I tried and used them both. Opened my adwords account on 1/1 so it's been a full month. They both worked fine for me and I didn't get Google slapped. After reading this thread, I'm thinking that I will go ahead and create my own landing pages - both for the practice/growth and for the 'staying off the Google radar' potential, but again feel certain I WOULD NOT have moved forward with this if it hadn't been for those simple solutions being made available at just the right point in the process.

Bottom line? I'm a satisfied customer who is also a business owner and is kind of glad to have seen all aspects of this process - the good and the bad - in person.

Good stuff!
Andrea

JamesDNYC

To be honest though I like the course but it is missing a lot of tibit information, like follow up samples. Need to write 30 of them.

Actually before I was going to say they did not tell you to turn off the opt-in option, I played the video again and they did. I forgot to do that when I was setting it up.

Well to be honest so far with my efforts I only earned 19.97 and that was with out the landing page option. On the other project that I worked harder on I got more opt-ins but no sales.

Julia Russo

It is sad that the coach gets the heat when the quarterback throws an uncatchable pass....Frank & Trey get berated for what their fulfillment company failed to do, for what their support people failed to keep up with. Like a coach, though, it is ultimately their fault (or their managers fault) that these companies and employees were hired in the first place.

The chain of people that reach to the top has gotten too many links here. While Kern has some good basic info and a persona that makes him a cool front man, the audience he has chosen to address is too diversified. The newbies will love it, the skeptics will doubt it, and the veterans will pan it. This, my friends, is an example of shotgun marketing---not targeted marketing.

jnasty

The free infomillionairre package is great, and FREE! As for the monthly subscription, I think that they could have provided a little more content to keep me on as a subscriber. They provided little content and I cancelled within the first month.

Nathan Hangen

Finally had a chance to go over some of the package. I expected it to suck and be mostly upsells, but considering Frank and Trey's reputation, I should have known better.

Product blew me away and the amount of value they offered for 10 bucks is amazing. I feel like I should have paid them more.

Black Hat Cat

Probably the most insightful observation in this entire thread.

Simon Ashari

hmmmm

its been 2 weeks since i was charged for the first paid month and i still havent recieved the newsletter.

recieved the free package reasonably timely but still not happy


regards

Simon

yaz8888

This was closed..sounds like there still working out the kinks

kenwarrior

I still use Frontpage and it works great, simple easy to use, love the built in FTP, but don't use it with extensions - most hosting companies don't support them any more, you can sometimes find cheap new copies for sale on ebay

UMRK

I bought Infomillionaire during the December release, and didn't have too long of wait.

The info is very basic, but because of it's simplicity it got me to finally take specific action that led to my first sale.

I've spent the last year reading a ton of information on IM, and while I've gained a lot of knowledge, I've also been stuck in the information overload haze without being able to nail down an actual "Start Here" plan. So, just the fact that it gave me a direction to head in, makes it totally worth the measly $50 I've spent on it.

One of the most valuable thing I got from Infomillionaire was that it had a link to the Warrior Forum. This Place Is Frikin' Amazing!

I would say I'm a very satisfied customer.

Black Hat Cat

Just an observation, the $10 first issue, as you all know, was printed on nice, shiny, high quality paper. The second issuse, which cost $43 bucks, was printed on regular printing paper, and was 7 pages shorter than the first issue, lol. Oh, and don't tell anyone, but Frank and Trey think using an upsell is a good idea. Shhhh...it's a secret.

To be fair, they included software to help with upsells, so that may make it worth the cost. I say "may" because I haven't checked it out yet. At any rate, this will be my last month. I can see where this course is going, and I've already heard this stuff from Frank before. No sense in paying to hear it again. It could be useful to those who have never heard it before though.

Amanda_Davis

I really don't understand how anyone could miss the continuity.

There are plenty of offers online with FAR less obvious continuity built in.

blingish

I have to say I agree here. I haven't made my first sale yet because I don't want to use the Ninja Cloaker software due to all of the talk about the google slap on this thread. (I am working on a more google friendly site and intend to use the infomillionaire model to promote it.)

I got the 2nd month plus the gold monthly (Eban Pagen interview) for free because of all of the shipping issues. I havn't found much value in the monthly so I cancelled. One support ticket sent and about 36 hours later I received the cancellation email. So as far as all of the customer support issues people have been talking about, I have to say that their CS is great. (even got a ticket received email as soon as I sent the ticket.)

As said above; the info overload phase is gone, I am taking action! And finding the Warrior Forum because of this product is going to be priceless!

All in all, for me it was a total cost of $10 and I'm off my ass and finally trying to make this whole IM thing work.

Christian Chan

Buy anything that comes from Frank Kern. He is THAT GOOD.

Nealva61

Hi Frank,

I found your posts here regarding InfoMillionaire. I hope that you're still reading this thread. I tried to PM you but I don't have enough posts here yet.

I want to cancel the subscription charges and get a refund for the products, with the exception of the $9.97 s&h of course.

I have submitted two separate support forms using the Infomillionaire.com/support, one on Tuesday and another one today, and have not received a response from either. (Well actually the autoresponder sent a confirmation but I don't believe that counts.) This frustrates me!

Neal Von Almen
n.von.almen@gmail.com

PS I hope that you can get your customer service department to understand the importance of responding to customer inquiries.

Steadyon

What a ridiculous thing to say. Since when is $40 to $60 a month of no consequence to most people. If you want to send that to me each month I will be happy to take it from you, but only if you think it will be inconsequential to you.

Regarding Frank Kern and his monthly subscription, if people think it is worth it then they will carry on with it. If they don't then they will cancel.

What REALLY pisses people off is when they try to cancel, and I mean numerous times, and don't get a response and later find they have been charged.

Or they have waited and waited and waited for something to arrive and it never does.

Can you see how that might get people a little incy wincy bit, every so slightly, tiny little bit, just a wee bit, UPSET?

So don't forget to send me your $60 a month. It will go towards my heating, gas, tax, food bills and perhaps someone's internet training course that is worth it. Thanks.

ipvfour

I set up my first site yesterday using the Ninja Cloaking software from Infomillionaire and created an Adwords ad but my ads do not show for any of the 25 keywords I have selected and there doesn't seem to be a ton of advertisers for most of the keywords. Normally my ads show up within minutes of creation.

I am not receiving any notices in my Adwords account that there is anything wrong with my ads.

This is a new domain and the only "content" for the site is the index.html file that I created using the cloaking software. The instructions in the video stated to add the index file to a page off the domain. Since the actual domain does not have any content will this throw up a flag from Google or will they even notice that?

I was really excited to use this software because so far all of my affiliate sites are real sites hosted on real domains (not subdomains) and I am looking for a faster way to test an offer without going through all that work.

I sent a support question to Infomillionaire but like my other two questions I sent I am not ecpecting a response any time soon.

Dave

qubex

Hi Dave,

Welcome to the forum.. If you've been reading this thread, you would have noticed that using the ninja cloaking software violates Googles TOS. The account review process usually takes 5 business days (I have seen longer), but there's a good chance that your account is suspended.

mick535

Sorry buddy, I'm not buying it.

If it was that simple, this forum would be empty. I do 90% of my business promotion with adwords and I use both AdGrenade and Speed PPC (depends on if I'm promoting a Clickbank product or not). I have a lot of knowledge, do a lot of market research, and still have campaigns that fail miserably all the time. This is made up for by the ones that succeed. Anyone using Adwords knows it is not a cut and paste enterprise, so any advice like the advice given in Infomillionaire about using Adwords is just plain wrong. All you are doing is setting people who don't know any better up for failure.

How many clicks did you get for that $2.82? What was your Conversion rate?

Keyword research by itself could take up more than half of the Infomillionaire manual, if you were trying to teach Newbies how to do Market research, let alone Google Adwords.

And...as everyone here keeps saying, Infomillionaire was targeted for Newbies.

kenwarrior

I just keep getting a lot of lame affiliate promotions now from Trey, seems like they got bored making fun videos in their basement, the problem is that Trey is now sending me emails from a list I did not subscribe to, I don't mind from infomillionaire.com, but not from Up0.net or something like that?

PabloVTB

It certainly is good information for only 10 bucks. Will try it out

ipvfour

Funny but in the training video Trey actually states that "this is totally legal it is not even against their (Google Adwords) TOS".

Hmmm...

Dave

Simon74

I got it while ago, if you are new to IM it's a great product.
I really liked it, give you alot of information and great ideas.

frank-kern

Neal, I see you requested a refund on 2/3 and you received a refund and a reply on 2/6.

Please make sure this is the case. (I'm looking at the thread in our support system now).

Anyone else have outstanding issues? Please be like Neal and use your REAL NAME so we can look you up.

As best as we can tell, all support tickets are caught up.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW if this is not the case.

PLEASE USE YOUR REAL NAME.

We *did* have a situation where the form code on our support page failed.

I think I'm going to scrap our fancy support system and go back to gmail. That's never failed us!

"Official" response to the Ninja Cloaker issue to come.

John Rogers

Ya know, BIG Mike is using gmail for Incansoft support, and it works flawlessly.

And if the guy who could easily code a fancy help desk thingamabobby is happily using gmail. Well...

John

treysmith

Hey Guys, Trey here..

I haven't checked this board much lately and had no clue this thread was still going on. Sorry about that.

Ok, so let me clear some stuff up.

First off... The Ninja Cloaker

This piece of software was designed to help you quickly find profitable niches. It was never intended as a long term solution (which I mention on page 4 and page 5 of the newsletter).

I apologize if I did not make that clear enough... Once you notice that the niche got traffic and converted, instructions were to make your own version of that product and ditch the ninja cloaker.

But regardless, I DID NOT KNOW it was against the Adwords ToS.

I would absolutely NEVER promote anything agains the ToS of any company (don't do black hat stuff) and as soon as we found out about this we immediately pulled it from the course.

Here's why I originally put it in there:

I have used the Ninja Cloaker to test over 50 niches in clickbank in the last 6-8 months and had ZERO issues with any vilolations or dissaproved ads... I also did a quick search through google and didn't see the ToS violation. Honestly, I just screwed up and it won't happen again.

One more thing... I've used Ninja Cloaker on Yahoo Search Marketing and had no problems at all. Just double checked their ToS and their FAQ section and couldn't find any mention of iframes being an issue (please let me know if you see different!).

But don't worry, we've got a lot of different affiliate landing page technqiues and we'll be going over three new ones in the next few months (and there is no iframe or anything that could be against ToS.. promise )

Speaking of quality score and google... I actually JUST finished up a big ass report on how to get ALL good and great quality scores with google.

This was supposed to be for members only, but since it might address some issues you guys brought up, I'll go ahead and post it for ya here.

Btw, this is the most comprehensive and complete "checklist" for getting a killer quality score I've ever seen.

Make sure you check it out:

http://www.infomillionaire.com/INFOM..._Checklist.pdf

As for affiliate links and stuff... of course we put some affiliate links in there. My God people, we are teaching internet marketing here!

Ironically, the "UltraDreamweaver" link isn't even an affiliate link. It just routes straight over to dreamweavers site. (Yes, we are THAT slack...)

We recommend it because it's what we both use, they can download it right then for free, and I couldn't find a REALLY good replacement. We set the domain up to make an affiliate link for it if we ever get around to it (which we haven't yet).

Actually, I would have recommended frontpage if that were still available... easiest to use WYSIWYG html editor ever!

Last thing: Support Issues

All our issues are completely resolved and I check DAILY to make sure we aren't behind (and we haven't been).

We finally found out the reason a few people were having problems. It was some weird bug with our incoming support email deliverability. It's been fixed for a while now, so if any of you have submitted a support ticket and not received a response within 2 business days, PM me immediately please.

Hope this clears some stuff up, thanks!

Trey

Dayne Dylan

Trey, I just want to say thanks for the report. That would have been killer to have in your InfoMillionaire product. Kuddos to you for giving it here for free.

Thank you very much.

Steadyon

Thank you for your reply. No problemo.
I see F & T have acknowledged that there was an email issue. I wish they could have handled it sooner, but at least they have done so now.

Peace.

The Info Dojo

As a service to all -

a list of IM courses/products containing 50% or more content
not easily learned for free should be provided within this thread, no?

I was surprised as well.
Anyone else care to comment?
On a related note, I see Frank & Trey have provided their 'EMAIL ROUTER' software.

There's a real simple remedy to this.
Go get a prepaid/gift card credit card from your local Mall, Walgreens, CVS, Rite-Aid, etc.

Put enough on the card (or buy a prepaid amount)
to cover shipping and 2-3 months of the continuity program.

When the card runs out, they'll email and/or call you to let you know.
Then you can decide to continue or not..using another similar card, of course.
Oh yeah, and no bank debit card overdraft issues, too.

Apparently, Mike Filsaime prefers Namecheap, as well.
He went on an informative rant about GoDaddy in his 'Newbie Workshop' Course.

Hostmonster, the alter-ego of Bluehost.

Search the web for the $4.95/mo HostMonster deal.
Hint: You can lock it in for 3 years.

What FTP software do you like/recommend?

Would Frank & Trey's 'MASSURL' software work as well?

I hear ya on that one.
Filsaime's continuity subscription 'The Best Damn Newsletter' Sept 2008 issue was littered with typos -
very distracting for a perfectionist with ADD like myself. Spellchecker anyone?

I'm a Warrior Forum newb, so I cannot post links yet.

That being the case, click on the link within My Signature Area (below)
to see how I am legitimately using an 'information incentive for an opt-in' within eBay.
(Hint: see my Buy-It-Now Bonus near the bottom of my description).


Marc

Nathan Hangen

How many of you complaining about the content have actually used the methods or are currently using them?

For instance, did you use the landing page generator and create an autoresponder series yet?

lonestar6

Hey i bought Franks Infomillionaire package, what a great system
I applied everything they say,my adwords campaigns have been
running for 3 weeks now, Google has lowered my bids down to
0.08 cents on some key words. Generating leads.
After two years of doing affiliate marketing I finally found a system that works
Can't wait for the next newsletter lots of nuggets.

Nealva61

Thank you for responding Frank. I did receive a notice on Feb 6 that the subscription had been cancelled and another email today that the cost of Underachiever has been refunded. I expect that another email notifying me that the cost of software CD will be refunded.

I have not opened the software CD. I asked in my first inquiry for instructions for returning it to you for refund but to date have not received any.

frank-kern

Dude you don't have to send it back. It's not like we'd re-sell it :-)

I checked your support thread and both refunds were issued on 2/6.

Nealva61

Okay. The CD is still sealed so you could resell it if you wanted to. I just wanted to do the right thing.

Thanks.

mick535

Let me get this straight.

First: Infomillionaire tells you to use Aweber and an OPT-IN on your landing pages for 15 pages in the manual, now in the Quality Score Checklist you guys posted, you say: Stay away from having any type of email opt-in form on your landing page (I agree).

Second: Trey didn't know the Ninja "Cloaker" violated the Adwords Terms of Service??? You guys are the "Gurus" correct? You should know this stuff in and out. You don't "Cloak" to promote an Adwords product. Everyone knows that and I suspect you guys did too.

After reading the Quality Score Checklist document, I realized how much it contradicted the original manual. Hopefully not too many people lost their shirts and/ or accounts on Adwords.

The QS Checklist is an excellent document. I am sure you didn't just do the research this month for that product, which is the best thing I have read from you guys so far. You could sell it. Very accurate. A little overboard on the site construction stuff, but I guess you have to go that far considering the beating you guys have taken in this forum.

Which brings up another point. This was released about a month and a half ago? I am pretty sure you guys knew all this info before you sent out the Infomillionaire package "as is".

I hope the QS Checklist was emailed out to all of the Infomillionaire buyers. They deserve it. That is how you use Google Adwords.

shocs

This seems to be pretty fine. Lol @marcanthony

Craig Beckta

I think the whole launch process was very
cool to watch.

And the information is quite good.

If you take action you should see results.

The landing page generator is a huge time
saver as well.

Craig Beckta

mick535

You haven't been following this thread at all have you?

Check out the comments about the landing page Generator from one of the Infomillionaire Creators just a few posts back.

Nathan Hangen

Do you have the course? If you did you'd know there are 2 landing page generators. One called the ninja something or other, and the other is an actual lpg.

mick535

Yes, I purchased the Infomillionaire product and membership and subsequently cancelled.

Yes, I know there are 2 landing page generators. If you read back several posts you will see that Frank and Trey (the creators of Infomillioaire) are now telling you to not use their Landing Page Generators except when you are testing a niche. If you read the PDF called the Infomillionaire Quality Score Checklist attached to Trey's latest post, you will see where they now tell you not to use them.

That is why I said in my previous post that they have now negated about 15 plus pages from the original Infomillionaire Manual and that individuals using that book as their guide on how to make money with Info products, whicle creating Landing Pages and Google Adwords, should be careful and relook at what they are doing.

This Quality Score Checklist (linked below) was pretty much a reversal on 75% of the most important information in the Infomillionaire manual. That being: Using Opt-In's and Landing Pages, Using Landing Page Generators, Landing Page construction, and Making Money with this system with Google Adwords.

http://www.infomillionaire.com/INFOM..._Checklist.pdf

If you are thinking, what does the Google Adwords Quality Score have to do with anything, then you really need to read the document linked above and it will answer all of your questions.

Nathan Hangen

You are assuming I don't know what I am talking about, but I'll let it slide.

If you really read Trey's response, you will see he is talking about the Ninja cloaker, not the squeeze page. Although the quality score isn't great with the squeeze page generator, it is a great free template that can be modified to work.

I don't have any questions, but I think you need to re-read the posts you are referring to. For 10 bucks, I have no problems with the content at all.

mick535

I am not assuming you don't know what you are talking about, but I am assuming you didn't read the Infomillionaire Quality Score Checklist that Trey Smith just posted here yesterday.

In the Landing Page section; Point 2 reads:

2 - High Quality "Real" Sites Only

1. No name squeeze.
2. No cloaked pages or iframes.
3. Use your own site, the clickbank link hack, blogs, or a review site.

So the reality is; he is talking about both the Ninja Cloaker and the original Landing Page Generator. The orignal is all about using an Opt-in page to capture leads, and it is a QUASI cloaker.

Nathan Hangen

I read the report, but I don't really consider it to be perfect.

The landing page generator isn't cloaked at all. I don't see how you could call it a "quasi" cloaker either.

mick535

Not a very strong argument considering the "report" was written by the same person who wrote the Infomillionaire Manual as a correction or adjustment to people's comments in this thread. So you don't have to think it's perfect, he's telling you that the previous Manual is wrong and this is the right way to do it.

I agree with him.

By the way you are right. The previous Landing Page generator is not a "QUASI" cloaker. I stand corrected.

Nathan Hangen

To that extent, you are correct, they did invalidate some of the course. However, I'm more interested in their marketing than their landing page strategy. I like Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher when it comes to that stuff.

mick535

Their marketing is excellent. Otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about it. They are doing almost the exact same Marketing technique for their "Mass Control Giveaway". A bunch of videos on splash pages. Then they will giveaway the Mass Control course (for $17.95) and then you'll get a monthly subscription where it is nearly impossible to cancel.

They'll make a ton of money off of it for sure.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it right?

kenwarrior

Why are well known gurus creating new products, telling us things that they don't do and don't work?

Confused in Internetville

Nathan Hangen

Well, the course is meant for new IM'ers and I don't think the techniques don't work. The issue at hand here is the Ninja Cloaker, which when released was thought to be legal...unfortunately Google didn't agree. Still, much of the material is still very sound and I'll be more than willing to give MC 2.0 a try.

I didn't have a problem canceling InfoMillionaire like others did, so I can't comment on that.

If you'd like to learn more about Trey's stuff, you can also visit nicheninjas.com (I think that's right).

The Info Dojo

Worried about difficulty cancelling?
Retain cancel control from the get-go - See my previous post in this thread.

Perhaps they will offer a revised version of the InfoMillionaire Manual . PDF?
That wouldn't be too difficult, right?

What course(s) in particular do you favor from Deiss and/or Belcher when it comes to landing page strategies?

Marc

kenwarrior

[quote=Nathan Hangen;503631]Well, the course is meant for new IM'ers quote]

ok, I guess it's ok to sell duff stuff to newbies since they can't tell the difference