Nathan Hangen

To that extent, you are correct, they did invalidate some of the course. However, I'm more interested in their marketing than their landing page strategy. I like Ryan Deiss and Perry Belcher when it comes to that stuff.

mick535

Their marketing is excellent. Otherwise we wouldn't be here talking about it. They are doing almost the exact same Marketing technique for their "Mass Control Giveaway". A bunch of videos on splash pages. Then they will giveaway the Mass Control course (for $17.95) and then you'll get a monthly subscription where it is nearly impossible to cancel.

They'll make a ton of money off of it for sure.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it right?

kenwarrior

Why are well known gurus creating new products, telling us things that they don't do and don't work?

Confused in Internetville

Easy Traffic Strategy - Some very interesting links

Nathan Hangen

Well, the course is meant for new IM'ers and I don't think the techniques don't work. The issue at hand here is the Ninja Cloaker, which when released was thought to be legal...unfortunately Google didn't agree. Still, much of the material is still very sound and I'll be more than willing to give MC 2.0 a try.

I didn't have a problem canceling InfoMillionaire like others did, so I can't comment on that.

If you'd like to learn more about Trey's stuff, you can also visit nicheninjas.com (I think that's right).

The Info Dojo

Worried about difficulty cancelling?
Retain cancel control from the get-go - See my previous post in this thread.

Perhaps they will offer a revised version of the InfoMillionaire Manual . PDF?
That wouldn't be too difficult, right?

What course(s) in particular do you favor from Deiss and/or Belcher when it comes to landing page strategies?

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kenwarrior

[quote=Nathan Hangen;503631]Well, the course is meant for new IM'ers quote]

ok, I guess it's ok to sell duff stuff to newbies since they can't tell the difference

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Nathan Hangen

[quote=kenwarrior;512450]
Well, you took my quote out of context completely. I don't think the course is bad at all, and in my opinion, anyone that complains about spending 10 bucks on this package has no business being in IM. For 10 bucks, you get to see a Kern launch, some good tools, a beginner's manual, several videos, and a newsletter with some great sales copy tips.

I fail to see how it is a bad deal? I've paid more for some WSO's here that haven't delivered half as much value.


In regards to the question about Deiss and Belcher, the Get Cash from Google course goes into more detail, but they both show several methods for how to get a great quality score (by splitting up your landing pages and marketing). I just think Kern is more of a marketing guy, while Belcher and Deiss are more technical.

Amanda_Davis

Ryan Deiss' stuff is good. I also liked Wholesale Traffic System

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Kyle L Hannah

Second that, it's where I learned many of my adwords skills/tricks to date. Might have been a bit high priced though, but nonetheless still good.

kenwarrior

yes I did, sorry about that, I just wanted to make a point that you have to VERY carefull who you seek advice and mentoring from these days, even very well know gurus can give you poor advice if it will make them a quick buck

example, I just got an email from Brad Fallon telling me Google Shadow was a "good one" via an affiliate link, can you believe it!

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alg6565

Sorry Trey but I have caught you out in a lie!

To start with, I was quite unbelieving that someone of your experience would not know that redirecting traffic sent from Adwords ads was against Google's ToS.

I finally got the video evidence after reading your infomillionaire quality score checklist.

You mentioned the clickbank link hack, not knowing what this was, I looked it up on google. I clicked a link to your site nicheninjas where there was a videopost dated July 01 2008 where you state clearly on camera that redirecting traffic sent from Google was a practice that they had banned 2 months earlier.

If anyone wants to see the video it is also on youtube - just search for clickbank link hack.

If you knew about Google's stance on redirects back in early May 2008 why release software in Infomillionaire that violates their ToS?

It really is just too easy to say in this forum that you didn't know your software violated google's ToS and that it was an honest mistake, but clearly you did know back in May 2008.

Don't let other people steal your affiliate commissions

The Info Dojo

Kinda reminds me of how useful the 'Wayback machine' is
when a company denies what is stated in their own TOS or similar.

Of course, they tell you to check their website as proof
(where it's been conveniently altered to support their argument)

Enter the 'Wayback Machine' to provide the version of their website
that you were referring to (during the time in question, etc., etc.)

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treysmith

Hey dude,

In that video I was talking about REDIRECTS (i.e. sending someone straight to your affiliate link) not sending them to a cloaked page.

And actually since then, I have found out that redirects are OK. They just only allow one domain per keyword (i.e. you can only use one clickbank.com domain for each keyword). Learned that from Tim who was in the last issue of Yanik's Maverick Monthly.

As I've mentioned, I was using the Ninja Cloaker myself with success when I wrote the material. It was seriously an honest mistake!

I mean think about it... I would have absolutely NO advantage in trying to pull a fast one here. Obviously I want people to make GOBS of money using this system so they stay customers.

As I've already stated, we've pulled that from future versions of the course.

While we're at it... for the record:

I did NOT go against the whole infomillionaire manual in my quality score checklist.

The quality score checklist is intended for people to use AFTER they have already found a successful niche online using other methods like the clickbank link hack, landing page generator, ninja cloaker on yahoo... or one of the MANY other ways we'll be teaching people in the next few months (review pages, blogs, prosper, etc).

See, here's the "big secret" and how I pulled in over $5,000,000 online doing this just a few years:

1. I tested MANY niches.

2. Because I tested many niches, I found HOT ones with large amounts of converting traffic.

3. I dropped the ones that weren't making much or any money, and focused SOLELY on the big winners.

4. I ramped those up in multiple ways that we go over in Infomillionaire Monthly (massive Content Network campaigns, quality score checklist for search network, other traffic sources, etc)

If you did that whole quality score checklist for any niche you were *thinking* about getting into, then you simply would be wasting a ton of time.

I go over all of this in the infomillioniare monthly newsletter this month (where that checklist came from). I just didn't post that all here because well... it was supposed to be for members only

Who do you think will make more money:

A) The person that spends A BILLION hours testing a few niches.

B) The person that spends A FEW hours testing TONS of niches and ramps up the successful ones.

The answer is at the bottom of this post

Thanks,

Trey



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treysmith

Oh yeh, and more importantly... Frank has successfully killed another server for the MC 2.0 launch

I swear I think he's going to burn down a hosting center one day... haha.

SimonHarrison

Why don't you guys just use Amazon dedicated hosting, I'm yet to see that **** fall down under any numbers and I'm talking hundreds of thousands of uniques.

Sig Smig - I'm selling nowt.

treysmith

We use S3 but I didn't know they had dedicated hosting... Thanks, will look into that!

severson

Trey, I am getting no response whatsoever from the Infomillionaire support system you have in place.

I have sent 3 requests to cancel my monthly subscription, all of which have gone unanswered.

I wouldn't even be posting this on here but it seems the only way to get anyone involved to take care of something that should be a very simple process.

This is getting extremely frustrating.

Like a million other people have said in this thread, just provide an easy way out on something like this. Don't treat your customers like trash.

Can you please cancel the memebership immediately and provide a status as to when this is done. I would rather not have to go down the chargeback route with my Card and hope you can resolve whatever issue appears to be in place with your support system.

Name: Eric Severson

eaglewingmd

I am always fairly careful at purchasing new informational products. I usually spedn weeks trying to find as much free information as possible. This forum is full of it - in a good way. And yet there is always the need to tweak our information. Many times the free informations gives us the basis for better utilizing the paid information. Yet it can be disasterous when a product is launched too quickly. I am sure that all the bugs will be worked out.

treysmith

Was this recently? Our support has been online and working for a while now... lemme see what happened.

(I also just forwarded your information over to my CS manager. She'll take care of you ASAP)

Thanks,

Trey

treysmith

Eric,

Just got response back and we cancelled your request the day you sent it. An automated message was supposed to be sent to you. Maybe the email address is wrong. PM me your email address and I'll have support forward you the notifications (if you want them).

severson

Trey, thanks a lot for the follow up. It is much appreciated. I don't have enough posts under my belt here to be able to PM you, but I've used a couple different email addresses and added two more support tickets today and still never saw any response.

In any event, as long as its been confirmed and taken care of I'm good. But if I see another charge on my card, I'm killing your dog.

Thanks again.

Mark_Saenz

I'm glad you said something. You know its much more than just basics because it also teaches a system. The other thing I really liked is that they didn't fluff it all up with a bunch of confusing stuff...they kept it barebone simple for anyone to undertsand, use, and make money.

I recommend it.

Mark_Saenz

Oh yeah...that was cool too. They were using a lot of mass control (ish) stuff. Another example of how Frank practices what he preaches!

wlben

Could anyone tell me when the #2 newsletter comes out?
I signed up 1/14 and got my $10 package shortly after, but haven't seen a new charge or the next installment.
Any ideas?

Here's a link for good marketing practice.

severson

Trey, not sure if you're still checking this thread, but wanted to say thanks a lot for taking care of the support mishap. I heard from more than 1 member of your team shortly after this and all is well.

Thanks for the excellent communication and follow up.

The Info Dojo

We've seen not-so-positive feedback in this thread regarding Ninja Cloaker.

Does anyone have any comments/experience with the other Infomillionaire custom software ?

1. AutoLauncher
2. AutoCountdown
3. AutoRSS
4. AutoSqueeze
5. Email Router
6. MassURL
7. EasySplit Test
8. Easy Cloaker

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bergie812

I bought it and thought it was OK. The monthly newsletters we ok and good bathroom reading. I cancelled the subscription and gave the package to a newbie partner of mine to get him up to speed on internet marketing. So far so good

sandhill

I got it - some good stuff particularly with the cloaking and landing page software - and one or two other tricks. Some good - if occasionally basic - material but its clearly intended to cover all types - dummies like me through. Quite impressed so far.

cougarstylie

I had infomillionaire monthly but after the 3rd month the material just got really lame and redundant so I canceled.

>>>> I have 7 million clean email leads. Looking for a mailer and/or rev share. Message me if you know a bulk mailer. Thanks! :) <<<<

rayncathy

Hey Trey

I am not getting newsletters and two inquiries to support have not been answered.

Can you please let me know when newsletters will be coming? The charge to my Credit card goes through every month

thanks

Ray Posner

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Amanda_Davis

Newsletters/DVDs are no longer being mailed - it's all converted to a membership site.

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mdzarate

You guys will not believe how dissapointed and upset I am about infomillionaire going from a magazine to a digital forum.

When the magazine and DVD was being mailed out, it was always of very good content, looked like Frank put some effort into this. I paid for a physical product, but ...they changed it to a forum!!

I visited the forum almost 2 months after because I did not know it was changed and what do I found out? they have some videos and some post that are OK, but not even close to what they were doing on the magazine.

Also, today I checked again and the last post on the forum was June 3. I used to get a magazine, monthly and with good content, now got a post on the forum done more than 6 weeks ago...

Trey, what is going on? is this another case of a marketer that works so hard to catch the customer but once you have me you do not care anymore?

am very dissapointed and not sure if anyone else feels the same or it is just me... I think I am cancelling my subscription and ask for my money back for not getting what I signed up for, a physical, monthly magazine with a DVD

mick535

That's exactly what happened. While you might be interested in receiving what you paid for, these guys have moved on to bigger and better things. All of these top tier marketers are using the micro continuity model to some extent. Some are following up with quality products, others are not.

Frank Kern andTrey Smith market to beginners and take advantage of the inexperince and hope of newbies trying to make money. Its not a knock on them, because how can you knock a business model thatis making them tons of cash.

With everything you get from these guys you can expect a high price tag, a whole lotta hype, and not much follow through after the launch. It's all about raking in big profits at launch time, the profits after that are minimal. That's why the newsletter is changed, there isn't any money in it for them anymore.