Chronic Commissions

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Just got an email about this, anyone know what its about?

Chronic Comissions
#internet marketing product reviews & ratings #chronic #commissions
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
    you mean - 25 emails and 1/2 of them you have no idea who they are? LOL

    i'm watching now.. laughing.. LOL
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    • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
      Yeah well somebody paid big bucks for a high-end copy writer for this one, because it goes way out on a limb past the lazy-mans-riches-surferdude-rich-by-accident positioning model.
      Anybody clicked the link and bought yet?

      Wonder how many upsells there are.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Interesting...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    OOH i love catching errors in their script. He said he grew up on a commune in Berkley, but then he said he's just like any other guy from so-cal... lol (Berkley is in Northern California) - this video is........entertaining to say the least, man.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      OOH i love catching errors in their script. He said he grew up on a commune in Berkley, but then he said he's just like any other guy from so-cal... lol (Berkley is in Northern California) - this video is........entertaining to say the least, man.
      And he claims to have a house in Bali ("Balit" in the graphic) but the photo is of a typical Tahitian resort on Bora Bora lagoon.

      But that's nothing - the chump in BlackOps prattles on about "you need to trust me with your life" and then claims an earnings figure in dollars - while the screenshot is in pounds. Well done lads. "Trust me with your life".

      Keep 'em coming. Even more humorous than the stuff I've been involved in lately - stuff where they've butchered my original copy and made bogus income claims.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Reed
        This ought to be called the Entertainment Section - keep it up I'm sure there are hundreds (thousands?) of us that enjoy reading these comments.
        For UK members this might replace "The News Of The World", only let's leave out any reference to Mobile (alleged Cell-Phone hacking) products eh?!!
        Anik's own marketing is already a highly refined process, but maybe his number of necessary clicks will drop even lower after he has absorbed all this great "information"
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Carter
    question is, why are Adam and Tim of Local Mobile Monopoly promoting it, with Tim even shooting a video to convince us that this is worth getting?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by randommouse View Post

      question is, why are Adam and Tim of Local Mobile Monopoly promoting it, with Tim even shooting a video to convince us that this is worth getting?
      Most likely, the guys behind it promoted for Adam and Tim heavily - so Adam and Tim are doing reciprocals and returning the favor.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
        eljeffe77 - how can you be so cynical and world-weary?:rolleyes:

        Here's something else that I wonder if it is going to become a trend - calling something an "app" when it's not an app (that is for iphone, android, etc.) but is just another piece of .exe software? Another bit of positioning toward the "cool", dontcha think?
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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          Originally Posted by Matthew Shelton View Post

          eljeffe77 - how can you be so cynical and world-weary?:rolleyes:

          Here's something else that I wonder if it is going to become a trend - calling something an "app" when it's not an app (that is for iphone, android, etc.) but is just another piece of .exe software? Another bit of positioning toward the "cool", dontcha think?
          Cynical? Yes, world-weary? nah

          If you want to buy this, you go right ahead!

          Actually, I might buy it just so I can review it...but i'm 'pretty sure' i wont be rich after 5 clicks and have money pouring into my account within minutes - there's me being cynical again!

          Edit: yeah everything's an 'app' these days, the 'widget' that was supposed to make me rich 2 weeks ago was a web based site builder and blog commenter - lol - wow, what an 'app'!
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          • Profile picture of the author samora22
            Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

            Cynical? Yes, world-weary? nah

            If you want to buy this, you go right ahead!

            Actually, I might buy it just so I can review it...but i'm 'pretty sure' i wont be rich after 5 clicks and have money pouring into my account within minutes - there's me being cynical again!

            Edit: yeah everything's an 'app' these days, the 'widget' that was supposed to make me rich 2 weeks ago was a web based site builder and blog commenter - lol - wow, what an 'app'!
            waiting for your review man... you do justice to this products thus helping people like me to make a wise decision. nice one and thanks
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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              Originally Posted by samora22 View Post

              waiting for your review man... you do justice to this products thus helping people like me to make a wise decision. nice one and thanks
              I'm still deciding between commission black ops or this hippy product. I only feel like reviewing one of them today, I suppose i'll make my decision and purchase one or the other tonight, regardless.

              Jeff
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            • Profile picture of the author helpandinfo
              To be honest I can't be bothered with FIVE clicks that's way too many for me. I bought the last two THREE click products and now I'm earning a gazillion dollars every day from them.

              Why have the extra work of those two extra clicks?

              snooooze..
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        • Profile picture of the author rdpayne
          Originally Posted by Matthew Shelton View Post

          eljeffe77 - how can you be so cynical and world-weary?:rolleyes:

          Here's something else that I wonder if it is going to become a trend - calling something an "app" when it's not an app (that is for iphone, android, etc.) but is just another piece of .exe software? Another bit of positioning toward the "cool", dontcha think?
          Before the advent of iPhone and Android, the term "app" did, exclusively, refer to a .exe software application.
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      • Profile picture of the author blueonblue
        Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

        Most likely, Corey Lewis and Winter Valko (guys behind the chronic commissions thing) promoted for Adam and Tim heavily - so Adam and Tim are doing reciprocals and returning the favor.

        OR - on the other hand, they know it'll convert well and want a piece of the pie

        Edit: Funny observation from their JV Page

        "Who's already on board? (No Particular order)
        Adeel Chowdry, Jani G, Alex Malave, Joey Kissimmee"

        Why not list the biggest scammers FIRST to impress your JV's right? LMAO
        Add Philip Mansour to the list, just got an email from him! He also sent me the one with the well endowed lady last time.
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    • Profile picture of the author gforces
      Originally Posted by randommouse View Post

      question is, why are Adam and Tim of Local Mobile Monopoly promoting it, with Tim even shooting a video to convince us that this is worth getting?
      These guys will promote anything to make a fast buck or two. They built a list and now promote anything and everything to it. I know, I'm on it. What surprised my this morning was to find Adam Short of "ProfitNicheClassroom" promoting it.... I have had respect for him and his approach to IM... but now I'm not so sure he deserves it.
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      • Profile picture of the author bob_sikorski
        Originally Posted by gforces View Post

        These guys will promote anything to make a fast buck or two. They built a list and now promote anything and everything to it. I know, I'm on it. What surprised my this morning was to find Adam Short of "ProfitNicheClassroom" promoting it.... I have had respect for him and his approach to IM... but now I'm not so sure he deserves it.
        Adam promoting this? I'm surprised. Things must be a little slow over at the classroom.

        BTW, Paypal has really put the hammer down on some of these marketers. Went to purchase two products today and received a notice that there merchant accounts have been disabled. Ouch!
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      • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
        Originally Posted by gforces View Post

        These guys will promote anything to make a fast buck or two. They built a list and now promote anything and everything to it. I know, I'm on it. What surprised my this morning was to find Adam Short of "ProfitNicheClassroom" promoting it.... I have had respect for him and his approach to IM... but now I'm not so sure he deserves it.
        I'm sure Adam is promoting it as well because the actual product is a GOOD product. Yes, the sales pitch is quite hypey and i'll admit that. But the market in general (the non-knowledgeable unlike the warriors here) are trained for it.

        You guys know better- come here- read the reviews and decide from there
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        • Profile picture of the author Miss_McCoy
          Originally Posted by AnikSingal View Post

          I'm sure Adam is promoting it as well because the actual product is a GOOD product. Yes, the sales pitch is quite hypey and i'll admit that. But the market in general (the non-knowledgeable unlike the warriors here) are trained for it.

          You guys know better- come here- read the reviews and decide from there
          Thanks for the review Anik. Quick Question: How much $ do we have to spend on this traffic source to bring in some income from this?
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    • Profile picture of the author RickGueli
      Originally Posted by randommouse View Post

      question is, why are Adam and Tim of Local Mobile Monopoly promoting it, with Tim even shooting a video to convince us that this is worth getting?
      Indeed. Normally I don't give these type of promotions a second though. But then when there are reputable marketers who start promoting these... hmmm
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
    Weird, I just got another email about another totally different product also titled "Chronic..." - back when I worked in a mental hospital that wasn't a word used to sell something, that's for sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
    There are actually two offers that came out today- that I've been reviewing..

    Chronic Commissions & Commission Black OPS- don't get them confused..

    one's a hippy and the others a ex-war veteran.

    I'm actually reviewing Chronic Commissions right now, so hang tight for a review
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by AnikSingal View Post

      There are actually two offers that came out today- that I've been reviewing..

      Chronic Commissions & Commission Black OPS- don't get them confused..

      one's a hippy and the others a ex-war veteran.

      I'm actually reviewing Chronic Commissions right now, so hang tight for a review
      Looking forward to an honest review from you!

      I'll be getting this (or black ops) tonight most likely, in a few hours actually

      EDIT: Since Anik is getting the stoner program, i'll get commission black ops tonight and do a review - we can kill two birds with one stone that way
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  • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
    Okay- Chronic Commissions..

    So I've taken a look inside the members area ( I was given access from the creators, as I do review the offers I mail to my mailing list).

    I'm not quite sure, which "package" or upsells etc I received but here's the just of the program I have my hands on. But I beleive from the looks, I have the BASE package, which is perfect.

    This setup is VERY newbie friendly. A video for each sections, super easy to understand, a little low on volume, but it's okay- turn up your speakers!

    Essentially, it does not require the user to have a domain or hosting. the software is WEB BASED.

    You enter in a few pieces of information.
    - Clickbank ID - for your affiliate links
    - Paypal ID - if you decide to get paid per lead
    - Aweber Optin Code - read below

    The reason for the paypal ID/Aweber Optin is this- you have a choice- the creators will pay you per lead if you like OR you can use your own Aweber code to collect leads (I would of course collect leads!)

    Once you fill out those simple steps.. you're ready to set up your campaigns (that first step took me 2 mins max)

    Okay- next we are ready to setup campaigns- You have 5 highly converting IM offers displayed in which you simply type in your own "Tracking ID" (whatever you want) and decide if you want it go to the squeeze page or sales letter.

    Once you select the one, it takes you to a page that shows your affiliate ID with tracking built in- so it's masked and custom to you.

    You're displayed email swipes as well at that point.

    I tried the squeeze page first and it took me to my very own squeeze page. And it appears to be a strong one - as I certainly approve of it. It offers an exit splash in which it takes you directly to the sales offer.

    The sales offer one does just that- takes you to the sales offer.

    Of course both embed your clickbank affiliate ID into it so you get the credit.

    Now- Traffic section is actually REALLY neat. I've been wanting to do this for some time, just haven't gotten around to it. Anyways- here is what it is.

    A very comprehensive solo ad directory of about 20 people. Each showing you their tested results, the list size, costs per xxx clicks. ETC.

    The rest of that section is pretty self explaining- really neat part. That alone is worth the cost of the program in my opinion. A nice directory- I think ezine was selling this for $197 bucks or something.

    And the last important section was tracking- nice tracking interface, showing your campaign, your raw clicks, unique clicks, optins and description. Also it displays your traffic stats as well in a easy to view summary of each offer.

    Also to the left side are the "bonuses".

    These are:

    Bonus Campaigns- 5 high converting squeeze pages that give away a ebook/report.
    Bonus Downloads seems to be the same thing?

    And the last is a bonus Personalized coaching- no idea what that is yet - as it's not till 10 days from now!

    So here's my final review- to me, it's worth the money. Sure you can do everything yourself.. and that's great. But for a newbie or someone who likes to save time, this software is a easy to use yet very informational tool!

    If anyone has any questions, I can try to answer them

    edit: Upsells are as follow

    36 MORE campaigns - pretty cool if set up like the other 10

    And an 8 week coaching session with the creators.

    Both valuable upsells in one way or another.
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    • Profile picture of the author maxspeed65
      "" A very comprehensive solo ad directory of about 20 people. Each showing you their tested results, the list size, costs per xxx clicks. ETC. ""

      So does this mean after buying and installing the product you then have to pay for clicks? That's the giant traffic source that no one is using, solo ad lists?
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      • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
        Originally Posted by maxspeed65 View Post

        "" A very comprehensive solo ad directory of about 20 people. Each showing you their tested results, the list size, costs per xxx clicks. ETC. ""

        So does this mean after buying and installing the product you then have to pay for clicks? That's the giant traffic source that no one is using, solo ad lists?
        I have no clue- didn't watch the sales video long enough I suppose.
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      • Profile picture of the author sanhal
        Originally Posted by maxspeed65 View Post

        "" A very comprehensive solo ad directory of about 20 people. Each showing you their tested results, the list size, costs per xxx clicks. ETC. ""
        If everyone who buys this app books the solo ads surely the list of 20 people is not going to be big enough. These 20 people aren't going to want to mail out the same ads to their list time and time again are they?

        Sandy
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      • Profile picture of the author johnrapp
        Originally Posted by maxspeed65 View Post

        "" A very comprehensive solo ad directory of about 20 people. Each showing you their tested results, the list size, costs per xxx clicks. ETC. ""

        So does this mean after buying and installing the product you then have to pay for clicks? That's the giant traffic source that no one is using, solo ad lists?
        that's i'm trying to get to the bottom of right now... they lead you to believe there's thousands of traffic sources, and the guy in the video says he signed up for 100 in 15 minutes...

        but all i see is a list of 60 people who charge you a minimum of $60 for 200 clicks for an ad thru to their subscribers.

        right on, that might work and i'm gonna try it. but that is totally not how they presented it, dude. whoa.
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    • Profile picture of the author ballhogjoni
      Originally Posted by AnikSingal View Post

      Okay- Chronic Commissions..

      So I've taken a look inside the members area ( I was given access from the creators, as I do review the offers I mail to my mailing list).

      I'm not quite sure, which "package" or upsells etc I received but here's the just of the program I have my hands on. But I beleive from the looks, I have the BASE package, which is perfect.

      This setup is VERY newbie friendly. A video for each sections, super easy to understand, a little low on volume, but it's okay- turn up your speakers!

      Essentially, it does not require the user to have a domain or hosting. the software is WEB BASED.

      You enter in a few pieces of information.
      - Clickbank ID - for your affiliate links
      - Paypal ID - if you decide to get paid per lead
      - Aweber Optin Code - read below

      The reason for the paypal ID/Aweber Optin is this- you have a choice- the creators will pay you per lead if you like OR you can use your own Aweber code to collect leads (I would of course collect leads!)

      Once you fill out those simple steps.. you're ready to set up your campaigns (that first step took me 2 mins max)

      Okay- next we are ready to setup campaigns- You have 5 highly converting IM offers displayed in which you simply type in your own "Tracking ID" (whatever you want) and decide if you want it go to the squeeze page or sales letter.

      Once you select the one, it takes you to a page that shows your affiliate ID with tracking built in- so it's masked and custom to you.

      You're displayed email swipes as well at that point.

      I tried the squeeze page first and it took me to my very own squeeze page. And it appears to be a strong one - as I certainly approve of it. It offers an exit splash in which it takes you directly to the sales offer.

      The sales offer one does just that- takes you to the sales offer.

      Of course both embed your clickbank affiliate ID into it so you get the credit.

      Now- Traffic section is actually REALLY neat. I've been wanting to do this for some time, just haven't gotten around to it. Anyways- here is what it is.

      A very comprehensive solo ad directory of about 20 people. Each showing you their tested results, the list size, costs per xxx clicks. ETC.

      The rest of that section is pretty self explaining- really neat part. That alone is worth the cost of the program in my opinion. A nice directory- I think ezine was selling this for $197 bucks or something.

      And the last important section was tracking- nice tracking interface, showing your campaign, your raw clicks, unique clicks, optins and description. Also it displays your traffic stats as well in a easy to view summary of each offer.

      Also to the left side are the "bonuses".

      These are:

      Bonus Campaigns- 5 high converting squeeze pages that give away a ebook/report.
      Bonus Downloads seems to be the same thing?

      And the last is a bonus Personalized coaching- no idea what that is yet - as it's not till 10 days from now!

      So here's my final review- to me, it's worth the money. Sure you can do everything yourself.. and that's great. But for a newbie or someone who likes to save time, this software is a easy to use yet very informational tool!

      If anyone has any questions, I can try to answer them

      edit: Upsells are as follow

      36 MORE campaigns - pretty cool if set up like the other 10

      And an 8 week coaching session with the creators.

      Both valuable upsells in one way or another.
      so is the point of this product to setup squeeze pages and pay for solo ads for people to visit the squeeze pages?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Thanks Anik - can you give a link to a page you built or squeeze page? Did you get any of this on video by chance?

    Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
    I didn't do a video, but here's a few examples:

    Make 5-Figures Online

    Instant Passive Profits - 60 Minutes To Money?

    Commission System

    (now guys these DO have affiliate links BUT i wanted to show them just for examples- so Mod's don't get mad!)
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    • Profile picture of the author ysckyler
      LOL, i was impresse with your review anik and i am so curious about this product and i bite the bullet to go ahead and purchase this product.

      The things is, after i am not sure which upsell, the page just came up
      " Page cannot be display"

      LOL!!!!

      I guess too many couch surfers are getting on this product :p

      Will be heading out to clickbank to get support from vendor and see how it goes.

      After i gone through the product, i will give my own thought about this product :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author rhinopower
    Hey Anik,

    As always thanks for another great review. Jeff, I always look forward to your reviews too. I got an email about this product too.
    Anik, On a side note. Did you get my Pm's on that other product?

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  • Profile picture of the author ZNICK
    I still don't understand WHAT it is? Is it a traffic system? A squeeze page generator? A tracking site? All of the above?

    "Push 5 buttons", and WHAT happens?

    Anik, I'm a tad taken by your enthusiasm for this one, it's similar to 2,348,201+ scam "push button make money" products that have come out in the last 6 months that are all crap... borderline scams.

    What dos this DO?

    HOW does this work?

    Z
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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      Originally Posted by ZNICK View Post

      I still don't understand WHAT it is? Is it a traffic system? A squeeze page generator? A tracking site? All of the above?

      "Push 5 buttons", and WHAT happens?

      Anik, I'm a tad taken by your enthusiasm for this one, it's similar to 2,348,201+ scam "push button make money" products that have come out in the last 6 months that are all crap... borderline scams.

      What dos this DO?

      HOW does this work?

      Z
      exactly what i was thinking..........just sounds like your paying for a squeeze page template and a few other things to build your own list..pathetic!

      seems so called GURUS ethos of i scratch your back and you scratch mine is still very much alive.........there is no such thing as a push button software to make $$$$. if you want to make money stick to the basics and make it work.

      just my 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
      Originally Posted by ZNICK View Post

      I still don't understand WHAT it is? Is it a traffic system? A squeeze page generator? A tracking site? All of the above?

      "Push 5 buttons", and WHAT happens?

      Anik, I'm a tad taken by your enthusiasm for this one, it's similar to 2,348,201+ scam "push button make money" products that have come out in the last 6 months that are all crap... borderline scams.

      What dos this DO?

      HOW does this work?

      Z

      Did you just read anything I read above? I did my review- the product is solid. (i explain EXACTLY how it works above)

      Does it work, YES, it works.

      Will it cut down on your time? YES it does.

      Will it make you billions of dollars? NO it won't.

      COULD it start building your list and make a few sales? YES! it could.

      It gives you a source of REAL traffic- though it will cost you money, they are offering REALLY high converting sales pages along with some reports/ebooks to give away -or directing them to a high converting sales page.

      And last but not least. it's 49.95.
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      • Profile picture of the author sanhal
        Originally Posted by AnikSingal View Post

        And last but not least. it's 49.95.
        There is a OTO if you try to leave the page for $39.95 ( only 19 packages left! )

        You are also offered video proof by Corey Lewis of the affiliate earnings he made for a 10 day period in June and also for the whole month of June using this system .......or so he says.

        After the video you get another chance to buy it at $39.95

        I suppose it's worth a try. You can always get a refund.

        Sandy
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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    Does it make any money? Anik, you should have some results by now. Going to give us a report? Like ZNICK says, I think it just has that "scam aura" hanging all over it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    I believe that is "Michael Jones" in the audio. So what's that tell ya?

    Here's a video where he claims to be Ken Walker and he admits to being behind some of the scam launches of the past. Claimed he was done with them...


    Sounds like the same guy to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author New IMer
      I bought one of michael jones product, and it's a video course. in one of the training video, I saw ken walker junior on the filezilla interface when he FTP something. so I pretty much sure they are the same guy. one more thing, I dont feel special when it comes to michael jones, i am on his listS and pretty much every list use different sender address(not email address), so is it telling me that if you want to make money online, you need to be fake??????


      I dont know folks.:confused:

      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      I believe that is "Michael Jones" in the audio. So what's that tell ya?

      Here's a video where he claims to be Ken Walker and he admits to being behind some of the scam launches of the past. Claimed he was done with them...

      YouTube - &#x202a;MattieBlazeHosting.com - Forum Announcement&#x202c;&rlm;

      Sounds like the same guy to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sham Cristie
      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      I believe that is "Michael Jones" in the audio. So what's that tell ya?

      Here's a video where he claims to be Ken Walker and he admits to being behind some of the scam launches of the past. Claimed he was done with them...

      YouTube - &#x202a;MattieBlazeHosting.com - Forum Announcement&#x202c;&rlm;

      Sounds like the same guy to me.
      They really do sound like the same person ... mmmm
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Anik, how much does it cost to use the 'super duper secret traffic system' and email the lists of the 20 people available? And who's to say that the 1,000 plus people who buy this program wont' saturate those lists to the point of extinction.

    The product was sold by a guy with $12.00 in his bank account - point being - you can have no money and still make this work. Without traffic, without PAYING people to email their lists and send their traffic to your site - this product is useless. There was no mention of having to pay for traffic in the sales video, and it was very much written to sound like a homeless guy could do it even with just $12.00 to his name.

    I can see this being a decent product - BUT with the way it was sold - I can also seeing the refund rate being rather high.

    If they were HONEST about what it was, and told people the TRUTH - i'd be ok with that - but the only reason 99% of people ARE buying it is because of the lies on the sales page. You and I both know it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Miss_McCoy
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      Anik, how much does it cost to use the 'super duper secret traffic system' and email the lists of the 20 people available? And who's to say that the 1,000 plus people who buy this program wont' saturate those lists to the point of extinction.

      The product was sold by a guy with $12.00 in his bank account - point being - you can have no money and still make this work. Without traffic, without PAYING people to email their lists and send their traffic to your site - this product is useless. There was no mention of having to pay for traffic in the sales video, and it was very much written to sound like a homeless guy could do it even with just $12.00 to his name.

      I can see this being a decent product - BUT with the way it was sold - I can also seeing the refund rate being rather high.

      If they were HONEST about what it was, and told people the TRUTH - i'd be ok with that - but the only reason 99% of people ARE buying it is because of the lies on the sales page. You and I both know it.
      I also listened to the whole sales video/story and there was no mention of any extra costs for or having to pay for traffic. Even in the JiV area it says at the most, which is optional would be to invest in an autoresponder. I appreciate some light shed on this topic. Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      Anik, how much does it cost to use the 'super duper secret traffic system' and email the lists of the 20 people available? And who's to say that the 1,000 plus people who buy this program wont' saturate those lists to the point of extinction.

      The product was sold by a guy with $12.00 in his bank account - point being - you can have no money and still make this work. Without traffic, without PAYING people to email their lists and send their traffic to your site - this product is useless. There was no mention of having to pay for traffic in the sales video, and it was very much written to sound like a homeless guy could do it even with just $12.00 to his name.

      I can see this being a decent product - BUT with the way it was sold - I can also seeing the refund rate being rather high.

      If they were HONEST about what it was, and told people the TRUTH - i'd be ok with that - but the only reason 99% of people ARE buying it is because of the lies on the sales page. You and I both know it.

      Well... I will agree there- but here is the reality of things to me.

      1. 80-90% of the people who buy won't even try using the solo ads, they will make their easy to follow parts- and then sit there and wait..

      2. The actual squeeze page and report giveaway/direct to sales page with tracking itself is really cool by itself. To me that alone is worth the price of the product - as it really can save you a ton of time. If you could plug in ANY product and it would do it for you.. it would be even better!

      3. With $12 dollars... well that's tough, I would need $100 to start off again if needed. Heck that's EXACTLY what I started with a 8 years ago...

      BUT- with that being said, I chalk that down for marketing to explain, though not free- it costs a few bucks to get started..

      I'm not defending the guys, just giving you a logical argument back from what I would think the marketers did from their side.

      I still think the product is good, the sales video a little hypey but because I like the end product, I do plan on giving it a promo- but I will tell my subscribers exactly what they are getting.
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  • Profile picture of the author James_Harkin
    Rouge Hackers? lol ... someone needs an editor to proof read their powerpoint slides...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by James_Harkin View Post

      Rouge Hackers? lol ... someone needs an editor to proof read their powerpoint slides...
      I just figured they were from Louisiana....
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryBurke
    Thanks for the review Anik.
    But like any other review of a product that claims it will make you money in 24 hours or just like the video where he only has $12 in the bank then just like magic has thousands
    there are lots of reviews of different products, but I have yet to see one where the reviewer not only praises the product but says they actually made money in 24 hours as claimed with proof
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    • Profile picture of the author gforces
      Originally Posted by GaryBurke View Post

      Thanks for the review Anik.
      But like any other review of a product that claims it will make you money in 24 hours or just like the video where he only has $12 in the bank then just like magic has thousands
      there are lots of reviews of different products, but I have yet to see one where the reviewer not only praises the product but says they actually made money in 24 hours as claimed with proof
      Yes, I have to agree. These thin reviews of a product, made right after purchasing aren't really reviews at all. I will wait for someone to come back in 24 - 48 hours and show us the income it's bringing them. Is anybody able to do that?
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        • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
          Originally Posted by raybal5 View Post

          I agree with gforces. While Anik might think it's good with what seems like just a cursory look, I want him to report back on how much he actually made by clicking on 5 buttons. At post 20 Anik makes a telling revelation on the quality of the review.

          Also amusing is that like many others it claims to do so "... without a list... without connections...etc" yet list building using his (very limited) 20 connection is exactly what this is about.

          Unless someone actually makes $$ with this I think I'll pass thanks!
          Okay - so I never watched the sales letter- but I did watch for a few minutes right now.

          5 buttons clicking- COULD be right, but you also need to do a little copy pasting.

          It takes 2 fields to fill out - click next, pick a campaign fill out 1 field, click next, copy email to clip board, pick up a solo ad, Click on the solo ad you want, paste what you want the solo ad to say, then click send.. wait for the guy to send the solo ad to his list...

          And with that you'd grab email addresses or sales.

          That is 5 clicks- with a little of form filling.. LOL..

          I'm not in any way trying to justify their sales letter here, just doing a quick thought process and the "5 clicks" may sound a little far fetched but if you put in a few fill in the blanks -it sounds feasible.. sorta.
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    • Profile picture of the author b2bzone
      Originally Posted by GaryBurke View Post

      Thanks for the review Anik.
      But like any other review of a product that claims it will make you money in 24 hours or just like the video where he only has $12 in the bank then just like magic has thousands
      there are lots of reviews of different products, but I have yet to see one where the reviewer not only praises the product but says they actually made money in 24 hours as claimed with proof
      Eggggggggggsactly! WF reviews are excellent for dispelling the BS claims made by so many digital products. But what is so frustrating to me is that almost never do I see any reviews or follow-up posts that mention, at least generally, whether the product itself actually works and the income it is generating. I know that with some products the results may be delayed while the buyer builds a web site or Facebook page or whatever. Still, reviews or posts with real, actionable results are so rare that it makes me wonder.

      It is a greed factor? In other words, if someone finds a miracle product that does everything it promises and the push-button traffic and CB commissions come a-rolling in, are most WR members too busy counting and protecting their profits to share their good fortune with others? Or is it a sad fact that so very few single products actually make a difference? :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by b2bzone View Post

        Eggggggggggsactly! WF reviews are excellent for dispelling the BS claims made by so many digital products. But what is so frustrating to me is that almost never do I see any reviews or follow-up posts that mention, at least generally, whether the product itself actually works and the income it is generating. I know that with some products the results may be delayed while the buyer builds a web site or Facebook page or whatever. Still, reviews or posts with real, actionable results are so rare that it makes me wonder.

        It is a greed factor? In other words, if someone finds a miracle product that does everything it promises and the push-button traffic and CB commissions come a-rolling in, are most WR members too busy counting and protecting their profits to share their good fortune with others? Or is it a sad fact that so very few single products actually make a difference? :confused:

        I'm here to learn and help, if i made a $hit ton with one of these products - i'd be the first to admit it!
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        • Profile picture of the author mj2059
          I don't have time to start up anything new, and this sales letter cretainly would not get me to buy - way too much hype.

          Gotta admit it was entertaining though...
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    are people here really THAT naive?

    if this is what sells in IM... i'm in the wrong market.
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    • Profile picture of the author affhelper
      There is an opportunity here. Someone should come up
      with a product that teaches this:

      "How to build a list of stupid people that buy everything
      we send them"

      You will discover:

      - How to get thousands of wannabes on your list that
      don't want to do anything but have a credit card in hand
      to buy whatever you email them

      - How to make them stay on your list so they continue to buy
      the stuff even 2 years later

      - Simple tricks we use to get people to buy without thinking
      twice. (hint: these buyers have a short memory span and they
      forget about what was said on the sales page after purchase)


      Now that would be a product to buy for sure!!
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  • Profile picture of the author ysckyler
    Like i say in my earlier post, i bought this product and i will do a review on this product soon because i thought the sales page is kinda cool.

    Well the product is essential this :

    It a 2 parts process.

    1st Part
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    They create on your behalf really cool squeeze page for 6 click banks products and they also crafted nice and well thought out promotional email campaigns through aweber for you.

    2nd Part
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    Email Your Campaign


    What you get
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    -6 click banks campaign / product to choose from ( you can promote all if you like )

    - promotional emails for each campaign / product

    - tools to track your campaign

    The process is easy and painless,

    with a few clicks you can get your click bank id in all the campaign and promotional emails set up.

    Traffic
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    This is where money making is suppose to happen.

    If you already have a huge list to sent your emails great. If you don't
    they provide you with about 20 person who for a fee, they will sent your email thorough them.

    I am not sure what the going rate for using other people list.

    But the min price is $150 for 500 clicks and $300 for 1000 clicks

    and the range differs from different promoters.

    So with the promotional email list you created, you contact these 20 person of your choice through skype, and give them money so they can email your promotion out.

    Tracking
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    Since you already embedded your affiliate id and your aweber code in your email list. They have a nice interface letting you know how many click and how many conversion you have made. That is all.

    Conclusion
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    I am a newbie in IM, so i do not have a list yet. Plus I got a impression that I do not need to spend more money to get more money. And I do not have that kind of cash to test this out. It could work, or it could bomb. This system could also give you a huge list if the promoters are well like by their members.

    If you do not have spare cash to try or do not have a huge list, do not even bother.

    The product is good, too much hype but good. Not for me at this point. When i have a huge list, or need a huge list or have the spare cash, i would come back to to this product to test it.

    Well i already begun the refund process. So if you need more info, just post a question and i can answer them if you like.
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  • Profile picture of the author ysckyler
    I still think the product is good, the sales video a little hypey but because I like the end product, I do plan on giving it a promo- but I will tell my subscribers exactly what they are getting.
    Well Anik, I am in your list, and your list has always been on the hypey side to me. So i am looking forward that this time if you sent your list, you can be honest about this product. Because i feel that this product is misleading in so many ways that you do not need to spend a dime and a homeless guy can do it.

    In actual fact, you need to chalk up even more money to get result.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    LMAO- I just received the first of which I am sure will be multiple emails, from Anik promoting this crap. I knew that was coming.

    Things must be rough in guruland if he is in here trying to feed his funnel...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      LMAO- I just received the first of which I am sure will be multiple emails, from Anik promoting this crap. I knew that was coming.

      Things must be rough in guruland if he is in here trying to feed his funnel...
      How'd the email read?
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      • Profile picture of the author onemorewarrior
        Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

        How'd the email read?
        Well JEFF

        The email reads like a stripped down version of the review he gave above.
        He does in fact tell you that he has viewed the product and thinks it is good product.

        Here is the opening line.


        I just finished watching this video.

        INSERT AFF LINK HERE

        And I found it very amusing.

        And I understand it's quite hypey.

        But as you know, I always check out
        the product on the OTHER side to decide
        if it's a GOOD product.

        Anik is truthful in the e-mail and never claims anything that he has not alresdy stated here.
        CHEERS
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      • Profile picture of the author powercazh
        how about if I have my own email list? Can my list be uploaded to this webbased app? or we can use only the default solo ad lists?
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    • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      LMAO- I just received the first of which I am sure will be multiple emails, from Anik promoting this crap. I knew that was coming.

      Things must be rough in guruland if he is in here trying to feed his funnel...
      LOL- Thanks Don- I ACTUALLY SAY right above that I will be mailing this offer because i do feel although a hypey sales letter- that the product is GOOD.

      Btw if you think I mail crap, please unsubscribe from my list, I don't need your negative energy on my list. Thanks.

      Here is what I MAILED- just so everyone can see..


      [fname],

      I just finished watching this video.

      And I found it very amusing.

      And I understand it's quite hypey.

      But as you know, I always check out
      the product on the OTHER side to decide
      if it's a GOOD product.

      <LINK REMOVED>

      To my surprise, I was very shocked and
      pleased with the product. I did a quick
      overview of the product and here is what
      it does for you.

      - EASY to use software- NEWBIE friendly
      - No Hosting or Domain Needed
      - Takes only a few minutes to get your
      campaigns up and running.

      <LINK REMOVED>

      And it's setup in 4 different selections and it's
      simple to use.

      - Entering your information
      - Set up your campaign
      - Setting up your traffic sources
      - Tracking your traffic and sales

      <LINK REMOVED>

      That's it- it's easy to do, took me roughly
      5 minutes to get my first campaign up and
      running. (And I haven't been practicing!)

      So, go ahead watch this funny video, ignore
      the hype , and get your campaigns online.

      <LINK REMOVED>

      Talk Soon,

      Anik
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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    Personally I think that this is a very good product that will be especially helpful too internet marketing newbies especially those that don't have a website etc. I really liked the product obviously there are going to be several in the Warrior crowd that are not going to need this product whatsoever unless they are just trying to easily set up some easy squeeze pages etc.

    I think sometimes Warriors including myself at times forget that not everyone is an experienced internet marketer and that products such as this one are very helpful to those new to internet marketing!

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post


      I think sometimes Warriors including myself at times forget that not everyone is an experienced internet marketer and that products such as this one are very helpful to those new to internet marketing!

      Tim
      I think the problem is that those pesky damned customers expect the product to actually be what the sales page describes.

      The nerve of those *******s.

      Everyone reading this thread and every other thread in this review section - SHOULD KNOW THE DEAL....if you don't, stop being so damn gullible.

      Marketers mail this stuff so that others will mail their ****...not ALWAYS because it's a good product....

      Think about it, how many GREAT WSO'S have you bought...when is the last time you've seen any of the CB launch circle tell their customers about one of them....hmmmm...never you say?

      I wonder why....maybe because many of the wso sellers don't have the list size to reciprocate...nah...couldn't be that.

      This is business and as many times as people tell you that they are telling you something because they "like you" and want to "help you" - the bottom line is it's all about the Benjis! (benjamins for you slower folk).
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      • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
        LOL Jeremy..

        It's not only about reciprocation, its about conversion and EPC. It's also about product quality and low refunds. It's also about if you are a cool guy to hang with, you pay your affiliates and that you have a good overall track record. It's about how big of a name you have.. How long you have been around..

        It's about alot of things.



        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        I think the problem is that those pesky damned customers expect the product to actually be what the sales page describes.

        The nerve of those *******s.

        Everyone reading this thread and every other thread in this review section - SHOULD KNOW THE DEAL....if you don't, stop being so damn gullible.

        Marketers mail this stuff so that others will mail their ****...not ALWAYS because it's a good product....

        Think about it, how many GREAT WSO'S have you bought...when is the last time you've seen any of the CB launch circle tell their customers about one of them....hmmmm...never you say?

        I wonder why....maybe because many of the wso sellers don't have the list size to reciprocate...nah...couldn't be that.

        This is business and as many times as people tell you that they are telling you something because they "like you" and want to "help you" - the bottom line is it's all about the Benjis! (benjamins for you slower folk).
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

          LOL Jeremy..

          It's not only about reciprocation, its about conversion and EPC. It's also about product quality and refunds. It's also about if you are a cool guy to hang with, and that you have a good track record.

          It's about alot of things.
          EPC? Dude...please...We both know that the EPC when these things start is a hell of alot different than what the EPC is a month later....

          I do agree with the "cool guy to hang with" though

          The DAMAGE that some of the launches lately are doing to Internet Marketing Can't be worth what people make peddling garbage.

          I havn't seen this product, so I'm not talking about it specifically.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            I do agree with the "cool guy to hang with" though
            Haha so maybe that's why you promoted George Brown. LOL

            Party animal. :p
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

              Haha so maybe that's why you promoted George Brown. LOL

              Party animal. :p
              I promoted George for a couple reasons.

              1. His sales letter told you exactly what you were getting.

              2. There were/are a ton of success stories from the original product

              I've participated in 2 "bigger" launches - Google Sniper and SENUKE, and both of them, I finished on the leaderboard...It would be easy for me and my partner to jump on these launches and "sell out" our list, but I don't need the money bad enough to blatantly lie to people that trust me.

              There are TONS of good products out there that anyone can promote and have a clear conscience when it's all said and done - Unfortunately, these repeated reincarnations of squeeze page and website creation tools which are touted as the second coming of Christ aren't among them.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      Personally I think that this is a very good product that will be especially helpful too internet marketing newbies especially those that don't have a website etc. I really liked the product obviously there are going to be several in the Warrior crowd that are not going to need this product whatsoever unless they are just trying to easily set up some easy squeeze pages etc.

      I think sometimes Warriors including myself at times forget that not everyone is an experienced internet marketer and that products such as this one are very helpful to those new to internet marketing!

      Tim
      Thanks Tim for a positive insight. This part of the forum is funny to me. VERY NEGATIVE energy. I looked through and besides some wso reviews, mostly ALL NEGATIVE.

      Maybe many of them are jaded. But to BASH a product before trying it or purchasing is ridiculous. HOW do you know these won't work if you haven't tried.

      And for the people wondering WHO are selling these solo ads, they are not marketers that are known- any known marketer doesn't sell solo ads, as it would be pointless.

      It's 25 not 20, didn't notice the extra tab. I find it interesting to have a well laid out (name, skype, list size, costs , email) site in which I can find solo ads as I want.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    I got an email from Tony Sanders yesterday about this- I wonder if he's hurting for cash or something.

    Lately I've had more people send me links for CB products than in the last few months- what gives?

    Even if Anik likes this product, I think I'll keep my $50 for something else- that can get you several WSOs :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    Anik- what you and so many other guru types so easily accept is that the program is being marketed with a lie. Do you believe the story in the sales letter for even a minute? I mean come on...

    This has been the trend for quite a while now. The strippers, the tycoons getting on jets etc. It's all lies. I guess if they gave a disclosure right off the bat stating that the story was fictional and the people in the video were paid actors/announcers etc, it might be legal. But to portray these story lines as fact is out right fraud, yet you have no trouble standing behind it. It's amazing to me, it really is.

    What's even more amazing is that they continue to get away with it. Eventually these idiots are going to get cracked down on. When that happens it will bring a whole new array of disclosure requirements into the mix, and that is going to make it more difficult for everybody.

    If you are such a straight shooter, then it should be of concern to you that the sales letter isn't even close to meeting the disclosure requirements that are currently in effect. But, apparently you have no problem associating yourself with the product (and I use that term loosely) in spite of this fact.

    If it was offered as squeeze page templates and a list of solo ad sources, of course it wouldn't sell like it probably will. So they feel the need to slap some fictional, bull**** story behind it to hype it up into something that it isn't. In fact, they won't even tell you what they are selling in the sales copy because they know if they did it wouldn't be nearly as successful.

    In my mind if you are promoting something that you feel a need to make excuses for, then you are probably better off not promoting it to begin with. Just a thought...
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    • Profile picture of the author HJMAX33
      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      Anik- what you and so many other guru types so easily accept is that the program is being marketed with a lie. Do you believe the story in the sales letter for even a minute? I mean come on...

      This has been the trend for quite a while now. The strippers, the tycoons getting on jets etc. It's all lies. I guess if they gave a disclosure right off the bat stating that the story was fictional and the people in the video were paid actors/announcers etc, it might be legal. But to portray these story lines as fact is out right fraud, yet you have no trouble standing behind it. It's amazing to me, it really is.

      What's even more amazing is that they continue to get away with it. Eventually these idiots are going to get cracked down on. When that happens it will bring a whole new array of disclosure requirements into the mix, and that is going to make it more difficult for everybody.

      If you are such a straight shooter, then it should be of concern to you that the sales letter isn't even close to meeting the disclosure requirements that are currently in effect. But, apparently you have no problem associating yourself with the product (and I use that term loosely) in spite of this fact.

      If it was offered as squeeze page templates and a list of solo ad sources, of course it wouldn't sell like it probably will. So they feel the need to slap some fictional, bull**** story behind it to hype it up into something that it isn't. In fact, they won't even tell you what they are selling in the sales copy because they know if they did it wouldn't be nearly as successful.

      In my mind if you are promoting something that you feel a need to make excuses for, then you are probably better off not promoting it to begin with. Just a thought...
      I 100% agree with Don! I think marketing with lies creates more "negative" energy than anything! I use these useless product promotions as a reason to unsubscribe from the lists of so called, Gurus who promote this crap! Bye-Bye Shawn Casey! Also for those who found the sales letter funny.............watch an old Cheech & Chong movie.....you will laugh and get a lot more out of the experience than buying some worn out rehashed crap!
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      • Profile picture of the author todd11
        Originally Posted by HJMAX33 View Post

        I 100% agree with Don! I think marketing with lies creates more "negative" energy than anything! I use these useless product promotions as a reason to unsubscribe from the lists of so called, Gurus who promote this crap! Bye-Bye Shawn Casey! Also for those who found the sales letter funny.............watch an old Cheech & Chong movie.....you will laugh and get a lot more out of the experience than buying some worn out rehashed crap!
        I agree, you can see my sentiments about the dichotomy between the sales video and the product in my video about it right here: EasyVideoPlayer 2.0 » hippy2 That's my frank discussion about just how misleading the video is and just how good the product turned out to be. Won't do anything like what is stated in the video, but its still essential!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    To me it doesn't matter if the product is actually good. When I see this type of salesletter I am sometimes sick to my stomach and sometimes overcome with laughter. Just paragraph after paragraph of bull$hit. And the point has been hit already by a few people...these launches continue because of promises of reciprocal mailings coupled with the fact that fresh leads and newbs continue to buy, and the cycle continues and continues...
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  • Profile picture of the author Gardenbella
    I know I'm new to IM and to this forum but I have to tell you that I am getting pretty tired of people criticizing a product that they HAVEN'T bought and therefore haven't used. I would be nice if we could have some reviews of the product from people who have actually used the product and therefore can speak from experience and we can then make an educated decision. I know there are lots of crap products out there, and I have bought several. But I also know that I can ask for my money back if it turns out to be a product that doesn’t live up to its advertising. So, besides Anik, is there anyone who has used this product and believes it’s worthwhile to buy?
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    • Profile picture of the author brendan301
      read the salesletter, and anik's review, and i'm stuck on 1 point. let me see if I've got this straight, i'm supposed to have a list that I mail their selected offers or B) pick 1 of 20 marketers with lists to do a solo ad with, marketers who've been contacted by alot of people to mail the same 6 offers??? how long will it be before these 20 folks get tired of being contacted to send these offers out, and how responsive will their lists be?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by brendan301 View Post

        read the salesletter, and anik's review, and i'm stuck on 1 point. let me see if I've got this straight, i'm supposed to have a list that I mail their selected offers or B) pick 1 of 20 marketers with lists to do a solo ad with, marketers who've been contacted by alot of people to mail the same 6 offers??? how long will it be before these 20 folks get tired of being contacted to send these offers out, and how responsive will their lists be?
        They won't get tired at all. I'm guessing the 20 people are the product creator and friends - and people are going to be contacting them, offering to pay THEM good money to mail for them.

        However, I do think that those lists will start to receive MUCH lower open rates due to the saturation and the influx of new daily emails and offers being sent to them. He'll need to add more people to that list for sure, but then back to point 1 - you DO need to pay to use this 'top secret traffic source'
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        • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
          Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

          I'm guessing the 20 people are the product creator and friends
          *Bullseye*

          It's also very likely that the 6 CB products that you would be promoting are closely related to the creator and his circle jerk buddies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Originally Posted by Gardenbella View Post

      I know I'm new to IM and to this forum but I have to tell you that I am getting pretty tired of people criticizing a product that they HAVEN'T bought and therefore haven't used. I would be nice if we could have some reviews of the product from people who have actually used the product and therefore can speak from experience and we can then make an educated decision. I know there are lots of crap products out there, and I have bought several. But I also know that I can ask for my money back if it turns out to be a product that doesn’t live up to its advertising. So, besides Anik, is there anyone who has used this product and believes it’s worthwhile to buy?
      There were several reviews of actual users, if you bothered to read.

      The reviews turn negative because of the total disconnect between the marketing and the reality of the product -- that makes the product a scam because it does not meet the promise. See this definition:

      Scam | Define Scam at Dictionary.com

      It is also potentially illegal and will bring down the industry as a whole, but that's no concern for these quick-buck scam artists. Anyone promoting this, whether excusing the scam or not, is themselves part of the scam.

      I have a question for Anik: if the product is great, do you think the complete BS of the sales letter is really needed? I'll tell you straight out why it's there -- it is to separate more people from their hard earned dollars. A straight up description of the product would not sell as many copies. That's why the whole thing, from the first letter of the email you wrote to the last byte of the program itself is a confidence game. Doesn't matter whether parts of it are good, the whole thing A to Z is tainted.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post


        It is also potentially illegal and will bring down the industry as a whole

        BOOM!

        that's exactly it!

        hell, it only took like 4 launches for Plimus to not allow anymore "make money products" to be launched with them as the processor.

        It won't be long before the length of the disclosures on our site will be longer than any content we've written.

        But, I digress...I've got to get back to writing the copy for my next product...

        HOW A ONE BALLED EX-PIMP LEFT HIS BITCHES IN THE DUST AND NOW SLAPS THE BEJEEZUS OUT OF THE ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR WITH 3 EASY PUMPS...ERRRR I MEAN CLICKS
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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    Jeremy Kelsall,

    I totally see where you are coming from when you say about the sales page matching up with the product but I think that you would have too agree that if someone were new too internet marketing and bought Chronic Commissions and then went and paid $1 for a Aweber trial, and then drive traffic by both Article Marketing, Social Media Marketing, and possibly with their solo ads etc. there is a good chance that they could easily start building a list of buyers and quite possibly make some affiliate sales too pay for their investment in the product.

    The fact is there is never going to be a product that will make anyone thousands of dollars especially a software etc. that is going to be priced at $47, $37, etc.

    But I really do believe that someone who gets this and doesn't want to set up a blog or get hosting could make several sales with this product! You and I are looking at it from different perspectives I think you are more focused on whether the product matches the sales page and I am more concerned whether or not it is worth the price they are charging and in this case I feel it is.

    However, before I send my list too a sales page like Chronic Commissions I also let them know what the product consist of. I would hope that most people understand that you are not going to make THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS with just about any internet marketing product at least not in 23 days or something along those lines like most claim to do!


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    • Profile picture of the author AnikSingal
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      Jeremy Kelsall,

      However, before I send my list too a sales page like Chronic Commissions I also let them know what the product consist of. I would hope that most people understand that you are not going to make THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS with just about any internet marketing product at least not in 23 days or something along those lines like most claim to do!


      Tim

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      Kudos Tim- nicely explained - and THAT is exactly what I did with my people, told them what it is and it's over hyped.. But the end product is good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      Jeremy Kelsall,

      I totally see where you are coming from when you say about the sales page matching up with the product but I think that you would have too agree that if someone were new too internet marketing and bought Chronic Commissions and then went and paid $1 for a Aweber trial, and then drive traffic by both Article Marketing, Social Media Marketing, and possibly with their solo ads etc. there is a good chance that they could easily start building a list of buyers and quite possibly make some affiliate sales too pay for their investment in the product.
      True enough...

      But, where is the secret that is promised?

      Where is the get rich in 5 clicks solution?

      This is business, not "theft by deception", Tim - Which is exactly what a lot of these guys do - They steal their customers money by making them think that they are getting something that they aren't...and then to add insult to injury, they offer the same explanation that you just did.

      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      The fact is there is never going to be a product that will make anyone thousands of dollars especially a software etc. that is going to be priced at $47, $37, etc.
      Then why does a certain group continue to say that THERE IS SUCH A THING...AND even more important, what person with any sort of business sense and ethics would continue to promote them?

      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      But I really do believe that someone who gets this and doesn't want to set up a blog or get hosting could make several sales with this product! You and I are looking at it from different perspectives I think you are more focused on whether the product matches the sales page and I am more concerned whether or not it is worth the price they are charging and in this case I feel it is.
      I'm focused on whether or not what I'm buying is what they are telling me that they are selling...and it isn't...from that point on, I don't need to consider anything else really.

      I guess I'm the kind of guy that figures if you'll take it deep with no vaseline on the front side, I don't even want to know what you'll do on the back-end....if you get what I'm saying
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      • Profile picture of the author tdj
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        True enough...

        I guess I'm the kind of guy that figures if you'll take it deep with no vaseline on the front side, I don't even want to know what you'll do on the back-end....if you get what I'm saying
        That's really funny Jeremy. LMAO! That's where the $12 comes in handy. Vaseline.
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        • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
          The big problem i see is that repeated launches like this lose clickbank credibility.

          surely CB must see the effect these launches are having to the reputation of the people involved?

          Interestingly CB took a big hit with the panda update.

          If you look at the traffic that went to them (which is the checkout pages) it nose dived, therefore their income must have taken a hit.

          Coincidence that there are more launches like this recently?

          I have several products on CB which i plan to remove and i won't be adding any more. I stand by the quality of my products but i don't want to be a victim of guilt by association... i.e only scammers use CB
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        • Profile picture of the author dark witness
          Someone offered me a really cool Alienware Laptop and told me it had a specially developed CPU that was the next generation of computer AI.

          With everything this laptop could do it should sell for at least 5k... but he was going to sell me this one for $500 out of the kindness of his heart because I really really needed a new laptop.

          What a deal !!!

          I handed him the 500, took the box and off he went. Opened up the box and there it was.. a little Samsung notebook with an Atom CPU I could have bought for $250

          The next time someone offers me a super top of the line laptop in a box, how do you think I am going to feel? I doubt I will be overflowing with positive energy that's for sure!

          Same thing with these clickbank launches. I have got to the point where I see the sales page/video.. have a really good hard laugh and move along. Nothing more then a bad joke. It's just sad that people new to IM will fall for it.

          looking at it now I wonder how anyone ever could, but once upon a time I was new and I fell for them.
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      • Profile picture of the author NetAffiliate
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        True enough...

        But, where is the secret that is promised?

        Where is the get rich in 5 clicks solution?

        This is business, not "theft by deception", Tim - Which is exactly what a lot of these guys do - They steal their customers money by making them think that they are getting something that they aren't...and then to add insult to injury, they offer the same explanation that you just did.



        Then why does a certain group continue to say that THERE IS SUCH A THING...AND even more important, what person with any sort of business sense and ethics would continue to promote them?



        I'm focused on whether or not what I'm buying is what they are telling me that they are selling...and it isn't...from that point on, I don't need to consider anything else really.

        I guess I'm the kind of guy that figures if you'll take it deep with no vaseline on the front side, I don't even want to know what you'll do on the back-end....if you get what I'm saying
        This is why i'm on Jeremy Kelsall's list. He's a straight up guy, honest and never emails his list only to make a quick buck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post

      Jeremy Kelsall,

      ...

      The fact is there is never going to be a product that will make anyone thousands of dollars especially a software etc. that is going to be priced at $47, $37, etc.

      ...

      Tim
      Wait lets see what you're saying -- "Hey I'm not responsible if they are lying, this is a really great squeeze page generator and a list of my buddies who will gladly take your money and send a totally overpriced & worthless solo."

      Sounds to me like the only thing you're doing is covering your ass in case the FTC cracks down on this specific product. It's potentially an illegal conspiracy to defraud. Here's the definition of conspiracy:

      Conspiracy | Define Conspiracy at Dictionary.com

      If the glove fits... Just saying

      By the way, this won't help you one bit. If the FTC finds that the product is a fraud then everyone who profits is colluding.

      Now as things go, there's been much worse than this product. This is pretty tame.
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  • Profile picture of the author James_Harkin
    If 10,000 people buy this product and send JV offers and paid ads through 20 marketers with large lists, a lot of people on lists are going to be flooded with ads or a lot of those 10,000 will be disappointed. So I don't know the benefits to the purchaser, a $27 investment + hundreds more to enable potential a return. I don't like these blind promotions where you don't exactly know what you are going to get when you buy and have to rely on reviews, most of which are unfavourable before you can see if the product is of value to you...

    Regarding lists of marketers, I have a list of 1,250 of the top marketers in the world, all contact and social media details not just emails, who I can call upon to review a product and promote it to their customer list. This list is growing every day. However, with them they prefer JV promotions and only go for products that are of good quality that will convert to their list. I pick a handful of those I know have promoted to a niche market that I am working in and offer them the opportunity, I don't just blanket promote across all 1,250 because that would annoy those being offered a tennis promotion if they are in a golf niche.

    At least with such a large list of potential JV partners your product or service would get in front of a targeted list and that's like Christmas to any niche marketer.

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  • Profile picture of the author ZNICK
    How anyone can say that "the product should get you a few sales, so the "story" doesn't matter" needs to do some real soul searching...

    The guy shows you 5-6 times a page showing $26,400 (ish) dollars that "this product made me in the last 30 days". Yeah... maybe the pre-launch to your buddies brought that in, but there's not a chance in hell "using" it will.

    I have lost total respect for a few "gurus" I have held VERY highly before this thread.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
      Originally Posted by ZNICK View Post

      How anyone can say that "the product should get you a few sales, so the "story" doesn't matter" needs to do some real soul searching...

      The guy shows you 5-6 times a page showing $26,400 (ish) dollars that "this product made me in the last 30 days". Yeah... maybe the pre-launch to your buddies brought that in, but there's not a chance in hell "using" it will.

      I have lost total respect for a few "gurus" I have held VERY highly before this thread.

      Z

      LOL- sure you could make 26,400 in a day with this program. It might cost you some money to get there.. but i'd imagine if you got the program, used their squeeze pages to either build a list or mail offers- hit all the solo ads, spent a few bucks there, you could easily profit that.

      THAT doesn't mean, you would NET profit that ammount- but your gross profit sure could.

      To me it comes back to the "it takes money to make money." I've build my lists using solo ads as well, it works, it's not as "great leads" but if you gain their trust, it can be!

      Just my 2 cents...
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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    To be honest I feel most internet marketers at least your average internet marketer will most likely make more money with this product than they would with most others simple because your average IM does not or will not be willing too put in very much work or if any at all.

    At least with Chronic Commissions it is very easy to use and because of it's simplicity, most newbie IM people will get more accomplished rather than getting discouraged by reading another ebook on how too setup a Wordpress site and then get it ranking etc.

    If a newbie buys this and starts building a list with it they are going to be well on their way too making some good money in the internet marketing business.


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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    I think my problem is not the product itself, as it seems decent, BUT the fact that the sales letter is a flat out LIE in order to sell the product. It's pretty much somebody selling me a Porsche and delivering a VW instead. Yes, it's going to work - but it's going to cost me A-LOT more money to get what was promised to me in the sales pitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      I think my problem is not the product itself, as it seems decent, BUT the fact that the sales letter is a flat out LIE in order to sell the product. It's pretty much somebody selling me a Porsche and delivering a VW instead. Yes, it's going to work - but it's going to cost me A-LOT more money to get what was promised to me in the sales pitch.

      But doesn't VW own Porsche...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
    So I read this whole thread and I just wanted to put in my 2 cents..

    When will people realize.. a $27, $37, $47.. $77.. or even a $197 product WILL not make you rich overnight nor will it make you $92,214 in 30 days yadda yadda.

    And even the $1500 dollar products or $5000 dollar products won't do it.

    What they do is guide you, yes some or crapier than others, and the sales messages are quite.. unethical sometimes, but a collection of a few good cheaper products have made me a few bucks online..

    But at the end of the day, it's all about the list in my opinion and finding a program that helps you build a list- even if it's solo ads is not bad in my opinion.

    One thing I must say.. KUDOS to the copywriter on this product, wow does it hit ALL the triggers and, a great "story" and does a fantastic job in convincing you to buy!
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    • Profile picture of the author RickGueli
      You need not scratch the surface of the story to realize it's full of ****.

      He tells you he had practically no money down whatsoever. Aside from an eventual $12. But then he went on to churn 100s of these campaigns just to see what happens, with the added caveat that:

      "One big catch can be a $5 per day... Another can be $500

      But every opportunity is worth something. The APP makes sure of that..
      One wonders where he got the money to set up these 100s of campaigns before he ended up with $100,000+ within a few weeks on his first try.

      Hype is fine with me. Hey, you got to sell the sizzle. What bothers me is that the author of the letter genuinely seems to think the readers are idiots.

      It's insulting.

      Anik, it's not the hype of the letter that you need to worry about. It's the fact that your email subscribers intelligences is being blatantly insulted. I've always known you to be a very capable business man, and a good one always looks after his own.

      Just saying man.

      All my best.

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    • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
      Originally Posted by Jimspeed View Post

      One thing I must say.. KUDOS to the copywriter on this product, wow does it hit ALL the triggers and, a great "story" and does a fantastic job in convincing you to buy!
      Are you fkng serious?

      Just curious as to why you put the word story in quotation marks?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
        Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

        Are you fkng serious?

        Just curious as to why you put the word story in quotation marks?
        Why are you so angry? Yes I'm serious. I do copy sometimes and found the copy very well written/spoken.

        Yes it's full of lies and hype, but the actual triggers it hits is good.

        And i say "story" because it's not real, it's a fictional story... or did you believe it was a real story?
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        • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
          Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

          It's really easy to figure out:
          ah man, see there... you are so angry.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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            Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

            ah man, see there... you are so angry.

            Haha - says the guy with THIS reaction to somebody putting "story" in quotes.
            Originally Posted by DonDavis
            Are you fkng serious?

            Just curious as to why you put the word story in quotation marks?
            Call the kettle black much, Don? :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author RickGueli
    With some of these late launches, I am thinking of going for the whole shebang. I mean seriously, the product, the upsells etc. And coming back with an honest-to-goodness review of just how much money I made.

    I am a product owner in some extremely in-demand niches, so it can't be that hard.

    In any case, stay tuned

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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    Michael Cheney just put out an interesting video in regards to push button softwares it is Titled,

    Hard Decisions: michaelcheney.com/harddecision/ (obviously no affiliate link)

    Very interesting though!

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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    CB will either be making some big changes soon or it will be going out of business. If Amazon can make big changes, If Google can make big changes, If the Warrior Forum can make big changes to protect their own interests then so can CB. They need to. No more money making softwares. No more products claiming to make you big money at the click of a button. The more BS stories pushing products. No more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Shelton
    "Honest 5 clicks of your mouse" (quote from the video) - bottom line to me is the question: Would you show this to someone in your family as a way to make money? Really?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fladlien
      I'm with Jeremy. While I understand that Anik is saying he promoted because he liked the product in spite of the outright hypey (and illegal!) sales letter...

      What Anik is really doing is endorsing such behavior as acceptable... i.e. it's ok to blatantly outright lie to people as long as the product on the end is good.

      I don't dig that.

      It has nothing to do with "negative energy" either
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
        Originally Posted by Jason Fladlien View Post

        I'm with Jeremy. While I understand that Anik is saying he promoted because he liked the product in spite of the outright hypey (and illegal!) sales letter...

        What Anik is really doing is endorsing such behavior as acceptable... i.e. it's ok to blatantly outright lie to people as long as the product on the end is good.

        I don't dig that.

        It has nothing to do with "negative energy" either
        This is a great post Jason-thanks for being a voice for decent, honest marketing. What used to be called lying is apparently now called "Hypey", and people who point out that it's wrong to lie in your sales pitch are "negative", while those who promote fraudulently marketed products are "positive".

        Thanks for being an upstanding marketer in an upside down, as* backwards industry, where people are praised for doing a good job of building up a product-with lies.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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      Originally Posted by Amadeus47 View Post

      "RECRIPROCATION. Winter & Corey are very loyal and always show support for their partners."

      This is from the "Affiliates" link at the very bottom of the sales page...below the "FTC Disclaimer..." (imsafelink.com/ChronComm-infusion)

      As a lurker for some time observing (and buying a few products contributing to making the 'guru' into a 'millionaire' with 'a few simple clicks' into my bank account) I am constantly reminded of the quote attributed to P.T. Barnum "There's a sucker born every minute."

      Here is a little more from the 'Affiliates' page that might be illuminating:

      "The Angle:
      Our Copywriter is NOTORIOUS and writes seductive, compelling
      copy that your customers will LOVE to buy from. The angle is one that we haven't seen used yet, but will resonate deeply with your audience and is sure to be MONSTER CONVERTER."

      Further down...

      "What's in it for you to promote?

      Awesome, never before seen or offered JV prizes

      AMAZING EPC's!

      Your offers built into their system so their customers
      can promote for you and you get ongoing sales for FREE.
      (get on the JV list and hit us up to arrange that)

      RECRIPROCATION. Winter & Corey are very loyal and always show support for their partners.

      Some SUPER SICK Prizes! (we know what you like!)"

      And, the list of promoters (although perhaps not all are promoting this product. My introduction to this came from Bill Mcrea from whose list I am UN-subscribing):

      "Who's already on board? (No Particular order)

      Adeel Chowdry, Jani G, Alex Malave, Joey Kissimmee, Tim Bekker, Adam Horowitz & Tim Donovan, Huey Lee & Rasheed Ali, Chris Moran, Dan Brock, Bill Mcrea, Paul & Antonio, Travis Stephenson, Jamie Lewis, Phil Springer, Steven Johnson, Socrates Socratous, Sean Clark, Shawn Casey & Tom Bell, Andrew X, Anik Singal & Jimmy Kim, Nick Marks, Aaron Darko, Matt Marcus, Charles & Philip Mutrie, Todd Gross, Blake Barrett, Greg Wood, "

      The WF is a great trove of information about the good, bad, and the ugly in the many 'slick' and not so slick promotions...many of which are designed to separate the unsuspecting from their hard earned cash for little in return.
      HAHAHAHA.......no wonder ANIK SINGAL is giving it a good review, he is on the bludy affiliates list promoting it!!!! on the leaderboard yet mate?

      and we all know about JANI G and his FREE FACEBOOK ADS dont we!

      And the Local Monopoly Guys.....shame.

      All i gotta say is it really is a "i scratch your back, you scratch mine mentality", granted there are a few good guys that are the real deal....frank kern springs to mind but really it's a joke......i've become immune to all these hyped up launches....

      if people really really want to make money then do this....

      1. find a niche
      2.find a product for that niche to sell
      3.create website, seo, sales copy etc
      4.drive traffic

      rinse and repeat

      .........sure there's automation software(hell i use senuke x amongst others) that will help with the process but to find a software that does all at the push of a button? STOP DREAMING.......

      Anyway, just my 2 cents and a dime.....sorry my £0.50pence.......
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    Angry? Not angry at all. Like so many others, I get sick of the fraud which is going to eventually make it very difficult for the rest of us.

    It's also hard for me to understand how somebody can call it just a good story, when it is outright fraud. That is not copyrighting, marketing or story telling. That is fraud.

    What don't you understand about that?
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    In my comment to you, I was joking dude...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      In my comment to you, I was joking dude...
      Hard to tell in chat/message boards sometimes....i'm a big believer of OVER-USING smiley faces for that reason, easier to set the tone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Barton
    Have to admit the video was at least entertaining. Story telling has always been the best way to sell, so that's nothing new. Sadly what we are getting now isn't just story telling, it's blatant lying.

    The helpful thing about these promotions is the list of people you know to unsubscribe from or avoid in the future!
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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    I am starting to understand why some of the "trusted" names in IM are promoting this product to their lists. Look at the stats from CB:

    Chronic Commissions - Massive EPC's Up to $324 per customer!

    Chronic Commissions just launched & in less than 12 hrs has already done over 6 figures Gross. Top Affiliates are seeing $2 - $4 EPC's Massive Jv Contest & Tools at: Chronic Comissions Mail Now this offer is Hot!
    Avg $/sale

    $51.46


    Stats: Initial $/sale: $51.05 | Avg %/sale: 59.0% | Avg Rebill Total: $75.97 | Avg %/rebill: 60.0% | Grav: 257.01
    Cat: E-business & E-marketing : General
    With such high gravity I can see why Adam Short and others have chosen to promote it. That's one of the things Adam teaches others to look for when picking a product from ClickBank. High Gravity. If I remember something over 7 is good. This is at 257... which is very high.

    What it means is there are a lot of people buying this. I can hardly believe that but what I think it shows is how desperate people are getting out there with unemployment rising, job security at an all time low in many countries, and the financial systems of whole countries now in crisis. Products like this are going to increase for sure (unfortunately) as people become more desperate. Even when the sales letters and videos are so over the top, blatantly untrue, and manipulative, people are still going to buy because of that desperation factor. They just become blind to all the flashing red lights and ignore common sense.

    Does CB also show the number of refunds being made on any particular product? I'd love to see those stats too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael_Le
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      Originally Posted by gforces View Post

      I am starting to understand why some of the "trusted" names in IM are promoting this product to their lists. Look at the stats from CB:

      Chronic Commissions - Massive EPC's Up to $324 per customer!

      Chronic Commissions just launched & in less than 12 hrs has already done over 6 figures Gross. Top Affiliates are seeing $2 - $4 EPC's Massive Jv Contest & Tools at: Chronic Comissions Mail Now this offer is Hot!
      Avg $/sale

      $51.46


      Stats: Initial $/sale: $51.05 | Avg %/sale: 59.0% | Avg Rebill Total: $75.97 | Avg %/rebill: 60.0% | Grav: 257.01
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      With such high gravity I can see why Adam Short and others have chosen to promote it. That's one of the things Adam teaches others to look for when picking a product from ClickBank. High Gravity. If I remember something over 7 is good. This is at 257... which is very high.

      What it means is there are a lot of people buying this. I can hardly believe that but what I think it shows is how desperate people are getting out there with unemployment rising, job security at an all time low in many countries, and the financial systems of whole countries now in crisis. Products like this are going to increase for sure (unfortunately) as people become more desperate. Even when the sales letters and videos are so over the top, blatantly untrue, and manipulative, people are still going to buy because of that desperation factor. They just become blind to all the flashing red lights and ignore common sense.

      Does CB also show the number of refunds being made on any particular product? I'd love to see those stats too.

      problem is that for most newbie marketers they aint immune to all the b*&#t! and hype yet, whereas us guys can see through the hype straight away hence we would moan and critique it while the noobs will just pull their wallets out. You have to remember, the sales copy are aimed mostly at noobs, people that aren't making money, new into IM or just lost a job etc, if it was aimed at us experienced guys do you think they would sell?one or 2 maybe just to see wassup but then it would be refunded.

      Like I said, it's a you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours mentality and i aint surprised to see the same old names on every launch, damm i would be more surprised if i didnt see those so called GURU's names on the launches.

      Either way IM is a dog eat dog world, and it's cos of these ridiculous so called push button softwares that gives IM a bad name. money makes the world go round and sadly for most people morals get thrown out the window all for that extra 000's on their clickbank stats.
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    • Profile picture of the author todd11
      Originally Posted by rana.zahid View Post

      i don.t think choronic commission will work it is like a wasteful material and i am going to refund it . i would like to pay thanks clickbank that it has provided a great way to examine such scam offer
      This is far from true. This is an incredibly good product behind what I thnk is an incredibly stupid sales video. I'm a known Internet Marketing "Hater" of that sales video, and yet I'm inside the product right now, and it is the traffic source alone (hand picked solo ad suppliers) is more valuable as a traffic source than anything I've ever seen before. The automation will work if and only if somebody buys the solo ads. BUT, if I were starting from scratch all over in Internet Marketing.. this is THE WAY that I would do it. I would turn around into a powerfull affiliate in weeks using their traffic section. I use these guys myself, but never have i seen them all in one place before (the solo-ad providers)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    This seems like it could be a decent product, I'm just pissed the sales letter is so full of lies. I'm tempted to buy it just so I can test out their email lists for traffic to see what happens.

    Anik obviously didnt' try that out, he just wanted to show his own list how much of an awesome product it is because he's 'seen the inside'. Has anybody ELSE bought it yet and sent out a blast to one of the lists they make available? (Basically, is anybody using it's full potential)?


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    • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      This seems like it could be a decent product, I'm just pissed the sales letter is so full of lies. I'm tempted to buy it just so I can test out their email lists for traffic to see what happens.

      Anik obviously didnt' try that out, he just wanted to show his own list how much of an awesome product it is because he's 'seen the inside'. Has anybody ELSE bought it yet and sent out a blast to one of the lists they make available? (Basically, is anybody using it's full potential)?


      Jeff
      Hey Jeff,

      I do appreciate he actually does LOOK inside the product. You know many of those emails you get daily don't even look at the product before promoting it?

      I actually have been playing with the product. I didn't use the solo ads but i tested it with a small portion of my list to try test traffic (400-500 clicks) on a squeeze page with one of the free report giveaways (PLR). I'm currently tested at 48% conversion which is pretty good!

      So, at least for the list building aspect the squeeze pages work.

      I did not try the solo ad side yet, but I'm tempted as I knew some of these guys already (the solo ad sellers) but a few ones I've never met. There is even one that allows me to buy from 1.3 MILLION to 4 Million on list size.. insane..

      I'd almost be willing to spend the money on a bigger one just for that traffic... LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by Jimspeed View Post

        Hey Jeff,

        I do appreciate he actually does LOOK inside the product. You know many of those emails you get daily don't even look at the product before promoting it?

        I actually have been playing with the product. I didn't use the solo ads but i tested it with a small portion of my list to try test traffic (400-500 clicks) on a squeeze page with one of the free report giveaways (PLR). I'm currently tested at 48% conversion which is pretty good!

        So, at least for the list building aspect the squeeze pages work.

        I did not try the solo ad side yet, but I'm tempted as I knew some of these guys already (the solo ad sellers) but a few ones I've never met. There is even one that allows me to buy from 1.3 MILLION to 4 Million on list size.. insane..

        I'd almost be willing to spend the money on a bigger one just for that traffic... LOL
        Hey Jim, 48% buying the product you mean, or just clicking through from the email once opened. I assume you mean clicks, but just making sure. :-)

        I may have to give this a go yet, what are the rates for the mailings? 1-4 million is amazing - but that's got to cost a pretty penny lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
          Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

          Hey Jim, 48% buying the product you mean, or just clicking through from the email once opened. I assume you mean clicks, but just making sure. :-)

          I may have to give this a go yet, what are the rates for the mailings? 1-4 million is amazing - but that's got to cost a pretty penny lol
          48% optining in on the optin page with the giveaway. I made sure the product was good enough for the segment of my list and sent away.

          1-4 million one cost a pretty penny.. .each one is different but i see this

          $1-$1.5 per thousand on one..
          $15 per thousand
          $2500
          or more.. LOL

          not cheap but. you know what they say.. you GET what you pay for
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  • Profile picture of the author ZNICK
    I was looking at this one, but why pay to promote (what I'm sure is) 6 of the sellers other products? (or his buddies)

    My main niche is real estate investing anyway, lol... but I REALLY would prefer to make big money with affiliate products so I'm not as limited to where I can work/live.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Alright, so now you guys have all tempted me. I'm going to pick this up either today or tomorrow and do a full on video review. I'll either purchase a blast for the squeeze page, or just test it with my own list.

    Stay tuned, should hopefully have it done and up before friday night is over. : ) (Going to Vegas Saturday, so i've got no choice haha)
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    • Profile picture of the author ysckyler
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      Alright, so now you guys have all tempted me. I'm going to pick this up either today or tomorrow and do a full on video review. I'll either purchase a blast for the squeeze page, or just test it with my own list.

      Stay tuned, should hopefully have it done and up before friday night is over. : ) (Going to Vegas Saturday, so i've got no choice haha)

      Looking forward for your reviews!!!!

      Well when you hit it big time, why not buy a big kahuna island like Caleb and sponser your own music event, i promise i will be the first one on the plane to support you!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Brock
      I don't know about you all...

      But I'd gladly pay $50 for an opt in page that converts at 48% on solo ad traffic.

      As for the way the letter is written...

      It's what people want, and the results from this launch are yet another prime example of that being true.

      Everyone here slamming this product are NOT the targeted audience for this offer.

      The audience this letter is written for does not respond to WSO style copy. They don't respond to "this is what you get" style copy. They respond to hype, and the marketers of this product are giving them exactly what they want.

      I always believed it was the marketer's fault for hyping up these products, but now that I've seen clearly what works and what doesn't work, I wouldn't say the marketers are to blame (if there is even a need to blame anyone at all). They are simply giving the customer what they want. And no, I'm not blaming the customer at all. It's just what it is....

      The customer wants the entertainment in these letters, the marketer gives it to them.

      Sure, you could argue that the hype destroys customer expectations over time, but that does not change the fact that you need that hype to sell the product to the audience this product is being marketed to.

      ...and I know for a fact the marketers of this product actually do what they are selling and they are very successful at it.

      I also know that a lot of the story in the sales letter is also fairly accurate, just told from a character mouthpiece.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by ysckyler View Post

        Looking forward for your reviews!!!!

        Well when you hit it big time, why not buy a big kahuna island like Caleb and sponser your own music event, i promise i will be the first one on the plane to support you!!!
        LMAO For Sure man - I shall Call it....JEFF-FEST!

        I know I know, it's not as cool as Oz Fest - but i'm not very creative - hahaha.

        Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

        I don't know about you all...

        But I'd gladly pay $50 for an opt in page that converts at 48% on solo ad traffic.

        As for the way the letter is written...

        It's what people want, and the results from this launch are yet another prime example of that being true.

        Everyone here slamming this product are NOT the targeted audience for this offer.

        The audience this letter is written for does not respond to WSO style copy. They don't respond to "this is what you get" style copy. They respond to hype, and the marketers of this product are giving them exactly what they want.

        I always believed it was the marketer's fault for hyping up these products, but now that I've seen clearly what works and what doesn't work, I wouldn't say the marketers are to blame (if there is even a need to blame anyone at all). They are simply giving the customer what they want. And no, I'm not blaming the customer at all. It's just what it is....

        The customer wants the entertainment in these letters, the marketer gives it to them.

        Sure, you could argue that the hype destroys customer expectations over time, but that does not change the fact that you need that hype to sell the product to the audience this product is being marketed to.

        ...and I know for a fact the marketers of this product actually do what they are selling and they are very successful at it.

        I also know that a lot of the story in the sales letter is also fairly accurate, just told from a character mouthpiece.
        Nicely said, but I still don't care for this style of sales letter though, as it's a bit on the misleading side and many people buy the product assuming they'll get rich over night.

        HOWEVER - Having said that, that 48% rate is pretty decent and the product and method DO seem to deliver once you get past the hype- so I'm going to give this a shot and see how it goes.

        BTW - accept my friend request on skype Dan! lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Archimedes
        Hmmm. I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head here, Daniel. It's just like drug trafficking... it exists because there is a DEMAND for the products and the drug traffickers are FILLING an existing NEED in the MARKETPLACE. The same applies for IM marketers selling to the NOOBs. All that said and done, when you add CONSCIENCE and MORALITY to the equation, then you have a dividing line between those who actually care about providing a worthwhile product that the enduser can benefit from and the marketer as well... and those who just don't give a SH*T as long as they rake in money.

        Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

        I don't know about you all...

        But I'd gladly pay $50 for an opt in page that converts at 48% on solo ad traffic.

        As for the way the letter is written...

        It's what people want, and the results from this launch are yet another prime example of that being true.

        Everyone here slamming this product are NOT the targeted audience for this offer.

        The audience this letter is written for does not respond to WSO style copy. They don't respond to "this is what you get" style copy. They respond to hype, and the marketers of this product are giving them exactly what they want.

        I always believed it was the marketer's fault for hyping up these products, but now that I've seen clearly what works and what doesn't work, I wouldn't say the marketers are to blame (if there is even a need to blame anyone at all). They are simply giving the customer what they want. And no, I'm not blaming the customer at all. It's just what it is....

        The customer wants the entertainment in these letters, the marketer gives it to them.

        Sure, you could argue that the hype destroys customer expectations over time, but that does not change the fact that you need that hype to sell the product to the audience this product is being marketed to.

        ...and I know for a fact the marketers of this product actually do what they are selling and they are very successful at it.

        I also know that a lot of the story in the sales letter is also fairly accurate, just told from a character mouthpiece.
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        • Profile picture of the author Black Hat Cat
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          Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post

          Hmmm. I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head here, Daniel. It's just like drug trafficking... it exists because there is a DEMAND for the products and the drug traffickers are FILLING an existing NEED in the MARKETPLACE.
          One huge, mega difference....drug dealers actually deliver what they say they are selling(most of the time). They don't sell you a bag of weed, and then you get home and find out it's a bag of crabgrass.


          The same applies for IM marketers selling to the NOOBs.
          I really wish people would stop using this stupid analogy. There's not a noob(or veteran) on the planet demanding that you lie to them in sales copy, and then deliver something completely different from what you said they would be getting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Miss_McCoy
        Id have to agree the story was quite Entertaining If the customer doesn't like the product they also have the right to a refund

        Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

        I don't know about you all...

        But I'd gladly pay $50 for an opt in page that converts at 48% on solo ad traffic.

        As for the way the letter is written...

        It's what people want, and the results from this launch are yet another prime example of that being true.

        Everyone here slamming this product are NOT the targeted audience for this offer.

        The audience this letter is written for does not respond to WSO style copy. They don't respond to "this is what you get" style copy. They respond to hype, and the marketers of this product are giving them exactly what they want.

        I always believed it was the marketer's fault for hyping up these products, but now that I've seen clearly what works and what doesn't work, I wouldn't say the marketers are to blame (if there is even a need to blame anyone at all). They are simply giving the customer what they want. And no, I'm not blaming the customer at all. It's just what it is....

        The customer wants the entertainment in these letters, the marketer gives it to them.

        Sure, you could argue that the hype destroys customer expectations over time, but that does not change the fact that you need that hype to sell the product to the audience this product is being marketed to.

        ...and I know for a fact the marketers of this product actually do what they are selling and they are very successful at it.

        I also know that a lot of the story in the sales letter is also fairly accurate, just told from a character mouthpiece.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
        Originally Posted by Daniel Brock View Post

        I don't know about you all...

        But I'd gladly pay $50 for an opt in page that converts at 48% on solo ad traffic.

        As for the way the letter is written...

        It's what people want, and the results from this launch are yet another prime example of that being true.

        Everyone here slamming this product are NOT the targeted audience for this offer.

        The audience this letter is written for does not respond to WSO style copy. They don't respond to "this is what you get" style copy. They respond to hype, and the marketers of this product are giving them exactly what they want.

        I always believed it was the marketer's fault for hyping up these products, but now that I've seen clearly what works and what doesn't work, I wouldn't say the marketers are to blame (if there is even a need to blame anyone at all). They are simply giving the customer what they want. And no, I'm not blaming the customer at all. It's just what it is....

        The customer wants the entertainment in these letters, the marketer gives it to them.

        Sure, you could argue that the hype destroys customer expectations over time, but that does not change the fact that you need that hype to sell the product to the audience this product is being marketed to.

        ...and I know for a fact the marketers of this product actually do what they are selling and they are very successful at it.

        I also know that a lot of the story in the sales letter is also fairly accurate, just told from a character mouthpiece.
        :rolleyes:

        First off, we know you're on the affiliate list for the product, so get off your sanctimonious high-horse; nobody is buying it.

        Second, the sales letter, video, and all of the copy is outright fraud. That's it, that's all. There is no debate there. You say "We need to hype the customer up!" but that is just a way of saying "We need to lie to our customers to get them to buy". What people respond to doesn't matter if you DON'T DELIVER IT.

        Third, this is why I unsubscribed to your list a while ago Dan. Being constantly bombarded by offers for crap products day after day is quite annoying (and your product's copy had me convinced you were a "deadbeat" who was too lazy to get off the couch to punch out some emails, where'd you find the energy? :rolleyes

        Lastly, this is EXACTLY why I love the WF review section; because with so many people trying to squeeze out the last bit of cash from their lists at every chance, and more and more outright fraud being committed exactly like this, we NEED this section.

        I'm glad so many people in this thread were proud to call out these sham artists on their blatant lies.
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  • Profile picture of the author adaum
    "I also know that a lot of the story in the sales letter is also fairly accurate, just told from a character mouthpiece."

    Wow... I wasn't going to comment, but I can't help myself.

    So, if told from a 'character mouthpiece' perspective - you only have to be somewhat accurate?

    I get it now... that's where I've been going wrong all these years. I thought you had to tell the truth - regardless of the perspective.

    I did not see any disclosures - was there something on the site that stated some of the 'sales pitch' was was B.S.? In like not true?

    And before any 'defenders' jump on - I'm not the one who said it was not a totally true story - someone who stated they know the Marketers did.

    And the part about the bank calling Caleb on the phone - offering him a half a mil credit line - to a guy who according to the story recently opened the bank account - had 12 bucks in it at most until he amassed $120K in a few weeks or a month - now they call him on the phone, ask him to come in and offer him half a mil line of credit.

    Wow... clear to me now why we had that financial/banking system meltdown a few years back.

    But... if you buy this and make 100K+ after 5 clicks of the mouse - forget that, being we know part of the story is made up - lets say you have to click 50 times and you only make $500 - please, I beg of you - contact me so I can buy it too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Ugh, so this product is pretty cool so far and I was being quite the a-hole earlier without actually checking it out much. I'll admit, I'm still not a huge fan of the sales page style, but I"ve got to say - this thing makes some pretty kick arse squeeze pages.

    I'm going to test one of the pages soon with my OWN list and see how many i can get on a new list with just one email blast. A poster above said they were converting at 45% from the opens, which is quite good. I have to admit, This is potentially quite cool! Stay tuned!
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  • Profile picture of the author ysckyler
    The audience this letter is written for does not respond to WSO style copy. They don't respond to "this is what you get" style copy. They respond to hype, and the marketers of this product are giving them exactly what they want.

    I always believed it was the marketer's fault for hyping up these products, but now that I've seen clearly what works and what doesn't work, I wouldn't say the marketers are to blame (if there is even a need to blame anyone at all). They are simply giving the customer what they want. And no, I'm not blaming the customer at all. It's just what it is....

    The customer wants the entertainment in these letters, the marketer gives it to them.
    I guess some people like to be lie to, opps sorry my bad it call entertainment now right? to purchase a money making product. Some people do not like to be told up front what are they buying and just basically guess what behind the curtain. Or maybe that the "entertaiment value is so high" that the product must work.

    I guess I see your point Dan, that some people just love to buy because of "high entertainment value" and do not care about quality because those people like you said want "entertaiment" and not result. So in your own opinion, "entertaiment" is more important than result?

    The audience this letter is written for does not respond to WSO style copy. They don't respond to "this is what you get" style copy. They respond to hype, and the marketers of this product are giving them exactly what they want
    Geez, i thought people who purchase $$$ making product care about result more than than they care about "entertaiment" or "hype". So by your definition, some people dont respond to "this is what you get" aka Honesty but they only respond to hype or in your opinion entertaiment?:confused:

    Sure, you could argue that the hype destroys customer expectations over time, but that does not change the fact that you need that hype to sell the product to the audience this product is being marketed to.
    Now let talk about target audience, are you talking about experience IM / full time marketers or people who are completely new to IM industry?:confused:

    Wow, so base on the "entertaiment" on the Chronic Commisions sales page, the target audience is new to the IM industry. So to those who are new in the IM industry, you have deduce that this target audience prefer that the "this is what you get" style is not suitable for them, only the "hype" or "entartainment" can only get them to buy.

    So 5 clicks to own your own island or push button software to make money is the way to sell to this "target" of audience right? Because "HYPE" and "Entertaiment" is the only way to get to them to buy :p

    ...and I know for a fact the marketers of this product actually do what they are selling and they are very successful at it.
    Let face it, there alot of people who are plain lazy, greedy and naive to a fault, does it mean that we should promise them with such outlandish lie effort to get a quick buck? Opps sorry, it not a lie, it "Entertainment". Sorry slips of the finger there

    If that is so, why dont you jump in to the bandwagon instead of promoting this kind of "entertaiment" product. You can earn way more than promoting as affiliate. Or is there one in the making? I would love to see how many clicks before I can make money. Can you make it in 3?

    "Entertaiment" Marketers gives this type of customer what they want right? "Entertainment" How bout result? How about at least knowing what your paying for? People do not want know what they are getting as long as they get "entertain"? Are you implying that? :confused:

    So WSO style "this is what you get for" is for warrior only, and not to people who are new to IM, so people outside of warrior forum likes to be "entertain" or required "hype" to purchase anything is that right? :confused:

    Well I dont know about you Dan, i like to know what I am purchasing and getting into before i make a purchase. It because of clickbank refund policy, i dont mind once it awhile to check out a product, if i dont like it, i know i can get a refund.

    The IM niche is very strange, most product is only reveal after your paying for it in clickbank. Why is that? :confused: Oh yeah Dan like you say, people required "Entertainment" and "Hype" to buy. They do not need to know what the actual product does, because "Entertaiment" and "Hype" is all they need right? The bigger the "Entertaiment" and "Hype", the more "Trust Worthy" the product. Is that what your implying?:confused:

    Well, I believe in creating trust. There are many was to create hype, look at some of the WSO here, all are hype into a certain degree but at least they are honest and inform user what they are actually buying into.

    And still product owners are making a killing and build a strong base of loyal customer.

    I also know that a lot of the story in the sales letter is also fairly accurate, just told from a character mouthpiece.
    Wow, i could not believe you say that. What does "fairly accurate" mean to you? Exaggeration to the point of ridiculous is also "fairly accurate"? Wow, thanks for clarifying that.

    My opinion, we should not condone such marketing. It is wrong and bad for business for everyone. I do not need to point that out right?

    If we cannot stop these marketing, at least educate public about it. When i was starting out, i thought it was normal for this kind of marketing, until i join the warrior forum and get to know WSO Offer. I could avoid alot of refund and time by being able to make inform decision about a purchase.

    Look at Steve Claytons IMA, it hype but also informing user what to expect. Look at Mark Ling course, affilio blueprint and affilio jetpack, the sales letter clearly indicate what customer is about to get and it is also hype to a certain degree. Look at Profit Niche Classroom also in my opinion very good sales and hype marketing effort behind it. I am a happy customer thanks to you Dan in your email marketing for letting me find a place where to really learn how to make money online. I also bought another product through your email marketing effort, Easy Pay Check Formula which I am also very happy about it.

    Look at Mage Monster, is it hype? Yeah it is, but it also shows what customer is getting through honesty. Now all these are what I consider a proper way to market a product. In IM niche, i believe that educating people there is no "magic" software helps the industry rather than hinders it. It easier for you to market you own course in the future when people realize there is some amount of effort need to put into to make this work. It call a business for a reason.

    I hope i make a point in this post that proper marketing rather than these sleazy way of marketing helps everyone in the long run. Product Owner have a easier time to sell and customer are happy because they know what they are getting into. I believe for product owners that refund rate will go down if everyone play a part and be able to build a strong loyal base of customer.


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  • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
    I can sum this up in one sentence...

    Everyone has an opinion.

    You're free to like the copy, or to hate the copy, but the fact of the matter is, there are only two groups of people who matter in this debate... the customers, and the sellers. If both sides are happy, who cares what you think about the copy?

    -Gary Ambrose

    P.S. This is just like the "long" video debate... you can love them, or hate them, but honestly... who cares what you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    We need to care. If we are sellers we need to care. If we are customers we need to care. As human beings we need to care. It's because of the "who cares" attitude that the internet, the IM niche in particular, has been going down a long slipper slope for sometime now. It's time that changed don't you think? Or don't you care?
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Sorrell
      Originally Posted by gforces View Post

      We need to care. If we are sellers we need to care. If we are customers we need to care. As human beings we need to care. It's because of the "who cares" attitude that the internet, the IM niche in particular, has been going down a long slipper slope for sometime now. It's time that changed don't you think? Or don't you care?
      It will only change when products like this stop getting to No1 on Clickbank. Oh wait, it just did...
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      • Profile picture of the author gforces
        Originally Posted by Chris Sorrell View Post

        It will only change when products like this stop getting to No1 on Clickbank. Oh wait, it just did...
        Well isn't that interesting. How can a product get to #1 on ClickBank when they are only selling 150 copies.

        And I quote: "I needed to make sure that the tastiest opportunities go the 150 carma brought to me first. So only the first 150 to hit this page and jump in. They get in. And ONLY Them. After that... I go back to my life of chillin..."

        And how does it get a Gravity of over 250 when they are only selling 150? Actually I just checked again and it's gravity is a little over 406 now!

        Again, nothing adds up here does it.

        They say what they want. Do what they want. And nobody cares...
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        • Profile picture of the author Jimspeed
          Originally Posted by gforces View Post

          Well isn't that interesting. How can a product get to #1 on ClickBank when they are only selling 150 copies.

          And I quote: "I needed to make sure that the tastiest opportunities go the 150 carma brought to me first. So only the first 150 to hit this page and jump in. They get in. And ONLY Them. After that... I go back to my life of chillin..."

          And how does it get a Gravity of over 250 when they are only selling 150? Actually I just checked again and it's gravity is a little over 406 now!

          Again, nothing adds up here does it.

          They say what they want. Do what they want. And nobody cares...
          Were you just born yesterday?

          False Scarcity... it's well known tool of almost ALL marketers..

          - Limited time
          - Only xx left
          - Closing soon..
          - CLosed the doors but reopen for 24 hours... etc
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    • Profile picture of the author ysckyler
      Originally Posted by gforces View Post

      We need to care. If we are sellers we need to care. If we are customers we need to care. As human beings we need to care. It's because of the "who cares" attitude that the internet, the IM niche in particular, has been going down a long slipper slope for sometime now. It's time that changed don't you think? Or don't you care?
      "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
      - Edmond Burke

      I do agree with you there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    /\/\/\ Correct! The squeeze pages and sales copy are quite nice actually, i'm going to set up my first one (on video) today!

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Ok, I actually LIKE this product Chronic Commissions

    I still HATE the sales copy type and can't wait for the day when HONEST sales letters come back that tell you what you're going to get

    Having said that, it's a legit product - I hope this video gives some better insight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthonyblim
    I have been getting so many email on this product. and some comes from very very reputable IM trainers. But having so many products already, I decided to wait and see what people have to say here in warrior, and am I glad I waited. going to give this a pass as I am seeing more negative comments than Positive comments. Thanks all warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    So far it's been 9 hours since my first chonic campaign. I'm up $100 and it's using a list of 1500. Will update in the next few days as I'm sure more will come in. Also adding alot to my new list! This is something that's pretty cool. I'm going to pay for my first blast next week.
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    • Profile picture of the author onemorewarrior
      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      So far it's been 9 hours since my first chonic campaign. I'm up $100 and it's using a list of 1500. Will update in the next few days as I'm sure more will come in. Also adding alot to my new list! This is something that's pretty cool. I'm going to pay for my first blast next week.
      Hey Jeff
      Thanks for another great straight up honest review. How are you driving traffic if you havn't paid for the solo blasts yet. Is the 1500 list yours or someone elses.
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      • Profile picture of the author robfrancis
        Originally Posted by onemorewarrior View Post

        Hey Jeff
        Thanks for another great straight up honest review. How are you driving traffic if you havn't paid for the solo blasts yet. Is the 1500 list yours or someone elses.
        In the video Jeff states that he has a list of around 1600 or so that he has scheduled to send the email out to about 9am EST last Saturday. Although he does not have a big list they trust him and will probably generate a better interest than a cold solo-ad to someone else's list.

        I'm interested to see how his solo-ad turns out.
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        • Profile picture of the author onemorewarrior
          Originally Posted by robfrancis View Post

          In the video Jeff states that he has a list of around 1600 or so that he has scheduled to send the email out to about 9am EST last Saturday. Although he does not have a big list they trust him and will probably generate a better interest than a cold solo-ad to someone else's list.

          I'm interested to see how his solo-ad turns out.
          Thanks
          Guess I missed him say he was promoting to his existing list.
          Which brings up the point that in order for this to work you need to have a list which this product is supposed to build for you. Hence it doesn't make newbies money in a few hours it will take days or weeks.

          Which brings us back to the quickest way to make money is to spend money and use paid traffic methods.
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  • This is quite an interesting thread with all kinds of opinions and thoughts......

    I must say though, that for many of us, the "push button bring in 50k per week" solutions are starting to get a little old for many of us that are more seasoned.

    I understand writing entertaining copy, but.......there would probably be less backlash if the sales letters/videos were a bit less "blind copy" and let the buyer know more of what they are getting.

    After reading these honest reviews, I do feel more informed, having gotten all sides to the story.

    I think I will pass on this, but others may find the product a good fit for their business model.
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  • Profile picture of the author James_Harkin
    I suppose if you wanted to extend the opportunity past the 25 built-in solo mailers one could join Charlie Page's Directory of Ezines and scan through the list of ezines that offer solo mailings and are targeted at the market you are in

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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    THANK YOU Dan Brock, I have been saying all along that Chronic Commissions is a VERY GOOD product and despite it being a bit hype on the sales copy it will certainly get someone who is new to internet marketing a much better start than most other IM products.

    Glad to see some other Warriors gave it a shot and liked it as I said before I even gave a detailed review on it before sending people over too the sales page so even with the hype they would know EXACTLY what they are getting.

    I don't care what anyone says personal experience has taught me THE MONEY IS IN THE LIST! Even a small list will help you make more money than having no list at all then you factor in a good Squeeze Page and Solo Ads it is well worth the price they are charging and as Dan said it is a marketed towards a different crowd than the Warrior Forum which is something I think we all forget at times including myself actually Dan has reminded me of that more than once!
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    • Profile picture of the author M Thompson
      Originally Posted by TimNesbitt View Post


      I don't care what anyone says personal experience has taught me THE MONEY IS IN THE LIST! Even a small list will help you make more money

      The Money is in the RELATIONSHIP with your list not the list in itself.

      I've had several people do promotions for me recently some people with big lists converted at less that 0.01% some guys with small lists were converting at over 10% One was even running at over 20%

      Treat you list like you like to be treated and you won't go too wrong.

      The number of times i heard people say how mich they hate marketers who email them offers every few days and then as soon as they get a list they do the same thing...
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary_The_Ace
        Originally Posted by M Thompson View Post

        The Money is in the RELATIONSHIP with your list not the list in itself.

        I've had several people do promotions for me recently some people with big lists converted at less that 0.01% some guys with small lists were converting at over 10% One was even running at over 20%

        Treat you list like you like to be treated and you won't go too wrong.

        The number of times i heard people say how mich they hate marketers who email them offers every few days and then as soon as they get a list they do the same thing...
        Well, that can be true, but it's not necessarily true...

        If you put a targeted offer, in front of a list that fits the target, you can easily make a ton of money even if the list in general has no idea who you are...

        You may have heard you hate marketers who mail offers every day, but I can tell you from personal, first-hand experience that those are some of the marketers who make the most money on ClickBank every single day...

        They mail offer, after offer, after offer... all under a pen name, and never offer a single piece of content what-so-ever.

        There's money in the relationship if that's the way you want to go, and there's money in just having the right people on your list too...

        I'm not coming back to debate this either. It's fact, whether you agree or not doesn't matter to me one bit...

        -Gary Ambrose
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Just to update you guys, I've added 101 people total so far to the new test list using Chronic Commission-and i've made $100 total so far. I'm going to do a paid blast soon I think to see how many get added that way. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Just to update you guys, I've added 101 people total so far to the new test list using Chronic Commission-and i've made $100 total so far. I'm going to do a paid blast soon I think to see how many get added that way. :-)
    Jeff
    Yeah keep us posted. I'd like to see how responsive their lists are

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by xxxJamesxxx View Post

      Yeah keep us posted. I'd like to see how responsive their lists are

      James
      Made 2 more sales this morning, so im up to $130 now. The people in this who are selling the blasts seem to build relationships with their lists as well, so I'm just going to have to pick wisely.

      So far though, 105 on my new list, and $130 in profits. The email I sent had a 20% open rate (ahh yeah) and a good ammt of clicks as well.

      I forgot to mention, BUT the camgains also come with pre-set up auto responders with 2 additional responses past the initial one - so it's a good start to a list and a good follow up for further sales. I'll wait this week before I send out another so i can be sure any sales come from my initial trial campaign. So far - I like it though and can see great potential with this.

      Build up a QUALITY list, maintain a POSITIVE relationship with them - and you WILL make money, and lots of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author powercazh
        I bought the product. I think this is a great product.
        I have some concerns about the campaign settings though.
        Anybody I can PM to?
        Appreciate assistance.
        thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author powercazh
          Hello eljeffe77,
          Can I PM you for some cliarifications on the campaigh settings?
          thanks man.nice results.
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      • Profile picture of the author jcruz
        That's pretty freaking good, i own a couple of sites and am in top 10 and haven't made a dime. I Just got there but still it took about 3 months. To see profits on your first attemp is pretty amazing, no many products or wso's can say that, i'm going to take a look at it. Sounds good.


        Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

        Made 2 more sales this morning, so im up to $130 now. The people in this who are selling the blasts seem to build relationships with their lists as well, so I'm just going to have to pick wisely.

        So far though, 105 on my new list, and $130 in profits. The email I sent had a 20% open rate (ahh yeah) and a good ammt of clicks as well.

        I forgot to mention, BUT the camgains also come with pre-set up auto responders with 2 additional responses past the initial one - so it's a good start to a list and a good follow up for further sales. I'll wait this week before I send out another so i can be sure any sales come from my initial trial campaign. So far - I like it though and can see great potential with this.

        Build up a QUALITY list, maintain a POSITIVE relationship with them - and you WILL make money, and lots of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    I might give this a wirl as I want to see how they're structuring their email campaign/funnel

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author gforces
    Anyone willing to share what the solo-mailing lists actually are? That's not actually a part of the product right... so it could be shared I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimNesbitt
    M Thompson, yes you are right my friend it is in the RELATIONSHIP but you can't build that TRUST and in turn create even more SALES if you don't have the LIST!

    But as I said you are right fortunately I have a good relationship with my list and I will almost always do a thorough review before sending them too any product. So they know exactly what they are getting as well as know that they can trust me when I recommend something!


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  • Profile picture of the author sweetloleypop
    So is chronic commision really works?Have you tried that sir Anik?
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  • Profile picture of the author WebPen
    Hmmmm, its starting to sound interesting considering guys are making money!

    So I still don't understand something- the product doesn't come with a free solo ad with one of those 20 list owners, right?

    So you still have to pay for your traffic, correct?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenrick C
      You are probably correct. Unless you can convince an Ezine owner to publish an article for free with a link to a landing page or to form a JV partnership.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post

      Hmmmm, its starting to sound interesting considering guys are making money!

      So I still don't understand something- the product doesn't come with a free solo ad with one of those 20 list owners, right?

      So you still have to pay for your traffic, correct?
      Correct! I tested it with my own list first and was quite happy with the results.
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      • Profile picture of the author afxx
        Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

        Correct! I tested it with my own list first and was quite happy with the results.
        Hey Jeff, Did you ever get to do any further testing with CC? I was wondering how their lists turned out?
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    • Profile picture of the author gforces
      Originally Posted by Justin Stowe View Post

      Hmmmm, its starting to sound interesting considering guys are making money!

      So I still don't understand something- the product doesn't come with a free solo ad with one of those 20 list owners, right?

      So you still have to pay for your traffic, correct?
      Yes, that is something that is completely skipped over in the "video" and "sales letter". I am told though by someone who has bought the product the costs of using the traffic source, = solo ads to the lists, will cost - "It can cost $100 to $2500+ it just depends what you're willing to invest"

      So.... I am interested in knowing how good the lists are and if they are going to or are being flogged to death by people buying and using this technique. It's easy enough to find lists for rent on the net... but are they going to be any good? Is any list going to be any good... if it's not one you have built yourself? At the end of the day though it is all about testing. Doing small mail outs first, testing and tweaking ads, using a list in the right niche.... no sense in mailing out something about 'betta fish ebooks' if the list is full of people interesting in 'super tuning their nissan silvia for drifting'.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    Well, that can be true, but it's not necessarily true...

    If you put a targeted offer, in front of a list that fits the target, you can easily make a ton of money even if the list in general has no idea who you are...

    You may have heard you hate marketers who mail offers every day, but I can tell you from personal, first-hand experience that those are some of the marketers who make the most money on ClickBank every single day...

    They mail offer, after offer, after offer... all under a pen name, and never offer a single piece of content what-so-ever.

    There's money in the relationship if that's the way you want to go, and there's money in just having the right people on your list too...

    I'm not coming back to debate this either. It's fact, whether you agree or not doesn't matter to me one bit...

    -Gary Ambrose
    Yeah I can imagine - I got one email account that gets hammered everyday from marketers emailing offer after offer

    But for this to work, wouldn't you need hundreds of new leads coming in everyday?

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
      Er... pardon me for even MENTIONING this but...

      ... is surfing bum "Caleb Adams" the star of Chronic Commissions the brother or half-brother of self confessed multi-bazillionaire "James Denzel" the star of Go Click Cash? Coz they sure do have the SAME kinda sound to their voices.

      SHOCK HORROR! Could it even be the SAME guy?

      So, has poor old Denzel lost his multi millions and become a bum? Or did bummer-dude-reefer smokin' surfer Adams magically morph into Denzel?

      This guy seems to have lived more lives than a cat.

      Or... am I just getting hopelessly confused with all these wonderful products?

      Gary Simpson
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      • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
        That's a great imaginative theory. Unfortunately, I know for a fact it's an intirely different camp that put out this product. This is a product made in the USA. Nevertheless, the morphing into James Denzel from GoClickCash is interesting and could make for good material for a sales page, although I would have liked to see more detail regarding why the bum morphed in the first place. I can see there is a real common ambition in these threads for conspiracy, which in turn makes GREAT reading and debate!

        Originally Posted by Gary Simpson View Post

        Er... pardon me for even MENTIONING this but...

        ... is surfing bum "Caleb Adams" the star of Chronic Commissions the brother or half-brother of self confessed multi-bazillionaire "James Denzel" the star of Go Click Cash? Coz they sure do have the SAME kinda sound to their voices.

        SHOCK HORROR! Could it even be the SAME guy?

        So, has poor old Denzel lost his multi millions and become a bum? Or did bummer-dude-reefer smokin' surfer Adams magically morph into Denzel?

        This guy seems to have lived more lives than a cat.

        Or... am I just getting hopelessly confused with all these wonderful products?

        Gary Simpson
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        • Profile picture of the author jimzimm
          After reading through the whole thread, I decided to purchase this product and give it a try. Trust me, it had nothing to do with the sales letter, it had everything to do with the reviews in the thread of people that actually bought the product. I have been in IM for a few years, and while I have built a few lists, none of them were in the IM/Make Money Online niche.

          After purchasing Chronic Commissions, I started right away sending out a highly non-targeted solo ad, inexpensive and not through any of the supplied vendors. This was a test to see how it converted. To my surprise, it converted at approximately 15% of the clicks. My initial mailing was 3 days ago, and I have made a couple of back-end sales through the follow up emails, which accounted for very near the sales price of the product.

          I am pleasantly surprised at how well this is working and I am going to try a more targeted solo ad.

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          • Profile picture of the author powercazh
            Hello,
            bought this and tried to run a campaign. how does the tracking works? Can we check from our clickbank stats? coz I cant see it.can see it in the dashboard though.maybe i miss some settings.
            can anybody advise.
            thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author jcruz
            Have you tried the solo ads that were provided by the actual vendors? Also do they provide a thank you page , or a way to capture emails from to the solo ads that you send out too. I'm glad you gave us an honest review.
            I'm tired of the people leaving comments about the product without even giving even trying the product.

            Originally Posted by jimzimm View Post

            After reading through the whole thread, I decided to purchase this product and give it a try. Trust me, it had nothing to do with the sales letter, it had everything to do with the reviews in the thread of people that actually bought the product. I have been in IM for a few years, and while I have built a few lists, none of them were in the IM/Make Money Online niche.

            After purchasing Chronic Commissions, I started right away sending out a highly non-targeted solo ad, inexpensive and not through any of the supplied vendors. This was a test to see how it converted. To my surprise, it converted at approximately 15% of the clicks. My initial mailing was 3 days ago, and I have made a couple of back-end sales through the follow up emails, which accounted for very near the sales price of the product.

            I am pleasantly surprised at how well this is working and I am going to try a more targeted solo ad.

            Jim
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        • Profile picture of the author Gary Simpson
          Originally Posted by Jamie Lewis View Post

          That's a great imaginative theory. Unfortunately, I know for a fact it's an intirely different camp that put out this product. This is a product made in the USA. Nevertheless, the morphing into James Denzel from GoClickCash is interesting and could make for good material for a sales page, although I would have liked to see more detail regarding why the bum morphed in the first place. I can see there is a real common ambition in these threads for conspiracy, which in turn makes GREAT reading and debate!
          @ Jamie, good to hear from somebody who knows the TRUTH.

          Conspiracy theorism is a curse but healthy scepticism IMO is good. So is imagination.

          I agree with you that debate is also a good thing, providing it doesn't become insulting. Presenting both sides of opinion enables everyone to see a good balance of such a debate.

          Regards

          Gary Simpson
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          • Profile picture of the author Jamie Lewis
            Originally Posted by Gary Simpson View Post

            @ Jamie, good to hear from somebody who knows the TRUTH.

            Conspiracy theorism is a curse but healthy scepticism IMO is good. So is imagination.

            I agree with you that debate is also a good thing, providing it doesn't become insulting. Presenting both sides of opinion enables everyone to see a good balance of such a debate.

            Regards

            Gary Simpson
            Yeah well said. I like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dax Brathwaite
    Are my eyes deceiving me? Am I reading that this is a product that actually works and is making money for those who bought it? OMG. This is a first for me in the warrior forum regarding a clickbank mmo product.

    This might be my next purchase and review. Anyone wants an affiliate sale? pm me your affiliate id or just fill in the form on the page below.
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  • Profile picture of the author brookman12
    I cant believe how many programs are coming out that are similar to this. Ive been doing Interet Marketing for a few years now and found you have to put in genuine effort to see the results. If you could click your mouse five times and be driving a ferrari I think most people would have done it by now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Debbie Songster
    I don't get refunds often

    This was a product I asked for a refund on.

    Here is the note I gave to clickbank
    "ClickBank may want to reexamine this product as the sales video and the actual
    product are not the same. The sales video claims you will not have to invest in
    anything else but you do - you need an auto responder or buy solo ads.
    The sales video tells a story of how this system makes money and alludes to
    being able to set up 1,000's of campaigns but that's not actually the case once
    you login into the system. At any rate I predict this product will have a higher
    than normal refund rate."

    I didn't see this product as having value for a long term business.

    I see on Clickbank they are stating the following:

    Chronic Commissions. CB #1 BestSeller. $1.8mil Gross in 10 days. Top Affiliates are seeing $2 - $4 EPC's

    This is proof a good story sells
    Its a slick sales letter!
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg Jeffries
      Originally Posted by Debbie Songster View Post

      I don't get refunds often

      This was a product I asked for a refund on.

      Here is the note I gave to clickbank
      "ClickBank may want to reexamine this product as the sales video and the actual
      product are not the same. The sales video claims you will not have to invest in
      anything else but you do - you need an auto responder or buy solo ads.
      The sales video tells a story of how this system makes money and alludes to
      being able to set up 1,000's of campaigns but that's not actually the case once
      you login into the system. At any rate I predict this product will have a higher
      than normal refund rate."

      I didn't see this product as having value for a long term business.

      I see on Clickbank they are stating the following:

      Chronic Commissions. CB #1 BestSeller. $1.8mil Gross in 10 days. Top Affiliates are seeing $2 - $4 EPC's

      This is proof a good story sells
      Its a slick sales letter!
      This is how I felt too. VERY misleading.

      The only thing is I really wish I would have saved the list of solo ad providers they list. Does anyone have that list that would mind sharing? Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author xxxJamesxxx
    $60 for 200 clicks for an ad thru to their subscribers.
    That is quite cheap though for a solo mailing.

    Let us know how it goes if you decide to do one.

    It'll be interesting to see the quality of the list.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author jlandells
    Just a thought - is it worth buying this product, just to get access to the list of solo-ads so you know which lists are going to be over-mailed in the near future??

    -John.
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  • Profile picture of the author tschlotter
    Thanks you guys! You just saved me $50, plus gave the incentive to unsubscribe from a few lists I've been on for years. The sales letter was awesome I think - but, from what it sounds like, the actual product is just another one of those that sets you up to promote the product itself via splash pages, etc., and does promos for solo-ad buys for their partners. Solo-ads buys can be found all over the internet - why pay someone for the 'opportunity' to promote their stuff via their buddies solo-ads? Not withstanding the fact that the sales copy was misleading - I wouldn't think of recommending this to my list - it would probably be gone in a few days!
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  • Profile picture of the author Carol_A
    I wouldn't touch this product with a 10-foot pole!

    Hype, lies, unscrupulous? Ugh!
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  • Profile picture of the author BCS123
    Is this the same as Chronic Profits? I'm assuming it is, I just got an email for that and it sounds like the same product, did they change the name?
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    • Profile picture of the author writetale
      Originally Posted by BCS123 View Post

      Is this the same as Chronic Profits? I'm assuming it is, I just got an email for that and it sounds like the same product, did they change the name?
      same chronic product.

      begs the chronic question: why re-launch with a new chronic name? wasn't the old name good enough? would love to hear some chronic theory on why.

      given that this thread (and product) is over a YEAR OLD, we should have some freakin' chronic STELLAR reviews. so far, netting $130 (a year ago) are the top reported non-chronic earnings. not good.

      anybody have ANYTHING OF VALUE regarding this offer? c'mon, all you chronic devotees who bought a YEAR AGO. CHIME IN. Anik? TimNesbitt?

      ps. decline twice........$20 discount to all the bravehearts.....(to avoid dealing with Mr. Chronic Billcollector)
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
        I signed up last night.... Requested refund this evening..... I could live with the over the top super hype sales pitch.....

        They implied that setup was a handful of steps.... easy to do.... no website required.... yada yada yada.... Was too good to be true but I was intrigued. It was a VERY interesting sales process.....

        Bottomline.... one upsell after another..... could never really get to the system setup phase.... website kept stalling if not quite crashing..... Numerous attempts at directing (read that very near forcing) me into tertiary products.... domain names, hosting plans at hostzilla, aweber.... (I pulled the plug there).... like everyone else I have my own... don't need it or want it....

        There was so much of it that it became distasteful..... I had intended this as a side project for my wife. It made her teeth hurt.

        To top it all off... I'm convelescing aftersome medical treatments and just don't have either the physical or emotional capital to spend on this.

        Am going to contact the forum member that recommeded this to me and see if he is actually using it...

        Cheers,
        chris
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
          Follow up: Chronic Commisions uses Clicksure to manage their affiliate program. Had some misgivings about ClickSure but they responded to my refund request almost immediately. So far, so good.

          cag
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    From what I've heard it's basically Chronic Commissions 2.0 but launching as Chronic Profits.

    I didn't have Chronic Commissions so don't know what to expect, but for some reason ClickSure are denying my card for the first time ever which is strane since I've purchased two products a week on average for the past month.

    Oh well, looks like I won't be getting this one then (maybe thats a good thing, though?)
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  • Profile picture of the author taskemann
    I remember when this product came out. It was the most overhyped sales letter ever in my opinion.

    But be aware guys. Someone have copied the sales page and run it under the domain "chronicprofits.com". They use ClickSure as retailer and I think it's a scam.

    But i don't know if the real, original product is good.


    Jimmy
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by taskemann View Post

      I remember when this product came out. It was the most overhyped sales letter ever in my opinion.

      But be aware guys. Someone have copied the sales page and run it under the domain "chronicprofits.com". They use ClickSure as retailer and I think it's a scam.

      But i don't know if the real, original product is good.


      Jimmy

      Read the post above yours jimmy :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author taskemann
        Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

        Read the post above yours jimmy :-)
        Oh.. :p

        That's the result I get when I don't bother reading the last posts before I post.
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        • Profile picture of the author RecessionPROOF
          Interesting,

          So we have another rename which is common tactic almost all these so called guru's have used over and over, even exchanging their deals back and forth to further their ability to cross launch a new deal every few weeks. In my experience, if this is just another rename, what happened to the first deal, in this case, chronic commissions, and why is the original no longer the hot deal of the week? Too many negative reviews is my bet, and with this new chronic profits remake, more hype, but done in a sob story format, and secret passed on in will, same old same old in new wrapper.

          Good luck,
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Hype or not this is a Damn good product and I give it two thumbs up. Its better than Most other prods out there and teaches a real way to make real money. Treat IM like a business and you'll see things in a different light
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
      Banned
      Originally Posted by mojiden View Post

      On the bright side, receiving an email referral to this thing helps one nail down the UNSUBSCRIBE decision. File this one in the recycle bin with the "former stripper makes millions with three clicks" debris.
      Your loss then - if you write this off as crap just because of the hypey video - you're probably destined to not go very far. :-) I mean that in a polite way, list building and solo emaling is a VERY lucrative way to generate income and one I use myself quite often. I tested this with a SMALL list when it first came out - got 100 new subscribers AND $130 profit in about 2-3 days time. After that, it's quite easy to use your earnings and scale things up even further.

      I promoted this to my list - i even gave a 'warning' to just ignore the hypey content and take it at face value for a good course and product.

      It's simple how it works really, you're able to either do direct links to the offers (which anybody can do) - but the GOLD is having pre set up squeeze pages that get the opt in BEFORE you re-direct them to the offer (they're hosted on their own server btw, so you don't need to buy a website, domain or hosting)

      I set up one (as an example) for coffee shop millionaire - which is actually a REAL good product, despite the hype. The squeee page was PRE-DONE, I just had to enter a tracking id and hit 'enter' and it gives me a link to promote.

      You send traffic to that squeeze page offering them a free video, or a 'how to'

      They opt in, you get the lead and they get auto sent to the offer.

      If they LEAVE that squeeze page without opting in and you're taken to the sales page of the product itself. Now granted, this IS something most experienced IM'ers & affiliates know how to do - BUT for somebody just starting out this is gold!

      The REAL VALUE hasn't even been brought up yet - you get access to a HUGE database of Solo Email Providers you can buy traffic from. I just looked at one that offers 1100 guaranteed CLICKS for $300 or so - others vary in clicks and prices - but they do get cheaper than that even - with many providers offering smaller solos for $100 or so to test the traffic.

      I'm logged in now and going through everything once again - this is VERY impressive.

      People need to treat IM like a business and quite complaining when asked to pay for something like an auto responder or solos to a list.
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      • Profile picture of the author lp115lp
        Hi eljeffe77! Just found your review of 'Chronic Commissions' here on WF. I HAD been searching for a review of 'Chronic Profits' (name came up in first review) which had been mailed to me by 'justinmichie'. Normally I shy away from hype-y promos but YOUR review of Chronic Commissions intrigued me.

        Is it REALLY that easy? and can it really make me cash by just promoting a link to their squeeze-pages?

        Is it still active and effective?

        Got to find something which is easy and still works. Got a LOT of friends who're disabled and barely living on SSI. Hoping to find SOMETHING they can work at to supplement the pittance they're receiving. Hopefully this can REPLACE their Govt 'allowance'.

        PM me please.

        Thanks; Larry
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