Charlotte Jay

Yeah, I'm still slogging through the huge pitch video. Oy.

Can anyone give me the lowdown, I've seen several people promoting it. I'm wondering if it's good or crap, I'm looking for new products to promote.

tjmiller

The video NEVER tells you exactly what it is. Just that it's a "Siphon App." Whatever that means. I'm kind of insulted by sales videos like that anyway.

1. He starts out blasting the tactics of "gurus."

2. Then he expects you to hand over money for some mysterious cash-siphoning app, strictly on the basis of his hyped up story, without ever knowing what the app DOES.

3. Anybody who wants to buy this (I wouldn't) be aware that if you try to click off the page, you can get a $10 discount. (Another cheesy tactic I hate.)

I would never promote something like this to my list. I have too much respect for them than that.

Laura B

I watched the sales video out of curiosity. I also find it hypocritical that he blasts the gurus for promising big money by clicking a button, and then he proceeds to tell you that after filling out a few fields and clicking "Go," the money will start rolling in.

Charlotte Jay

Hah. Yeah, I thought it was suspicious too. Guess this is another one I will be taking a pass on.

coluden

As the one-click button apps have lost their appeal, these marketers have to up the ante in hype. It's a natural progression...not that I condone them. It would appear that you 'cannot make serious money online unless you are willing to become a hype merchant in the process. huhhhhhhhh. I shudder at the thought.

I hate to buy stuff then ask for a refund. I'd rather wait for an unbiased review.

Do good stuff today,
coluden

Jimspeed

I just grabbed it.

It builds dual sites using link wheels- Cool concept, very un talked about.

You can build unlimited at 2 at a time... I like it

Only has 1 upsell for $97 which a 20 template auto blog system.

garywynder

Can you give us more information on this, in more detail? The way in which this is being promoted is highly suspect in my opinion using a paid actor in a very long-drawn out and very spielsy 'promotional' sales video which rambles on and on. . . If this is even halfway 'legit' I would be extremely surprised to say the least. If you like this so much, then how about coming back here and giving these ladies your review after you've tried it out and established whether or not it lives up to the video actor's claims;(as long as you are not just an affiliate for it - with a vested interest in promoting it, that is?)

neodarth

Checking the disclaimer...

Please Note: Additional Charges Will Apply. As with any Internet Business you will a few small fees such as $1.99 Per Domain Name + from $4.95 per month for Hosting fees.



This site and the products and services offered on this site are not associated, affiliated, endorsed, or sponsored by Google Adsense, Azoogle, Commission Junction, Linkshare, Yahoo or Bing, nor have they been reviewed tested or certified by Google Adsense, Azoogle, Commission Junction, Linkshare, Yahoo or Bing. This is a voice over actor portraying my actual experience, which is a true and accurate story.

stanli

A little disappointing that almost all we get on this forum is -opinions- based on the hypey sales video, as opposed to the product itself. How about some reviews, rather than uninformed speculation? Clickbank has an anonymous and instant refund policy so other than the time involved, what's at risk?

Uninformed speculation often reflects badly on the speculator.

Dianaiad

Add another lady to the skeptic list. I can't give a review of the product, because the sales pitch was such a complete and utter turn off...Y'know, while the thing was going on, I was able to read and respond to five e-mails, run downstairs for a diet coke, drink most of it, and play a game of Minesweeper (the advanced version with 100 mines...I lost it with three mines left to find)....and in all of that, I didn't miss any of the information this guy was giving.

'Cause he wasn't giving any.

....and the background music was irritating.

So, if anybody has purchased this program, and can give an honest evaluation of it, I'd be interested. If that evaluation is good enough, I could possibly be tempted to buy it in spite of the sales pitch. I know that I'd have to sit through it again, but if I turn the volume off and spend the time reading my Nook, it could be a nice break.

Diana

redbaron13

This is the typical "too good to be true" type of video. If it is really that easy to start earning $1K per day, either it is illegal or a scam. I wish I could find a legitimate way to just fill in a few blanks and start the cash machine running! What else is Andrew Thomas know for that would indicate the nature of what he is promoting?

I have received 2 emails today promoting this product. One is even by Sean Donahoe, who sells quite a few products on this site. I am really surprised that he would promote something like this. Anything for a commission?

tjmiller

Go for it!

If that's how you feel, why don't YOU buy it and give us that review? After all, "Clickbank has an anonymous and instant refund policy so other than the time involved, so what's at risk?"

lefty359

The story told on this video and others lately, rivals anything that used to be put out by the race and gambling systems purveyers.
"this guy that always won, saw me at the track and took pity on me and gave me his system" that sort of thing. His story that someone on a forum sent him the disk was just as unbelievable.
Sean Donahoe sent me the link, which in itself is pretty disappointing.

srbilles

I got sent a promo email for this system from wealthyaffiliate.com

I unsubscribed from their list. Anyone who promotes this kind of crap doesn't deserve a list.

The voice in the video sounds very similar to the guy that speaks on the sales page of the incomeinfuser.com

The way they both speak is very simular. Maybe the same guy.

Gust

I got an email for this from someone else on the Warrior Forum who seems to be well respected.

I got flashbacks to Commission Domination. Very similar type of sales video, even down to blasting gurus for one thing, then doing the same thing themselves.

Legend Dude

How can you guys call a product crap and unsubscribe from the email list before you even know what the product is?

lefty359

legend dude, just watch the video; that's all you need to do unless you really blve in fairy tales.

nashvillegurl

Want proof he's lying in the Cash Siphon video? Not trying to defame anyone, but this is hard evidence. I have screenshots, and the link to them is in my signature.

The voice over claims he has been scammed for $33,000 by a guru. Then he produces a screen shot of a "Warrior forum private message." I thought "Hey, I need to go see who this guru is!" So I searched the exact quote from the message (I didn't notice it was a "private" message on the video). It didn't come up on a WF search, so I ticked the radio button to search Google, and I found it. Google said it was posted 8 hours ago on -- GET THIS -- the Test Forum!!! So apparently this guy (whoever it is) posted a test post, took a screenshot, and doctored it to make it look like a pm. Then he deleted, it but the all-powerful Google remembers! And if that part is fake, you have to wonder what else is. If you have a good product and a legitimate reason people should buy it, then you should not need to falsify proof.

I almost bought a WSO the other day until I noticed that the in a picture in the video, the seller was sitting on poolside lawn chair of a house that had a piece of paper taped to the window of the back door. The only time I've ever seen that is on empty houses that are for sale.

I'm not trying to ridicule anyone, but maybe if we would all be more critical (or at least aware) of what we're being shown and told, maybe these guys will be forced to rely on quality products and REAL proof to make their money. Something needs to be done to increase the quality level of training in this business and stop this awful cannibalism!

devogolf

I was disappointing to get this link from Sean...I thought he was one of the "trusted ones". There is so much of this stuff out there now.

Kalidasa

Another sign of a scam, or at least something crappy, is that all the links at the bottom of the sales video are broken. Privacy policy, terms of use, etc. Only the members sign in is working. Really off putting to have a hyped up no ff video too. I don't usually watch those anyway. I'd rather miss out on something than be subjected to them.

Thanks to everyone for bringing some sanity back to IM.

lefty359

Now I get a link from Dan Brock. Makes me wonder who's genuine and who's out to make a fast buck.

Sayed

I bought it.
It scrapes articles from foreign article directories based on the categories or keywords you choose then translates them into English then posts these articles to Squidoo and Hubpages with your link and anchor text you choose.
So, practically it's a SEO software that you can use to build some backlinks (the idea of scraping articles from foreign directories is that they should be unique when translated to English (Translation is done using a free service online automatically).

Sean Donahoe

Ok I am going to weigh in on this discussion as I was a marketer who promoted this product and I see my name mentioned in here a couple of times.

Here is my advice I give to all my students and subscribers:

1. Ignore the hype... the big numbers are meant to grab your braincells to potential but use your common sense.

2. Look at honest reviews - I often get given great tools and strategies to test and the strategies and software can be phenomenal and vastly underpriced when sold on Clickbank. Reminds me of the WSOs which are always underpriced and one of the reasons I cannot sell on the WSO section any more.

3. Be picky about the upsells - Heck if an upsell is not for you, don't worry about it. You are not obliged to buy anything

4. Check the exit popups - They usually have discounts!

5. You have 60 days no questions asked refund period - You have nothing to lose and if you don't like it you can get an instant refund from Clickbank

I actually like this software and it has some great potential for traffic. If you don't like the video, fine. However, read between the lines, see if this is something that can work with what you do or can give you a new direction. If not, walk away or get a refund, it really is that simple.

Anyway, that's my 2c and I hope that helps people out. Traffic is traffic, does not matter what site you have and what you do online, anything that can get you more traffic is well worth investigating.

The strategy behind this is pretty simple, create high-power link-wheels 2 at a time with different web 2.0 properties. Something I recommend to a lot of people and this software automates it. Does it work, yes. Is it simple, yes... its a strategy I have been teaching for many years and it still works well today.

All the best

Sean

Charlotte Jay

Thanks to those that gave their honest thoughts on this. It sounds a bit better than I thought, but software always worries me. There are too many what-if's associated with it. Think I will steer clear for now. If anyone achieves some good results then be sure to update us.

NickL

Oooo: SNAP! I love it, Teresa! Awesome! LOL (and so true!)

~ Nick

langbiang

Thanks Sean for giving us the clear out!

Greg guitar

Fair enough as far as it goes Sean, and I know you're a trustworthy guy, and an SEO master, so I believe you when you say it works, your description of what it does, and would guess that it is even a good deal.

But without your clarification, we would have no idea what it does, and would you not say that the claims in the video are exaggerated if not an outright lie?

He is basically saying that all you need is to fill out a few fields, push the "easy button", and within a week or less, you'll be seeing $500-1000 daily commissions. Surely that is not true.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, it means you're promoting a product with good intentions toward your list, because you think it's useful and a good deal, and I don't believe you'd promote something you didn't think was good.

However, unfortunately it's being hyped in a dishonest unethical manner, and I suspect if the authorities took a hard look at it, they'd even find it illegal, because you aren't allowed to lie in your ads.

So though your heart's in the right place, you are compromising your own good name by associating yourself with the type of marketing that one finds when they click your link-just look at the comments expressing shock that you'd promote this, and you can see the damage it's doing.

In other words, I am strongly urging you to at least include a strong disclaimer if you are going to promote something that is hyped like this (and "hypey" is just a softer term for "full of lies").

I think you and Dan Brock and other mid-level gurus that promote stuff because they like the products while ignoring the hype (lies), need to remember that when you promote a product, you don't just associate yourself with a good product, but with the lies being told to get the audience to click the buy button.

If your email said something close to the following (I only saw Brock's-so forgive me if this was already your approach):

"I am promoting this because it does [accurate description of what it actually does], but please ignore the video-it tells you nothing and lies about what to expect (there's no "easy button). Instead, here is what I like about it, and why I think you should get it in spite of the lies and sleazy sales gimmicks used to market it....", then I'd say you would come across pretty well, with your good name intact.

If you instead did like Dan, titled the email "RIP OFF warning", and said
"I just finished watching this very alarming
video:

>> [link to video]

In it, Andrew Thomas reveals for the very
first time how he was RIPPED OFF to
the tune of $33,000 by one of the top
marketers online today.",

then you would hurt your reputation.

Thanks again for the review, and I still think you're one of the good guys. I just hope you and others will take it to heart that your readers care not only about quality products, but also honest marketing. The video was far from honest.

tjmiller

A very reasonable, and well-thought out commentary, Sean. And if you explained this in your email, then no one should complain. (I don't know if you did, because yours wasn't the email that hit my inbox.)

The person who promoted this to me promoted the hype:

No explanation was made about what the product was or did.

Now, I'm not naive enough to believe that every person who sends me an email promotion has actually bought and used that product. I live in the real world and I know how people do things.

I do, however, expect you to do your research and tell me what the product is, especially if the sales page gives you NO clue.

lefty359

The way I read Dan Brock's headline was he was in sympathy with the guy that supposedly got ripped off by the unnamed guru, otherwise he wouldn't have given an affiliate link. I think only a child would buy the product based on the video. Why don't these guys just say what the hell it is?
If he would have said in the video here's a software solution to the linkwehel, I would have bought it. If I don't trust the salespitch, I certainly don't trust the product, no matter who promotes it. If these guys ever send me another sales pitch like this one, they will be unsubscribed. Right now there's only a couple of guys that I trust anymore.

Doiron

Very clever, nashvillegurl. You're quite the Sherlock Holmes.

I hate videos with no indication of their length. I think it says that the vendor has much more respect for his or her time than they have for ours.

Fake links, fabricated screen shots, over-the-top announcing, no explanation of the offering - all warning signs.

And I know some will say that it's just marketing and it works so the proof's in the pudding. That's simply not true. There are a great number of deceptive marketing ploys out there and just because they may work some, or even most, of the time is no excuse.

A lot of criminals are walking around free because they never got caught. Doesn't make it right. If the story of our marketer getting stung for thousands of dollars is true we might as well say that he was the victim of successful marketing. After all, it worked.

Sean says we should read between the lines. There weren't any lines. There was no explanation whatsoever as to what the product would do. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers used to call that buying a pig in a poke.

I unsubscribed from the list of the fellow who sent me this offer. He may not be a crook but it speaks to his judgment - or lack of it.

Jim Hudson

The hypey videos do well for masses at clickbank, but not so much for an email list in most cases. It tends to cause problems if a person does not know the marketer very well or even tick off the subscriber. I have had to ask Sean for clarification on some products myself, and he has always said what he posted above. This tells me the product may work just fine, just look around the bs and do the work needed to get the foundation built with the software.

I may take a second look, tools are good to have to go along with basic link strategies.

Jim

Alessandro

Hey warriors, just try it and understand how the software works.
If you think it is not for you just get a refund! Very simple.

I think some of you are a bit weary because of the "siphon" included to this product.

"Commission Siphon" was recently advertised from a lot of 'Gurus" as a push button product that was supposed to make you over $1500 a day on commission. Bear in mind that this software costs $997!

It turns out that CS does not have a money back guarantee and a lot of people not happy with the software were locked in with the deal and could not get their money back.

Cash Siphon has a sixty day money back guarantee so if you want to trial it go for it.

George Kelly

I wont touch anything that has Chris X behind it as he pumps out so much push button wonders that all turn out to be some kind of blog installer that magicaly gains you money while you sleep.

Why dont all these "Gurus" stop all the hype and stand by there product and actually show you it running or at least tell you what it is.

All the best
George

nashvillegurl

I for one have just about had it with IM-IM marketers (wow-redundant!). The newer ones who are just coming into their own can seem very helpful and sincere, especially those going the WSO route (and I'm sure their hearts are pretty much in the right place), but they quickly get a taste of the power of dropping an affiliate link into an email and watching the cash flow in from their lists. Then suddenly they're promoting EVERY SINGLE THING that comes out. Everything is a must-have! I have lately begun to make sport of watching their transitions from innocent do-gooders to maniacal marketers. It's almost humorous, but it makes it hard to retain one's faith in the human race and in the power of online marketing to anyone but other hungry marketers. I do pretty well in the non-IM markets, but I wonder if I ever decide to sell to other IM'ers, will I be as easily corrupted?

xxxJamesxxx

Just watching the video now.

I love the bit in the video where he says "I'm not some lame actor out to make a quick buck".

Then in the disclaimer at the bottom it says "This is a voice over actor portraying my actual experience"

...lol

Gowd I love these videos ;-)

James Scholes

davies856

I think its all been said here. All we need is someone who has bought it to do a live demonstration of what the software does and post it on You Tube - simple! If no one does it I may even purchase it and do it myself

craig j

That (the actor thing) along with the fake Warrior Forum Private Message screenshots and the condemnation of gurus flogging "push-button" solutions by someone flogging what is basically his own push button solution leaves me gobsmacked by idiocy, hypocrisy and above all, the dishonesty of it all.

I wonder if there's any truth whatsoever in his 'story' or the seemingly unbelievable figures.

Is it really okay to be so untruthful in salescopy just because it's 'advertising'?

coffeediva

I am convinced that Marketing these type of products is just a big ego trip for the gurus to see who can win the competition for the most promotions plus the you scratch my back JV partnerships. Most of them would not have even seen the product. I just hit the delete button on the emails

TimNesbitt

I agree with Sean in regards to the BIG numbers are there to grab your attention and especially those who are wanting to earn extra money and not a more experienced internet marketer.

I rarely if ever even watch a video or even read the sales copy I look at the product and see if it is going to be beneficial to my list and if it is then I will recommend it and let them know what it does.

It is kind of silly to get mad about am internet marketing video hyping it's product, keep in mind we are all marketers and we obviously are going to hype whatever product we are marketing saying what the best benefits of having it are.

I noticed a lot of people were knocking on Tim Atkinson's sales letter hype for his recent Click Conspiracy product which for some reason is no longer being sold at the moment, and they hadn't even purchased it.

That product was one of the best products I have seen in quite a while and well worth buying yet several people didn't even give it a chance just because of the hype which means they lost out on a really good deal! So please don't take this as an insult but rather advice that while you shouldn't just buy a product off of the hype don't not buy a product because of the hype either!


Tim

gpxint

Does the software also create Squidoo & Hubpages accounts? Or are they done
manually?

Thanks.

Alex.R

When will people get wise to this kind of marketing hype...a carismatic video sales letter that has been well rehearsed, well delivered, from a brillantly and tantalizingly well written script.

It follows all the time tested methods of getting people to part with their money and in a lot of cases, (not all I may add) getting very little worthwhile substance... still the same old pull at the heart-strings easy money making method programs ...there are none. Loosing money is easier than making money, money has no loyalty, it will quite happily go with anyone who lures it away. Spend it wisely.

Getting a proper business up and running, wether it be online or off-line is not an automatic given. There is a learning curve to go through, you are going to have to make your fair share of mistakes no matter which way you go. Minimize the loses and expand on the winners.

Dianaiad

The ubiquity of such...stuff...indicates a very sad thing; it works. It has to work, or nobody would DO it. I don't know who I'm more angry at, frankly...the folks who fall for it (and plenty must, or, again, nobody would do this) or the folks who take advantage of the fact that people fall for it.

I've been told, and I'm coming to believe, that at least 90% of those who try to make money online fail--and I think that snake oil salesmen like this are part of the reason why. THESE are the guys that newbies see first, and see most. It's like the old fairy tale about having to whack your way through a maze of thorns before you get to the princess and 'happily ever after.." but why?

I suppose it's an existential question rather than a practical one, but...why? Not 'why do people use dishonest and unethical means to market," that's understandable. If the goal is money, and that is the priority, then many people will do whatever works. The question is...why do people fall for it?

It's not like I could hold myself up as a superior example, either. I have done my share of 'falling for it." The reason I didn't bite on this one isn't because I'm too smart--it's because I've been burned; this isn't new. Just louder.

What's wrong with simply identifying a problem, solving it, showing HOW the product you have solves it, and then letting the buyer make an informed decision? Am I asking too much, here?

Or am I asking too much that, if I decide to promote a product of my own in that way, that people will actually pay attention and buy at least as well as they fall for the hyped up actor reading an interminable sob story?

Seann

Thanks for the explanation Sean. I'm glad you jumped in here.
Most of us have been had at one time or another and this guy plays to that. Great psych tactic! Insulting at the least! Anyone can fake earning statements by using Firefox and Firebug. Just open the statement, change the numbers w/Firebug, take a screenshot and there you are...a $500k payday. I cringe whenever I see screenshots of someones' earnings. Sean, you flew above this kind of crap until now. What happened? Like someone suggested, perhaps to protect your integrity you could have given an explanation in your email. I know, maybe we wouldn't have opened it. I think your trustworthyness is now somewhat suspect. I have one of your products and I got a lot out of it. Let's all move on now that we've shredded Brother Sean.
None of us are perfect or always make the right choice. If we were and did...

housewarrior

That's a heck of a job of sleuthing, nashvillegurl! Many thanks! I'd say for the skeptics of the skeptics, run get a copy.

In the meantime, I vote that the Warrior Forum makes a "Hanging Tree" forum on here and once somebody is proven to be promoting garbage to desperate marketers, he (or she...I'm totally neutral here) should be taken to the Hanging Tree forum to be given summary and swift justice at the following dawn.

Alex.R

Thats getting a bit drastic, although I know were you're comong from, but who is going to set themselves up as judge and jury? Going down that road would only lead to witch-hunts. What we have now, is good enough, were people can express their likes or disgusts in the individual threads, on any particular program.

A L Moten

So there's no golden eggs out there? I actually have to put in "gasp" work in order to make money on the internet? Heaven forbid!

chemo38

Anybody that knows ANYTHING about foreign languages can see the failure of this software, or app, or whatever it is. I speak a language other than my native tongue. I am hear to tell you that after 50 years of language interaction, not every foreign word translates COMPLETELY into English. Therefore, any article written in a language, other than English, will look awful, scraped, and spun into something that looks like gibberish. Where is the IM advantage in that? How can that increase traffic to a site or offer?

At the end of the day, it will die a failure's death and get slapped by Google for its poor quality. I have yet to hear or see any success from foreign article translation as a traffic tool. Now if you are selling a product or service that can be used internationally, then foreign articles should work as well as their English counterparts. Just my "dos centavos".

chemo38

Greg guitar

I just wanted to say from one who criticized his decision to another, the critiques were quite measured and mild, given the nature of the promotion he joined.

Since I posted about it, I have received and read an email Sean sent me, and am disappointed that there is no caveat about the nature of the promotion, nor is there any information about what the product is.

To be fair, it would be hard to find a promoter who'd do include such things, but the problem I have is that not saying anything is really a stamp of approval on the marketing you just sent your list to, whether intended or not.

Please (to all that promoted the ridiculous video); next time either give the lowdown in the email, or refrain from promoting. You didn't just promote the product; when you sent us the link, you promoted the sales video by recommending we check it out, without any critical comment.

I think it's clear the general consensus is that we like Sean, and are actually doing a friendly thing by expressing concern that he could damage his reputation by associating with questionable (at best), marketing methods.

athenajw

Well, I bought this, and when I clicked on the link in the clickbank receipt to go download the product, I got the following message:
This website has been reported as unsafe

cashsiphonmembers.com

We recommend that you do not continue to this website.

[IMG]res://ieframe.dll/green_shield.png[/IMG]Go to my home page instead This website has been reported to Microsoft for containing threats to your computer that might reveal personal or financial information.



Has anyone else had trouble from the members' area or gotten this message? This happened just now.

nordend

It is interesting to see the shift in our minds. These movies are quite professionally produced, but that makes it clear in a glance that the product is not genuine. One year ago I might have been tempted, but today after having seen tens of similar products I don't give a glimps anymore and discovered my own "no hype" tools to create backlink posts on forums and blog creations software. This is clearly a "newbie" trap, but I find it dishonoring for Clickbank to accept those any longer in there system, there should be a rule stating that there must be a video walkthrue of the actual product on any sales page.