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Old 12-20-2011, 06:09 PM   #1
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Arrow SE Nuke X Killer-Ultimate Demon

EdwinSoft makers of BMD released UltimateDemon today. It sounds like a great alternative (financially) to SE NukeX. D What do you think?

$47 Monthly or one tme fee $397.

- Multiple Platform Supported (Web2.0, Videos, Press Release, Social Bookmarking, Articles, RSS, Forum Profiles)
- Multitasking
- Seamless Submission
- Visual Aid for handsfree CAPTCHA solving
- Adding Your Own Sites
- Privacy Protection
- Article Spinning & Rewriting
- Auto Ping
- Scheduler
- Human Speed Simulation
- Proxy Support
- 100% Socket

For more details, head over to http://ultimatedemon.com (not an affilate link)

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Old 12-20-2011, 06:39 PM   #2
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Hmm very interesting.
Anyone tried it out yet? Thoughts please?
SERobot, Magic Submitter and even Ultimate Demon
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:29 PM   #3
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Does it do review site creation, verification and review submission to citation sites? Does it track rankings? Does it find leads? Can you compile reports with it? Does it have 900+ HIGH PR sites?

Seems like there many things it can't do (to top it off you have to add your own forum websites to get backlinks on profiles.)
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I bought it today. It's years away from being a "SEnuke X killer". Here's my review:

1. Too few sites - Only like 12 web 2.0 sites in the software. The most sites are in the bookmarking module (about 60) but considering that the author was the creator of BMD I expected a lot more at least in that module.

2. Success rates are really bad.

3. User interface is a clusterf***.

4. The "one time fee" of $397 is not actually a "one-time fee". You have to pay $147 for every major update that comes out every 1-2 years.

5. The $47/month is only for ONE computer. Most other software (like SEnuke) give you the license to use it on THREE machines with one license. So keeping that in mind, the monthly offer is actually not any cheaper than SEnuke (and SEnuke is miles ahead in terms of number of sites and success rates and overall work-flow).

The ability to add your own sites is only for the bookmarking module (we already had that in BMD), the article module (exactly what AMR does) and the forum module. You can't actually add any web 2.0s or high quality sites into it, so the "add your own sites" thing is a bit of a joke.

Definitely not renewing my subscription.
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I'm adding in my review of Ultimate Demon in addition to Donny's.

I have a lifetime license with SENukeX and while it's expensive, I can use the software up to 3 PCs and no extra costs for upgrade next year.

Ultimate Demon is seriously lacking in a number of things:

1) Very few article sites, Web2.0 (only 12 sites! ) and none in forum sites!

2) No automatic email creation, it's a headache!

3) Creates only level 1 backlinks, you cannot create backlinks to backlinks like SENuke. In short, there is no diagram to show the linking scheme that SENuke have.

4) Interface is quite poor

5) Success rate is quite poor. I had only 4 submissions out of 67 sites!

Like what Donny had mentioned, SENuke is many years ahead of Ultimate Demon.

Since this is their intial launch, I'll give Ultimate Demon another 1-2 weeks of use, I hope they have something new. If nothing new comes forth, it's a rare refund request from me.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:06 AM   #6
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Ultimate Demon is a direct copy of Seo Link Robot. Unfortunately Seo Link Robot is much superior to Ultimate Demon. Please check carefully before you place an order. $397 is a big sum of money!!
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:13 PM   #7
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i bought it and its junk, plain and simple
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Wasn't a fan.
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I'm all for competition and its always good to see a new product on the market as it keeps existing suppliers on their toes. However, for anyone to entice me away from the tried and tested they have to offer something extra. Like when SEO link Robort came on the market the price was set low enough to make people, including yours truly take the risk. Plus the developer was always here to answer questions and help people out. Same thing with Magic Submitter. I have both products and whilst they are not perfect, they do a great job both in terms of quantity and quality. This Ultimate demon thing does not seem to be offering much either in quality or quantity to tempt me to even take a pip. PASS!
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Most of developers try to make a new software when they get success with one tool. This happened for Scrapebox developer after launching Scrapeboard. It's better to focus most successful tool of the developer and try to give a great tool like Senukex.
After reading these reviews, I decided to skip UD.
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@donnyh, @JosephThen If you guys are okay with me taking a look at your success rate, open a support ticket and describe the issues that you are facing. I will check it out.

@soobashb This isn't true but you got me to check out on SEO Link Robot.

@SerpSmasher Sorry that you felt that way. If you want to refund and have not, drop a support ticket at our official support site.

@Tengalon Thanks given. It's you that made me decided to pop by.

@Rukshan Agree and disagree. Part of life is about facing challenges and overcoming them.

Btw, I am not Edwin but his partner. I am Kevin. The key person behind all the demons that are now in the market.

Guys, I know some of you are facing issues but most people do not write in to support asking for assistance. Our support operate 24x7. We do answer support tickets on X'mas too. You will always get a reply within 24 hours.

Give us a chance to address your issues with the demons.

Wish you all a Merry X'mas.
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Well, for all the people that are unhappy with UD and want something else other than SenukeX... I would highly reccomend Sentinel Bot 3...the new version was just released today (12/.23/2011). I was using Sentinel Bot 2 and it's awesome. It's almost half the price of UD and does a ton more. A great alternative!
http://www.sentinelbot.com (not an affiliate link)
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Big fan of your programming prowess, if you were the coder on Article and Blog demon Can you let us in on any roadmap stuff concerning web 2.0 additions to UD, or maybe some kind of learning mode so that we can train UD to submit to other types of platforms?

One of the reasons why I ask, and I'm privvy to a TON of different softwares: I'm the owner of seotooluniverse.com ..basically, if it's an seo tool, i've either bought it, demo'd it, or beta tested it

That being said, I guess I'm struggling with trying to see the value add of what UD brings to the table, where SeoLinkRobot, Scrapejet,Scrapebox,Senuke X, Link Thunder, Ignite SEO, Xgen Seo have already established for themselves. Is your unique selling point on price? The stablity of your code? The ability of your software to learn at some point other platforms?

Like I said, big fan of your other products I'm hoping UD can become successful for you as well.
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@soobashb This isn't true but you got me to check out on SEO Link Robot.

@SerpSmasher Sorry that you felt that way. If you want to refund and have not, drop a support ticket at our official support site.

@Tengalon Thanks given. It's you that made me decided to pop by.

@Rukshan Agree and disagree. Part of life is about facing challenges and overcoming them.

Btw, I am not Edwin but his partner. I am Kevin. The key person behind all the demons that are now in the market.

Guys, I know some of you are facing issues but most people do not write in to support asking for assistance. Our support operate 24x7. We do answer support tickets on X'mas too. You will always get a reply within 24 hours.

Give us a chance to address your issues with the demons.

Wish you all a Merry X'mas.
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The ability of your software to learn at some point other platforms?
This is a must for any sustainable software moving forward and somthing truly lacking at present. At the very least the ability to add your own sites to every module should be included.
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@Kael41 Thank you for your kind words. Yes I am the main coder behind the demons but the credit is not mine alone.

Edwin do have plans to release a road map to our users but I can shed a little of it over here since you have asked.

- We will be adding a scraper into UD allowing user to scrape sites for the site detector

- More open source scripts will be added into the system so that user can add more sites that these open source scripts support

- More Web 2.0 sites will be added but this will take time

For the learning mode that you have queried, the engine behind BMD and AD that was created in 2009 already supported learning mode but it's not as robust as the newly created engine that exist in UD.

However, learning mode is not something for a normal user. It will probably sink in better for people who knows how to code. The editor that we use internally to create plugins is currently still very script based and we will not be opening that up till a more drag and drop version of the editor is created. For now, till we feel comfortable, the learning mode that is inside the system will not be open up to the public but it is part of the road map.

Though the software and system is created to be as stable as it can be, I would say the main unique selling point will be the A.I. (artificial intelligence) that is put into each and every plugin (instructions that tell UD how to submit content to a website) that is created for our users.

There are a lot of things happening inside a plugin. It has to decide if a user account is logged in so it does not have to log in again. It has to check if a page exist. If a site has changed, it has to stop when it detect abnormality to prevent account getting banned. If a self add site stopped accepting submission, it has to remove the site from the list automatically. The list just goes on.

The down side to having so many checks in place is, it tend to raise more false negative (a successful post is returned as error) when it comes to success rate but we rather live with more false negatives than with more false positives (an error is returned as success).

I guess some of the unhappiness were created due to lack of transparency. So we do have plans to have a "Behind the scenes" that shed more lights on what actually goes on at EdwinSoft. If we decided to put that up, you will see it announced on our Twitter account.

@neil_patmore Agree. It is part of our road map for the learning mode but right now, I am not able to point at the calendar and say it will happen on that day.
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hmnn, sounds like it will be fixed in a few years lol, and was released way to early...
I checked today and still no updates.. and bad reviews everywhere.. ill PM you my paypal. Thanks

p.s your footer link is not working.

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@SerpSmasher Time probably is slow on your end. Over here, a year has passed.

Open a support ticket with your order id for a refund.

Btw, thank you. Got the footer fixed.
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I use SenukeX and like the program very much. Nothing compares to Senuke and it is updated on a regular basis at no extra charge.

SenukeX recently removed the video module which I think was a mistake.

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I really Like Ultimate Demon so far

I am mainly using it for Mass Social bookmarking...but I like it about 1,000 times more than Sick Submitter

My first run with UD provided me with twice as many links as sick submitter with the same list

Sick Submitter's documentation is poor and I spent 2 whole days cleaning my computer of viruses...and I had to look deep into the forum for suggestions on how to run Sick when it should have been pointed out how to protect yoru computer from the get go

So much happier with Ultimate Demon so far..and the support documentation will get you up and running quickly

I think there is a lot of potential with this tool as the engine is really good

Also, with UD, I can actually work on other tasks whereas with Sick Submitter, I had to run it at night because it hogged my computer

It looks like it will save me quite a bit of money on outsourcing fees which is why I purchased it

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I use SenukeX and like the program very much. Nothing compares to Senuke and it is updated on a regular basis at no extra charge.

SenukeX recently removed the video module which I think was a mistake.

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I had the old SENuke for a year and it was the best in the market at the time. Tried the new SENukeX and almost bought it until I tried Magic Submitter based on the reviews on this forum. I've got to say, I prefer Magic for reasons that will take up too much of my time to write up right now.
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1. Too few sites - Only like 12 web 2.0 sites in the software. The most sites are in the bookmarking module (about 60) but considering that the author was the creator of BMD I expected a lot more at least in that module.
Agreed - far too few WEB2.0. Not bothered about Article, PR, Forum or Bookmark - you can add your own of these (I have a list of 9000 article and about 1/4 million bookmarking sites - so that's not the issue_ but web2.0 sites is too low

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Currently barely 50% on the WEB2. This needs fixing. They need 20 (minumum) web2 sites and 80% working all the time. This means constant updates

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This is a strange one. Edwinsofts UI for their older products is excellent. Why are they not playing on users familiarity and their own previous work? THe UI in UD is (contrary to many of the "review" sites you see - that clearly have never even opened this software) nothing at all like previous products. Again this needs fixing

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4. The "one time fee" of $397 is not actually a "one-time fee". You have to pay $147 for every major update that comes out every 1-2 years.
Not quite. You get all major updates free for two years - no matter how many there are. Not "1-2" years. If a major update comes out inside 2 years you get it free. Fair enough as far as I'm concerned. Most software doesn't even last 2+ years. The original Nuke barely did. Whereas all Edwinsofts products provide excellent functionality years after purchase by being regularly updated (not just script updates but major feature additions as well)

I'm quite happy with this. If anyone is mistaken enough to expect any SEO software to last much longer than this out of the box, then they will probably find to their cost that this isn't the case.

How many times I've read "Free lifetime updates" then 10 months later a new product comes out with a "2.0" suffix and the devs stop updating the original and claim that "2.0" is an entirely new product...that I have to buy again from scratch. I like the honesty here. 2 years for $147 seems just fine with me.


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5. The $47/month is only for ONE computer. Most other software (like SEnuke) give you the license to use it on THREE machines with one license. So keeping that in mind, the monthly offer is actually not any cheaper than SEnuke (and SEnuke is miles ahead in terms of number of sites and success rates and overall work-flow).
This may or may not be an issue. If you have VA's working for you using the other two licence keys, then this means a lot. It means Nuke is VERY cheap and far better value.

If, however, (like 95% of NUke users) you are the sole user of the software, or only have one VA who uses it while you do other stuff, then this means nothing other than the convenience of having it on more than one machine

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The ability to add your own sites is only for the bookmarking module (we already had that in BMD), the article module (exactly what AMR does) and the forum module. You can't actually add any web 2.0s or high quality sites into it, so the "add your own sites" thing is a bit of a joke.
That's about 2/3rds of the functionality. Hardly a joke. But it does echo the first two points. To be taken seriously this software needs to have more GOOD WEB2.0 sites that "just work"..all the time

This may just be teething issues. Edwinsoft has a reputation of supporting sofware WAAAAY longer than any other major SEO SP provider I can remember

The prime example is BMD...2012 will mark my 6th year of buying BMD..I paid about $60 (through my own affiliate link) for it in 2006 and have created well over 1 million bookmarks..
It was last updated..free..about 2 weeks ago.
That being said. If I were new to IM, I would not get it now - but if the UI is fixed and the number and reliability of WEB2 improves .... then it will be in my toolbox.

For a single user (which most IM's are) then the subscription will work out at less than 1/3 the cost of Nuke, and the 2 year deal is a steal.

It would be fairer to compare it with Sick Submitter for cost as it's closer to that price than Nuke.

Let's see where it is in a month. The more competition the better for us.

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Scritty is DEAD ON with this statement..

"Not quite. You get all major updates free for two years - no matter how many there are. Not "1-2" years. If a major update comes out inside 2 years you get it free. Fair enough as far as I'm concerned. Most software doesn't even last 2+ years. The original Nuke barely did. Whereas all Edwinsofts products provide excellent functionality years after purchase by being regularly updated (not just script updates but major feature additions as well)

I'm quite happy with this. If anyone is mistaken enough to expect any SEO software to last much longer than this out of the box, then they will probably find to their cost that this isn't the case."

Can't say how many times i've seen a software vendor pick up shop, stop supporting their software or charge within the same year for minor updates. I've got faith in Edwin and Kevin to rise up to the challenge to meet the demand's of the buying public. I've gotta believe they know that the web 2.0 module isn't all that great, and right now in tool-land, good web 2.0 submitters are hard to find.
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Well, for all the people that are unhappy with UD and want something else other than SenukeX... I would highly reccomend Sentinel Bot 3...the new version was just released today (12/.23/2011). I was using Sentinel Bot 2 and it's awesome. It's almost half the price of UD and does a ton more. A great alternative!
http://www.sentinelbot.com (not an affiliate link)
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I have heard some complaints against UD, but I am not hearing raving testimonials for SE Nuke X. Is anyone having success with it? It seems to me the price is irrelevant. It's the ROI I care about. If it makes me a profit, then it's worth it.
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theres an update available, Im still hanging in there, I wish the interface wasn't so confusing tho..
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I totally agree with donnyh and Joseph, it doesn't worth its money, at least for now.
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@Mark-Dickenson, @Scritty, @Kael41: Thank you. We will certainly be working on improving the software and making it better for all our users.

@SerpSmasher Thank you too, for hanging in there. Let me know which part of the interface is confusing to you. It will certainly benefit all other users.

@greekweb I know that no product can please everyone. Some people love it while others simply hate it.

Having more competition is always good for the users. In fact, it is also good for vendors. It will make them constantly try to improve themselves to stay ahead. It also ensure that user get better support out from the product that they love so much.

Maybe you can state the reasons why you feel that UD is not worth it for you. I would like to hear about it.
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Hi Edwin,

I am planning to try your software - despite the comments above. It looks interesting, but I also agree that more web 2.0 accounts would be good, but if you could add a pdf submission service i.e. to doc share accounts, that would be very useful with regard to link building.

I will report back with my experince of UD.
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I wish it was easier to find what we need, and not almost 10 clicks to check export links,etc. I ran about 1200 articles sites and got only 200 success and maybe 1 live link,.. maybe its the directory's?. I cant tell whats really going on. Without easier to read screens and reports you cant really tell. other than that I really cant complain, for the price and what it does. I think its truly gold! good job!
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Is there another program that works just as better as this one but cheaper?
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I actually had a really good experience using the software, don't know why you guys complain so much it really does a lot of things.

Plus they just released an update now you can submit to directories, add more web 2.0 sites, article sites, bookmarks it's pretty much an all-in-one tool that you can use to properly optimize your sites, instead of just outsourcing everything.

Sure it's expensive, but its well worth if you are using it right, you should get your ROI within 1-2 months easily.

For anyone interested in purchasing the one-time fee license I found a coupon on for $40 off, not much but it's still something.

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I actually had a really good experience using the software, don't know why you guys complain so much it really does a lot of things.
oh yea and how long have you worked for edwinsoft? also this is the review area you cant tell people what to say!
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@massagetalk Thanks for the support. For Pdf submission, noted. I will bring it back to the discussion board. Open a support ticket if you have any queries with regards to the software at our support site. Btw, I am not Edwin but his partner, Kevin.

@SerpSmasher Do you know what you just did? You have just made the software easier to access the reports. Check out in the next update.

@salegurus Currently there is no trial version available. We do have some plan for it but I wouldn't call it a trial. Trial is a double edged sword as if we limit what it can do, it gives a bad impression. If we make it a full trial, there will be people abusing the system and it affects all our paying customers. We are still thinking about it.

@7thAmigo Glad you have a good experience with us but I would suggest that you remove that discount coupon. It is against the T&C of this forum. You can check out the WarriorForum rules here: NO affiliate links in review threads.

@SerpSmasher (again) @7thAmigo does not work for EdwinSoft. We have very strict rules. Our staff are not allowed to post any discount coupons or promotional links on forums. In fact they are not even allowed to post in forums without permission.
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I agree, a trial version would be most helpful. Most other software has this feature. IT may never be long enough to be super useful, but it's better than having to ask for a refund which most people hate doing ( or don;t get around to doing as they hope things will get better ).
Big fan of BMD, so would like to give it a try .... eventually
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Ok - a quick update

UD now has 39 WEB2 sites. My one and only run on this was an attempt to post to all 39. 29 succeeded - 2 sites were down (not the softwares fault) 3 seemed to reject my article for a technical reason (one did not like the title format when I check manually - which was odd as it "Was A Normal First Letter Capital Style Title" and 5 returned varios error codes meaning they had either been attempted too often or s script error had occured.

About 75% success? Pretty good.

Also can now add to targets just about everywhere (except RSS)

Articles (all major formats - Beach, WPMU etc)
Bookmarks (Pligg, Scuttle, Scuttle+)
Directories (PHP directories)
Forums (Yup - you can add forums)
RSS Pingers (ok - no big deal)
1 format of WEB2

I created 140+ bookmarking signups across 15 email accounts at about 70% success as well (most of the failures were sites I added that just plan didn't work or were very flakey) - but have my 1400-1500 BM targets for January - so that's all I need for now.

Finally got used to the "task based" rather than "account based" method of the UI - again this is fine but does take some adapting to. Reminded me of getting to grips with my first object orientated programming language after being a Cobol and Pascal dude for years.

At first I was bemused - then cross - then persevered - then..

Quote:
"Ahhh - I seeeeee..it's actually better this way"
..that might be a mental journey for a few people.

Is it as good as NukeX now.

I'd say no, not yet at least. It's a little too new, lacks a few key features and is still a few percent below the success rate I would like. Not by a huge margin - but if you take price out of the equation, then Nuke has the edge.

I like Nukes keyword features and the auto email sign ups and various other things. And NukeX is very slick and polished - and works nicely for those who understand the importance of good internet connection, proxies, a decent home (or preferably server) based connection and all that other stuff..and not forgetting content that will actually get accepted

As an aside...

I was just looking for a Video I saw a few months back of some IMer QQing about a product's failure rate when he was trying to post a 250 word article to hundreds of sites with a 300 word minimum - it kept saying on the screen "Article rejected - too short" and he kept saying "What does that mean"..some people

ANYWAY...

A fairer question might be...

Is UD stand alone good value for the under $50 a month?

I'd say yes, the 1.01 updates has improved it a lot, and more is promised.
For a few hundred bucks for 2 years?
If you don't already have a tool then this deal in particular is one to seriously bear in mind.

This isn't an whiter than white commendation of UD. It needs to continue to improve, it needs a few features, and it needs to establish a track record for reliability (hardly a fair thing to say about a new product - but for many in IM this is just the way it is).

But for those who understand what makes a high level linking system tick - and how to get the most out of one, then UD is definitley a tool worth looking at,


Back to the cricket ..

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Any chance we'll see url level reporting on submissions for bookmarking soon? I've been running a test today of bm'ing 4000 pligg sites..besides running at 25 threads, it's been taking a loooooong time. I'm sure some of that is due to emulating human input. Not sure if this 4000 submission will be done in 12 hours or so. Do you have any experience in submitting to large amounts of Pligg sites with UD? Through testing of course lol

But yea, the ability to generate reports at the url profile/story level is of interest just so that we can report back to clients who use our services where their links are. Thanks
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yes Kael having the same issue, im also having issues getting footprints to work, like im trying to find elgg sites, but every list I add I get no working sites added out of big lists,
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So started at 10:45am this morning and I'm at 7:50 pm..so roughly 9 hours in and I've successfully:

1) Signed up
2) Verified Emails
3) Posted Comments

to 702 Pligg bookmark sites...there's roughly 4100 active and healthy in my list

So 10 hours to do 700 or so..anyone else get any metrics using UD?
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Have you tried turning the Human Emulation off? From what I have seen those timeouts add up.

May want to try to turn it off to see if it helps.
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@Kael41 Actual live link (instead of profile link) has been in UD all along since day 1. As long as UD can find it, it will be added to the report and ping queue automatically.

The initial run for any given account profile in UD always take up more time. Mainly because it need to:

1. create the account,
2. wait for the emails to come in,
3. update the profile,
4. submit the content.

All the above adds up. Imagine if there is no seamless submission in UD, you will have to be in front of your computer and wait for each step to complete before you can proceed to the next. That is too disruptive to your daily work.

However, things become very different when you re-use the same account profile for subsequent runs. UD will go straight to the submission. It only log in to an account if the session has expired. Otherwise it is not even required to log into the account at all. This apply to all type of sites.

Try running UD again on the same profile for the same set of sites. You will see a huge time difference.

@SerpSmasher Btw, right click on any given task. You can now access the reports in 2 clicks.

@SCarter I do not recommend turning human emulation off. Imagine everybody turning that off and each is submitting 100 bookmarks to a given site at the same time. That quickly multiply up. The site that you are submitting to will not be able to take the load. It is equivalent to a DDoS.

What is DDos? Imagine 1000 people trying to talk to you at the same time. That is DDoS.

We do not want those sites to die. We want them to stay online for as long as they can.
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Thanks Kevin,
So I need to ask then, is there any benefit to using BMD if I now have UD? I can't think of a reason to use BMD any longer.
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as for bookmarking its great, we need web 2.0's now, and elggs are not working really good. hopefully more platforms will be added soon
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@Kael41 If you have UD, you don't really need BMD unless you have a lot of submissions to handle and having BMD running at the same time will be good.

@SerpSmasher Certainly. We will continue to update the software.
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Ok, so for best practice usage, what I did with my 4000 bookmark sites is split them up into groups of 8 (500 sites or so each). That way I can pick and choose runs of 500 accounts each time I submit instead of just doing a massive 4k dump lol..works better that way.
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@Kael41 Actual live link (instead of profile link) has been in UD all along since day 1. As long as UD can find it, it will be added to the report and ping queue automatically.
OK so it now reports at a URL level?

So we see:

http://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/stockholm_techies_use_water_to_charge_mobile_phone s

instead of:

http://digg.com/usq1111


OR for Pligg sites:

We see:

http://www.waalao.com/story.php?title=ineedcoupon-coupon-codes-promotion-codes-discount-coupons

instead of:

http://www.waalao.com/user.php?login=firdouswani&view=voted#axzz1jGSdBuI 0

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Unbeleivable, how hard can it be to make one solid bot that does like 30-40 web2.0's succesfully. Senukex sucks huge time (tons of crappy site, and high failure rate), seolinkrobot sucks huge time (terrible low successrate) and now this tool [EDIT] seems there have been some improvements after the first 10 posts of this thread. Will keep my eye on it.

Will take a look into sentinel as suggested by one of the posters here.
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Personally, and if you can afford it, go with a toolbelt approach. I can run LWB, SeoLinkRobot, Senuke AND UD and get a compilation of web 2.0's that each tool individually couldn't get. But i hear you, one tool should really be able to knock web 2.0's out of the park, but they're also the most complex due to one off scripting for using that platform. So when one thing gets changed...BOOM..down goes that web 2.0 inside that submitter..
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Long Post Incoming..

As a programmer myself, I understand and realize how difficult it is keeping the sites in this software updated. You have to realize really that when you have tons of customers Hammering the same web 2.0 Sites. They are not going to last long. Most of those sites change there scripts with in a few days if not less. Some even have It automated, so when the website starts to receive an influx of Sign-Ups, the website changes its script automatically to combat bots.

There are a few ways to remedy this: Pros and Cons

Solution 1.) The developer could update the sites everyday, every 2 days, ect..

Problem:
This is a double edged sword. Say the developer updates the sites every 2 days. He gets ready to release a update and the sites script changes again. So you still won't get 100%. I do however, believe that if you are paying a month fee for software like this the sites should be updated once a week minimum that would help out quite a bit.

Solution 2.) Adjust your code to detect web 2.0 script changes and adjust on the fly..

Problem: Being a programmer myself, I can tell you that this can be difficult. If the site only changes Field Names you could possibly work with it. Other than that, It would would be hell trying to adapt your program to handle this automatically.

Solution 3.) Build in a Macro Designer, Like Magic Submitter and let the users fix it themselves..

Problem: This will solve the problem for some people. For MOST Users especially people who want a software that is hands off. I'll Take Magic Submitter for example. It has a Designer you can add you own sites, pretty much any site you want and people still complain he does not update sites enough. The Truth is even if they add that feature MOST will NOT use it. They will continue to use and rely on the built in sites. I am not saying this is a bad thing either. If you pay monthly for a software It should be updated WEEKLY.

Another thing to look at is that many times people get low success rates and its not the software's fault at all some of the time its a user issue such as:

1.) Using public proxies : Do not use public proxies for registering and posting they will hurt your success rate. Use a VPN Such as HMA or use Premium proxies.

2.) Your computer has a Slow Internet Connection : Lower your thread count. Running a large amount of threads with a slow connection will impact success rates. In these cases Lower threads = Better success rates. Or Rent a VPS and run the software on that. Make sure the VPS isn't slow aswell :P

3.) Your message body was to long/short ect : Some sites have requirements for posting content that can change at any given moment. If you try to post a 1000 word article to a site that only accepts 500 words of course its going to fail. A lot of these software's has a option to view the Last Loaded page. If a site fails for a unknown reason use this option to See WHY. It could actually be your fault and not the software.

There are actually many more reasons that a site could fail and not be the software's fault. The ones I listed above are the most common. Perhaps I will return periodically and add to the list
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@Kael41 If you have UD, you don't really need BMD unless you have a lot of submissions to handle and having BMD running at the same time will be good.

@SerpSmasher Certainly. We will continue to update the software.
I think there is an issue here for those of us who link a little bit "darker"
I like to submit bookmarks from many different accounts and account profiles in one hit.

BMD allowed this (I could for example set it to run on just profiles that had "Digg", Delicious" and "Reddit" or whoever).

I have maybe 100 profiles with those accounts, and could run a campaign getting about 50% of those profiles to bookmark a specific URL. Get 40-50 Diggs for one URL in a 24 hour period (a nice thing to do if you have just done a major update to that URL)

Doing this in UD is a little more difficult. I need to keep selecting individual profiles with one account on Digg each, giving that a task to bookmark (once) then repeat. I can't just "click and go" for multiple Diggs to one URL.

Luckily I have BMD, so I'm creating profiles in UD and export/import them to BMD.

For indexing purposes bookmarking in UD is perfect. For instant traffic boost then the setup in BMD is a little more conducive. I realize I'm in a minority doing this, but getting featured on Diggs own front page for a decent URL has given me great benefits in the past

Haven't done this yet - I hope it works


Finding live links for post published articles.
As you know most article sites do not publish immediately. I can be 3-5 days, so the instant report that UD provides will not contain many of the articles that eventually get published.

My success rate with UD for articles is excellent - the whole area of automated article marketing (syndication) is getting a tougher nut to crack, but UD does it very well, getting excellent success, but would like to re-visit the submissions at a later date to check whether these articles have actually been published (so I can index them)

Is that included (I can't find it) if not will it be added? A right click on the task gives a contxt menu "Live Links" but the software does not seem to go back and access the links - it instead returns almost immediately with the original list of articles that were published instantly at the time of submission.

Batch Altering Profiles and Account Status

I have several campaigns on the go, and have some issue with the task management of them.
Firstly - when signing up to 11,000 article sites I get meany thousands of failures. Thats fine - but when I want to submit at a later dat..indeed every time I want to submit..the software insists on wasting time trying to open accounts on these sites.

I know I can delete the sites, but this seems to be only do-able "one by one" I go into the profiles account list and see the error messages "Pending account creation" or "Pending Account Verification" against maybe 7000 odd accounts in total. Unlike BMD I cannot "drag" a whole block in one go, neither can I select a point in the list and "shift click" another point in the list to bulk select them. I am left with either deleting them one by one (a task that would take hours) or putting up with the software fruilessly re-trying to mame accounts on all of them every time.

I realise there is some benefit in this, but the last time I ran - of the 7000 odd failures I got less than 10 more succesful sign up for a couple of hours of UD churning away. I would prefer to just delete these accounts in bulk from the profile to prevent this happening in future.

Ended Tasks Reactivating Themselves

100% complete jobs keep trying to repost. I have gone into the task list and set various flags to try and prevent this, but now and again UD's scheduler springs into life and tries to verify an account or read an e-mail, this despite every task in every project reading 100%. Could this be prevented?

However.....

This sounds like a list of gripes - it isn't. Im getting superb results on WEB2 submissions. Allowing for multiple submissions to the vast majority of sites it's possible to build up very powerful WEB 2 sites very quickly - ones with many posts. Each day I post fresh spun content to several blocks of 20 or more sites in various niches, and already some of them have 6 or 7 decent posts and are slowly but surely becoming "fire proof" in SEO terms

Using the bookmarking tool and ping to index is simplicity itself. The pinging is automatic (if you want it to be) and bookmarking is simple.

Email addresses can be used across every format. No more getting one barch for WEB2, another for Articles, another for bookmarks etc..now one address can create a full set of profiles.

Just as a directory submitter this tool wins points. I now submit to over 1000 directories with 60-70% success., Other tools that attempted that number cost $150. The last one I bought was the rather good Deep Linker Pro by Josh Spaulding - but the verification server for that went down a few months ago - and UD saved the day by allowing me to add literally thousands of PHP directories.

I think we just need some "account management" tools to allow us to delete unwated account or account creation attempts in the profiles, to prevent profiles from deciding to restart themselves when reporting 100% completion and get a real "live links" report well after the posting date essp for articles.

Anything more than that is just icing on the cake as far as I'm concerned.

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