Sid Hale

Silly me. I could have sworn that you asked for our opinions.

I addressed my opinion to you, as you were the OP in this thread, but you apparently only wanted opinions that were in agreement with your own. (oooops. there I go, making assumptions again. My bad!)

Tim_Carter

I really can't see why anyone would vote for W+ to be the better platform. It doesn't do anything better. JVZoo does everything better.

Especially the commission thing. What affiliate doesn't want credit for all their sales?

The only edge is the number of affiliates. But if you put a link in your WSO to your affiliate page people will sign up. Plus it is growing in leaps and bounds.

honestbizpro

Ha I thought of that too, but really it would be a dis service to your affiliate who worked hard to get them there and then clicked the other guys buy button.

winebuddy

just a couple of notes...

I was informed that JVzoo has some kind of blacklisting thing coming. (not verified)
I was also informed that W+ had the same thing coming (but that was months ago and not verified).

And as far as JVZoo being a ghost town - there are products in the affiliate panel that show over 500 sales and others over 1000 sales.

That appears to be evidence of a pretty stout little affiliate army to me.

And I like the split payments - especially for high ticket WSOs (and any other higher ticket items for that matter).

Chris Ramsey

Just to tell everyone, I love JVZoo.

I don't have time right now to go over all the reasons why in detail, so I'll leave a few thoughts.

1. Their customer service TRUMPS that of the other WSO systems

2. They're quick to add new features that users suggest

3. They're willing to go out of their way to help sellers when a problem arises (I got multiple phone calls from their staff when I had trouble on a Saturday afternoon)

4. It can be used outside WSOs without any problem (No ugly little buttons that nobody would click outside the forums)

5. I've gotten to know one of the owners, and he's seriously one of the best guys I've met in a long time. Very knowledgable about his system, extremely responsive, and realizes that without the affiliates and sellers, the system would be nowhere.

6. They have features WSO Pro could never have because it's using PayPal's Adaptive Payment System (which means WAY less chance of the dreaded "paypal slap")

7. They're working on features that only the huge, expensive, hard to use systems have and they're making them incredibly simple.

8. Everybody gets paid on every freakin' sale. That's just awesome.

That's about it for now. I could keep writing, but I really need to sign off for a bit

igrowyourbiz

yup there you go...again...just like you did in the beginning when you came out on the offense accusing me of having an "agenda"

and you just did something we counselors like to call "baiting"

Thanks for your opinion...I asked which is better, thats it. No one else on this thread, whether they agree or not has taken the stand you keep taking.

Everyone here is having a nice discussion - you keep taking it in a whole different direction - and continue to.

You just seem to want to argue, not my style...let it go man, seriously.


exactly

remember what I said about crowd dynamics. IT is the POPULAR one...the one that everyone knows and talks about. This is how "gurus" sell shovels and shiny objects.

Alan (owner of WF) used to call that the "herd" mentality

They say its better because everyone else does, and it is more well known. Yet, not having actually seen JVZ or ANYTHING else.

Actually it wouldn't. JV Zoo gives you a SEPARATE sales page (pretty easy to format too)....affiliates end up sending people to the JVZoo page which is not the WSO here on wf.


lol -only a person who has an opinion based off nothing and has not actually LOOKED at JVZoo would say they are a ghost town.

I know of a couple large launches about to come through there...but I Digress.

The paypal API is actually pretty sweet the way it does everything automatically.

JVZ has a lot of room for improvement for sure, but they are miles ahead of WSOP - which has needed improvement for some years now.

If they keep it up, they can become a large market player IMO

zerofill

JVZoo has been great from my experience so far. No downtime, seems to always be up when a payment attempt comes through. I can't say the same for W+.

Anyone who has run payments their selves for a site using the normal PayPal IPN routine... knows that PayPal can often be very late to the party at times sending the IPN back.

So if you have a delay on a IPN coming back... and 5 more sales come in... you're screwed... Don't care what anyone says. I have seen it many times for myself. Been screwed by it many times myself.

Where with the adaptive payments that doesn't happen that way because it is split right form the get go.

So that right there is enough for me to use JVZoo.

I have used so many different things for handling transactions in the past. I have used DLGuard, RAP, W+, JVZoo, Clickbank, EMP, hell I probably couldn't name them all in an hour lol.

JVZoo has been smooth for me. Has been working great... so I will continue to use it.

Not to mention... I don't care what anyone says. PayPal in my opinion does not like the round robin affiliate payment setup. How could they like it? Not to mention that it causes confusion for buyers. Buyers look back at their transaction and automatically think the affiliate was the product creator/seller. That crap get's real annoying real fast. Anyone that has done any volume of sales KNOWS this happens. Not to mention I have talked to one of the head risk department people at PayPal many times... So I know for a fact they are not that thrilled with that way of doing affiliate payments. When your doing 400k+ in transactions in PayPal you can reach those people.

The guys selling 50-100 of something probably slide under the radar easily with PayPal doing it the old "you get this payment, I get the next." But I can guarantee if you do any real volume you are definitely being looked at.
Especially when it is digital. non-tangible goods all the time.

PayPal is one of those places where you might be looked at for over a year before they lay the hammer down on you when you least expect it. So I try and give them as few reasons as possible to question what I am doing.

So JVZoo for me for instant payments for affiliates.

On products I don't do instant pay (outside WF or the IM circle) Then I use other methods.

MervikHaums

Hey guys,

I've a question for those who are already promoting affiliate products via JVZoo. I tried asking this on their wso thread, but didn't get an answer. Is there a way to find only the wsos released through jvzoo sorted according to the date published? (I think, since Jvzoo can also be used to release products outside WF, the list of products aren't completely warriors special offers, isn't it?) I can't see the release date on their products listing. Any idea?

Mervik

Edit: Found how to list the products according to the date of release. Also, the WSOs are highlighted. No section for wsos alone, i guess.

E. Brian Rose

Yes! And I am happy to say that we just released a very sophisticated blacklist system!

The blacklist system works on three levels.

1. There is the individual vendor level, which allows you to add email addresses of those you want blacklisted.

2. There is the peer level, which allows you to leverage all other vender's blacklist within the JVZoo system. You simply choose the blacklist level that best matches your desired to block serial refunders from your purchases. Example: If you put in a 3 then if anyone tries to purchase your products that has been blacklisted by 3 or more other JVZoo Vendors then they will not be allowed to get to your product either. If you use 5, then 5 other vendors will have to blacklist before you also exclude them from yours.

3. The third level is site level, which is reserved for management. Our system is constantly looking for flags that identify serial refunders. Once identified, we will blacklist those people from purchasing anywhere on the site.

Thanks for all the input!

EDIT: Here is a video that Zim posted about it earlier...

Tim_Carter

Fantastic!

Anyone who doesn't switch over now has rocks in their heads.

By the way - I am earning an average of $35 per day hands off from having my products on JVzoo. Just from affiliates and the marketplace. And I only have a few products on there.

I can't say enough about this system. It is the best affiliate network out there.

alliance

Jason your signature link offer is not working.

michaelmac

Wow...this looks amazing. I will definately have to look into JVZoo in greater detail. Great thread btw!

john b

i've been using jvzoo just about since they opened and been very happy with them.

haven't done a wso with them yet (working on first wso now), so not sure on how that part compares to using warrior plus.

thanks,
john b

john b

what do you mean...give the leads to those two services?

don't like the sound of that

thanks,
john b

Jesus Perez

What he means, is that when you use WarriorPlus, Paygear, Payspree, DigiResults or JVZoo, you're giving away your buyer's name and email to the network in order to have your payment processed. The network can, in turn, market to those buyers. In reality, we do the same thing with Amazon and Clickbank.

Amber Jalink

Does anyone know if JVZoo does subscriptions yet? I looked but couldn't find an answer.

Amber

Raja Kamil

I registered jvzoo last week, look the same servise as Andy Fletcher's, digiresults.com.
everything else was perfect with Andy's until one time, where spammer/scammer attacked it, and made me stop using them anymore.

auto split commission look good, but have drawback, seen it with digiresult where scammer bought my product and ask the refund. make me sick.

jvzoo not popular yet and hopefully they overcome the problem.


btw, I'm big fan of warriorplus, love it as vendor and affiliate.
vendor : like publishing my product in frontnof pottential jv who had large mailing list
affiliate : have lot of awesome product with good sales copy to promotw.

one thing I don't like them is, how commission is paid, right now, my only choice is to promote the 100% commission products.

ddev

JvZoo looks promising but for those who have products that interact with PayPal api (like software that create server side accounts after payment its complete), there's no clear help on how to keep on getting the notifications.

There is a video tutorial that is ok to setup a basic product, but there's still no valuable help on how to deal with IPN integration (at least at the moment of writing this).

Hope they can add more clear info on topics like this as it will simplify migration to many of us.

Jesus Perez

I saw this on the right side of the "Add a Product" page. It looks like external IPN integration.

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/1...01245423pm.png

As for JVZoo requests, I'd like to see an Affiliate Blacklist as well. I just had my conversions drop from 19.8% to 0.89% because an affiliate sent me junk Adf.ly traffic overnight. It'd be nice to ban them for life since they don't have a credible traffic source. That's what I get for not realizing that auto-approval was enabled for a few hours.

E. Brian Rose

Jesus,

That is unfortunate when an affiliate bombards you with bad traffic and lowers your conversion rate. I know, as it has happened to me on various networks. It can happen on any network... but there is a cure.

We are launching a feature next week that will allow sellers to ban affiliates from promoting their products. We are still working out the details, as it is a touchy topic.

The biggest hurdle is when an affiliate pays for traffic or mails his list about a specific product, we do not want the sellers to be able to ban the affiliate and steal the commissions.

We are thinking the best way is to allow a grace period. If a seller bans an affiliate, the affiliate is notified and has 48 hours to stop promoting. After that grace period, his affiliate links are deactivated.

We are certainly open to suggestions for this feature.

igrowyourbiz

a ratings system where affiliates and sellers can rate each other

E. Brian Rose

Are you spying on us? lol That is already in the works.

igrowyourbiz

you might be surprised

Jesus Perez

Thanks for the update, Brian. It's your continued updates and response to the community that have captured my interest in the network.

RichBeck

Fellow Warriors,

I have been an advocate of JVZoo..... I like their business model... They make money when I make money.....

I recently posted a WSO using JVZoo.... There was an issue.... and they promptly resolved it.....

I was especially impressed with Rich at JVZoo... I wrote...
I would highly recommend JVZoo.

God Bless,

Rich

Bryan Zimmerman

Hey Rich,

We got everything squared away. Was good talking with you today.

Ethiccash

I have not posted here for quite a long time, but I guess it's worth it.
I switched to JVZoo a few of my products to test them out. I can't say how positive my experience with JVzoo is compared to all other platforms out there (including WarriorPlus obviously but also Clickbank).

Chris Ramsey summed it quite clearly about the pros of using JVzoo over other platforms.
In a word, JVZOo is a complete business rupture: you get more for less, and they have for sure a sustainable competitive advantage.

Why would any affiliate pay to promote an offer? Why would any seller pay to publish offers? Why would you want to get paid randomly as an affiliate?

I don't get why people are still using W+ since it's like comparing an iPhone4 with a Spectrum ZX81 (for those who are in their late 30s, it's obvious, for the others, just google it :-) )

That's the drawback of operating a monopoly. You stop innovating getting stuck in getting as much money as you can from your forced users. W+ still has the biggest affiliate share, but we need to remember that in the IM field, WSO are only a tiny fraction of a % of sales generated.

Technically there's no need to even publish a WSO once you're in JVZoo. You've got instant access to the affiliates and they have a good daily traffic from browsers. WSO gives a boost since you get noticed quickly. But if you have a good product, a few people in your list to initiate sales, you can then let the ball rolling in JVzoo.

For sure they will grow (provided it does not become a monster where anyone asks for a feature :-) ) and get more top affiliates and vendors. But to me, their main advantage is that they're not tied to WSO forum, and thus they open the whole market to any vendor out there.

JP
PS: Brian, do not implement a grace period to ban affiliates. If an affiliate sends junk traffic and is paying for this, it's his responsibility to be aware of this unless he does not care. If he does not care, we should be able to ban it instantly (nothing to steal since he is not working correctly and not generating sales)

4morereferrals

Never seen a WSO of the day thru either DigiResults run WSO nor a JVZoo run WSO .... have you? Things that make you go ... hrmmmm ....????

With the amount of ca$h being thrown off by WSO+ - cant image all of it is being stuffed into their bank for play $$$ - surely they are looking to innovate again soon?

Paypal adaptive is very very nice on the shiny white surface - for sure, however; the dark under belly of offshore crime in the form of high commission products instant commissions for fake affiliates using stolen paypal account credentials is just too much for the affilaite scammers to resist.

My products on Digiresults [ another great platform for selling ] was getting 10-15 affiliate sign up requests per day - all from yahoo and gmail addresses. All 100% fake scammers looking to use a stolen paypal account or two to scam the instant commissions.

They all have warts. IPN is dead. Adapt and innovate - with protections and be ahead of the scammers and you'll earn the sellers and affiliates trust and business.

Nanacast - they do instant paypal adaptive payments?


Here's an innovative feature request ...

How does a seller roll out of a platform theyve been entrenched in for ages - moving and notfiying thousands of affiliates they now need to change all their aff links.

Sellers needing to recreate 20+ products and variants into a new system ...?

... then to find out once your entrenched and its a PITA to move - the network/platform doubles the trx fees and their take? Now what?

digileaf

Oh Gosh

I'm still confused . I launched my first WSO using WSO Pro, recently and didn't even think about offering the WSO for affiliates to promote as they automatically get signed up to my own affiliate progaram for the full priced version.

I have now realised (steep learning curve with your first WSO), due to requests from customers, that actually Warriors could promote the WSO too - and as it's at a special offer price it's more attractive than the full priced version - which I think is why Warriors are more keen to promote the WSO.

I'm inexperienced in WSO and affiliate dealings, although very experienced in my own field. I was hoping that this thread would help me to decide which program to use for my future WSOs, but I'm more confused than ever now.

JVzoo looks really good and I am tempted, but would I have a better chance of attracting more partners with using WSOPro for my next offering? Spreading the word as far as possible is pretty important to me.

Bryan Zimmerman

I think you might be thinking that Warrior Plus is attached to Warrior Forum and that WF is getting a cut. It's not. Warrior Plus is run by one person who branded the offer that he picks WSO of The Day. Warrior Forum has nothing to do with picking it. Since it's only open to offer run on Warrior Plus, you won't ever see a WSO of the Day being given to an offer run on JVZoo, Digi, Mooshpay or anything else since those are competing systems If it was controled by WF, you don't think Allen would let other systems promote offers in his forum do you?


Which is why JVZoo and Digi all have affiliate interaction processes in place so you can do your due dilligence with who promotes your products. Both allow you to contact the potential affiliate and request information from them should you choose before approving them to promote. JVZoo also shows you sales stats on the affiliates so you can tell right away if they've been around a while and made sales or are brand new before you contact them. As always, safety is partially the responsibility of the vendor to due their due diligence when means are provided to them to do so.

There are also other security measures that are put into place on JVZoo and I'm sure on Digiresults as well. Blacklists, affiliate bans, partial refunds from affiliates, etc.

Same way anyone else changes from one thing to the next when it's deemed better for their business. You pick up and move, let people know your moving and they follow you. The same way affiliates move when they realize they don't have to pay money to promote products, don't have to worry about doing customer support because a buyer got the receipt from them because it was their turn on the rotation. Getting paid on every sale instead of one out of every three which adds up to thousands over the course of the year in money they should have received, etc etc

The amount of sellers that have already done this would surprise you.

I've seen people put up 20 products in an afternoon, when it only takes about 2 minutes to set one up, it can actually go pretty quickly.

That would be pretty stupid on the platforms side to do that. Any platform is there to create business for themselves and when there are more than one option, to pull a stunt like that would certainly mean a loss of customers and a bad most likely viral effect to follow. If it was the only one, I could see that, but if there are options, it's not very smart. My opinion only though

igrowyourbiz

OK so just thought of something SUPER DUPER HELPFUL

country Blocks

on SALES and AFFILIATES

I would love to be able to block

india, russia and africa

95%+ problems with affiliates and refund requests come from those areas.

To just be able to automatically deny them would be great.

Severin

What a truly interesting thread... Thanks to everyone for their input, it is certainly food for thought. But it appears that what you gain with one you lose with the other.

If I had to choose...erm... JVzoo I guess purely for the split payment deal, but I would be forever wondering if I made the right choice, particularly the potential downside of less affiliates and the the power that 'WSO of the day' has.

Perhaps what we need is a WSOPro/ JVzoo lovechild:

RPMillar

Wow. I was so excited to read this thread. I really thought I'd found the answer to my ongoing product launch woes.

But after hours trying to get JVZoo to work all I can manage are server timeouts when I try to edit products and a list of test products with the title "Products below CANNOT be sold!" and no further info on what needs to be done so that they CAN be sold.

Oh well... back to the drawing board, I guess...

RPMillar

The JVZoo server seems to be working at a normal speed today, and my issues were quickly resolved by Rich in support. 2 thumbs up!