igrowyourbiz

Which Is Better for Launching a WSO: JVZoo or Warrior Plus. I say it's...

The one that just PAID FOR MY WSO LISTING FEE!

Yup, I just won a contest where they pay the listing fee ($40) for one WSO per day.

Even if they had not, the fact:
-I don't have to PAY EXTRA for an OTO to be added
-and their site is USER FRIENDLY
-and they have a sales letter page
-THE BEST AFFILIATE TRACKING
-and a bunch of other stuff

Has made me choose JVZOO over WarriorPlus/WSOPRO


Warrior Plus has had a monopoly for a long time. Will they update to a more Web 3.0 standard or just hold onto their existing relationships to stay on top? The top sellers have a good relationship with WSOPRO and they clearly have more affiliates.

JVZOO is brand new and will have some growing pains. But to their advantage NEW WARRIORS with no affinity in either direction join the WF every day - and apples to apples, IMO JVZOO takes the cake...

Who do you think will dominate and why?

tpw

Both leave some to be desired.

I will hold my recommendations until I see one that is more worthy.

Tim_Carter

I say JVZoo.

For the reasons you said plus:

Why should affiliates have to pay to promote something? That is ridiculous.

Plus commissions are truly shared - not one to vendor and one to affiliate. A true instant payment split.

Instant split commissions - but if you refund in the control panel the money is instantly taken from both affiliate and vendor. No mucking about having to ask the affiliate to please refund the money.

Nice professional buttons.

No entry fee. Pay as you go. A nice small transaction fee.

Probably more but I'll stop there as those are my favorites. WSO Pro needs to do some catch up.

igrowyourbiz

TPW - what is the alternative???

TO NOT use SOMETHING seems unwise. What is lacking in your opinion

TIM

Oh yeah - the REFUNDS Module are a huge thing.

Mick Meaney

I'm sticking with WSO Pro for the time being for one reason:

It lets me block refunders from purchasing my products.

If JVzoo had the ability to do this, allowed me to import my existing black list and improved their customer support, I might consider moving.

WSO Pro customer support has always been awesome, and they've always fully answered my questions.

For the moment, myself - and I imagine many other Warriors, have been building black lists with WSO Pro to keep our refund rates low.

I doubt many people serious about refund rates will be willing to give that up. I won't.

officer_iron

I've never tried JVZoo but I'm interested to give it a shot. I definitely would prefer the instant split commissions that JVZoo offers.

Tim_Carter

The JVZoo guys will check this thread and you watch - it will appear. Are you listening Brian et all?

Mick Meaney

I hope it does, the ability to import our black list is an essential feature.

All of my students use WSO Pro, suggesting a second option would be beneficial to them.

LegitIncomes

Could you explain why you consider it an essential feature?

I see why some see it that way, no doubt. But here's my own view on it.

If someone purchases a product (or two) of mine, and then immediately requests a refund, that does not necessarily mean they will purchase another product and refund again. Yes, the chances of that happening are increased, but it's not a given.

Now, let's say it DOES happen, they do purchase again and refund...I haven't lost anything out of pocket from this happening.

Alternatively, let's say they purchase again and do NOT refund. If I had blacklisted them, I would have LOST REVENUE by doing so.

I've sold tens of thousands of products, thousands of customers...and I just don't see the true need for a blacklist.

tpw

It is essential because some people have proven time and again that they are using the Money Back Guarantee to get products for free, then post them to the BH download sites.

Blacklisting these people is essential to reduce piracy of our products.

tpw

Tim: I am not completely happy with Warrior Plus, but I am sticking with it for now.

JV Zoo looks interesting, but it also looks to me like a ghost town. Part of the advantage of these systems is access to the network of affiliates. And I just don't see affiliates rushing to JV Zoo or affiliate performance pushing products listed there into the stratosphere -- yet.

So for now, I would say use Warrior Plus.

I'd like to either see JV Zoo improve itself or another unknown future player bring down the house, so that I will have another provider to choose from.

LegitIncomes

Okay, I see. AND, I see that this could be a feature many would want.

That doesn't change my belief though, that people who would download for free from a BH site, would most likely never purchase your product anyway...thus it's really not costing you any money...no lost revenue.

igrowyourbiz

Legit I am close to your perspective on refunds.

One of the times when I owned a web and graphic design firm in the "real world" back in 1997 I was one of the first (and was the only) one in the country that offered a MONEY BACK GUARANTEE. I put systems in place to protect us, but Money Back Guarantees have ALWAYS been a part of ANY business I do.

Believe it or not, few people use it if you put out quality (and normally my pricing is a barrier to entry for most scammers....they never seem to have a lot of money..hmmm)

But I have had people get refunds on my IM products and then come back and keep a later product.

Out of 1000s of online purchases of an e-product or service, i can count on one hand the number of times I have personally requested a refund. It didn't stop me from doing business with them again, it usually was because it was not as described.

Here is what I WOULD LIKE TO SEE:

A pooled blacklist.

One in which each vendor can add a person to a POOLED blacklist.

This would be easy with JVZoos current system, and prevent someone from falsely adding someone.

This name then goes into a pooled database.

After that, each vendor can select a number of "infractions" of previous refunds to flag as someone to block a purchase.

So ONE or TWO or maybe even 5 are not enough to block purchase...HOWEVER with a pooled blacklist - the real scammers (habitual refunders) would be flagged (without revealing their identity or violating privacy) and blocked automatically. This would then leave the legitimate refunders able to do business.

Since it is API based into paypal, it would have to do deep checks because a real scammer is simply going to use a different paypal email (or maybe even account) if you have them blacklisted.

my 2¢

RichBeck

I agree with LegitIncomes..... You cannot assume they will always refund.........

As for those buying just to put the product on BH forums, I would slow them down by "turning off" their license.... When they try to access it, it will not open....

All the Best,

Rich

igrowyourbiz

real customers do not even know Black Hat sites exist...

people who are cheats are the only one's that go anyway and are never customers - you don't want them as customers anyway

let them steal it, sell it, do whatever...they are stuck in the underground black market and NEVER get away with trying to do business in the real world.

igrowyourbiz

lol at rich - nice segway to your service

tpw

Most people are inherently honest, so I don't worry about "buyers" running to the BH sites to get my stuff.

What I am concerned about is that when someone refunds my products, I have to pay a penalty fee to PayPal for that refund, and I have to pay Amazon for the people downloading my products for free.

Our Amazon bill last month was $310, and most of that was pirated videos being downloaded for free.

The BH'ers are killing our bottom line a few pennies at a time, and en masse, they are doing some serious damage.

If I can stop some of the people pirating my products from advertising the pirated download information, then that will bring a substantial reduction to my financial losses in this process.

The BH'ers are inflicting some serious costs on us, from which we are not being reimbursed by real sales.

As a result, YES absolutely, I do consider blacklisting the bad guys to be an absolute necessity in any selling platform.

igrowyourbiz

Legit I just clicked your banner.

Do you consider your service a competitor to jvzoo and wsopro?

i never heard of it, which makes me wonder how much competition is actually out there, and why we don't have a thread that compares everyone

LegitIncomes

Well . . . since you brought it up I suppose it's okay to respond. Yes I do.

tpw

I know of at least 3 more competitors in this market under development.

RichBeck

Guys,

This makes me wonder..... Why even deal with Paypal? Getting your own merchant account costs around $40 per month... You still pay transactions fees....

But, there are big benefits.... First, you are protected by Federal banking regulations..... No six month freezes on your PayPal account...... Second, when I spoke with Wells Fargo, they said their is no charge for refunds or chargebacks if you just refund them....... If you contest it, it is $25 per refund/chargebacks for their research and resolution......

I am seriously considering switching before my launch in a few weeks...

All the Best,

Rich

LegitIncomes

Because just about everyone uses Paypal.

And for customers, it's a lot easier to just enter a simple email and password to pay, than it is for them to go get their wallet, type in all of their CC info, etc...

Plus, many people treat Paypal like a bank account (even though it's not). I use my Paypal debit card all the time...almost every day (grocery store, gas, etc...).

hustlinsmoke

Okay so same thing, which is better, can you not use both, I am sure both sites have alot of different members.

Would it not be wise to incorporate both into one wso at the same time. Same launch and everything, You just have to check one email to answer questions and support.

tpw

The six-month freeze is dictated by the refund policies of the credit card companies.

With Visa-Mastercard, most card holders have up to 90 days to reverse a transaction. With American Express, the card holder has up to 180 days to reverse the transaction.

I do know an individual in this forum who experienced a AmEx reversal 8-months after the original transaction. They told AmEx that if they reversed that transaction, they would cease doing business with AmEx, and AmEx said they did not care. The vendor had done high 6-figures with AmEx that year.

AmEx said the refund would be processed against their merchant account, and the person who was the vendor in this deal shut down AmEx as a credit card option, as a result.

Having a merchant account will not prevent you from seeing charge-backs, payment reversals, or even closed accounts!

I have added a merchant account to my arsenal, but I don't have any delusions about what additional protections that gives to me.

hustlinsmoke

Yes but they do not freeze your whole account like paypal does. I did paypal and now have a merchant account. I have never been locked up like paypal did.

RichBeck

LegitIncomes,

PayPal seems to be okay for "side money"... But hearing about people have their account locked for six months makes me wonder.... Do I trust this unregulated company with my financial future?

I would not want to be "that guy" who has a legitimate business.... With significant cash in his PayPal account.... Yet, he cannot pay his bills because his PayPal account is frozen....

I know this is a rarity... But, it still does happen....

All the Best,

Rich

hustlinsmoke

Okay, fiverr emailed paypal, this was last year, Told them my and several other micro worker sites were in copyright infringement for using the word gig, which they said they had a trademark on.

They did not have a trademark on that name, they have a pending trademard which will never go through. You can not trademark a word in the dictionary.

None the least, paypal froze us all, for 45 days. Now I do not think this will happen with a merchant account.

tpw

Most of the people getting locked down for 180-days by PayPal are dancing on the dark-side.

When they come to the forum to bitch about it, they are only telling the side of the story that makes them look like victims, rather than to admit their fault in the outcome.

Hint: Selling access to a future webinar is again PayPal's TOS. But if you sell a report and give access to the webinar as a bonus, then you are in good shape.

Others are refusing to send proof of identification to PayPal, then getting locked out until they send proof of ID. You only hear how they were shut down, not their role in the shut down.

Last summer, my partner and I interviewed dozens of people who had been shut down by PayPal, and having seen the back-story of all of those high-profile shut-downs, I am confident in saying that the people who operate above-board have little to worry about.

RichBeck

Not according to Wells Fargo..... The money is there the next day.... Of course, you could always have chargebacks, refund requests, etc....

BUT, you can choose to refund them without penalty.... Unlike PayPal...

Also, these are on a item by item basis... Your entire account is NOT frozen......

Is it worth $40 a month to you....... To never have your entire account frozen, refund without penalty and have transactions under Federal banking regulations? Only you can answer that.....

I am seriously considering it........

All the Best,

Rich

LegitIncomes

That's true...but merchant accounts can be frozen too (maybe not as often??).

I had my Paypal account frozen once...it FREAKED ME OUT.

However, I immediately called them up, and they just wanted to make sure it was me using my debit card, and not someone else...I cleared that up, and they immediately removed the freeze on my account.

igrowyourbiz

rich there is a CHARGEBACK fee if the customer charges back -- whether you contest it or not. What happens is if they ask for a refund and you give it, they wont charge you then and you are refunded MOST of your fees.

If you have an AVS fee or per transaction fee...those fees are still owed. (as a transaction and address verification took place)

The discount rate (the percentage taken from visa/mc known as interchange, plus the ISO merchant and gateway cut) is refunded to you



That is NOT true...in fact times when I use 1shopping cart and offer both cc and paypal I ALWAYS get FAR MORE people using credit card directly than paypal.

Also CC companies have underwriting and risk departments..they will withold portion of your proceeds or even lock an account

THAT is actually a good idea!...giving two diff payment buttons, however, it needs to be on something you have proven or at least already have affiliates for, since adding 5 or 6 buttons is gonna cost on each setup and OTO

RichBeck

LegitIncomes,

The way Wells Fargo explained it... Your merchant account could be "frozen".... So, you could not sell... BUT, your business bank account, where the money is deposited each day, CANNOT be touched..... That is a huge difference.....

All the Best,

Rich

tpw

Like I said, I do already have a merchant account.

But Wells Fargo is not the company who makes the policy regarding charge-backs and reversals.

Wells Fargo in this case is the merchant account service.

Visa-Mastercard-AmEx are the people who work for their customers and not for you.

If the consumer makes an argument for reversal to their credit card company, and the credit card company processes the reversal, then Wells Fargo is obligated to reverse it, unless you want to fight it. Then you can pay the $25 to fight it, but that is no guarantee that you will win.

If your reversal rate is above a certain percentage of transactions or dollars, Wells Fargo as the merchant account service provider has the option and opportunity to close your merchant account, and they often will close your merchant account.

Many merchant account service providers may also require a "rolling reserve" in order to process charge-backs and reversals if they happen. You don't get a choice in whether you have a "rolling reserve" or not, and most of those "rolling reserves" are for 90- or 180-days.



p.s. PayPal uses merchant account services provided by JP Morgan and Wells Fargo.

JP Morgan and Wells Fargo dictate when PayPal must reverse a payment, and they often make the decision on whose accounts will be closed.

The reversal penalty fee that PayPal charges is paid across the board by vendors, to offset the costs that PayPal incurs when it fights a reversal on your behalf. Instead of charging $25 per reversal investigation, they charge smaller fees to those who are getting payments reversed.

RichBeck

I am passing along the information as I received it from a Wells Fargo rep..... It may or may not be accurate.....

It seems like there is no way to "win" in this situation.... You just need to minimize your risk.....

All the Best,

Rich

Ben Gordon

I choose option number 3, creating your own processor via PayPal IPN.

igrowyourbiz

warrior plus is the innovator

came out several years ago. When they did, what they offered was cutting edge.

They have benefited from a monopoly and now boast a ton of affiliates and a name brand

there will be many who just won't leave because of brand loyalty (happens a lot in business)

They haven't done much updating of the system though and there are clearly things that would be very helpful to users if they upgraded.

They have frequent technical/downtime problems, the way they handle affiliate splits is not fair to affiliates, doing oto/jv/refunds is difficult, and newbs have a hard time setting up their account properly.

Even with that said as the most common complaints

WSOPro is still the largest serviceprovider of its kind here on WF.


However we know from history that FIRST to market does not mean you stay on top (by the time Google came out there were already SEVERAL MAJOR search engines, most of which don't exist anymore - like excite, altavista etc), in fact it is usually the opposite (think Friendster - who preceded both Facebook AND Myspace as largest social network)

This is the graphic I found in another thread:



Take it with a grain of salt - it was made by JVZoo!

jkennedy

Haven't used Warrior Plus, but I just love JVZoo. They paid for my WSO as well. Very easy to use and the staff is super friendly. I'm hooked.

Tim_Carter

Yes I have DLGuard and was doing that part. But there is a lot more needed that JVZoo is providing for me. (Affiliate program, integrated oto, dimesales, adaptive payments for commissions etc.)


Maybe at some point I will create a self hosted system but for now rather than re-invent the wheel I am very happy to use JVZoo.

P.Sharma

Wow....I was actually wondering about the same thing because I am doing a launch in a few days. I think I'll put it on JVZoo too.

Very nice discussion here

jphilips

Please share if you can. Competition is healthy in this business. It helps with innovation and allows fresh approaches. I have nothing against established companies and there is much to be said for experience but I think we should all support GOOD competition because it does tend to keep everything a bit more even keeled and honest.

Soren

What a GREAT idea!!!... and actually it got me thinking a second time, before posting my upcoming WSO... I didn't think about "freeloaders" since I usually don't have a problem with refunds because I always overdeliver, and because I haven't targetted the IM market before. Of course they're different, and I can now see why so many WSO owners, gets penalized by PayPal..

Just asking... but if anyone with a "blacklist" would share it with me, I'd really appreciate it. Perhaps I could come up with a script redirecting those ip's to a different website.. I'd certainly try, if someone would provide me with a list.

Oh and regarding this topic, I think JVZoo only seems to lack the pooled blacklist, and perhaps a few more affiliates (which is only natural in the beginning of any network) - other than that, it looks pretty tough to beat imo, even if there're 3 more competitors going live in the near future.

igrowyourbiz

I have often wondered why there is no Universal black list.

I remember before the internet boom, well...back when there was NO world wide web, and then shortly after its inception there were blacklists for bad check writers. In fact there are still a few companies around. Some people can not get checking accounts today because of them.

There is some sort of privacy concern though with cc i believe, not sure and would have to check.

Sid Hale

You asked a question... and then supplied your answer.

Is there a (not so well) hidden agenda, here?
That seems to be much more more pertinent to the question you asked. Any merchant looking to launch a new WSO with the help of affiliates - would be silly to opt for the smaller affiliate base.

Apart from that, I'm curious about the level of fraud experienced, with either service.

I haven't seen any posting regarding this issue specific to JVZoo, but they use Paypal's Adaptive Payments API, and there have been a number of postings with regard to refund issues using that API with other services. WSO Pro does NOT use Adaptive Payments, and does not seem to have the same level of issues (at least not from what I've read here on the WF). Have I missed something?

igrowyourbiz

You seem confused. I did not ask a question. I asked for opinions, then merely provided what my own opinion is on the topic.

Similar to saying, "who is a better president: Bush or Obama. I say it's..."

no "agenda" necessary. Just my perspective.

I have then in many posts backed up my reasons WHY I have formed such an opinion. and if you read all the posts, you will see I have given a very fair comparison and contrasting of both services.

again. no agenda needed.

THAT IS YOUR OPINION. Clearly that is an important feature to you, but these are not merely "affiliate recruiting" tools. Hence the multiple features of both services. There are different elements that are attractive to different people. That is no more pertinent a point than any other point or counterpoint I made.

If that logic was used by everyone (and fortunately it is NOT), then no "small" or "new" service would ever get off the ground.

I was a concert and event promoter for many years. The oddest dynamic I ever noticed was the early crowd. People would come and then say - hey, nobody is here, i will come back when more people are here. Of course they never came back, but the place would later be packed. It got packed not because everyone came at once, nor was it an "event" in an instant, but because people came, and STAYED, as more people came, the event gets packed. This is also why a lot of club owners use a technique called "holding the line" for people just like you. This is also where the concept of "pre-launch" in IM comes from. Some providers have to game the system to show a "crowd" so that guys like you will pay them some attention

My point is, some people like yourself only go if there is a crowd. And they go with the crowd whether it is a good crowd or not. Just so long as the crowd is doing it.

Others, allow things to stand on their own merits, and rather than follow social or crowd dynamics or make decisions based on emotion, they logically look at what is going to be best for their particular situation.

As I said, an apples-to-apples comparison for most people shows JVZ a winner for many reasons.



Thats a great question. We all will probably have to wait until JVZoo reaches critical mass to find out.

Also, there are always 2 sides to the story...so one would be wise to dig deeper into such rumors.

1) is the problem "paypals AP api"? or is it with the coding/backend used to access it?

I know lots of people in the early days of using paypals Instant Payment Notification (IPN) complained about problems...the source was to later be found out as caused by restrictions in the firewall of server or even bandwidth restrictions on small shared accounts.


2) as far as number of issues...well, are we on the same warrior forum? lol - i have seen complaints about wsopro and its uptime and difficulty in getting started since they started...guess we hang on different sides of the yard

3) The fact that WSOP does NOT use adaptive payments is the SELLING POINT that JVZ emphasizes(wise for any competitor to do)

a) affiliates get SCREWED on payments. without the APAPI due the way splits are done.
b) refunds are difficult and costly to the seller because they must first contact the affiliate, and then hope they can and will refund - else they must do it out of their own pocket to protect their brand name.



Yes, you have. 3 somethings off the top of my head.

Overall - JVZ is a more contemporary service, and like any of its kind it is going to do 3 things immediately.

1) JVZ is DISRUPTIVE in the marketplace.
In the long term cause WSOP to improve or die due to increased market share

2) JVZ WILL GROW FAST
it will get (and already is getting) a lot of new business quickly because it is new and contemporary

3) WE ALL WIN.
JVZ will open the eyes of and bring in even more competitors to the marketplace for such services. I have already spoken with 2, helping them beta test their systems before launch.


In the end this means much better service and options for all sellers!

MervikHaums

Hey guys,

Thanks for this very useful discussion.

I've a question. My wsos normally sell over 1000 copies and I know that there are several other marketers who bring good products and sell over 1000 copies every time.

Say the avg price of a product is 10 dollars. Then the total sales would be around 10k dollars. If I'm correct, it says that the fee is a flat 5%. If its true the total fee for such a launch will be 500 dollars. I admit that I'm not fully satisfied with w+. But I'd rather pay 19$ and be with the top affiliate network (at least for the time being) at w+ than paying 500 dollars for a launch.

Am I missing something here?

P.S. I'd definitely join JVZoo to promote some excellent products out there. But about launching my own wsos there, I'm still confused.

Sid Hale

Indeed, both services offer many features that are not specifically geared toward affiliate recruiting. However (and yes, this is my opinion), I think the primary reason for using either service is to recruit affiliates for the promotion of a given WSO.

Sure there are differences that will attract one merchant versus another, but I feel confident in saying that if one is more effective in producing a greater level of sales, and the merchant is aware of that potential, it will (in more cases than not) be the deciding factor.

Today, WSO Pro has that edge.

Established services will almost always carry a competitive edge. That doesn't mean that the newer service is not viable, but they must prove themselves to gain wider acceptance in the marketplace, and they must have the resources to "go the distance".

"guys like me"? I don't think you know me - or anything about me. Certainly not enough to presume what it takes to get my attention. I've followed the marketing activities of both of these services, since their inception.

Again, you show a propensity for making assumptions about what I am like - with apparently no first-hand knowledge of same.

You apparently have your own, very different definition for the word "most".

How so? Simply because they are not paid until their second referral? That 2nd referral sale earns the affiliate the full selling price - immediately bringing them to an equitable payout level.

Considering that this method of payment protects the merchant from a heck of a lot of affiliate fraud, a merchant may in fact prefer this model.

As for the affiliate...
Most affiliate programs still require at least a 2 week delay (usually more) for commission payouts. Would the affiliate who doesn't believe he/she can refer at least 2 sales, even bother promoting?

I've been using the rotating payments for my own affiliate program for over 4 years, and don't find this to be true... at all. I'm also active in chat groups and forums with other merchants who use the rotating commission payments model, and the topic has rarely come up.

I understand, and (to a degree) I agree - but I don't think it's a "done deal". JVZoo isn't the first player to utilize the Adaptive Payments API (although I do think they have a more complete offering than their predecessors), and they may/may not be able to gain sufficient market acceptance to compensate them for the ongoing costs of running the service.

I haven't seen evidence of this quick growth. In fact, it appears that they have had to adjust their original business model a couple of times (in very subtle ways), in an attempt to foster the growth that you seem to think is already there. To their credit... they recognized the need, and made those adjustments.

Yep. Competition is, generally speaking, good.

igrowyourbiz

2 things

1) JVZoo says they have a singular payment option of $17, that would be what you would want to use

2) WSOP charges per item, so if you have a OTO, you pay TWICE....JVZ you do not pay separate for a OTO, it is included.


***
sid hale - I presumed no more about you, than you did of me No point responding to your posts, as it will turn to debate, something I have little time for. Let's just say I fully disagree with you

MervikHaums

Thanks bro

I didn't see that there is an option of $17 one time payment including the OTO the screenshot you've shared just said flat 5%. My bad that I didn't go check the website. Anyways - that makes JVZ a good competitor with more features to w+. I'm thinking of doing a launch there

About the price of W+, there is an option to get unlimited licenses for an one time fee. So I'd not change from w+ for the reason its expensive. But definitely Jvzoo is a great platform with a lot more features than w+. Especially the split payments, full affiliate payments without fee and above all, the free affiliate membership. I'm an affiliate now As soon as JVZ gets a good affiliate network to promote the launches, many marketers would happily launch there wsos there.

Mervik

RichardBravo

"First let me say that I am not associated with JVZoo in any way shape or form other than being a customer."


We just launched our first WSO yesterday, but Ive been in the IM arena for 10 years. We went with JVZoo for a couple of reasons...

1. as an affiliate myself, the rotating commissions & monthly subscription fee to promote offers in W+ were a turnoff. I like getting paid for all of the business I generate. As Im sure everyone else does, so we wanted to make sure our affiliates would be taken care of in that respect.

As for the affiliate fee, it was just one more expense an affiliate would incur that may turn them away. A big part of my business is helping new people get started online and many have dramatically limited capital to work with. Being able to recommend free or very low cost solutions to them is a big part of helping them profit as quickly as possible. JVZoo is a great optin in that respect.

2. The $17 flat fee including the OTO was very attractive as we plan to roll out a lot of offers. Small details, but I saw how this expense would add up quick.

3. A really nice feature they include are secure downloads.
You can store up to 128mb I believe behind their encrypted delivery service. This is a big time saver for simple products where a full blown self hosted membership site for instance is not required. And it will help with pirating as they lock down IPs if they are "sharing" the link.

3. Another small detail, but as a designer I really enjoy the buy button gallery JVZoo provides. Based on a Belcher Button foundation, which as we all know is a proven sales page element, they give me a lot of flexibility for design variables.

4. Overall the system was relatively simple to use once I got it figured out.


There are some drawbacks that I identified right away as well...

1. W+ obviously has a larger existing affiliate base. Im sure JVZoo's base will grow, but it was a concern going in that we just had to make a gut call on. There are some affiliates I'd like to attract that I know are plugged into W+

2. I dont know if there is preference given to W+ offers for WSO of the Day.
Obviously getting this stamp of approval is a big deal, so if there is preference given that's a negative aspect of a JVZoo listing. (note however that JVZoo also has their own Offer of the Day feature)

3. From what I've seen JVZoo does not provide a clear set of instructions or a "manual" that I could find readily available in the dashboard. This would be a really nice touch... a full set of detailed tutorials similar to what you find in OptimizePress.

I did finally come across a few videos in the support site knowledge base, but it wasn't an intuitive place to look. I spent about an hour and a half trying to figure out how to access the button gallery for example. A quick tooltip or something would have been a massive help at that stage.


That's my take so far as a new JVZoo user.


As far as pirating, it's definitely an issue.
One action you can take if you aren't aware of it is to contact the admin for any particular forum and request that your products be added to their DNS list (Do Not Share). It's not 100% effective, but if you get in the DNS list of the big sites at least you can reduce the exposure significantly.

Another crucial piece you need to have in place as a publisher is security. I can't tell you how many WSOs and other products Ive purchased and come to find the download page was nothing more than a index.html file or some other name in a sub folder on the product domain. The product files were wide open... even indexable by engines.

Lock your stuff down, even if you just use something as simple as a WP password protected page that include in your followup email or something. Anything is better than nothing.

But keep in mind, at the end of the day it is what it is and you won't stop it 100%. If someone wants to share your stuff its going to get out there. Make sure you add really calls to action in all your stuff... you never know, the person reading your stuff from a share just might become a fan and wind up buying your stuff someday.

~Richard
.
.

Jason Fladlien

Well here's the rub - doing alternative payments like WSO plus or what Sid's Rapid Action Profits do helps prevent affiliate fraud. BUT I can tell you firsthand it also does put up an undesirable barrier for affiliates.

a) You have to explain to them how it works... (try doing something other than 50%... in a market outside of IM...)
b) You have to have THEM refund an order if it came from them... (we've had to eat these sometime because the affiliate didn't process it....)

The second point is a huge turn off for most decent affiliates. It's NOT the fact they might miss out on one sales commission if it lands on odd. It's that they have to provide customer service for the refund.

On the other hand, adaptive payments is not a bed of roses either. There is more propensity for fraud with AP from an affiliate side as well as a vendor's side.

Neither one is perfect but my opinion is I prefer adaptive payments personally.

I actually don't use either WSO Plus or JVZOO. We use nanacast to take our payments for WSOs. We get on our own affiliate network to promote the wso's through nanacast... and we're happy with it.

True we don't get as many new affiliates as we would with the two above mentioned services. But we also don't give all the leads to those two services either, which in my opinion, is the BIGGEST factor.