SimonHarrison

JJ is releasing a cheapie version of this today with less hand holding, anybody have any comments on it in general ?

Leanne King

Thanks for the heads up. I had auto filed my email so I had to drag it out and actually read it!

Now that is a new shiny IM product that I would like to have but is that a monthly or final price I wonder? No doubt, monthly subscription .....

Anyone know anything more on this?

Leanne

SimonHarrison

No idea Leanne, apparently it's a a few hundred bucks, I'm guessing $300 or so, doesn't seem to be a forced continuity attached to it but I'm sure there's a OTO or two involved.

Might be worth a bash see what he's offering.

Leanne King

$249 for JJ - I've had haircuts that cost more than that! We'll see what the page brings .....

Leanne

SimonHarrison

Cheapest package was about $1,250 or so, the $249 was a monthly payment plan figure for those who didn't want to shell out the $1,250 price.

There's also a $190 a month or so fee after the first 90 days.

Still heard good things about JJ so figured I would give it a bash..

nolachief

give it a bash and let us know how it goes, SImon, i hear good things about JJ and am not adverse to spending money on quality education.it seems to be a little cheaper that an MBA from Harvard!

SimonHarrison

Just watching some of it now, so far so good decent information but the problem is it's another drip feed program and this is like chinese water torture.

Module 1 is a lot of " How does Jeff Think" type stuff, myabe 3-4 hours of it, but then you can't watch module 2 for another 15 days !!. Then it's another 15 days after that before module 3. Then it's even worse you have to wait an entire month per module, the juicy stuff isn't for 3-4 months..

I'll be done with module 1 in a couple of hours, that means a wait of of 14 days, 20 hours until part II. Talk about going off the boil.

I was really looking for something to get my teeth into and run with but this pace is waaay to slow, perhaps one module a week but one a month will drive me mad.

The content is very much blog and social media focussed, I think some of the content is also pretty old, for example links don't work in the PDF's, sites have changed names, some tools are no longer available, it's not been updated.

That's not to say it's not decent content but at $1,500 or whatever I paid, It needs to at least allow me to train at my own pace, and my pace is a lot faster than one module that lasts a few hours every month.

Gonna keep going until Module 2 is available, see what I think, if there's not enough to keep going with It will be my first refund in a long time.

Also despite the discussion on the home page of interaction etc, the forum where Jeff is available doesn't actually allow you to post in it. It's read only... You have to submit a question via the helpdesk then they decide whether it can go in the forum, there's no real interaction at all , not even between students etc, you can't bounce ideas etc.

I'll give it until the first proper module which I get access to in 15 days time, but right now I'm a little underwhelmed, surprised and underwhelmed, I guess I expected more from JJ, I've been impressed with his stuff for some time.

Leanne King

Oh no... JJ may topple from the pedestal I had him on

I didn't sign up... have too much on my little plate at the mo to give it full attention but ....judging from the drip feed comment I would have been peeved...I'm an action gal I just want JJ to tell me what to do, I do it, repeat, repeat ....waiting is not something I do v. well

Leanne

docmatt

Simon, thanks so much for your thorough review - I was also coming close to getting this, and figured I had the guarantee if it didn't work out, but I'm like you, a quick study and fast learner who once the race starts wants all the weights and hindrances off of me- Let me work at my own pace- Your Chinese water torture (is that P.C. to say?) analogy is right on - What are you/we supposed to do for the next 20 days? Talk about a momentum killer- Anyway, I'm sure in this case that Jeff COULD arrange a p*ss off in a local pub, but I'm not biting this time-

Thanks again-

DocMatt

SimonHarrison

You're welcome, I should add that the content, what there is , is solid, and although some is old, it's still current if you know what I mean, Jeff J is one of the few people out there who really does know his ****. If this was all available to read and get on with, I would whole heartedly recommend it, but I can't see me lasting long on this kind of information delivered on a life support basis, it's to painful.

I understand JJ is trying to protect his bottom line here by taking people past the refund period but for me if it's worth while I'll pay for it but this actually forces my hand with a refund, ie increases the refund rate because I'm unlikely to take the risk that it might be ok once I'm out of the refund period.

MaxReferrals

Hmm, here's a novel continuity concept:

Put solid, NEW content up front and a lot of it and overdeliver, and that problem goes way.

Donnie

Thanks for the detailed reviews everyone. I was strongly considering the Diamond Level at $1997, as I have a 6 week break coming up. Six weeks won't do much good if I have to wait severeal months to go thru all the modules.

Anyone know of a "lower profile" coaching program that is light years ahead of the competition ?

Amanda_Davis

Interesting info, thanks

For some reason I never "got" Jeff Johnson. His stuff has never appealed.

It does annoy me when people charge so much for a product and then don't let you consume it how you'd like... i.e. you're stuck on their arbitrary schedule or can only stream videos not download them.

Amanda_Davis

I think Formula 5 has got the right idea... streaming videos AND downloads that you can also put on iPods/iPhone etc.

SimonHarrison

I hear you , I've had to go back a few times in a video for a "say what now" moment..

He could also seriously do with going back and looking at his entire program module by module, there are a number of broken links, sites that are not what he says they are, sites that don't even exist, examples that don't relate to the videos/text etc etc.

In addition you have videos talking about content that simply isn't there or is actually in modules you don't have access to and so forth, as if stuff was spliced together and seperated into modules after the event without double checking the side effects it would cause.

Again, I have to say I actually like his methods, I absolutely agree with them for the most part but the way it's delivered is cumbersome and needs tidying up considerably.

Whether it's worth $1000+ or not is debatable, I'm still on the fence on that.

SimonHarrison

Agreed, and the information is highly usable. I'm going to try and implement some in the next few days I have a high PR domain name with 1000 + daily uniques which I keep meaning to capitilise on , it's basically sat doing nothing, earning nothing, I'm going to set up his system on it and see how it goes.

SimonHarrison

BTW, anybody figured out what the extra $200 per month is for on top of the $1250.00 paid for it ?

Hopefully not for the forum...

Donnie

How'd it go Simon ? JJ is re-opening today.

SimonHarrison

HI Donnie,

In the end I found much of what Jeff was saying elsewhere, in addition he charges an extra $200+ a month for access to the site, there simply wasn't enough content to make it worthwhile, not close, not for me anyway.

Decent enough product but bascically just blogs on steroid stuff.

Donnie

Hello Simon,

Thanks for your in depth reviews and opinions.
I want to let you know that I appreciate it very
much.

clos

Has anyone here in the WF found success with the Jeff Johnson program? Seems like he has a lot of great videos and info but I would like to see a real success story from a 3rd party site. Thanks

TelegramSam

Lots of good stuff.

Not as glitzy and snazzy as some of the other guru's content. But that may not be a bad thing though. Also sometimes he can talk for hours without getting to the important nitty gritty details.

What does irritate me about him immensely is his constant references such as "I get one of my guys to do that", or "my team just knocks them out real quick" or "I'll get one of my boys to sort that out", or "that's not a problem because my team handles all of that".

He is labouring the point that he has people working for him and he is the big cheese and the big boss etc...

Apart from this form of arrogance which annoys me for some reason, he seems ok.

LightningYang

Great comments! Really helps me to re-think my decisions with JJ Training. Jeff does know his stuff and proves it... but when it comes to teaching it it might not be as catered to his audience as we would like. Gotta rethink my tools.


Lightning

tdj

Glad to see a real review. I was thinking about jumping on, but decided not to. If you pay that kind of money, you should get the whole program when you want it. I would refund for that reason alone. I was interested in the software he uses but I think that is only available if you remain a member at $500/mo. I believe the sales letter stated that you would get direct access to Jeff in the forum for help. No Jeff? I don't think his system is anything new, he just uses powerful software and outsourcing to get it done. Gotta have the money to do that.

Todd

daneault23

I almost bought it, but I'll think I'll wait for a bit and come up with my decision a little later.

Jay Es

i participated in his UTL last summer and went thru the first 7 modules. it cost me $999+ $149 a month or $1150 for that.

there was almost 44 hours of video and nearly 22 hours of audio

and almost 2500 pages of content.

oh, and 121 step by step process sheets.

Jeff is very direct and to the point. he isn't wishy-washy. he really applies this stuff and you can take it and use it immediately. very practical and very actionable.

if you follow his structured approach you will definitely get more traffic. and that is his focus - getting more traffic...

Jay Es

just saw one listed on ebay in fact.

Kenneth L

I remember his "segment" in Traffic Secrets 1.

I never really saw the big deal about it. Gaming the search engines just isn't a long term business model.

It's no accident that he came around to selling his own products and building his own customer lists. That's where the long-term wealth is.

Once again it is a case of,

Do what they do, not what they say.

Kenneth

Jay Es

it's misleading or inaccurate to describe his teachings as "gaming" the search engines. in fact he says very clearly "do not use these techniques to spam the search engines!"

Underground Training Lab is about understanding how they work and how to use them effectively.

If you have all the free traffic you can handle and don't need any more, then you don't need this product.

However, if you're like most of us and you want to learn how to get more free traffic and not be paying oodles of money to google for adwords, then it might be for you.

Jeff has a smart and conservative approach of using traffic to generate affiliate sales. once you can make that work, then you can move on to info product development. (as opposed to many people that burn out trying to create their own product and get no return off of many months effort).

he has smart tips for generating traffic and shows really clear actual examples.

yes, he sells his own products but jeff says that he makes millions as a super affiliate...

all of us need traffic FIRST to make our businesses work. Lots of people are out there selling products on how to make your own info products...and that's fine once you have learned how to generate traffic and so on...

not many people have seen the listing on ebay yet. surprising how low it is today.

etreet

i am wondering if everybody learn this UTL,it s Not gonna be a secret and powerful tool, if everybody can rank their blog in top 10, this is logically Impossible! this coaching program will become useless. i never beleive the program which sell to thousands of publics!

TelegramSam

I know what you are saying.

But don't forget 80% of people will do nothing and for the 20% of people that do, there are thousands of niches etc.

BrandonLee

I signed up the other day under Jeff Walkers affiliate, mostly because I owe Jeff big time and if there is any way I can continue to shovel money his way I will However, going through the course, I think it's decent. The first module is beginners type stuff and I personally did not learn a ton from it, but it was enough to certainly be worth the $199 or whatever it is that I paid for this month.
Like some others here I wish you could download it and not have to just watch it as a streaming video, and i wish they did more then 1 module per month...but I also understand totally why he is doing it the way he is.

Brandon

zacsmith

I joined Jeff's program earlier in the year and stuck it out for a few months, then bailed. However, the first four modules I worked through (and downloaded) were extremely helpful. The blog software works well in optimizing a WP blog, and his various traffic techniques have helped generate some traffic to new blogs I've launched. Admittedly, my full-time work limits my hours, but I have genuinely learned from the modules.

However, my deal was $1500 over six months, which would have gotten me through all the modules, plus, after three months, $197 per month. I judged that to be too pricey to go forward.

You do have "access" to Jeff, through posting support tickets. They hold the tickets and Jeff answers similar ones in one post. Other technical issues are answered by "his guys", and are pretty good, if not abundant.

The best thing is the conference calls Jeff hosts, in which you can call and ask questions directly. Very useful -- but not $200 worth.

Essentially, If you're completely new to making money through monetized blogs and want a fairly complete step-by-step bunch of tutorials and some support, and can afford it, Jeff has good information.

I would not join again, but feel I got my money's worth for the months I was a member.

gary

malcasid

VERY TRUE.

JMSD

Hi

I'm not new to IM but had heard so much about JJ that decided to go for it when UTL went live recently, particularly as the promise of "free traffic" was on the menu.

I have to say that I'm less than impressed although I have picked up one or two useful information about which I knew nothing before but at $199/m, I think it's a tad pricey an exchange.

I had hoped to see the course through at least until module 2 or even 3 but Module 1 is already driving me crazy because the videos seem to me to be "patch and mix" from previous programs and there's a lot of repetition or overlap.

And even more frustrating is the fact that the videos do not load quickly and I've had to wait several hours to watch just 11 minutes of video.

Furthermore, the step-by-step approach I was expecting is not there, so far as I can see. JJ keeps referring to these as being "all there for you" but later one discovers that these are on DVDs that he's made available to his high ticket clients but without those instructional videos made available to his UTL members, also, where he "walks [clients] through the steps), I don't see how it would be any good to anyone who has no previous experience of putting a blog together and adding the widgets and plug-ins, never mind the more advanced stuff like RSS and data feeds.

I don't mind having useful tools mentioned (I can opt to purchase it or not) but his plugs for his products are overdone and as already mentioned, anyone could have 250 blogs put up in an heartbeat if they, too, had staff at their command.

What would be useful is to be shown HOW to do what he talks about but most of the time his videos are about his "philosophy" and not about the practicalities of getting the job done.

I'm going to wait a day or two to see if things improve - I have a few more videos to watch. If not, then I'm just not going to stick around because time's too valuable to waste waiting and when one pays as much as $199/m, I for one expect a much faster, slicker, content-rich and practical course than is on offer, at present, and one that I can follow at my own pace rather than being given a drip-feed which I find very painful.

I have no doubt JJ deserves the reputation he's built up (no doubt through his one-to-one and high-ticket coaching programs) but his more affordable UTL makes me think I could spend the same money more productively elsewhere - PPC advertising, perhaps?

JMSD